cessna2 wrote:Interesting development. 2020 DL will be getting 7 A339’s versus the 4 planned. 2021 will see 11 join the fleet versus the 9 planned. DL has also increased its order from 35 total frames to 37.
Announcement will be made on Thursday .New international routes covering Europe ,Asia ,and Oceana.. And considering how AA's widebody fleet really isn't going to grow anytime soon, it will also likely include a number of cuts as well (although they'll either not be included with this announcement o...Jump to post
OP is ignoring competition. It's nice that UA has a hub at ORD but CHI traffic is spread across three hubs/carriers, meaning lower destination count and average gauge for all. It's the same phenomenon at LAX and NYC. :checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: DL owning the MSP market (or DTW) tends to equ...Jump to post
I'd really like to see NH come in and do DTW-NRT 3 or 4 weekly it seems with all the DTW Japan traffic that there must be some Japan based customers that would rather fly their home based airline rather than Delta and since Delta has basically called it quits in Japan their loyalty to that market i...Jump to post
I think DFW will close the gap with ATL but I don’t foresee it overtaking ATL anytime soon. For one, and as mentioned above, D/FW is a split airport metro and two, DFW’s geography simply doesn’t support the kinds of traffic flows that support ATL’s (and CLT to a lesser extent) massive operations. AA...Jump to post
A mixture of narrow bodies and widebodies will likely replace the 753s (albeit not for another 10 years as the 753 can’t be beat from a cost perspective). ATL is becoming gate constrained and got a lot worse with the retirement of the domestic 763s. There are only so many ATL-West Coast and ATL-Flor...Jump to post
Sitting in MSP right now on a connection PDX-MSP-CMH. I’ve flown through this airport countless times, and twice stopped in the city. Pure and total guess is an airport like this is 40% O&D, 60% connections. Given that there have been a few posts already that show actual numbers, flip those and...Jump to post
I wouldn't consider LAX a hub for Delta, especially when you compare it to SEA, SLC, MSP, & DTW. Delta is LAX's 2nd highest carrier after AA. JFK could probably fall into the hub category because their presence at JFK is larger than JetBlue's. Despite lots of debate on a.net, I'm not sure there...Jump to post
DL has nonstop service to Australia from its LAX hub, but not from any of its other hubs. There are some European destinations that DL serves nonstop from JFK but not from ATL. I wouldn't consider LAX a hub for Delta, especially when you compare it to SEA, SLC, MSP, & DTW. Delta is LAX's 2nd hi...Jump to post
MSP, DTW, and SLC are most definitely hubs. The local O&D traffic is minuscule compared to amount of passengers transiting. JFK and SEA are mostly hubs in the sense of feeding long haul traffic due to geographic position and terminal constraints. LAX, LGA, and BOS are more limited in their tran...Jump to post
LHUSA wrote:jaybird wrote:And it comes at a time when there's a runway closure at JFK so it will help ease their operations. It definately wasn't something AA wanted to do.
How much are DL an B6 cutting back due to the runway closure?
Great work! CR2 departures are 372, or 11% of hub flying. Will be interesting to see how this changes as the A220 comes into the fleet. Also, I am curious about JFK-LHR. Looks like 2 DL flights for S19. When I checked tomorrow (4/18) and Friday 4/19 there were only 3 VS codeshares. No DL metal on t...Jump to post
Easy to predict this move. Why DL is so reluctant to speak publicly about retirements I don't understand. The writing is on the wall for the 717s as well. If I had to put money down, I would bet they will start being retired either next year or the year after. Once the MD-88s and -90s are gone or n...Jump to post
x1234 wrote:The only major markets AA is missing now is LAX-DTW/YYZ and DFW-PTY (for Asia connections due to the Panama Canal business and the port).
Such a shame. The world of aviation will be boring with 737s and A320s. Hopefully the 717s will last a while 100%. It's already boring with the lack of variety today. I imagine a future where there are no more than a handle of aircraft types and all the airlines will have white fuselages with billb...Jump to post
Easy to predict this move. Why DL is so reluctant to speak publicly about retirements I don't understand. DL still has 91 717s which aren’t going anywhere for the foreseeable future. The writing is on the wall for the 717s as well. If I had to put money down, I would bet they will start being retir...Jump to post
DENTK wrote:The t-tail operations at Delta have been sealed for years now, it's just that some are finally waking up to it.
When they decided *not* to install avionics upgrades in the cockpit, the writing was on the wall.
It’s not going to happen it would cost millions. And you totally disregarded my post and the reality of the situation. Don’t let the facts get in your way. How is it that DL kept flying DC-9-50 and 747-400 flights after officially retiring them but AA is incapable of doing the same with the MD-80? ...Jump to post
Probably DL. A ton of types and even more subtypes and subfleets.
Candyman... man, that movie ruined my childhood. The music is epic. Not many movies with atmospheric horror made these days, and using the backdrop of Cabrini Green and a downtrodden Chicago society made it all the more uncomfortable to watch. As a 31 year old I still don’t think I could watch it b...Jump to post
Candyman... man, that movie ruined my childhood. The music is epic. Not many movies with atmospheric horror made these days, and using the backdrop of Cabrini Green and a downtrodden Chicago society made it all the more uncomfortable to watch. As a 31 year old I still don’t think I could watch it by...Jump to post
There’s a lot of misinformation in this thread. For one, Condor already serves MSP-FRA 2-4 times weekly during the summer, that covers the 50ish PDEW for the route. MSP-LHR is around 130 PDEW, which is covered well by DL’s daily flight. Additionally, MSP is well served to Europe, with 4 daily flight...Jump to post
ORD, SEA, IAH, DTW, MSP, soon DFW etc are “smaller” than IAD for AF. DTW is not small for AF. They may operate just one daily flight but don't forget it is a DL hub and considering the revenue sharing JV between AF/DL/KL and all the daily flights across the Atlantic from DTW, it is pretty big for A...Jump to post
The BOTTOM LINE.... no 787, 77W, and now NOMORE 350 back to 333. So is the 777 the FLAGSHIP? Huh? I swear there’s more and more incoherent babble on here every day. How is the A350 no more? Jeremy NO babble..... DL is not 100% happy with them! OR do you have information to the contrary? Your commen...Jump to post
Once all the MD80s and 767s are gone and the 321 retrofit is complete then AA's fleet will be perfect. If by perfect you also mean boring, and the same as every other airline will have, then yes, their fleet will be perfect. Also, no longer having a 2-3 cabin in the mainline fleet will be unfortuna...Jump to post
Eastern still had about 280-300 mainline flights at the time of the strike in 1989. A real strong number 2 to Delta. Had been No. 1 in Atlanta till about 1985. Not only Eastern was #1 in Atlanta but Eastern carried the most passengers worldwide in 1985. Now that's a serious downfall. The public was...Jump to post
Delta: https://twitter.com/airlinefilings/status/1098704982545580032 Haneda-Seattle; Haneda-Detroit; Haneda-Atlanta; Haneda-Portland; Haneda-Honolulu This amounts to moving the current NRT operation to HND in full. It's worth noting that they applied for 2 HNL-HND frequencies, so they do seem commi...Jump to post
and yet, factually speaking, DL is growing internationally in/out of DTW when you compare 3Q 2019 to 3Q 2018 per OAG DL: 3Q 2018, International Only - 5,299 Flights - 981K Seats - 3.94 billion ASMs DL: 3Q 2019, International Only - 5,431 Flights - 992K Seats - 4.00 billion ASMs The growth is even m...Jump to post
So Delta is just shifting capacity around so there is really no growth from Delta out of Detroit this summer. and yet, factually speaking, DL is growing internationally in/out of DTW when you compare 3Q 2019 to 3Q 2018 per OAG DL: 3Q 2018, International Only - 5,299 Flights - 981K Seats - 3.94 bill...Jump to post
[photoid][/photoid] Official 2018 numbers are out and posted, up by 3,000 from last year so still a record-breaking year: 38,037,381 1 Delta Air Lines 26,254,595 71.39% 2 Sun Country Airlines 2,349,393 6.39% 3 American Airlines 2,103,725 5.72% 4 Southwest Airlines 1,944,336 5.29% 5 United Airlines 1...Jump to post
Isn't there already a seasonal DTW-YVR by DL? I feel that ATL-YVR needs to be year round so that it can compete with WS new YYC-ATL service as YVR is a way bigger market than YYC. I could see Delta starting DTW-YVR. I think a daily A319 or 737-800 would have sufficient pax loads. And if that's succ...Jump to post
In 2006, Northwest was still flying 747-200s from SEA to MSP. Northwest held on to their 747-200s much longer than United did. It was a shame that Delta retired the freighters. This is not at all accurate, NW didn’t have scheduled service between MSP and SEA after the 1980s. Domestic 747 service on...Jump to post
I think we are seeing the effect of United adding all the used A319s to the fleet. It appears to be a very smart decision. Chinese airlines are slot constrained and dumping relatively young 737-700s and A319s because they need to upgauge. UA is not slot constrained at many airports so they can take...Jump to post
United is EWR + LGA only & they still hold the lead!!! That is extremely impressive. Look at AA and DL. They serve EWR, JFK and LGA and UA is doing extremely well![/quote] Not impressive. CO was always the largest in NYC and UA has continued that trend, especially with their continued growth (w...Jump to post
Questioning where these numbers come from as they conflict with what's on the PANYNJ traffic statistics summary. Strangely, the DL numbers you posted are farther off than the UA numbers (PANYNJ statistics show that both UA and DL grew 2016-2017... What a surprise! Surely you would never post anythi...Jump to post
Anyways, congrats to EWR. I think UA's campaign to make EWR seem like a more relevant option in NYC has been somewhat paying off. Good for Newark! Somewhat? United is the #1 airline in NYC and is increasing their lead over every other airline. That's better than "somewhat". Try "comp...Jump to post
There you go again, assuming AS has no place at DAL, can't possibly compete, and anything they do there can't be demand-based. Why can't you just admit you may have been wrong about AS competing at DAL and see where things go? I tend to agree with you. AS isn't stupid. They aren't going to operate ...Jump to post
CLT pulls well beyond its weight; traffic has doubled since 9-11, and most of it is the connecting variety. Traffic stagnated in 2014-2016, but was up 5% last year, so no, it hasnt been slow for a decade. Is this Alternatereality.net? CLT has only grown about 14% since its pre-recession peak in 200...Jump to post
??? DL already flies to PVG from SEA, LAX, DTW, and ATL. If they wanted, say JFK-PVG, they would've just asked for that. They're applying for MSP-PVG because they want to fly it. The hubs that can support a PVG flight already have one. DL would certainly like a second LAX I'm sure before MSP. They ...Jump to post
DL is proposing MSP-PVG. Given that MSP doesn't have a flight currently, I'd guess they would get priority but DL's position is assuming AA loses its frequencies, there will be room for both the UA and DL flights. Delta has a history of not honoring their proposals. Look at the dance they performed...Jump to post
I see UA asking for the AA slot and moving it to DEN. That would make the most sense for them. MSP is a recipe for disaster in that it will draw locals only, and how many of them will take this given other options? Looks like the DL Route Planning boys are back to their dart board for new markets. ...Jump to post
The problem is that DTW can get a lot of feed from East Coast which simply doesn't work for MSP. Those middle of the country airport to PVG is not a large market. From what cities in the U.S. East with likely China-destination or origin passengers does MSP lack? it's not about the connection but ra...Jump to post
Wow, I’m shocked that UA is dropping DFW-LAX.
Still waiting for DTW-ICN to be added on KE so Detroit can be brought up to speed like SEA and ATL after all Mr. Bastian says DTW is it's gateway to Asia yet it has less flights to Seoul than both ATL and SEA and before the JV it had the most seats to ICN. “It’s our main Asian gateway to the U.S. i...Jump to post