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by Jetport
Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 1017
Views: 140503

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

More 550s coming it looks like. I can't remember how many they are planning on converting. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/100968-arizonas-mesa-airlines-ends-crj700-operations Mesa Airlines has concluded CRJ700 Srs 701ER operations on behalf of United Airlines and will proceed to lease all ...

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by Jetport
Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 1017
Views: 140503

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Post pandemic, which I believe is soon, will UA again look at 100 seaters like the A220 or ERJ-195E2 which would allow them to unlock additional 76 seaters for Express. If the pandemic has taught the airlines anything, it's that fleet commonality has some major advantages. The US 3 had huge expense...

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by Jetport
Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

Oil prices are going to start playing into this at the rate they are increasing If one could accruately predict future trends on the price of oil, one would be quite wealthy. Remember how all the projections caused big airlines to hedge their oil purchases and then the price sank and they all got b...

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by Jetport
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

This idea that having 2 aircraft types vs. 1 type somehow is good insurance if one type is grounded is ridiculous. Losing a large percentage of your aircraft during normal times (high load factors and utilization) is almost as bad a losing your entire fleet. Your airline will basically have to shut ...

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by Jetport
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 9615

Re: Airbus A220 sales campaign thread 2021

I still see lots of potential of the A220 in the Airbus portfolio. And we're NOT talking about selling the A220 over the A320! Airbus totally controls A220 pricings anyways. If it feels a 319neo (or a A319/A320neo pkg) could be a good fit for a particular client, it will price it accordingly (and j...

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by Jetport
Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 9615

Re: Airbus A220 sales campaign thread 2021

(Taxi645) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost -------‐------------------------------- Good point. The cash cost of doing the A220 over the 320 would be bad for Airbus. Take into account the opportunity cost of doing the 220 over the 320 and it would exponentially worse for Airbus. I stil...

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by Jetport
Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

Where did you hear that a220-300 are more expensive than max7? By all account, JetBlue and delta both got theirs at rock bottom prices. The trip cost for a220-300 for JetBlue is estimated to be 20 to 25% less than a320. How many extra seat do you think 737 will have? No one doubts the trip cost for...

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by Jetport
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 9615

Re: Airbus A220 sales campaign thread 2021

Due to the low utilization profile, I foresee HA getting pre-owned A320s or even A319s for the intra-island rather than inducting a new family. HA has the highest (in normal years) cycle utilization that I am aware of. Use the FAA tracker: https://av-info.faa.gov/sdrx/Query.aspx Using to find frame...

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by Jetport
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

Hyberbole ??? Let`s say your estimated trip cost of a few hundret $$$ is in the ball-park of 400 $ only. Take six rotations per day and sometimes a fleet of 300 aircrafts and you are in the 2.5 billions regions !!! Wishful thinking don`t help the beancounting CEO`s at all And all you need to do is ...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

I'm in favor of the A220 for WN. I doubt it will happen. It is inevitable that the Max 7 & will go head with head to head with DLs & B6s A220s. In that match up the 220s will win every time either forcing WN off the given routes or have them operating them at a loss because you can only cha...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 9615

Re: Airbus A220 sales campaign thread 2021

How motivated is Airbus to sell A220? That is the right question, isn't it. How much short to medium term pain is Airbus willing to endure to make the A220 successful? As I stated in the Southwest A220 thread, the opportunity cost for every A220 sale that could have been a A319/20 sale is many mill...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

I'm in favor of the A220 for WN. I doubt it will happen. It is inevitable that the Max 7 & will go head with head to head with DLs & B6s A220s. In that match up the 220s will win every time either forcing WN off the given routes or have them operating them at a loss because you can only cha...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 9615

Re: Airbus A220 sales campaign thread 2021

............................I personally think the A220 would be a great island hopper, but I'm not seeing Cebu Pacific order anytime soon, nor ANZ. HA is always discussed, but they are such a tough case due to utilization, it would take trials to prove the airframe and in particular engine that I ...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

I can't imagine any program has ever taken half a decade to break even on a cash flow basis. How long did the 787 take to become cash-flow positive? This seems especially odd considering the lack of EU jobs this program will produce. What have EU jobs got to do with it? I would assume on a cash flo...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Sales Campaigns and Prospects Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 12114

Re: Airbus A330neo Sales Campaigns and Prospects Thread - 2021

Aside from shaking down DL to take a few frames, the remainder of lease frames for Starlux and the line air Greenland frame who else is taking or able to take frames? Who would Airbus even target for more sales? This is sounding a lot more like the a380 order book in 2018 While it's not a great ord...

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by Jetport
Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

This will be a time for Airbus to show its hand. Does it want A220 to become a cash cow (or at least calf) or is it happy to keep it an interesting side project? It will take a miracle to make the A220 a cash cow or even a calf. As long as the 737MAX, A320NEO and E2 are out there with far lower cos...

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by Jetport
Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

This will be a time for Airbus to show its hand. Does it want A220 to become a cash cow (or at least calf) or is it happy to keep it an interesting side project? It will take a miracle to make the A220 a cash cow or even a calf. As long as the 737MAX, A320NEO and E2 are out there with far lower cos...

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by Jetport
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

Of course, I would imagine WN would want the flexibility to convert to any future A225 should Airbus launch it... I think WN might want a firm commitment to an A220-500 with 175-seat capacity in WN's configuration. They'd order enough to make it worthwhile for Airbus. FWIW I think their future M&am...

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by Jetport
Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

Those are all sunk costs. Boeing already spent that money, they can’t unring that bell. Whether Boeing (and Airbus with the A220) make money now is dependent on cost to build vs selling price. Obviously Boeing would love higher margins to recuperate as much or their investment as possible faster, b...

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by Jetport
Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 1017
Views: 140503

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Q&A from pilot townhall regarding A350 and 764 Q. What is the status of United's A350 order as well as the B767-400 return to service? A. The A350 is still on the order book, but not scheduled until 2027. The B767-400 airplanes will remain in storage and only ferry out and back to storage for s...

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by Jetport
Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:48 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: RIP Christopher Plummer
Replies: 7
Views: 743

Re: RIP Christopher Plummer

Plummer was great in Star Trek VI as the Shakespeare spouting Klingon General Chang.

"I am constant as the northern star." General Chang (Christopher Plummer)

"You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon." Chancellor Gorkon

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4Q20 $/ops comparisons AA/DL/UA/WN/AS/B6
Replies: 29
Views: 6675

Re: 4Q20 $/ops comparisons AA/DL/UA/WN/AS/B6

Delta is extending the middle seat block through April. Must be working for them. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2021/02/08/delta-plans-block-middle-seats-through-april-amid-covid-pandemic/4435773001/ Not surprising given lousy booking trends. As soon as bookings pick up and thi...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4Q20 $/ops comparisons AA/DL/UA/WN/AS/B6
Replies: 29
Views: 6675

Re: 4Q20 $/ops comparisons AA/DL/UA/WN/AS/B6

Delta is extending the middle seat block through April. Must be working for them. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2021/02/08/delta-plans-block-middle-seats-through-april-amid-covid-pandemic/4435773001/ Not surprising given lousy booking trends. As soon as bookings pick up and thi...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 425
Views: 66581

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

This is a good point. Chances are the routes the 76Ts flew will be taken over by the A330-200 fleet, and the existing A332 routes take over by A330-900neos and A350-900s as they are added to the fleet. I just don't see how the economics will work. The A332 is a much heavier aircraft with much more ...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 1017
Views: 140503

Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

With many reports discussing that international travel will now stay mostly closed until 2023, how will this affect the UA fleet and network? Will they need as many hubs in the next few years with international travel staying at a minimum? Will they just keep hubs dormant until international travel...

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by Jetport
Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPS fleet
Replies: 98
Views: 22179

Re: UPS fleet

Article on A300 upgrades. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ups-gives-old-jets-life-100000599.html The article states : " It’s all part of new Chief Executive Officer Carol Tome’s strategy to “sweat the assets” by increasing efficiency while reducing investment." AFAIK the decision to upgrad...

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by Jetport
Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16304

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

Boeing is a public limited company, which means that shareholders are liable only by the shares that they own. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if liabilities exceed assets (as in "negative shareholder equity"), but if memory serves me, in many jurisdictions company directors are crimi...

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by Jetport
Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16304

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

..... 170 billion $ liabilities and -18 billion $ equity is matched by 152 billion $ assets. Assets include the 15 billion $ deferred production costs of B787. Since I don't consider that an asset, I consider Boeing's equity rather like -33 billion $. Since aviation is in mess, it's hardly surprisi...

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by Jetport
Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021
Replies: 773
Views: 87171

Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ups-give ... 00599.html
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A300's getting new flight computers, not sure if anyone has posted this yet. Looks like UPS plans to be the last A300 operator.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ups-give ... 00599.html

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by Jetport
Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16304

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

Lots of evidence free speculation and Boeing bashing on here today. Now back in the real world, Boeing was able to sell $9.825 billion in bonds today at 175 basis points above US Treasuries. Lots of bond buyers willing to buy Boeing debt for pretty modest returns. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boe...

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by Jetport
Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16304

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

Lots of evidence free speculation and Boeing bashing on here today. Now back in the real world, Boeing was able to sell $9.825 billion in bonds today at 175 basis points above US Treasuries. Lots of bond buyers willing to buy Boeing debt for pretty modest returns. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boei...

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by Jetport
Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Sales Campaigns and Prospects Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 12114

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

If Delta's finances are healthy enough by next year, I wonder if they will take the last X number of A330NEO's off the line and remaining white tails at an incredible price. Other than their A350's, Delta appears to have gotten the best pricing ever on all of their recent orders (A330NEO, end of li...

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by Jetport
Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16304

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

COVID won't be forever. Traffic will eventually return and so will the market for 300-plus seat aircraft. It will still be a long time before it's back to 2019 levels, and airlines will be hit hard, even those that survive. Will enough airlines be able to afford a large aircraft? And will this all ...

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by Jetport
Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Sales Campaigns and Prospects Thread - 2021
Replies: 76
Views: 12114

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

If Delta's finances are healthy enough by next year, I wonder if they will take the last X number of A330NEO's off the line and remaining white tails at an incredible price. Other than their A350's, Delta appears to have gotten the best pricing ever on all of their recent orders (A330NEO, end of lin...

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by Jetport
Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 57
Views: 15052

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Does anyone know exactly what date JetBlue A220 will enter service? I think an educated guess would be that nobody knows the answer at this time. By nobody, I mean not even JetBlue. If someone knows better, please enlighten us all. I think JetBlue has a good idea: https://www.jetblue.com/flying-wit...

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by Jetport
Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The case for more aircraft production cuts/playing chicken
Replies: 609
Views: 71201

Re: The case for more aircraft production cuts/playing chicken

From Covid reference thread: HNA is bankrupt, Many subsidiaries with mostly narrowbodies that will find new homes on Chinese market. Only Hainan Airlines has big number of young WB's: 38x787, 33xA330 and 2xa350. Current fleet of Hainan Airlines according to Wikipedia: Aircraft names In Fleet Orders...

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by Jetport
Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The case for more aircraft production cuts/playing chicken
Replies: 609
Views: 71201

Re: The case for more aircraft production cuts/playing chicken

Look, Airbus are going to the A220 ramp up eventually anyway. What I'm saying is that doing more of that ramp up now in stead of ramping up the A320 is LESS costly now than it will be if you do it later. Ramping up the A320 is not free money if the market is not ready to take them yet. The market w...

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by Jetport
Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023
Replies: 128
Views: 16304

Re: Boeing Posts $8.4 Billion 4Q Loss ($11.9 billion full year loss), Delays 777X to 2023

Boeing double upgraded at Morgan Stanley. "Boeing got all the bad news out in its “kitchen sink” earnings report on Wednesday, sending earnings estimates down and providing a “clear runway for Boeing” stock, Liwag said, according to Bloomberg." https://www.thestreet.com/investing/boeing-do...

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by Jetport
Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4Q20 $/ops comparisons AA/DL/UA/WN/AS/B6
Replies: 29
Views: 6675

Re: 4Q20 $/ops comparisons AA/DL/UA/WN/AS/B6

Thanks for putting this together! It is very useful to have all of this information succinctly summarized in one place!

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by Jetport
Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS reports Q4 2020 Results
Replies: 8
Views: 2413

Re: AS reports Q4 2020 Results

Alaska thinks recovery will be quite fast, 80% of 2019 capacity this summer. I saw interview on CNBC with Alaska President that was very upbeat. He was very excited about the Max reducing costs through fuel savings, reduced maintenance costs and fleet simplification (retiring the A320's). Alaska's r...

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by Jetport
Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The case for more aircraft production cuts/playing chicken
Replies: 609
Views: 71201

Re: The case for more aircraft production cuts/playing chicken

Alaska thinks recovery will be quite fast, 80% of 2019 capacity this summer. Looks like a very well run US domestic airline disagrees with most of the pessimistic armchair airline analysts on this thread. Also saw interview on CNBC with Alaska President that was very upbeat. He was very excited abou...

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by Jetport
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 39
Views: 12553

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Has anyone calculated the "likely to actually be delivered" backlog for the A330NEO? Can this realistic backlog (also accounting for white tails) keep the line running for another year or 2?

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by Jetport
Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: PHL runway 8
Replies: 25
Views: 3207

Re: PHL runway 8

I have landed on 26 many times, I don't recall ever taking off on 8, though I may have forgotten. Do commercial aircraft ever take off on 8?

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by Jetport
Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The case for more aircraft production cuts/playing chicken
Replies: 609
Views: 71201

Re: The case for more aircraft production cuts/playing chicken

Fascinating thread, thanks for all the great insights Lightsaber and everyone else. I still think the leisure rebound will be surprisingly robust as soon as the developed world gets vaccinated and countries fully open to tourism. I have a question on the A321xLR hype, which I think is more than a li...

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by Jetport
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times' D Gates Looks at Boeing Strategy and Situation
Replies: 32
Views: 6230

Re: Seattle Times' D Gates Looks at Boeing Strategy and Situation

I have read enough aviation articles by Dominic Gates now that I must ask, why does he hate Boeing so much? Everything about Boeing is pejorative in every article. Did Boeing fire his dad, did kids whose fathers worked for Boeing beat him up constantly as a kid? Also, he essentially gives John Leahy...

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by Jetport
Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines orders more Boeing MAX 9
Replies: 135
Views: 17753

Re: Alaska Airlines orders more Boeing MAX 9

This is a win-win and a no-brainer for Alaska. Though it is not new news, it is still surprising how high Virgin America's lease rates were. I guess smaller, younger airlines like Virgin America are poor credit risks and have to pay through the nose for aircraft.

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by Jetport
Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

Except the 737-7 is a less comfortable, more fuel using, more noisy aircraft that everybody turned their back on, that would have to compete with the more efficient aircraft of the compititors for the next 25 years. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aerotime.aero/rytis.beresnevicius/24559-airbus-a22...

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by Jetport
Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

I still think the odds of an A220 order from LUV are very low. Southwest never overpays for aircraft, and Airbus desperately needs higher pricing for the A220 since the program is bleeding cash with no end in sight. The only way Southwest orders the A220 is at Delta type pricing, which is just too l...

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by Jetport
Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order
Replies: 636
Views: 102635

Re: Southwest maybe considering an Airbus order

The only way LUV ends up with the A220 is if Airbus sells them at Delta pricing, that is not going to happen. The A220 program has to reduce costs and increase pricing to ever be profitable, even on a cash flow basis (excluding development costs). I would bet that the A220 loses more money per unit ...

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