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by DeltaMD95
Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The first Airbus A320 to break the 30-year in service mark
Replies: 203
Views: 76192

Re: A first Airbus A320 broke through the 30-year into service mark

(by all means do some research of your own) So... not so many early-build MD-80s made it to 25 with their original operator either. What was your point exactly? :rotfl: Or we could simply accept that this is a great milestone for Airbus. It’s a great milestone for Airbus. But barking up the MD-80 t...

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by DeltaMD95
Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?
Replies: 136
Views: 19130

Re: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?

If you know the inside story with AA & DL, do tell. Otherwise all of those options are possible. Overall I believe airlines tend to play the longer game. But there are also exceptions. So rushing into a fast deal with MD, instead of waiting to see if the A340 lived up to expectations, could eas...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?
Replies: 136
Views: 19130

Re: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?

Another curiosity is that the MD-11 order book was closed even before the final frames were started, Boeing slammed the door firmly shut on any possible late orders. I Whereas Airbus kept the door open as long as possible, praying for more orders, even though there were none. IIRC the final deliver...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?
Replies: 136
Views: 19130

Re: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?

The reason is simple. It’s because the MD-11 was offered for only 7 years after EIS (1991-98) and the A340 was offered for 28 years after EIS (1993-2011). Also add European nationalism that guaranteed the A340 orders from the likes of LH, AF, IB, etc. Despite a production run that was twice as long...

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:08 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: NW DC-10-40 vs DC-10-30
Replies: 64
Views: 7278

Re: NW DC-10-40 vs DC-10-30

Did NW at any time operate the few late build -30ERs on select “longer” DC-10 runs? Presumably, even if the trim tank was removed, the higher MGTOW would have still been an advantage over an ex-Swissair from 1973, per se. N226NW comes to mind, ironically an ex-Swissair from 1980. Flew PDX-NRT in th...

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?
Replies: 136
Views: 19130

Re: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?

Yes Im aware of that, but was the a340 somehow "lighter" despite having 4 engines instead of being a Trijet? By about 11 tons, yes. I have to say that SQ is what really swung the pendulum in favor of the A340, especially the A343, for which 218 frames were delivered. The MD11 could not pe...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:18 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: NW DC-10-40 vs DC-10-30
Replies: 64
Views: 7278

Re: NW DC-10-40 vs DC-10-30

Did NW at any time operate the few late build -30ERs on select “longer” DC-10 runs? Presumably, even if the trim tank was removed, the higher MGTOW would have still been an advantage over an ex-Swissair from 1973, per se.

On the topic, what was the longest TATL NW DC-10 route operated?

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?
Replies: 136
Views: 19130

Re: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?

The reason is simple. It’s because the MD-11 was offered for only 7 years after EIS (1991-98) and the A340 was offered for 28 years after EIS (1993-2011). Also add European nationalism that guaranteed the A340 orders from the likes of LH, AF, IB, etc. Despite a production run that was twice as long,...

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by DeltaMD95
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

I am surprised Delta only ordered 16 brand new MD-90s in 1995. That seems like such a small order for such a large airline. The original order was for 50 plus another 110 options. I think DL canceled the rest after the Boeing-McDonnell Douglas merger and decided to go with the 737-800 instead. The ...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:20 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: IF Northwest Airlines Survived
Replies: 10
Views: 1388

Re: IF Northwest Airlines Survived

Air Tran still would have been swallowed up by SWA, and therefore 88 717’s would still become available on the secondhand market with attractive terms. I could easily see these being acquired by NWA and sporting the red tail. Assuming Delta would have less of a need for them without the merger. NWA ...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:00 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Could the MD-11 have gone nearer to the 300 frames target?
Replies: 7
Views: 497

Re: Could the MD-11 have gone nearer to the 300 frames target?

EVA Air Q4 1997 order to continue building its fleet: https://boeing.mediaroom.com/1997-11-24-EVA-Air-Continues-Expansion-of-Boeing-MD-11-Freighter-Fleet Keep in mind, with the DOJ approval of the Boeing/McDD merger in 08/1997, the MD-11 effectively became dead man walking. But if even marginal prod...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:45 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Could the MD-11 have gone nearer to the 300 frames target?
Replies: 7
Views: 497

Re: Could the MD-11 have gone nearer to the 300 frames target?

I believe this is the final MD-11 order Boeing management allowed before removing the trijet from their catalog in order to sell more 744Fs. In fact, this release is dated fourth months after Boeing initially announced they would terminate production (May, 1998). https://boeing.mediaroom.com/1998-09...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:59 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Could the MD-11 have gone nearer to the 300 frames target?
Replies: 7
Views: 497

Re: Could the MD-11 have gone nearer to the 300 frames target?

With the Boeing merger? Probably closer to 250. The MD-11 production was capped by Boeing, even though several carriers were vocal about wanting further orders. Namely Lufthansa, Fed Ex, and Eva Air. Between them, and World Airways and City Bird topping with another 5-10 orders. Delta, Swissair, Var...

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by DeltaMD95
Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:41 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which plane is more of an underdog- L1011 or MD-11?
Replies: 7
Views: 792

Re: Which plane is more of an underdog- L1011 or MD-11?

The MD-11, because it is on pace to outlast the L-1011 service life by at least 10 years, even though the type had 20% fewer total frames built. Further, the MD-11 production was capped by Boeing, even though several carriers were vocal about wanting further orders. Namely Lufthansa, Fed Ex, and Eva...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:11 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: How come even after all the 777Fs coming off the line, MD-11Fs are still going strong?
Replies: 58
Views: 12156

Re: How come even after all the 777Fs coming off the line, MD-11Fs are still going strong?

For all the MD-11 hate that is well documented on the history of this website, it’s longevity cannot be taken away. In fact, it will likely be the final LGB design to operating in the western world. Having already outlasted the younger MD-90, and probably 717, in the future. What is the side-by-sid...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 2963
Views: 536541

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

ORD-SFO also sees the 763ER. Not really. Ever since the 763s didn't havethe domestic configuration anymore, they have not been flying into SFO except for planes going to maintenance and the occasional equipment subs. I believe the lone exception to that was back when the SFO-CDG flight first starte...

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by DeltaMD95
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 779
Views: 143047

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

Don't you think Boeing are done, messing with +40 year old airliner designs, to revamp outdated technology? The track record isn't exactly stellar. Meet the 50 year old F-15, sure it isn't any thing like the original but neither is the 737. Of course, the big difference with the F-15 is that it was...

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by DeltaMD95
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 2963
Views: 536541

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

ORD-SFO also sees the 763ER.

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by DeltaMD95
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:15 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: How come even after all the 777Fs coming off the line, MD-11Fs are still going strong?
Replies: 58
Views: 12156

Re: How come even after all the 777Fs coming off the line, MD-11Fs are still going strong?

For all the MD-11 hate that is well documented on the history of this website, it’s longevity cannot be taken away. In fact, it will likely be the final LGB design to operating in the western world. Having already outlasted the younger MD-90, and probably 717, in the future. What is the side-by-side...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 316
Views: 56503

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Has the 763ER ORD-DTW tag-on (for cargo purposes) as part of DTW-LHR (if I’m not mistaken), already been discontinued? I was looking to book this rare short haul domestic widebody, but can no longer seem to find it in the schedule.

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:40 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: NW DC-10-40 vs DC-10-30
Replies: 64
Views: 7278

Re: NW DC-10-40 vs DC-10-30

Given the historical fleet strategy and that NW continued to acquire select late-build -30s as late as mid 2000, would more second hand acquisitions occurred if 9/11 never happened? Yes, with the acquisition of the first DC10-30, NWA discovered the big difference between a JT9D-20(J) powered DC10-4...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:27 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: NW DC-10-40 vs DC-10-30
Replies: 64
Views: 7278

Re: NW DC-10-40 vs DC-10-30

Given the historical fleet strategy and that NW continued to acquire select late-build -30s as late as mid 2000, would more second hand acquisitions occurred if 9/11 never happened?

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:47 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Former Delta 717 West Coast Routes
Replies: 12
Views: 1264

Re: Former Delta 717 West Coast Routes

Newark727 wrote:
They very briefly operated SLC-LGB - just a matter of days or weeks. Flight number was DL 2006.


Interesting. A nod to when the final pax T-tail (and 717) was built at LGB, or just a coincidence?

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TWA in 1997...
Replies: 54
Views: 8912

Re: TWA in 1997...

I still wish TWA had been able to place the rumored MD-11 order and replace the 747s prior to flight 800. The MD-11 needed new orders, and TWA needed aging early build widebody replacements. Maybe then, without the 800 disaster, they would have been able to stave off bankruptcy and merge with a smal...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:04 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: In your opinion, what are the most important planes for Delta?
Replies: 8
Views: 767

Re: In your opinion, what are the most important planes for Delta?

Yes, the 727 had an important role at Delta too. But it’s role diminished substantially in the late ‘90s, with a critical mass in fleet size closer to 20-25 years straight of continuous service as a main workhorse vs. the 30 years of large 752 and MD-88 fleets that dominated operations up until very...

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by DeltaMD95
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:25 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: In your opinion, what are the most important planes for Delta?
Replies: 8
Views: 767

Re: In your opinion, what are the most important planes for Delta?

MD-88 and 757-200 were dual workhorses that combined to form the backbone of the domestic fleet operation together for 30+ years.

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:40 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Republic MD-82 initial routes?
Replies: 5
Views: 1491

Re: Republic MD-82 initial routes?

With Republic being one of the first US domestic MD-80 operators with their early order (PSA and Hawaiian being the other two), one could argue the relatively long/thin 4 hr mid-con operation (Ala MSP-LAX/SFO) were ahead of their time in 1982.

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:19 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United DC-10's
Replies: 111
Views: 15505

Re: United DC-10's

United’s last DC-10-10 delivery, N1848U, was a -10CF for the civil reserve air fleet (CRAF) Indeed, and their last DC-10 to join the fleet was N1849U in March 1989 coming from DL. UA, contrary to the other large customer for the type (AA) only added that single second-hand series 10. 1145073,208083...

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by DeltaMD95
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:01 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: DL Portland Asia hub in the 1980's
Replies: 34
Views: 3358

Re: DL Portland Asia hub in the 1980's

because their MD-11 couldn't reach ATL-NRT non-stop. ...except that DL flew nonstop ATL-NRT with MD11s for years on end. Maybe so. But didn’t the MD-11 range increase post-delivery due to McDoDo PIP’s? Could the pre-PIP MD-11 make ATL-NRT? DL received about half of their MD-11 deliveries between 19...

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by DeltaMD95
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:29 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United DC-10's
Replies: 111
Views: 15505

Re: United DC-10's

I flew ORD-SEA-ORD on two UA DC-10-30CFs in the summer on 1995. Believe it or not, these aircraft did not have PSUs above the seat.

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

My first MD-80 flight was in 1993 on an AA MD-82 from ORD-RDU. Ironically, also my last AA Super 80 round trip in Dec 2018, just before ORD was discontinued. There were some 60 legs in between on AA MD-80s. But my first DL MD-88 was not until 2010 on NAS-ATL. The DL MD-88s were a nice contrast from ...

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by DeltaMD95
Wed May 20, 2020 6:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 316
Views: 56503

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

In my quest to find one last affordable MD-88 flight, I stumbled across DL1066 on delta.com, which indicates 767-300 on DTW-ORD, beginning 5/24. This is an evening departure, with the return leg by the 763 the following morning to DTW on DL1116. The 763 operates these flights for the foreseeable fut...

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

That’s goods news. A few days ago it was only 2 routes out of ATL for the MD90, IIRC. At this point, we’ll take any win we can get.

Appreciate everyone’s contribution taking the time to report on service activity and retirements. Checking this daily now.

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

For a subfleet of 10, and many of the planes parked previously destined for 2022, it should not be impossible to fathom that a handful could be reactivated to allow for proper economies of scale. If the economic trend nosed up a little, as the curve shifts. Particularly if many of the aircraft rema...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

For a subfleet of 10, and many of the planes parked previously destined for 2022, it should not be impossible to fathom that a handful could be reactivated to allow for proper economies of scale. If the economic trend nosed up a little, as the curve shifts. Particularly if many of the aircraft remai...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

My first MD-90 flights were in the summer of 2007, ORD-SLC-ORD. They had the drop-down LCDs, which I had never seen on a Douglas. I remember thinking at the time that with the whispers of a pending recession and only 16 frames, that I better get one ASAP because surely the fleet was on borrowed time...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

yyz717 wrote:
The current 7x daily ATL-YYZ M88 service will switch to 7x daily A320 service on Mon June 8.


Thank you for sharing this detail. I was curious how long this route would last.

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:25 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: tail cones on MD-80s
Replies: 21
Views: 5634

Re: tail cones on MD-80s

I believe the change occurred in January of 1988.

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020
Replies: 179
Views: 33317

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020

Now that we’re in 2020, is it looking more likely or less likely that the 717s will be equipped with AVOD?

Forgive me if this is already been definitively answered, or announced.

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 193982

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

All the America West 757s are gone now right? Are all of the remaining ex LUS/LAA 757s in an international configuration? EX HP 757 fleet is gone, LUS 757’s operate with a domestic first cabin. They fly routes such as PHX-LIH/DFW/PHL/CLT, etc. How long is it expected that AA will continue these 757...

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by DeltaMD95
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

If they were to live through Q1 2021, it seems likely that they would live until the end of summer 2021. Astute observation. Presumably, Delta now have the right-sized scale, allowing flexibility for the option to extend retirement 6+ months (i.e. Labor Day 2021), seeing all remaining aircraft are ...

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by DeltaMD95
Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

The MD90 is considerably more efficient. Data posted has shown the MD90 to be competitive on legs under 3 hours, with similar vintage 737NG & A320 - for which Delta have many of. Which makes it all the more unfortunate, the overzealous vendor squeezing (on Delta’s part) drove an early retiremen...

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by DeltaMD95
Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Does the increased efficiency of the MD-90 engines compensate for the increased weight of the fuselage compared to the MD-88? Which aircraft burns less fuel when fully loaded? The MD90 is considerably more efficient. Data posted has shown the MD90 to be competitive on legs under 3 hours, with simil...

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Does the increased efficiency of the MD-90 engines compensate for the increased weight of the fuselage compared to the MD-88? Which aircraft burns less fuel when fully loaded? The MD90 is considerably more efficient. Data posted has shown the MD90 to be competitive on legs under 3 hours, with simil...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:59 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: DC-9 Family What-Ifs
Replies: 19
Views: 3414

Re: DC-9 Family What-Ifs

Hi all, I've spent a considerable amount of time on Delta's remaining DC-9 family aircraft as of late, and I've been giving them some thought. First, I wanted to confirm with you all that my understanding of the progression is correct. - Original DC-9-10, roughly the size of an E-175 - DC-9-30 is l...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:47 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: DC-9 Family What-Ifs
Replies: 19
Views: 3414

Re: DC-9 Family What-Ifs

There's some element of trade-off between engine configurations though, isn't there? If nothing else, McDD would not be struggling with the ground-clearance related issues that have forced Boeing to Frankenstein the 737 with now infamous consequences. Right? No. McDD would be struggling with their ...

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by DeltaMD95
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Looks like the DL MD-88 will be exiting the ORD service very soon. Sad to say. When is that? I was hoping to do a daytrip next summer and catch one last ride on them. I don’t know the exact date for certain, but I was looking to do a flight in late March/early April and was disappointed to learn th...

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by DeltaMD95
Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1195
Views: 260719

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Looks like the DL MD-88 will be exiting the ORD service very soon. Sad to say.

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL to fly from BOS to LGW and MAN, seasonally FCO as well as 2nd daily flight to CDG
Replies: 282
Views: 49696

Re: Rumor: DL announcing new BOS routes next week.

Any chance BOS-ORD will eventually go from all E175 to a mix with the 717? Ala LGA-ORD

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by DeltaMD95
Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 175208

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

I would have liked to have seen Delta retire more of the early build A320s, with the 739ER deliveries, as originally planned when the aircraft was ordered. Why, when all of the frames currently flying got new bins, PSUs, seats, power and AVOD? Do you think you could tell a 1991 build from a 1995 bu...

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