Taken from the news and reference thread. https://www.faa.gov/news/media/attachments/19_035n-R3-8-3-20.pdf How difficult will it be to make these changes to the aircraft already constructed. How difficult will it be to make these changes to aircraft which are under construction. How difficult will ...Jump to post
Independent review of Boeing's Starliner complete, with a total of 80 recommendations: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-and-boeing-complete-orbital-flight-test-reviews/ 21 of these recommendations pertain to improving testing and ground simulations, including the notable addition of an end-to-end ...Jump to post
So why did they not cancel the A321LR order? Doesn;t matter... i hope Airbus aint takin a check from them! Bouncy bounce bounce bounce! Give it time. Right now they had an excuse for both the MAX and the 787-9: * MAX Delays / Certification / Grounding * 789 RR Engine problems, causing Manintenance ...Jump to post
kjeld0d wrote:keesje wrote:KLM & Qantas grounded their 744 fleets this week. 744 passengers operations are coming to an end quickly.
Which types did 9/11 effectively end in terms of passenger service? I count 747 classic, 727, dc-10, md-11, what else?
Sokes wrote:I will never understand how an airline (or at least flag carrier) can have only one type.
Do they intend to switch A220-300 for A220-100?
Now, remember that 737 MAX RTS has been "right around the corner" since May 2019. Since then, the program has been set back by * Public scrutiny towards the FAA and Boeing, bringing an end to "self-certification" * New demands from the FAA - documentation and procedures must be r...Jump to post
on Sky News in the UK today they mentioned that there is talk of the Norwegian Government nationalizing Norwegian. Does anyone know more? Is it seriously being considered? No chance in Hell. This is as far fetched as if the Tories in UK would nationalize RyanAir - an Irish company. :shakehead: Norw...Jump to post
After just over 20 years with SAS, LN-RNO, is returned to the lessor and sent for scrap. 22 737-700 left in the SAS fleet, with 1 stored Boeing 737 -783 28316 476 LN-RNO SAS ferried 09mar20 OSL-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex OY-KKR Do you know how many 737-700s that will exit this year?Jump to post
In these contracts, when can Airlines walk away from it, cancel and demand the full amount of their pre-payments back? How long can Boeing put them on hold?Jump to post
Apparently NASA has 61 items for Boeing to address: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/nasa-finds-61-corrective-actions-for-boeings-starliner-spacecraft.html Also Boeing has set aside/took a charge of $410M to cover a potential second full-up test launch if required. Tugg How the mighty have fallen! W...Jump to post
Can the COVID-19 kill the 737 MAX production ? The scenario is a such major airlines collapsing that annihilate so much orders than the Airbus capacity to deliver the A32x neo obliterate the production of additional 737 MAX. The risk is probably very low now as to happens the remaining orders need ...Jump to post
I haven't seen this link posted upthread, and I have to wonder if this is the direct reason for Boeing taking a step back; it is too late anyway: https://www.anna.aero/2019/12/04/united-airlines-orders-50-a321xlrs-to-replace-757s-to-europe/ So I think Boeing have now conceded that ~80% of the Replac...Jump to post
2019: AA sues DL over the term “Flagship”
2020: AA sues UA over the term “Premium” (as in “Premium Economy”)
2021: AA sues DL over the term “Business” (as in Business Class)
2022: AA sues WN over the term “Economy”
2023: Anonymous Alcoholics sues American Airlines over the abbreviation AA.
Can someone tell me why the MAX was a bad idea? I mean to me it makes perfect sense for them to developed it. It was a bad idea because it's totally outdated design , it looks absurd and has misfitting parts like engines. It was just a financial short term decision and a purported cash grab at the ...Jump to post
What other purpose does a company have than to please the shareholders? I have seen this argument so many times and it is just pure, unadulterated BS. Does anyone for a second think that William Edward Boeing one day woke up and said: "I had a vision! I was surrounded by shareholders who deman...Jump to post
lightsaber wrote:Ok, for a 767MAX to compete:
1. Electrical subsystems, saves about 3% in fuel
2. Updated cockpit. The 764 is fine, there is better
lightsaber wrote:3. Updated wing tip treatment
Would a 777-8 freighter have a significant performance gain over a 777-200 freighter? Would there be an increase in range or payload worth mentioning?
Also, over a 3000nm distance (common for freight?) would the fuel saving be significant?
Should Boeing just scrap the 777-8 altogether?
Should we really count the E-190 E2? The plane entered service with WF months ago. I thought “new“ in this context means “not yet certified”.Jump to post
Impartiality Rules? In Britain? That’s laughable! BBC had a 95 - 5 ratio in airtime negative to Brexit vs pro Brexit prior to the referendum. How is that abiding by “impartiality rules”? That's laughable. But feel free to post some analysis to support your 95-5% bias claim. :scratchchin: Both sides...Jump to post
Impartiality Rules? In Britain? That’s laughable! BBC had a 95 - 5 ratio in airtime negative to Brexit vs pro Brexit prior to the referendum. How is that abiding by “impartiality rules”?Jump to post
Boeing pays out to relatives of Crash Victims: https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-07-03-Boeing-Pledges-Support-to-Families-Communities-Affected-by-Lion-Air-Flight-610-and-Ethiopian-Airlines-Flight-302-Accidents At least Boeing seems now to have moved on from the stance that "we hold no blame&quo...Jump to post
The FAA is responsible for certification of aircraft, whether they pass some responsibility to the company or not. The buck stops with them. It's not only possible, its probable there is an issue within the FAA. There has been massive turnover at all levels of the FAA in recent years. I have to dis...Jump to post
And what will be the differnce between an STOL ATR 42 and a standard ATR 42? Any technical details already available? Well the S will need just 2600ft to take off so Well yes, but how will they achieve this? More powerful engines? Rockets à la Hercules? Rubber band? Just asking... Yes, they will us...Jump to post
[ I'm 100% sure the Boeing engineers could build a best plane in the world. Those guys went to the moon already 40 years ago. The problem is that the flying public expects to fly on a dime. No wonder planes crash. That's what you get with this money. "Boeing" did not go to the Moon 40 yea...Jump to post
The American Airline pilot union is blaming Boeing for the second crash: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/23/business/american-airlines-boeing-pilots-union/index.html Shame they don't follow this thread. Then they would have learned that it's all about those 3rd world pilots and their lack of traini...Jump to post
Ertro wrote:What about a theory that the lack of observed warnings seen on a display device that pilots thought was present could send a false negative indication convincing people that there are no problems with the AoA related systems.
Does anyone have a current estimate of how much the grounding has cost Boeing so far? I would like to compare those numbers to how much it would have cost Boeing in penalties, had they designed MCAS v2 from the Get-Go, plus included AOA disagree for every plane with no extra 100K fee for this "...Jump to post
Yet that's not how things work for any aircraft currently in service. It's clear the A320 is much more automated than the 737 is, yet even it is "certified with the system and pilot working together" and Airbus does not take on the burden of determining if the pilots are trained to the po...Jump to post
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/how-much-was-pilot-error-a-factor-in-the-boeing-737-max-crashes/ The lead Republican on the US House Committee, relying on a study essentially financed by Boeing stockholders, announces just about all the problems were with poor pilots, as oppo...Jump to post
And doesn't make any sense, especially because the FAA doesn't appear to require any sim training for MCAS 2.0 -- see discussion going on around near the end of previous page. There is no good way to explain away the botched MCAS 1.0. Either: - Boeing engineers did not interpret the regulations pro...Jump to post
International regulators & airlines will not easily let B off the hook from sim training to re-certification etc. They, except the FAA, can now rightfully say they were lied to by B. If they let Max fly again without very tough conditions & it crashes again, they can rightfully be accused o...Jump to post
So according to your maths the blame should be 99% Boeing, 0.9 % Airlines, 0.1 % pilots or your maths are just an other attempt to exonerate Boeing? I wish People would stop assuming I find Boeing blameless. My Whole Agenda has been to point out that the training system has been sorely lacking and ...Jump to post
Today's news puts Boeing in a very bad position. They knew months before the Lion Air crash of the warning light malfunction and decided that since it could be fixed in the next software update they would just wait. They did not notify airlines or government agencies. They have serious legal risk n...Jump to post
Wikipedia: "The E195-E2 (EMB 190-400) will be extended by three seat rows from the E195 by 2.85 m (9.4 ft), and will accommodate up to 146 seats." Sounds like an ideal 737-700 replacement to me. 146 seats = 3 cabin crew, very similar to 73G capacity. SAS has their "all-Y" 737-700...Jump to post
I am sure the Max will be flying again, and with the FAA / EASA joint requirement for Simulator training for MAX transition, MCAS v2 update etc., I am confident in the end it will be safe for us, the flying public.(I am still a little curious/worried about the reconfig of cutoff-swithces from NG to ...Jump to post
If you want to worry about something - worry about the Engines on MAX and NEO - the failure rates on both are way higher than they should be - a loss of two of them on one flight is not inconceivable and with the demonstrated lack of airmanship in newly trained crews worldwide I would not be that c...Jump to post
Why is it arrogant? That implies the crew did something wrong. ("Because the other crew managed to save plane in the same situation"). Not arrogant, factual. The ET crew did do something wrong. They did not follow the procedure outlined in the EAD. They moved the trim switches to cutout b...Jump to post
According to a Canadian Press article being carried on CTVnews.ca, Canadian Transport Minister Marc Garneau says any airline operating MAX8 into Canadian airspace will be required to include simulator training. If true, this confirms earlier WSJ reporting of a possible break with the FAA, and possi...Jump to post
Thank God they have BER ready to take over...Jump to post
I think we need to regroup a min here. As far was we know.....MCAS was “working properly”—by that it was doing what it was designed to do. No matter how poorly designed the facts as we have them tell us it was working within its design parameters. We apparently have an IAS / one or more multiple se...Jump to post
Question about MCAS circuit and the electric stab trim thumb switches. Are they on separate circuits? That is, if you power off MCAS, does that also make the thumb switches inoperable? And for the manual trim wheel, how much force is needed to move them at the velocity this airplane may have been t...Jump to post
1) Why did they not reduce thrust? Would a reduction in thrust not initially result in a further pitch down moment on the aircraft as this is effectively a rear wards change in thrust below the centre of lift? Kind of in the opposite sense of direction of increasing thrust last when performing a st...Jump to post
maint123 wrote:Only way to salvage the MAX is that Boeings test pilots should replicate the AOA error on a real airborne plane, say at a height of 1000 ft. Let MCAS do its nose down job and the expert pilots can recover it without electric trim.
Manual/training/checklist changes are a given. I doubt that Boeing are seeing them as "a given". Boeing will be robustly resisting any such changes as it likely negates a major one of their MAX selling points - minimal differences training with zero sim time. That boat has sailed, in my o...Jump to post