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by Thenoflyzone
Tue May 17, 2022 1:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

jfk777 wrote:
Air Canada is flying from Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto to Narita, what about Haneda ? did they loose those great slots.


AC has pushed back the restart of YYZ-HND to Oct 29. Daily 77W.

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by Thenoflyzone
Mon May 16, 2022 2:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

Anyone know how many 77Ws and A333s are in cargo configuration? It seems most were already returned to pax service. KrisYYZ According to their Q1 2022 documents, there was 1 77W and 1 A333 remaining in cargo config as of March 31, 2022. Both those frames should be reconfigured to a passenger layout...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sat May 14, 2022 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

matt wrote:
So as of May 12, 2022, this is the peak summer schedule for Summer 2022. Corrections are welcome, of course!

Air Canada – Summer 2022 (July/August)

YVR-DEL AC 044 789 (-)


This flight isn't operating in July or August. It resumes in Sept only.

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu May 12, 2022 11:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

YUL-ALG to be resumed on June 8, 3xweeky A333 This will be one of those routes that could go XLR and change to daily. French North Africa from YUL are ideal routes for the XLR (as AC pointed out in the XLR press release). Yes and no. I think Morocco, Algeria, etc are baggage heavy routes, as they a...

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu May 12, 2022 7:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Eastern Canada Airports 2022 stats
Replies: 8
Views: 1107

Re: Eastern Canada Airports 2022 stats

^ oops. When I read that article, I added a “to” in my head. Read that as “passenger activity increased to 4.1 million”. To my defence, nowhere in the article I quoted is there mention of 5.2 million. Canadian aviation news didn’t include the table of financial and passenger results. Poorly written ...

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed May 11, 2022 9:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Eastern Canada Airports 2022 stats
Replies: 8
Views: 1107

Re: Eastern Canada Airports 2022 stats

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... r-results/
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YYZ Q1 2022 stats are out.

4.1 million passengers in Q1, a 384.5% increase over the same period last year.

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... r-results/

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by Thenoflyzone
Mon May 09, 2022 10:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 470
Views: 105644

Re: British Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2022

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220509-bajun22lhrlh

Is this related to cabin crew shortage, demand, both?
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Quite the reduction of frequency on long haul in peak summer.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220509-bajun22lhrlh

Is this related to cabin crew shortage, demand, both?

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by Thenoflyzone
Sat May 07, 2022 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The WestJet Thread - 2022
Replies: 426
Views: 57908

Re: The WestJet Thread - 2022

The 4Y operation has only be scrubbed until end of July. After that, they are planning to fly - probably with one of the AY A359 in wet lease. They have informed YYC, and their planned ground handlers at YYC, that they are not coming and therefore training for the latter has been cancelled. If they...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sat May 07, 2022 2:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada Orders 2 New 767 Freighters
Replies: 53
Views: 13126

Re: Air Canada Orders 2 New 767 Freighters

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Air-Canada-Rouge
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Spacepope wrote:
Leased aircraft have been picked up by other operators (mostly Chinese cargo airlines so far) and are getting converted on their own.


Not all of them. 7 of them are still stored, with no new owners as of yet.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Air-Canada-Rouge

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by Thenoflyzone
Fri May 06, 2022 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada Orders 2 New 767 Freighters
Replies: 53
Views: 13126

Re: Air Canada Orders 2 New 767 Freighters

I thought the Rouge 767 fleet was going to be converted to freighters? Some of them had to be scrapped. Which ones were those? There are a bunch getting converted by Chinese cargo airlines. Sorry. I misspoke. I was under the impression that one or two 767s would surely be scrapped by now, but consi...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sun May 01, 2022 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

How does BNE have more traffic than MEL from YVR? Isn't MEL the bigger market? Demand is only one piece of the puzzle. Ex. YVR-DEL is significantly larger than YUL-DEL, and yet, YVR -DEL is getting suspended in the coming months, whereas YUL-DEL is not. In this particular case, the Russian airspace...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sun May 01, 2022 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada Orders 2 New 767 Freighters
Replies: 53
Views: 13126

Re: Air Canada Orders 2 New 767 Freighters

United_fan wrote:
I thought the Rouge 767 fleet was going to be converted to freighters?


Some of them had to be scrapped.

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

Interesting and unexpected. The new 767s are a big surprise. There must be tonnes of used 767s available, albeit older frames. What is the payload and performance difference between a converted 767 and a new build 767F? I know there is quite the difference in a 77L converter to a freighter and a 77...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Concord(JQF) to test remote air traffic control tower system
Replies: 12
Views: 2193

Re: Concord signs agreement to test remote air traffic control tower system

Makes sense. These types of airports are perfect for remote tower technology. JQF is a single runway airport with around 75,000 movements only. 85% of movements are GA, and Allegiant is the only commercial carrier. These airports don’t really need towers. Has there been an increase of incidents at ...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Concord(JQF) to test remote air traffic control tower system
Replies: 12
Views: 2193

Re: Concord signs agreement to test remote air traffic control tower system

Makes sense. These types of airports are perfect for remote tower technology.

JQF is a single runway airport with around 75,000 movements only. 85% of movements are GA, and Allegiant is the only commercial carrier.

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by Thenoflyzone
Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

However, S21, and now S22, AC have 12 daily flights to LHR (168 weekly slots, not counting the 3 slot pairs leased to UA and 0B). I'm thinking the extra slot pair came from Air China, but I'm not 100% sure. This trade is listed as a slot return for S21. 14 weekly slot pairs. . Looking at September ...

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by Thenoflyzone
Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

So if 3 AC LHR slots are currently leased out, does that mean they snagged an extra LHR slot pair for the second YUL? Pre-pandemic, AC had 11 daily flights into LHR during the summer season. (154 weekly slots). S19 and S20 initial coordination reports on ACL website can confirm this. However, S21, ...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

Perhaps AC should consider filling the rest of the 7M8 with US connections from the US Eastern Seaboard like PHL, EWR, BOS, and IAD as well as Aeroplan reward ticket passengers. That takes away some of the connecting passengers from YUL and YYZ, opening more seats for higher-yielding O&D passen...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FlyONE Armenia
Replies: 10
Views: 1889

Re: FlyONE Armenia

What ever happened to Ryanair in Armenia? They started flights in January 2020 (not a great timing) and they never returned. https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanairs-first-armenia-2020-flights-take-off-from-yerevan/ They seem to have abandoned the idea of serving EVN and LWN. Pretty sure if COVI...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FlyONE Armenia
Replies: 10
Views: 1889

Re: FlyONE Armenia

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5f927

EVN-LYS

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5f925
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Ok. It seems flights to the EU are operated by 5F (FlyOne), and not 3F (FlyOne Armenia).

EVN-CDG

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5f927

EVN-LYS

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5f925

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by Thenoflyzone
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

Just a quick question , TLS is still planning in the future ? ( month or year ?) YUL-TLS was shown as a future A321XLR route in their 2022 investor day presentation last month, but then again, so were a dozen other routes. Deliveries of the XLR begin Q1 2024, so most likely not before summer 2024, ...

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by Thenoflyzone
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FlyONE Armenia
Replies: 10
Views: 1889

Re: FlyONE Armenia

Flyone Armenia currently has flights on sale to IST, LYS for the last months and plans to fly to 5-10 other destinations this summer from EVN. Flights to France are surprising, considering all airlines on an Armenian AOC are banned from flying to the EU. FlyOne Armenia is specifically listed as wel...

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by Thenoflyzone
Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FlyONE Armenia
Replies: 10
Views: 1889

Re: FlyONE Armenia

Normally, national aviation regulators expect an airline to have at least one aircraft registered to their AOC and to do some flying in their own name. Without it, the airline is typically viewed as dormant and the AOC ends up being withdrawn Why is Armenia allowing FlyONE to operate as a shell com...

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

YHZ is using the traditional YYZ day tripper slot. I could be wrong but I believe AC are leasing out two slots and have one dormant slot, one of which is long-term to UA. The other leased slot is to a Euro carrier that they’ll surely want back as soon as YOW government traffic rebounds and the dorm...

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EU blacklists 21 Russian airlines, including SU
Replies: 23
Views: 6328

Re: EU blacklists 21 Russian airlines, including SU

Sure, but a quick filter for Russian airlines on flightradar24 will give you a good picture of the effect... right now, no plane belonging to a Russian airline is outside Russia or Belarus... not one... They have a dozen or so flights in/out of EVN (Yerevan, Armenia) everyday, almost all exclusivel...

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by Thenoflyzone
Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IATA' s Role in Today' s World
Replies: 19
Views: 3090

Re: IATA' s Role in Today' s World

II will not fly on an airline that is not a member of IATA and has therefore not been through an IOSA audit. There are airlines that aren't IATA member but are certified to IOSA standards. So are you are saying IATA does IOSA audits on non member airlines? https://www.iata.org/en/programs/safety/au...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

I don't know whats up with ex-DL 77L's but wouldn't like 4 or so of those be not a bad addition to the fleet? or are they all of those being converted to freighters? Mammoth has acquired all 10 ex.DL 77Ls for conversion. https://worldairlinenews.com/2021/09/10/mammoth-freighters-launches-boeing-777...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAK to start production of 20 Tu-214
Replies: 29
Views: 7577

Re: OAK to start production of 20 Tu-214

https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... 147_1.html
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tjwgrr wrote:

They'll be flying the 777s and the A350s for quite a while with parts likely to come from China.


China already said no last month.

https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... 147_1.html

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

I don't know whats up with ex-DL 77L's but wouldn't like 4 or so of those be not a bad addition to the fleet? or are they all of those being converted to freighters? Mammoth has acquired all 10 ex.DL 77Ls for conversion. https://worldairlinenews.com/2021/09/10/mammoth-freighters-launches-boeing-777...

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by Thenoflyzone
Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

So for May YUL/YYZ-DEL and YVR-SYD are on 77L, so should airspace restrictions not go away these aircraft are going to be all over the place. The airspace restrictions aren't going away anytime soon. Some of those 77Ls are probably going to be operating DEL flights for the foreseeable future. Based...

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ICAO approves creation of Doha FIR
Replies: 14
Views: 4112

Re: ICAO approves creation of Doha FIR

Why on earth is Saudi Arabia giving up control of a huge part of it's territorial airspace? It's interesting that there is no mention of this airspace relinquishment in any of the articles. I figured it was an old Bahrain FIR map from the 70s or 80s.

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ICAO approves creation of Doha FIR
Replies: 14
Views: 4112

Re: ICAO approves creation of Doha FIR

Bahrain’s airspace is massive considering it covers much of Saudi if you look at the picture above. Anyone know why such a big airspace for such a small country? That map is wrong. Or outdated. Jeddah FIR controls all Saudi territorial airspace. The maps in the following link are correct. Scroll do...

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by Thenoflyzone
Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air China Heathrow
Replies: 8
Views: 3115

Re: Air China Heathrow

There is a 70% slot usage requirement for LHR this summer. CA can't meet that requirement, as most flights in/out of China are limited to 1x or 2x weekly per route. They are currently listed as 1x weekly to LHR for S22, based on LHR S22 Start of Season report available on ACL's website. That's 62 sl...

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by Thenoflyzone
Fri Mar 25, 2022 11:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Buffalo Airways bought their first jet, A 737-300SF
Replies: 46
Views: 10846

Re: Buffalo Airways bought their first jet, A 737-300SF

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ion/rowy1e


Wow. Only 35.5 years old ! Considering their Electras are over 60 years old, and the DC3s and C46s even older, this will significantly reduce their fleet age. :D
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BasilFawlty wrote:
Should be this one: https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ion/rowy1e


Wow. Only 35.5 years old ! Considering their Electras are over 60 years old, and the DC3s and C46s even older, this will significantly reduce their fleet age. :D

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Air Canada to add 26 A321neo
Replies: 185
Views: 20451

Re: Air Canada acquiring 26 A321XLR's

I'm not sure it would go that far on TATL routes. TAP's longest LR route is LIS-IAD at just over 3100nm and in the Winter it often stops in the Azores, westbound. The XLR adds what? 500nm to the LR? TAP isn't the best reference. Their hub is right at the edge of Europe. So most of their routes to N...

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Air Canada to add 26 A321neo
Replies: 185
Views: 20451

Re: Air Canada acquiring 26 A321XLR's

I'm not sure it would go that far on TATL routes. TAP's longest LR route is LIS-IAD at just over 3100nm and in the Winter it often stops in the Azores, westbound. The XLR adds what? 500nm to the LR? TAP isn't the best reference. Their hub is right at the edge of Europe. So most of their routes to N...

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by Thenoflyzone
Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:59 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Alternate/ETOPS implications on overflight ban for Russia
Replies: 8
Views: 2394

Alternate/ETOPS implications on overflight ban for Russia

So all these countries banning Russian carriers from their airspace got me thinking. Several Russian carriers are still flying to the US and Caribbean. Can these Russian carriers still file enroute alternates in Canada or the EU when they legally no longer have the right to enter those countries? Ob...

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by Thenoflyzone
Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroflot flying over Canada despite airspace closure to Russian aircraft
Replies: 38
Views: 10989

Re: Aeroflot flying over Canada despite airspace closure to Russian aircraft

The Canadian Ministry of Transport announced airspace closure to Russian aircraft in the morning (Feb 27) with an immediate effect. At 10 pm EST, Aeroflot flight SU159 is flying over Canada (Moncton FIR/UIR - actual position)! Also, according to Flightradar24, a few hours earlier, SU111 and SU157 c...

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by Thenoflyzone
Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Volume of Transatlantic A321 Routes Today
Replies: 40
Views: 8695

Re: Volume of Transatlantic A321 Routes Today

I recently flew LIS-YYZ on TP's A320NXLR and was surprised to see that TP also operate the type to BOS and IAD. and YUL. I was wondering what is today the total volume of A320Neo Transatlantic traffic operating on a scheduled basis or announced for launch in 2022. Faro As dfw88 clearly showed, TS, ...

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Russian airlines banned from UK; EU may follow
Replies: 132
Views: 28910

Re: Updated: Russian airlines banned from UK

mspeaumsn wrote:
Does these bans include oceanic airspace (Shanwick and Santa Maria OCAs)?


Oceanic airspace is considered international airspace. Overflight bans cannot be imposed in international airspace, only over your own territory.

It doesn’t matter if the controlling agency is American or European.

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Charlotte ATC Tower/TRACON Opens
Replies: 32
Views: 4708

Re: New Charlotte ATC Tower/TRACON Opens

Crazy to think that such a huge and busy airport with 3 parallel runways was controlled from a single 155 ft tower until recently.

Could the old tower be used for ramp control?

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Charlotte ATC Tower/TRACON Opens
Replies: 32
Views: 4708

Re: New Charlotte ATC Tower/TRACON Opens

According to the city, the new tower is 367 feet tall with a new 42,000ft² TRACON at the base, making it the second tallest in the US and fifth in the world. Not 5th, but rather 9th tallest in the world. Pretty comprehensive list at the following page. Heights listed are to the top of the tower cab...

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by Thenoflyzone
Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM stopped flying to Kiev
Replies: 44
Views: 9987

Re: KLM stopped flying to Kiev

But at what point are airlines going to stop flying in Ukrainian airspace? If KLM has already stopped flying, how many other airlines will also stop flying? Almost no European major airline overflies Ukraine already. Same thing for Asian carriers. This has been the case for several years now. TK, w...

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:36 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: DE-icing while idle
Replies: 10
Views: 3150

Re: DE-icing while idle

"Hot" deicing on turboprops was never a favourite activity of mine. We did it extensively on the Boeings but with VERY strict communications procedures when talking to "SNO-MAN" . The strictness of those comms were a result of a fatal accident at Mirabel/CYMX in the late 1980's ...

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:40 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: RAF jets scrambled to track 'unidentified aircraft' north of Scotland
Replies: 22
Views: 8271

Re: RAF jets scrambled to track 'unidentified aircraft' north of Scotland

Out of curiosity is it common practice for military aircraft of other nations to operate in radio silence and with transponders off? How do you know they were operating in radio silence? I don’t believe this is the case https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-60231014 The RA...

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Elon Musk Private Jet Location Posted on Twitter ($5000 offer to take it down)
Replies: 151
Views: 19057

Re: Elon Musk Private Jet Location Posted on Twitter ($5000 offer to take it down)

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
It’s airborne over North America right now, they show no results found. And, I can guarantee in civil airspace they’re not turning off the transponder.


I guess planes like that are more the exception than the rule.

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Elon Musk Private Jet Location Posted on Twitter ($5000 offer to take it down)
Replies: 151
Views: 19057

Re: Elon Musk Private Jet Location Posted on Twitter ($5000 offer to take it down)

Musk can block his plane on ADS-B exchange. I just looked at ours, it ain’t there, just landed. Don't think he can. No one can. Unless you turn off your transponder. Where were you flying? Could be there were no ADS-B antennas there feeding the website. You were probably in a blind spot. ADS-B Exha...

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by Thenoflyzone
Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France to commence flights to Quebec City
Replies: 13
Views: 4480

Re: Air France to commence flights to Quebec City

Not sure if that is sustainable. Of course it is. 3x weekly A332 is not a lot of capacity for YQB-Paris, especially in summer time, when demand is high. It's less than 700 seats a week to YQB. AF currently has daily bus service between YUL and Quebec City. They know very well how many passengers ar...

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by Thenoflyzone
Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 520
Views: 111147

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2022

YUL-HNL still operates this coming Saturday then is suspended until end of Feb. I could have sworn a week ago or so that I saw the route being suspended until April. Not end february, but rather til mid-February. And it's not exclusive to YUL. There are cancelations from YYZ and YYC as well. I chec...

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by Thenoflyzone
Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2022
Replies: 882
Views: 169952

Re: Should Delta put scimitars on their 757s?

And the 757-200s are the backbone of the sports charter fleet, which are also many short flights ... But that doesn't really matter since Delta already removed winglets for those 11 frames right? That fleet is mostly NBA exclusive. Per the contract they can be used for other charters but I don't th...

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