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by Grizzly410
Wed May 25, 2022 8:28 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Elementary school shooting in Uvalde, TX
Replies: 519
Views: 12824

Re: Elementary school shooting in Uvalde, TX

There is a mental health crisis in this country, which government banning things won't help. While I agree with the reasoning leanding to the part of your conclusion I don't understand the second part. AFAIK nearly nobody wants a ban, just some form of regulation. And I'd find a sensible move to st...

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by Grizzly410
Wed May 25, 2022 9:07 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Elementary school shooting in Uvalde, TX
Replies: 519
Views: 12824

Re: Elementary school shooting in Uvalde, TX

They can't even do that in nations where guns are heavily regulated (see the numerous gun massacres in Paris since 2001). 14 mass shootings in France since 2001. Wait what ? Would you be so kind to point to a source for this claim, because Wiki disagrees. And frankly can't recall that much shooting...

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by Grizzly410
Thu May 19, 2022 9:51 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 20
Views: 6730

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Seems the Firefighting option mentionned to be explored in the Indonesia order press release last year is getting real and could be ready before the end of this year :shock: Only found this source in spanish. Hopefully will be reported in english soon... https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mos...

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by Grizzly410
Wed May 18, 2022 3:50 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 20
Views: 6730

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Seems the Firefighting option mentionned to be explored in the Indonesia order press release last year is getting real and could be ready before the end of this year :shock: Only found this source in spanish. Hopefully will be reported in english soon... https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/most...

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by Grizzly410
Fri May 13, 2022 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 146
Views: 41892

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

It looks like the FAA is still not happy with the 787 Documentation from Boeing. Wonder when the 787 deliveries will resume. For details go to: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-faa-finds-boeing-787-certification-documents-incomplete-sources-2022-05-13/ The very first ...

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by Grizzly410
Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:43 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Embraer KC-390 News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 266
Views: 80892

Re: Embraer KC-390 News and Discussion Thread

India a possible customer? India has 12 Hercs and is interested in expanding its military transport/lift by another 6. Given the S-400 purchase, there is a possibility of future US sanctions. For security of supply, might India buy some C-390's? The article linked below says that Embraer has pitche...

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by Grizzly410
Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:54 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Embraer KC-390 News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 266
Views: 80892

Re: Embraer KC-390 News and Discussion Thread

India a possible customer? India has 12 Hercs and is interested in expanding its military transport/lift by another 6. Given the S-400 purchase, there is a possibility of future US sanctions. For security of supply, might India buy some C-390's? The article linked below says that Embraer has pitche...

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by Grizzly410
Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:22 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: 2022 F1 Season News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 170
Views: 14699

Re: 2022 F1 Season News and Discussion Thread

Interesting Read from the Race. Which race gets the scrap next year with Vegas confirmed and China and Qatar back on the calendar. The current deal doesn't allow any more than 24 races. Which these 3 races and Russia out its at 25. This article states that Spa. Monaco or France is at risk (pleas bi...

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by Grizzly410
Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: 2022 F1 Season News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 170
Views: 14699

Re: 2022 F1 Season News and Discussion Thread

Less than a week until El Plan comes to fruition. :bouncy: 24h left before realising how heavy is the cinder block of reality on the fruit tartlet del Plan ? I really want Alpine to succeed but even though they seem to be happy with the new engine I'm afraid they won't actually come much closer to ...

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by Grizzly410
Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:34 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

I still can't believe LM won't include the cargo door. Even Boeing way back in 1961 with the KC-135A included that in their graphics/aircraft: https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1494775452669399041?s=20&t=oiUOCLWvu2R3kOP-IBSR4w Maybe I misunderstand you but if a cargo door is needed on KC-Y...

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by Grizzly410
Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:44 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

This "A330neo production remains in Toulouse. A330 MRTTs ordered by non-US customers will be assembled and militarized at the current facilities in Toulouse and Spain..." confirms what I said actually. It's just a new A330ceo line specific for LMXT, Toulouse keeps its historic A330 line a...

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by Grizzly410
Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:47 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Well if money is an issue, why get a middle man involved, simply buy the a/c direct from Airbus and save the millions that would be going to LM. No penny pinching, just getting the product from a OEM who actually produces a jet tanker versus a local OEM reseller. Just a thought. Not a bad idea at a...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:03 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Very clear now, from Leeham: "“We will transition the assembly line for the A330s to the United States and transitioning all conversion lines from Spain to the United States,” said Larry Gallogly, director of the LMXT program. The A330 tooling and production lines moved to the US are for the A...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:39 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Main A330 line won’t move from Toulouse. The line for LMXT would just need one or two structural assembly station and a ground testing position. A FAL calibrated for a modest output rate with the arriving more or less complete and no need for cabin outfitting and testing. And there’s also no need to...

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by Grizzly410
Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:23 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Leeham is saying Lockheed Martin is going to reveal more details about the assembly plans of the LMXT: https://leehamnews.com/2022/01/24/lockheed-near-announcing-location-for-lmxt-tanker-final-assembly-line-in-us/ The tidbits so far is that Mobile, AL or Marietta, GA are the lead contenders. LM wil...

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by Grizzly410
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 157
Views: 55632

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty first test flight at TLS! (I really wonder what's going on here...I think you might be on to something "Devilfish" in reply #34!): If I were, Airbus is (major problem aside) being overly meticulous with it. KU doesn't strike me as an airl...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:41 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Leeham is saying Lockheed Martin is going to reveal more details about the assembly plans of the LMXT: https://leehamnews.com/2022/01/24/lockheed-near-announcing-location-for-lmxt-tanker-final-assembly-line-in-us/ The tidbits so far is that Mobile, AL or Marietta, GA are the lead contenders. LM wil...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q1 2022
Replies: 516
Views: 37924

Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q1 2022

I go along with the view of the Norwegian health authorities (partially) when they say that 5-11 year olds are better protected by getting omicron rather than being vaccinated. I have trouble understanding how it can be worse to get a vaxx protecting against getting covid and hard effects rather th...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:55 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q1 2022
Replies: 516
Views: 37924

Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q1 2022

I go along with the view of the Norwegian health authorities (partially) when they say that 5-11 year olds are better protected by getting omicron rather than being vaccinated. I have trouble understanding how it can be worse to get a vaxx protecting against getting covid and hard effects rather th...

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by Grizzly410
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:22 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Australian Open 2022
Replies: 334
Views: 16403

Re: Australian Open 2022

According to the BBC, papers filed by Djokovic's lawyers claim his vaccine exemption was based on a positive Covid test on 16th December. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59920379 Tennis star Novak Djokovic had a vaccine exemption to enter Australia after a Covid infection on 16 December,...

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by Grizzly410
Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus goes legal as Qatar Airways jet row escalates
Replies: 1232
Views: 216661

Re: Updated: Airbus goes legal as Qatar Airways jet row escalates

zeke wrote:
Polot wrote:
Again, you have no proof that QR did not follow such advice.


The photos, the Qatar CAA grounding them.


If the photos mentionned are the one from a Reuters article the thing is even if you dont know the root cause and a definite solution you dont leave deteriorate that much. That's it.

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by Grizzly410
Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus goes legal as Qatar Airways jet row escalates
Replies: 1232
Views: 216661

Re: Updated: Airbus goes legal as Qatar Airways jet row escalates

On the technical aspect as an EASA delegated signature holder for wing structural design of an aircraft with composite wings I completely second Zeke in earlier posts, in the sense it's just incredible to have left the situation deteriorate to this point. At the moment of the picture it's been a whi...

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by Grizzly410
Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:26 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 20
Views: 6730

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Given UK original order was 25, later reduced to 22 it makes sense there is a small capacity gap needing to be fullfiled. As Herc fleet is confirmed going to retirement (EDIT : IIRC, I feel like saying something stupid there, but kind of remember that) the question between topping up the existing fl...

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by Grizzly410
Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus goes legal as Qatar Airways jet row escalates
Replies: 1232
Views: 216661

Re: Qatar Airways has grounded 13 A350’s at the request of the Qatar Aviation regulator

Airbus seems fed up with one-of-its A350 customer ongoing mischaracterisation of non-structural surface degradation on its fleet of A350... https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2021-12-airbus-preparing-for-an-independent-legal-assessment-in-response-to Safety is Airbus’ top priority. Th...

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by Grizzly410
Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:13 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: F1 - 2021 Season
Replies: 1121
Views: 71213

Re: F1 - 2021 Season

Dutchy wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
Max V needs to learn how to respect the race rules. His bully boy tactics will cost him dear.
And the FIA stewards are on to him now.,he needs to learn, and quick.


that's one-sided and not quite fair.


Both had their childish (mental game?) moment, that's for sure.

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by Grizzly410
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: F1 - 2021 Season
Replies: 1121
Views: 71213

Re: F1 - 2021 Season

Eventful race but result surprinsingly in line with what was expected.Red Bull didn't have the pace but did all they could to challenge the dominant Mercedes, very good job of the two team again!! What a championship ! Race direction & stewards needs to get their act together quick though. Their...

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by Grizzly410
Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:54 am
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Website is over-moderated
Replies: 271
Views: 37297

Re: Website is over-moderated

Yes this kind of data.
Is it possible to take one month to average better the number ? And contrast with the volume of new posts and thread over the same period ?

Got me curious about the 4 new user post disapproval. What is this, an application from bot ?

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by Grizzly410
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:23 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Website is over-moderated
Replies: 271
Views: 37297

Re: Website is over-moderated

Asking to the mods team, would you be able to pull out some stats of the moderation workload and support you receive from the users?


Maybe it could help figure out better if the forum is over-moderated or not :)

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by Grizzly410
Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:06 am
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Website is over-moderated
Replies: 271
Views: 37297

Re: Website is over-moderated

Yet a moderator chose to end the discussion. Why? We were all being perfectly civil and discussing aviation. The result is I have started a new thread, appropriately titled, and I have no doubt it will be flamed and eventually locked also. Are we just to start a new topic anytime a tangent within a...

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by Grizzly410
Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter
Replies: 1858
Views: 327988

Re: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter

One can argue for years about what is or isn't an order, what s sure now after DAS2021 is that A350F does have interest from customer and Airbus is commited to build it. The first OEM to claim the segment gains a big advantage to basically take it all, and Airbus did a nice move in this directon. If...

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by Grizzly410
Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:41 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 111
Views: 25449

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

I think the no. 1 capability that would improve its versatility is reduced cost and increased reliability. More aircraft for the same budget are always helpful. Other than that, increases to the MTOW and MZFW could be interesting but none of the current operators seem to have a desire for more capa...

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by Grizzly410
Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:48 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 111
Views: 25449

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

It's again small but an order is an order, good news for the program as Indonesia eventually purchase 2 A400M and sign LOI for 4 more. https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2021-11-indonesia-ministry-of-defence-orders-two-airbus-a400ms The order was expected for a long time now, rumor wa...

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by Grizzly410
Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:52 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: F1 - 2021 Season
Replies: 1121
Views: 71213

Re: F1 - 2021 Season

From outside it looks like a racing incident but if there was a deliberate effort by Max to run Lewis off track and not leave space then yes that is a penalty. There have been penalties for this already this year such as Austria when Checo and Leclerc did almost the same thing twice IIRC. Austrian ...

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by Grizzly410
Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:01 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What is in Britain's future?
Replies: 114
Views: 5882

Re: What is in Britain's future?

Ireland should go into Schengen as well, IMO. Most Irish would probably not agree. It would break the Good Friday Agreement and Common Travel Zone with its biggest trade partner by far, and the current system gives it more control over its border and immigration. The UK and Ireland share immigratio...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:55 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Training missions are usually between 3-5 hours and the jets generally fly once a day or every other day. Unless they’re going somewhere they’re also nowhere near optimum altitudes/airspeeds. Certainly not long enough and/or often enough to be a slam dunk case for winglets when compared to the tech...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:30 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

This isn't about capability, quality, truth or track record. It's about perceptions. If I were Airbus I wouldn't even try. Boeing and its supply chain really need this order, lets not waste time. If they just have to deliver a proven platform Airbus doesn't waste time and money, they're not taking ...

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by Grizzly410
Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:44 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 334
Views: 45049

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

What would be the worksharing there ? Does something like this would make sense ? Airbus provides A330 sections to a new US FAL (in Mobile) and build green A330s Lockheed design the military systems (comms, defense...), re-use Airbus Defense&Space boom system (pods too, I'd think), and perform t...

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by Grizzly410
Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:52 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 111
Views: 25449

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Not sure about Europe, but the USML has it covered either way. Category VIII section 12 for airial refueling aircraft and section VIII section 14 for roll on roll off transport. Not sure about the cost though. You would think not installing the system would save you millions in aquision cost vs the...

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by Grizzly410
Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:18 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 111
Views: 25449

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Kazkhstan orders 2 A400M https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/image/content/dam/products-and-solutions/military-aircraft/a400m/A400M-KAZ-2.jpg?wid=991&fit=fit,1&qlt=85,0 https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2021/09/the-republic-of-kazakhstan-orders-two-airbus-a400ms.html Upon c...

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by Grizzly410
Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: F1 - 2021 Season
Replies: 1121
Views: 71213

Re: F1 - 2021 Season

That was a complete and utter farce. Frankly a disgrace that points were awarded for following the SC for two laps. It’s an insult to any driver that actually raced and won F1 points. How can two laps behind the SC constitute “racing”? Even drivers are saying this is a nonsense. There has to be a r...

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by Grizzly410
Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:17 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 111
Views: 25449

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

A French A400M dispensing flares during takeoff from Kabul. https://twitter.com/air_intel/status/1429162130926940160 I've read various explanations for this, the one I found the most compelling is that it's a bug: the open landging gear doors extend beyond the aircraft's sponsons, and as they close...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter
Replies: 1858
Views: 327988

Re: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter

As for profitability, you do have to work harder when you have a larger number of smaller orders and A350 itself may still not be out of the woods with regard to profitability, but that may be the only path open to them. Surely selling pax A350s can't be easy under the current circumstances. Nope, ...

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by Grizzly410
Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: European Commission Vaccination Strategy News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1526
Views: 107340

Re: European Commission Vaccination Strategy News and Discussion Thread

Effectively EU states are now some of the most highly vaccinated places in the world. Seems the EC actually didn't manage the procurement as bad as some would like us to believe. This blogpost explain rather well what was key to turnaround a bad start : "in acknowledging that the EU did not get...

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by Grizzly410
Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter
Replies: 1858
Views: 327988

Re: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter

I get the impression that Airbus has announced their intent to build a A350F, but they haven’t yet decided what exactly that means: do they target the mid-level market with a cheaper A359-based option? Do invest an extra couple Billion and create a highly-optimized model of a new length been 900 an...

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by Grizzly410
Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A321XLR Development Production Testing Thread - 2021
Replies: 238
Views: 69137

Re: Airbus A321XLR Development Production Testing Thread - 2021

Someone has asked this before, just to put it as record, the first A321XLR MSN is 11000. More information on the coming together of different parts are here: https://www.stelia-aerospace.com/en/stelia-aerospace-livre-les-premiers-elements-de-la321xlr-assembles-sur-ses-sites-de-meaulte-et-rochefort/...

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by Grizzly410
Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Euros 2020 thread
Replies: 420
Views: 21036

Re: Euros 2020 thread

gkirk wrote:
Turkey were poor yes, but Italy were very impressive with their pressing, and vvery ambitious going forward compared to conservative/defensive Italian team of past.


That's a bit the Italy 2.0 we are promised, but make no mistake : if it comes to it they'll master a catenaccio defense ! :D

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by Grizzly410
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus focus is on evolving existing jet models, CEO says
Replies: 129
Views: 19175

Re: Airbus focus is on evolving existing jet models, CEO says

A220-500, A320Plus, A322NEO, A350-2000, A350 Ultrafan, A350-950F, MAWS, A330NEO MRTT. So many derivative programs to spend billions.. A350-950F, A322NEO, A220-500 looks like no brainers to me. A350-2000, A350 Ultrafan, seems like good ideas for later if the market warrant it A320Plus, I'm not convi...

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by Grizzly410
Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:55 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 120
Views: 29748

Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

How do you expect a company having to commit by contract to a number they can't really appreciate what it would cost them given the vollatility of the market ?
I'd take some margin, like they probably did.

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by Grizzly410
Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:53 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: F1 - 2021 Season
Replies: 1121
Views: 71213

Re: F1 - 2021 Season

No comment on Vettel´s race ? It seems he finally got the Aston Martin user guide ! I have to confess I was concerned by a huuge mistake of him at the restart but he did absolutely great just like his whole race :checkmark: Alonso did also a great restart, he brings needed points for this unconsiste...

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by Grizzly410
Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bloomberg: Airbus Backs Lightweight Wing to Preserve Its Lead Over Boeing
Replies: 273
Views: 48223

Re: Bloomberg: Airbus Backs Lightweight Wing to Preserve Its Lead Over Boeing

Will Airbus wings continue to be designed and built in the UK? To avoid the mountains of red tape created by the UK’s disastrous exit from the EU, it may well make sense to build wings inside the customs union. Just one example, Romania built BAC-111s, and wages there are probably half what they ar...

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