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by Philippine747
Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 29
Views: 3568

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022

There are rumors that airlines in London are in talks with buying PAL's slots. Hmmn...does this mean PR is leaving London after all? Or could there be a discussion behind the scenes about PR using TLV as a jump-off point to LHR in the future , after the launch of their service to Israel that would ...

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by Philippine747
Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 29
Views: 3568

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022

PAL is set to begin MNL-TLV service from April, using A350s. Flights are not yet listed on timetable, but are now bookable on their website for travel from at least 6 April. Flight schedule is: PR686 MNL-TLV 2210-0415+ A359 We-Su PR687 TLV-MNL 2145-1415+ A359 Mo-Th https://www.jpost.com/breaking-new...

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by Philippine747
Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 29
Views: 3568

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022

Updating from reply #12. PAL released a new timetable effective from the 21st. This schedule is highly subject to change, and here are some of the selected highlights: Domestic MNL-CGY v.v. to have Mainline service 7x weekly until 1-28 Feb, replacing some PALex service. Flights revert to PALex after...

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by Philippine747
Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 29
Views: 3568

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022

Update to Reply #12, PR is temporarily cancelling certain flights in/out of Manila until the 16th . These cancellations affect Mainline and PALex operated flights. From their post: We continue to experience challenges in sustaining full operations because an increasing number of our frontline and su...

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by Philippine747
Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 29
Views: 3568

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022

PAL released their first domestic and international timetable updates for the year last 5 January. International: MNL-HKG v.v. 4x weekly until 1 March (1x daily from that day). Passenger travel only allowed on HKG-MNL until 21 January 2021 due to entry restrictions into Hong Kong. MNL-SGN v.v. 2x we...

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by Philippine747
Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 29
Views: 3568

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022

Official PAL press release regarding Chapter 11 exit: https://palrecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/PAL-Emergence-Press-Release_12.31.21_Final.pdf Interesting tidbit too: Restoring more routes and increasing flight frequencies as travel restrictions ease and borders reopen, including the resum...

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by Philippine747
Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 29
Views: 3568

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2022

Official PAL press release regarding Chapter 11 exit: https://palrecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/PAL-Emergence-Press-Release_12.31.21_Final.pdf Interesting tidbit too: Restoring more routes and increasing flight frequencies as travel restrictions ease and borders reopen, including the resump...

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by Philippine747
Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Christmas update! Updating from reply #460, this is some selected highlights of PAL's timetable update from 23 December 2021. Main highlights are the continuation of LHR and YYZ service, as well as the temporary addition of domestic Mainline service to more stations. International MNL-DPS v.v. resu...

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by Philippine747
Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Christmas update! Updating from reply #460, this is some selected highlights of PAL's timetable update from 23 December 2021. Main highlights are the continuation of LHR and YYZ service, as well as the temporary addition of domestic Mainline service to more stations. International MNL-DPS v.v. resum...

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by Philippine747
Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Updating from Reply No. 447. PAL released their new timetable yesterday, 14 December. Some selected highlights include Mainline service to BCD/ILO, and postponements of some international service increases. Domestic MNL-BCD v.v. has 2x weekly flights opb Mainline until 31 December, supplementing PAL...

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by Philippine747
Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

KLM’s 70th year flying to Manila! https://www.instagram.com/p/CXDofpdl-A9/?utm_medium=copy_link https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/klm-royal-dutch-airlines-celebrating-020000863.html Weird that they rarely show up as an option flying USA to Manila via AMS Much faster to ...

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by Philippine747
Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Updating from Reply #406. 6 December timetable update on PAL's website is now up on their site. Main highlights are schedule adjustments. International MNL-BNE-AKL v.v. running twice monthly from Jan-Mar 2022 and 12/16Dec MNL-LAX v.v. 12x weekly MNL-SIN v.v. 10x weekly, 2x daily from 1 Feb MNL-SFO v...

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by Philippine747
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Q. Philippine Airlines January 2022 schedule is strange. JFK to Manila is 3 days a week but Manila to JFK is 7 days a week. How could this possibly happen? You can check out what I am saying by trying to go through the steps of booking on the PAL web site. A. Probably a loading error, timetable sho...

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by Philippine747
Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Updating from Reply no. 406: PAL has released another timetable update yesterday (22 November). Highlights include route resumptions and service adjustments. DVO-ILO v.v. resumes 8 December, 1x weekly ILO-GES v.v. resumes 7 December, 1x weekly . Aircraft originates from ILO compared to GES in the pa...

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by Philippine747
Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Just to clarify...didn't PR lose the entitlement when they chose to fly nonstop to JFK :?: Winter Timetable has finally rolled over worldwide. Its new business plan includes more flights to China, and South Asia, boost in US West Coast flights, and possible exit from unprofitable markets of New Yor...

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by Philippine747
Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Scheduled airline service to strictly military use bases
Replies: 42
Views: 5778

Re: Scheduled airline service to strictly military use bases

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Philippine Airlines used to fly to NAS Cubi Point/Subic Bay (SFS) from Manila using DC-3s while it was still under American control.

http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/pr/pr61/pr61-3.jpg

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by Philippine747
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

International BKK-MNL stops in TAG from 17-24 November Why one week only? This would be a welcome route for European travellers to Bohol, not having to go via Manila. Not many connections to justify the "International" in the TAG airport name.... These stops are to get around arrival proc...

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by Philippine747
Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Updating from reply #393: Selected highlights from PAL Winter Timetable update from November 12: International BKK-MNL stops in TAG from 17-24 November MNL-BKK v.v. 2nd weekly flight brought forward to 28 November from 5 December, 3rd weekly flight scheduled throughout December only, then returns on...

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by Philippine747
Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:05 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will DL expand into Asia again?
Replies: 41
Views: 3879

Re: Will DL expand into Asia again?

SCFlyer wrote:
DL has (or had) the ICN-MNL fifth freedom daily service as part of the DL/KE JV.


"Indefinitely suspended" since earlier this year

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by Philippine747
Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Winter Timetable has finally rolled over worldwide. As such, here are some selected highlights of the last-minute adjustments to PAL's Winter timetable from the 28/29 October revision, compared to the previously planned timetable in reply no. 370. Main highlight is PAL bringing forward increases to ...

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by Philippine747
Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Its possible PR will be reviving 5th Freedom flight between JFK and YVR with the B77W. Just to clarify...didn't PR lose the entitlement when they chose to fly nonstop to JFK :?: Not a lawyer, but if my interpretation of the US-Philippines ASA (amendment of 1995) is correct, PR is still entitled to ...

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by Philippine747
Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

The company behind Sunlight is still selling tour packages + flights, so I guess they're used for that purpose. Sunlight is also flying cargo ops. Thank you for the info. :thumbsup: No problem! YVR-JFK may be PR 's most viable eastern seaboard tag-on ever...unless SEA-MCO surprises everybody with p...

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by Philippine747
Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Selected updates from the PAL Winter Timetable update as of 18 October: International MNL-CGK 1x weekly brought forward to 7 November (flights on 8/22/29 Nov still listed) MNL-HKG service increase adjusted, 3x weekly until 1 Dec, 1x daily after that date MNL-RUH v.v. goes 1x daily from 2 Dec MNL-YYZ...

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by Philippine747
Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Btw , whatever happened to their and Balesin 's ATR72 s...ditto with Sunlight Air :?: The company behind Sunlight is still selling tour packages + flights, so I guess they're used for that purpose. Sunlight is also flying cargo ops. Seems so, MNL-YYZ-MNL remains bookable for flights after 16 Jan 20...

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by Philippine747
Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Wonder how this will effect PAL restrcuturing program? https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/10/07/2132241/lucio-tan-cuts-ties-son-law Also El Kapitan overruled the CEO and PAL is staying with JFK, YYZ and LHR. Seems so, MNL-YYZ-MNL remains bookable for flights after 16 Jan 2022 (last scheduled fl...

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by Philippine747
Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

First version of the 2021-2022 PR Winter Timetable effective from 31 October now up on their website. This is highly subject to change, but should things pan out, we will see a significant increase in service, with return of regular flights to a number of international destinations. However, this mi...

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by Philippine747
Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

PAL to interline with HA for flights to SEA and mulls other US mainland destinations in the near future..... :airplane: https://business.inquirer.net/331548/pal-ties-up-with-hawaii-airline-in-bid-to-expand-to-us-west-coast I was just about to mention this... I've been seeing these ads over the past...

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by Philippine747
Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

New PAL Summer Timetable update released earlier today, 27 September 2021. The Winter Timetable will be coming soon and will be effective 30 October, as hinted on their website. Main features of this timetable are CEB, DVO, SFS and TAG being used as gateways for select international flights, resumpt...

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by Philippine747
Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:19 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What airliner do you wish you could have flown on but never got the chance?
Replies: 74
Views: 6322

Re: What airliner do you wish you could have flown on but never got the chance?

MD-80! Was looking at Far Eastern Air Transport for a possible day trip to Penghu, but a few days before I flew to Taipei, the airline folded. Thankfully never booked tickets but still miffed about it. What about Airfast Indonesia? Seems like this option would still be available to you. Honestly Ai...

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by Philippine747
Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:23 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airbus A320 - Who's have you flown
Replies: 80
Views: 6324

Re: Airbus A320 - Who's have you flown

A318: I wish : (
A319: Cebu Pacific, CSA, Philippine Airlines
A320: Aegean, AirAsia Philippines, airphilexpress, Cebu Pacific, Jetstar Japan, Philippine Airlines (Mainline and Express), SilkAir, Thai Smile
A321: Philippine Airlines (Mainline and Express), Qatar Airways, Vietnam Airlines

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by Philippine747
Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: PAL Philippine Airlines files for Bankruptcy Protection
Replies: 75
Views: 19385

Re: Updated: PAL Philippine Airlines files for Bankruptcy Protection

LAXintl wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
I'm curious to the source of the list? I've been seeing in another thread that they were interested in retaining the -878X A330s with the new interior and lower capacity.


The actual legal filings that were submitted to the court.


Thanks, I think I found them already!

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by Philippine747
Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: PAL Philippine Airlines files for Bankruptcy Protection
Replies: 75
Views: 19385

Re: Updated: PAL Philippine Airlines files for Bankruptcy Protection

PAL entered court filing to reject the following leases: A320 - RP-C8399 A321 - RP-C9910 A321 - RP-C9911 A321 - RP-C9925 A330-300 - RP-C8760 A330-300 - RP-C8766 A330-300 - RP-C8784 A330-300 - RP-C8785 A330-300 - RP-C8786 A350 - RP-C3503 A350 - RP-C3504 A350 - RP-C3506 A350 - RP-C3507 B777-300 - RP-...

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by Philippine747
Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

As PR enters Chapter 11, this is where the network stands as scheduled on the 1 September edition of the timetable. Selected highlights explained in detail. I think LHR is worth highlighting..... Manila-London (Heathrow)-Manila • September 7 and 21 Thanks, for some reason I didn't add this importan...

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by Philippine747
Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

As PR enters Chapter 11, this is where the network stands as scheduled on the 1 September edition of the timetable. Selected highlights explained in detail. International International scheduled destinations: AKL (via BNE), BKK, BNE, DMM, DOH, DXB, FUK, GUM, HKG, SGN, HNL, CGK, KUL, LHR, MEL, NGO, J...

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by Philippine747
Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Nice to see the new runway taking shape! Interesting to see that they've added a new taxiway between D and C towards the 22 threshold. Hope that Cebu will add another runway in the future as well! They're referring to it as an "alternate/emergency" runway...not a full-pledged one per se ....

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by Philippine747
Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

No it is officall unless down the road maybe but for now Delta has left the Phillippines for good./.... Too bad with the new airport DL could have added CEB and added NS to ICN. Oh Well.. THANKS DELTA for all the memories to MNL from NRT so sad to see you go, we lost SIN, MNL, NRT. HKG what is next...

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by Philippine747
Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

PAL 24 August Timetable update released, here are some of the selected highlights. Highly subject to change, depending on conditions. International MNL-BNE-AKL v.v. to operate 12 Sep/17 Oct MNL-HKG v.v. 1 weekly MNL-JFK v.v. 2x weekly SFO-CEB-MNL to remain in the schedule indefinitely, 1x weekly LAX...

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by Philippine747
Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Been quite a while since I did this: Selected highlights from the PAL August 9 version of the International Summer timetable. Major changes include PAL rerouting inbound flights to Cebu, Laoag and Subic, presumably to reduce load on the arrival processing in Manila. MNL-LAX operates 1x daily (PR102)...

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by Philippine747
Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Say hello to the "Green Africa" airline. AOC received.
Replies: 20
Views: 3056

Re: Say hello to the "Green Africa" airline. AOC received.

kearnet wrote:
Any idea of what aircraft type(s) they’ll operate? I didn’t see it mentioned in the article.


ATR72-600s, according to their website

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by Philippine747
Sat Aug 07, 2021 7:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

PAL has been publishing a greater summary of their their scheduled flights on their Facebook page (see links below), including some flights not on the PDF timetable. Some of the highlights for today's schedule: ⋅ MNL-AUH-MNL (as PR8624/8625) ⋅ MNL-BAH (one-way only as PR8620) &sd...

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by Philippine747
Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

In August 2018, a Xiamen 737-800 was effectively written off after a hard landing at NAIA. I travelled through NAIA a few times since then, last time was 14 January 2020, In all these times, the hull of the aircraft was still dumped near the runway intersection, covered in tarpaulin. I have numerou...

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by Philippine747
Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:34 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What airliner do you wish you could have flown on but never got the chance?
Replies: 74
Views: 6322

Re: What airliner do you wish you could have flown on but never got the chance?

MD-80! Was looking at Far Eastern Air Transport for a possible day trip to Penghu, but a few days before I flew to Taipei, the airline folded. Thankfully never booked tickets but still miffed about it.

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by Philippine747
Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

[quoteAB330 wrote: I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8?] What's the status of the PALX DHC8-300, are they flying or been sold off too?[/quote] Quietly retired. L...

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by Philippine747
Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Yeah GAP advantage it has a lower operating expense then PAL won't be surprised to see them take over some of PAL mainline domestic routes and possibly international leisure routes like DPS. Honestly there will still be a lot of mainline flying to and from Cebu as aircraft would need to be position...

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by Philippine747
Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8? The Q400s are taking a lot more flying recently out of Manila. Interestingly, they're even flying routes usually plied by Ma...

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by Philippine747
Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

I've heard PAL Express will not see a reduction for the Dash 8-Q400. Not sure if they will lose A320 or A321 if PAL decided to close down 2P will Mainline PAL absorb GAP DH8? The Q400s are taking a lot more flying recently out of Manila. Interestingly, they're even flying routes usually plied by Ma...

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by Philippine747
Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:25 pm
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: Favorite Song about aviation?
Replies: 62
Views: 4323

Re: Aviation Songs

Jet Lag - Simple Plan (feat. Natasha Bedingfield for the English version, Marie-Mai for the French version) . The music video was also filmed in YYZ! 20 Minutes Before Takeoff - Dan Henry. One of the older English-language Filipino songs, makes references to PR and their DC-10s! Love at 30,000 Feet...

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by Philippine747
Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

Subic Bay to take in quarantining pax starting 5 July. According to the report, PR will be scheduling flights from DMM and RUH to arrive in SFS on 5, 7, 15, 17, 25 and 27 July. Glad to see SFS taking commercial traffic once again! https://www.rappler.com/nation/subic-freeport-receive-philippine-airl...

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by Philippine747
Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

JNC03 wrote:
According to my source in Xiamen, PAL's first A350-900 RP-C3501 will undergo overhaul maintenance and will be painted in white eventually the plane will return to the lessor


RP-C3501 returned home from XMN last Wed, 23 June. Currently operating MNL-YVR as of writing.

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by Philippine747
Wed May 19, 2021 6:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 480
Views: 93991

Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2021

+ at least 2 classics, of which one is confirmed to be stored in Cebu. If those still have plenty of airframe & engine life left and couldn't find buyers, I think PR should convert both to freighters...to have something to cater for cargo demand uplift. Doesn't sound like a bad idea... but does...

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