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by pnwpdx
Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20759

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

They trialed this about a year ago on their PDX-NRT flights. At the time of the trial, the starter was offered as an entirely separate course. Looks like they combined the starter and main course into one for the sake of time. Regardless of what one thinks of DL, this is impressive for a YCL servic...

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by pnwpdx
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta transitions BOS to Hub status, names SJC, BNA, and AUS as new focus cities
Replies: 304
Views: 41043

Re: Delta transitions BOS to Hub status, names SJC, BNA, and AUS as new focus cities

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/delta-upgrades-boston-to-hub-status-on-strong-growth-458669/ Amy Martin, managing director of domestic network planning for Delta spoke at the Jumpstart conference, and she revealed a few details(some of which were already known) including: "Delta has...

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by pnwpdx
Thu May 30, 2019 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

I do hope someone captured some photos!! Same here! Wouldn't have made it from PSU to PDX on MAX in time and couldn't miss class today. First A350 for PDX too! A300: FedEx A310: Air Transat A318: ? A319: United, Alaska, Delta, America West, US Airways, Virgin America, Frontier, Spirit, etc. A320: M...

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by pnwpdx
Thu May 30, 2019 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /RJAA/KPDX


I do hope someone captured some photos!!
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AS737MAX wrote:
Low ceilings up north at Seatac...looks like a DL A350 just diverted to PDX.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /RJAA/KPDX


I do hope someone captured some photos!!

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by pnwpdx
Tue May 21, 2019 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

^^^ In your NRT and LHR examples, delta has multiple 763 flights into both stations. So they can route a plane HNL-NRT-PDX-NRT-SIN, etc. Delta has no other A330-200s currently planned for HND. Additionally, there are no other A330-200 routes for PDX. So the exact same tail number would have to go b...

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by pnwpdx
Mon May 06, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Looks like today is the first day of FRA-PDX ops on Condor. Currently airborne over Greenland. I believe LHR-PDX kicks off next week, I think the 11th too. Very glad to see these again. PDX-LHR starts 5/9. Plane comes from ATL. LHR-PDX starts 5/10. That may be the last 763 ride ATL-PDX for a while....

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by pnwpdx
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

I'd like to see what makes up this net 1.1% growth for March before agreeing that "growth at PDX has stalled". Remember also the MAX issues (WN at PDX) and then also some bad weather in PDX and around the country that caused cancellations, too. The travel season doesn't really start in ea...

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by pnwpdx
Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Growth at PDX has stalled. In March 2019 total passenger traffic was up a paltry 1.1%. The lack of commitment from ULCCs and absence of new nonstops to fill unserved routes is taking its toll. Fewer people are willing to take 8-hour connecting flights to and from unserved or underserved (seasonal o...

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by pnwpdx
Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

I am unsure why so many people feel as if DL should or is going to get the lions share of the slots several carriers applied for. Because the other two US carriers, AA and UA, have existing Joint Ventures with Japanese Airlines with hubs at NRT (JAL and ANA). Delta is the one US carrier that has no...

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by pnwpdx
Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 765
Views: 132815

Re: US-Japan agree on additional Haneda slots; DOT to allocate

Delta: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2019-0014-0005 In order of priority: 1. Seattle (SEA) 2. Detroit (DTW) 3. Atlanta (ATL) 4. Portland (PDX) 5. Honolulu #1 (HNL) 6. Honolulu #2 (HNL) I wonder if DL will keep some NRT operation.... what happens to MNL and SIN service? I guess we w...

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by pnwpdx
Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Has anyone else noticed how much Delta or the Port is investing in advertisements for the PDX-LHR flight? I have seen many billboards around the city, commercials, promos with local news stations and advertisements on magazines. I really hope they do very well on this route to make it year round. L...

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by pnwpdx
Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 765
Views: 132815

Re: US-Japan agree on additional Haneda slots; DOT to allocate

Nicknuzzii wrote:
When do we find out which proposals are awarded?


First post states:

Procedural Timetable:
Petitions for Reconsideration February 14
Answers to Petitions February 19
Applications February 21
Answers February 28
Replies March 7

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by pnwpdx
Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

^^^ I did PDX-YVR-PDX. Something like 13 of the people on the flight were connecting to YVR-FRA I think Air Canada pulls a lot of pax from here and sends them around the world. This might be a newbie question, but bear with me here. If those folks are utilizing YVR as their connection point, does t...

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by pnwpdx
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

I know I vent here a lot, but, once again, lack of Asia flight to a hub is hurting me... Just had to book PDX-SEA-ICN-XXX, and HKG-SEA-PDX. If Korean flew to ICN, I could have skipped a leg... Also doing PDX-SEA-LHR in two weeks... no non-stop and want later afternoon flight. -- I know we can't hav...

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by pnwpdx
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

Has anyone else noticed how much Delta or the Port is investing in advertisements for the PDX-LHR flight? I have seen many billboards around the city, commercials, promos with local news stations and advertisements on magazines. I really hope they do very well on this route to make it year round.

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by pnwpdx
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 84911

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2019

They are getting passengers from PDX! You cannot look at a SY seat map to figure out loads, some people do not select seats ahead of time which is then free at check in. But here are a few loads from this next weeks flights... 1-9: PDX-HNL: 15 of 183 seats remaining 1-11: PDX-SFO: 35 of 183 seats r...

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by pnwpdx
Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

toobz wrote:
PDX based flight crews only fly AMS and NRT.


I was on the DL JFK-PDX flight last week and it was a Portland based crew.

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by pnwpdx
Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Let us know if/when you get a response from them... :D A non-stop to PEK should be priority #1. My company sends people all the time to visit suppliers in China. The Delta flight to Tokyo doesn't work for connections. So it's up to Seattle or down to SFO/LAX to get to China. We don't need more flig...

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by pnwpdx
Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

PDX Portland International Airport November 2018 Traffic (compared with November 2017) Total: 1,595,521. +4.4% Domestic: 1,537,803. +3.3% International: 57,718. +43.9% Year to date: 18,281,928 +4.4% Cathay Pacific Cargo 581 tons +21.3% This is great news for PDX! The Port recently published an arti...

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by pnwpdx
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Booked a couple more international trips this week... really hard in the winter to use the PDX-AMS for Europe stuff... Prices were crazy expensive for business class. And one flight a day doesn't give me as many options as I was ok with in the past. Summer is a bit easier with the LHR and even the ...

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by pnwpdx
Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Whats going on in SEA today (11/20)
Replies: 36
Views: 4270

Re: Whats going on in SEA today (11/20)

Which PNW city received the most diverted flights? Looks like GEG. 13 SEA-bound flights during the wx situation. PDX was surprisingly light on diversions from what I see. PDX got the DL PEK flight DAL128 https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL128/history/20181120/0420Z/ZBAA/KPDX Along with: DAL2147...

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by pnwpdx
Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

It looks like SEA is experiencing fog delays. We are getting some of their diversions at PDX and likely more to come.

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by pnwpdx
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta and Haneda
Replies: 97
Views: 15419

Re: Delta and Haneda

This is a very interesting discussion. I think this is where the final product for Delta goes: LAX-HND SEA-HND SEA-NRT PDX-HND MSP-HND DTW-HND ATL-HND HNL-NRT KOA-NRT (future) Here is why I think this is the final product. First, I think SEA could totally serve both NRT and HND as it is the lowest ...

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by pnwpdx
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

In another thread it’s stated that DTW-LHR is going 2x daily. I know that DL splits their LHR slot running 4x/week PDX and 10x/week DTW. With DTW-LHR going 2x daily what will happen to PDX-LHR? Hopefully we don’t lose our only connection to the UK. Some are saying that it's coming from the PIT-CDG ...

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by pnwpdx
Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Today's Delta AMS-PDX flight was delayed a few hours: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL179 Delta flew in a backup A333 from ATL https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9944 Must have been a busy scene at Customs and Immigration as the flight from Heathrow arrived about 30 minutes earlier. Flyin...

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by pnwpdx
Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

Well, since BA announced LHR-PIT, DL is now going to end CDG-PIT. In essence, I'm sure Delta wouldn't be very thrilled to have Europe competition at PDX, and if BA were to ever end up in PDX somehow, I'm sure that Delta would pull their LHR flight and maybe even reduce AMS as well... My hope is tha...

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by pnwpdx
Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

I'm honestly starting to lose faith in the POP's ability to attract and retain airlines and routes. The airport continues to see growth in passenger traffic and we aren't seeing all that much growth in service, even seasonal service. I understand some routes are starting earlier in the season than n...

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by pnwpdx
Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:36 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Int'l Routes that are underserved/not served
Replies: 93
Views: 6588

Re: Int'l Routes that are underserved/not served

FA9295 wrote:
PDX-CDG (not served)
PDX-ICN (not served)
PDX-LHR (underserved, could probably work year-round instead of just summer seasonal)
IND-LHR (not served)


I agree with the PDX routes. I can definitely see CDG operating on the days that LHR is not operating for Delta.

I could also see PDX-CUN.

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by pnwpdx
Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

The fact is both Delta and Alaska funnel as many people they can to Seattle or Los Angeles and with that, PDX will be left out on major expansion from the nationals. I believe the next major international flight will be from a foreign carrier. Some of the intl airlines at SEA even admit they depend...

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by pnwpdx
Sat May 12, 2018 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

I was told they upgauged the aircraft today to ship a bunch of damaged ULD containers. Guess they repair them ATL which makes sense. Looks like the return flight from NRT was cancelled. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL68 Anyone else notice that Volaris is running day time flights on Saturday...

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by pnwpdx
Sat May 12, 2018 4:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2565
https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL2565/115792ac


Looks like they’re using it Portland-Tokyo too.


Was anyone able to catch a picture of this bird?
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jbpdx wrote:
FA9295 wrote:


Looks like they’re using it Portland-Tokyo too.


Was anyone able to catch a picture of this bird?

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by pnwpdx
Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 1408
Views: 131282

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

There isn’t really a great analogue situation that I can think of in the US where you have two large CSA’s that are relatively close together. Without a doubt, Seattle has more people, a larger economy, a wealthier population, more sources of business traffic, and more global name recognition. Does...

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by pnwpdx
Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL to end NRT-ROR and SPN
Replies: 55
Views: 7968

Re: DL to end NRT-ROR and SPN

We saw this coming. They've been winding the NRT hub down for years, and the KE JV only sealed the deal. I'd give PDX-NRT a few years at most, and NRT-SIN will probably be gone in a year The PDX-NRT is an interesting case. Don’t forget it is a very short PDX-SEA flight, and from Seattle you can the...

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by pnwpdx
Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

I'm sad to report, as a long time Alaska booster, I'm jumping ship in 2018. As my travel grows, Alaska's operational reliability (I am simply not willing to connect in SEA with Horizon) scares me. Less emotionally, Alaska cutting ties with Delta, and now to a large extent, American, means I can't g...

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by pnwpdx
Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

The flight must be doing decently. It resumes earlier next season in March instead of May. Service terminated this season on 4 October, had been scheduled to run until late October. As of now the schedule shows it resuming on 4 May, not in March as earlier indicated. What a bummer! Everyone in PDX ...

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by pnwpdx
Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

After about a month into the service, does anyone know how DL is doing with PDX-LHR on their seasonal/4 times a week service?

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by pnwpdx
Fri May 26, 2017 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

I noticed after I commented that it had already been announced. Sorry. I didn't get the email from the POP until Thursday 5/25. DL's flight to LHR starts today 5/26! Hope it's successful! Looks pretty full, but not sold-out. Anyone booked on it?? I wish I was on that flight! I'll be flying out this...

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by pnwpdx
Tue May 23, 2017 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

jbpdx wrote:
The long-awaited Delta PDX-LHR nonstop begins Friday, albeit only 4 days a week and seasonal. Icelandair goes to 6 days a week next month, Condor @ 4 days a week.


Are there any days this summer where we will see all 4 Europe flights flying out of PDX?
PDX-AMS
PDX-LHR
PDX-KEF
PDX-FRA

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by pnwpdx
Wed May 03, 2017 3:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Evidently AA connections in CLT to Europe and the east coast are where most PDX originations are going. Must not be enough SA connections. But you can get pretty much anywhere through CLT and DFW southward. But I feel ya, must just not be enough to go N/S to MIA. Still think, eventually AS or AA wi...

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by pnwpdx
Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

Was the JFK 763 daily or a once weekly equipment rotation? It would rotate NRT-PDX-JFK-Europe and the return would be JFK-PDX-NRT I'm certain this route was daily M-F on the 763. It lasted for a couple of months. This year it looks like they have 757's on the route. Is DL using 763's on their mid d...

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by pnwpdx
Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

AS has just announced daily year round PDX-JFK and PDX-DTW! Great adds and well overdue! https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-04- ... os-Angeles This is wonderful news!! It's been great watching AS connect the dots and steadily grow at it's PDX hub the past few years....I wonder what other routes ar...

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by pnwpdx
Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 722
Views: 86686

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 14

With Portland growing like I keep hearing it is, SEA up the road, LA down the road, and a major competitor with a true to life hub in Portland- is there any room for a year round HNL service? I believe NW/DL operated on a 753 for around 3 plus years? Its been said it would lose money, but fares fro...

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by pnwpdx
Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13
Replies: 287
Views: 31614

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

I just noticed that Delta has 3 flights to LAS today and 3 LAS-PDX. Yesterday, it looks like Delta has three LAS-PDX flights and two PDX-LAS flights. And three PDX/LAS flights tomorrow. Does Delta now have seasonal flights to LAS from PDX?

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by pnwpdx
Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13
Replies: 287
Views: 31614

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

*Norwegian adds Paris-Portland 787. [Portland has disappeared from Paris airports' new route wish list on therouteshop.com, so either someone has it planned or they scrapped hoping for the route.] *Hawaiian adds 2nd HNL flight using A321neo. *American adds PDX-MIA year round. *Southwest goes year r...

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by pnwpdx
Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13
Replies: 287
Views: 31614

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

What are your 2017 predictions for PDX? I'll start: PDX-MIA will be announced. A new PDX-Asia route will be announced. My guess is JL to NRT, KE to ICN or CX to HKG. PDX-CDG summer seasonal will be announced on DL. DL will go year round on PDX-HNL. BA announces PDX-LHR. AS adds PDX-DEN/PHL/IAD/ABQ/...

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by pnwpdx
Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13
Replies: 287
Views: 31614

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

In another thread, they were talking about ANA and possibly another NRT route. I wonder if two PDX-NRT flights might be too much?

Maybe a seasonal ICN or PEK flight might be more logical?

flyboy80 wrote:
Given the international numbers-- Is there enough traffic to justify another Asia flight, perhaps ICN?

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by pnwpdx
Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where will ANA fly to in the US next?
Replies: 82
Views: 9252

Re: Where will ANA fly to in the US next?

Would ANA start NRT-PDX even though DL currently serves the route? Has anyone heard more about the DL NRT hub and what's going on with that? They got rid of JFK, aren't they getting rid of the LAX-NRT route as well? I would hate to see DL vacate the route as I am a DL FF. I wouldn't say AUS is out o...

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by pnwpdx
Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How does Delta operate NRT-MNL
Replies: 31
Views: 8319

Re: How does Delta operate NRT-MNL

I was on the flight from NRT-MNL on October 12th and as we were taxiing to the gate at Terminal 3, the Purser on the flight made an announcement stating that it was their Manila based crew member's last flight and the passengers applauded the crew members. The reason being is the downgrade in aircra...

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by pnwpdx
Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 11
Replies: 204
Views: 18286

RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 11

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/lhpdx" class="quote" target="_blank">lhpdx</a> (<a href="#113" class="quote">Reply 113</a>):<br/><i/></font></td></tr></table> And maybe Virgin ...

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by pnwpdx
Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 10
Replies: 221
Views: 16520

RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 10

Well this could get interesting... I hope we don't loose our Delta to Tokyo-Narita flight. This flight is very convenient whenever I fly to Asia. <a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2016/01/portlands_only_flight_to_asia.html#incart_river_home" target="_blank">http://www.oregonlive...

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