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by klm617
Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW 1983 airport master plan
Replies: 15
Views: 2738

Re: DTW 1983 airport master plan

It is masterplan for 1983’s DTW or masterplan of DTW published in 1983 Thats would be great difference since the first one would be published in late 1960s-early 1970s Masterplan of DTW published in 1983. I mentioned up thread what the late 1960s plan for DTW looked like: a south terminal similar t...

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by klm617
Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

Complete nonsense if you adjust for inflation. Please give one example. DTW-FRA in the low season 1980 was less than $500 all in with TWO checked bags now that same ticket at the very least is $1000 plus baggage fees and extra cash if you want the same personnel space you had back in 1980. You are ...

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by klm617
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

GalaxyFlyer wrote:


That's just industry propaganda.

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by klm617
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

If you think passengers are paying more for less you are either under 25 or have no concept of the time value of money. I grew up in the deregulation era and I assure you I'm paying a lot more now than I was then and getting less. The only real plus today over flying in the late 70's and early 80's...

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by klm617
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

Yeah, trickle down economics isn’t working, certainly not for passengers who pay ever more for ever less, If you think passengers are paying more for less you are either under 25 or have no concept of the time value of money. I grew up in the deregulation era and I assure you I'm paying a lot more ...

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by klm617
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

I think it's more of an issue of price fixing. US airlines seem to refuse to compete on price and put a lot of effort into matching prices. They almost act as a cartel. Umm...they do compete on price, and that’s why the other airlines match. Because otherwise most of the business would go to the ai...

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by klm617
Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW 1983 airport master plan
Replies: 15
Views: 2738

Re: DTW 1983 airport master plan

It's surprising there wasn't a walkway from the proposed G Concourse to the international terminal; this would have made it easier for people making connections. I don't really know the distance between end of G and the International terminal, but passengers using the Intl Terminal probably were O&...

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by klm617
Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

A few things here: Using PDEW data from the FL era is inherently flawed; FL, like other new entrants was able to enter markets and offer un-sustainability low fares that artificiality increased demand in the market until the service ended. FL was able to leverage its low operating costs and cheap n...

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by klm617
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

Suppression in air markets most certainly exists. I am surprised so many think otherwise. A big reason is that you don’t have a true free market. In the US you only have 3 large legacy airlines that, outside a few large markets, don’t generally like to compete with spoke flights from an opponents h...

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by klm617
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

If an airline suppressed the market, there would be unserved demand, another airline would enter. This would be the opposite of predatory pricing, it would, however, be harming the incumbent airline, if they were choosing not to serve demand that is not there. Long story short, not sure this is a t...

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by klm617
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

They still get to their destinations, don’t they? DL is a profit making enterprise, you have to expect them to organize their services appropriately. BTW, when an airline reduces service from 3/day to 1/day, they’re just shifting the supply curve to the left which creates a new equilibrium price fo...

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by klm617
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

If an airline suppressed the market, there would be unserved demand, another airline would enter. This would be the opposite of predatory pricing, it would, however, be harming the incumbent airline, if they were choosing not to serve demand that is not there. Long story short, not sure this is a t...

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by klm617
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Market Surpression within Markets
Replies: 77
Views: 4671

Re: Market Surpression within Markets

There is no such thing as "market suppression" Your claim fails to see one gaping flaw. If an airline was "suppressing" the market on a particular route, wouldn't it behoove a competitor to come in and compete? Not if the said carrier is powerful enough to run you out of the mar...

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by klm617
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread
Replies: 77
Views: 7443

Re: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread

I find it quite interesting that we have come full circle back to planes the size of the 707 and original DC8s.

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by klm617
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1102
Views: 138146

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Loads from May of 2019 are out and here they are: American Airlines CLE-MIA: 95% CLE-LGA: 81% CLE-JFK: 91% CLE-DFW: 81% CLE-CLT: 89% CLE-ORD: 84% CLE-DCA: 75% CLE-PHL: 82% United Airlines CLE-LGA: 85% CLE-ORD: 87% CLE-CUN: 94% (2019-02) CLE-LAX: 90% CLE-MCO: 90% CLE-SFO: 84% CLE-EWR: 73% CLE-IAD: 8...

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by klm617
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1102
Views: 138146

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

FI was about to return to CLE after 5x weekly last year in a market that was 9x weekly (with the four from Wow). It was confident in the CLE market and dropped it (and Halifax and TPA) because of the Max8 issue. They didn't really lose face to the public, but only to those who had tickets then didn...

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by klm617
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1102
Views: 138146

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

FI was about to return to CLE after 5x weekly last year in a market that was 9x weekly (with the four from Wow). It was confident in the CLE market and dropped it (and Halifax and TPA) because of the Max8 issue. They didn't really lose face to the public, but only to those who had tickets then didn...

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by klm617
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1102
Views: 138146

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I have heard from a pretty reliable source that as soon as the MAX is up and running they are returning to CLE.

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by klm617
Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL
Replies: 316
Views: 54691

Re: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL

DL196 MNL-ICN looks like it will connect with SEA (same flight number), MSP and ATL (of the DL-operated flights). Won’t connect with DTW as it leaves ICN in the morning. DL197 ICN-MNL will be able to take pax from SEA (again same flight number), DTW and MSP but not ATL as that arrives ICN at the cr...

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by klm617
Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:01 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: If you were to start an airline, what would be your business strategy/plan?
Replies: 17
Views: 1219

Re: If you were to start an airline, what would be your business strategy/plan?

I'd try and find new markets to duplicate JSX. Maybe find sufficient funding to grow the operation larger faster and gain economies of scale.Perhaps in Europe. My first bases or operation would be FRA and LGW and I would connect those with places like PIT,DTW,CLE,STL and the like with less that dai...

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by klm617
Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your least favorite aircraft type ?
Replies: 104
Views: 7019

Re: Your least favorite aircraft type ?

Boeing 737 800/900

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by klm617
Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL
Replies: 316
Views: 54691

Re: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL

Which flights will DL’s MNL service connect to/from at ICN? Can anyone give details such as flight number and destination/origin? I’m guessing DTW, MSP... LAX? ATL? DL196 MNL-ICN looks like it will connect with SEA (same flight number), MSP and ATL (of the DL-operated flights). Won’t connect with D...

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by klm617
Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Could an unpressurised passenger jet ever become competitive?
Replies: 70
Views: 8789

Re: Could an unpressurised passenger jet ever become competitive?

One of the biggest problems would be noise no one wants a jet flying over their house at such a low altitude.

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Norwegian offers bondholders security (LGW slots) in exchange for amended bond maturities
Replies: 134
Views: 3232

Re: Norwegian Air Fights for Survival

I don't know that. Provide any proof they were "in trouble" prior to Level starting? Are you saying their earnings declined when they started expanding? Well, duh. That's not in trouble. Username checks out. What's the 11 in the quote I responded to? An airline can be suffocated anywhere ...

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 94
Views: 10987

Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2019

[twoid][/twoid] Seems high for one way. But maybe it isn’t. A little surprised KEF isn’t higher though. So maybe one way makes sense. I wonder how the FI data was calculated since they are not daily. Was the O/D just divided by 7 and if that's the case the FO loads would be almost double what this ...

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will Turkish Airlines launch flights to Dallas/Fort Worth in the near future?
Replies: 38
Views: 3345

Re: Will Turkish Airlines launch flights to Dallas/Fort Worth in the near future?

Detroit makes much more sense with its huge Middle Eastern diaspora, TK's extensive network in the Middle East will guarantee the success of IST-DTW. You think Chaldean Christians want to go back to Iraq? Middle East destinations are already served well one-stop from DTW by DL/AF/KL and RJ. Um, for...

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: If you were to start an airline, what would be your business strategy/plan?
Replies: 17
Views: 1219

Re: If you were to start an airline, what would be your business strategy/plan?

May plan? Identify my most profitable and best customers, and focus on them. While that sounds logical, it doesn't always have to be the best plan. The problem with the most profitable customers is that there are so little of them. That means you can never grow really big. The market is like a pyra...

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:11 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: If you were to start an airline, what would be your business strategy/plan?
Replies: 17
Views: 1219

Re: If you were to start an airline, what would be your business strategy/plan?

My plan would be to start a base of operations and then fly to markets where the fares are extremely high and create my own market share. I would offer fares at 25%-50% off what the full service carriers charge. I would stay out of the major markets where competition is stiff and the legacies don't ...

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 94
Views: 10987

Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2019

Very interesting data posted by Justin Meyer, not sure if this is one-way or both ways combined: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDkZtbQXsAEkJK9?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDkf2KyXkAIflxh?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDkofIqW4AArUfO?format=jpg&na...

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Norwegian offers bondholders security (LGW slots) in exchange for amended bond maturities
Replies: 134
Views: 3232

Re: Norwegian Air Fights for Survival

IAG created Level just to drive Norwegian out of business. If it weren’t for Level and the MAX debacle, Norwegian would be doing fine. IAG’s strategy for shafting Norwegian has worked. The end result will be a further increase in the 80%+ market domination of the 2 ATI JVs. Congrats. Wrong (again)....

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Norwegian offers bondholders security (LGW slots) in exchange for amended bond maturities
Replies: 134
Views: 3232

Re: Norwegian Air Fights for Survival

Where DY went wrong is they should have been operating 2 and 3 times weekly flights from London to places like CLE and PIT with their narrowbodies instead of places like SWF and PVD where the market decided what the price of tickets would be and with over capacity they had no pricing power. Yeh, be...

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Norwegian offers bondholders security (LGW slots) in exchange for amended bond maturities
Replies: 134
Views: 3232

Re: Norwegian Air Fights for Survival

Where DY went wrong is they should have been operating 2 and 3 times weekly flights from London to places like CLE and PIT with their narrowbodies instead of places like SWF and PVD where the market decided what the price of tickets would be and with over capacity they had no pricing power. Yeh, be...

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by klm617
Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Norwegian offers bondholders security (LGW slots) in exchange for amended bond maturities
Replies: 134
Views: 3232

Re: Norwegian Air Fights for Survival

Didn't BA's flights from LGW to FLL and OAK have an impact too, as well as BA re-launching LGW-JFK and LGW-LAS? Sure, plus DL is now adding LGW next year too. This airline isn't dying because its business model is poor, it is dying because the legacy alliances led by IAG ganged up to suffocate it t...

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by klm617
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th
Replies: 151
Views: 19401

Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

I think GRR, CVG and OMA are great choices. They are all markets with no competition where Midwest will have a bit of leverage when it comes to pricing unlike all these other carriers that pile on in New York, Boston, Chicago and the like where they can only charge what the market will bare do to ov...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Future of DFW (future routes, future airlines Etc)
Replies: 31
Views: 2506

Re: Future of DFW (future routes, future airlines Etc)

Not gonna lie... I feel like we get this thread at least twice a year... here we go. DFW-HEL/MAN/TPE/PTY/BCN/KIX/AKL/MEL/BNE/BOM On, I don't know? Finnair, Iberia, Aer Lingus, Cathay Pacific? More Qantas/Australian routes since the JV just got approved today. Because DFW is the center of the univer...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta transitions BOS to Hub status, names SJC, BNA, and AUS as new focus cities
Replies: 304
Views: 41593

Re: Delta transitions BOS to Hub status, names SJC, BNA, and AUS as new focus cities

The SJC piece is a bit of a head scratcher and the quote from the actual article doesn't clear much up. "The carrier plans to grow capacity by ...23.1% in San Jose this year, schedule show." So this growth is already reflected in their schedule? Has any new service been announced in their...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta transitions BOS to Hub status, names SJC, BNA, and AUS as new focus cities
Replies: 304
Views: 41593

Re: Delta transitions BOS to Hub status, names SJC, BNA, and AUS as new focus cities

ucdtim17 wrote:
DL is over 5 (!) times bigger at SFO than at SJC, but SJC is the focus city?


YUP just the Delta propaganda machine ad it again. GRR comes pretty close to the same capacity as AUS and SJC but yet it's not a focus city

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta transitions BOS to Hub status, names SJC, BNA, and AUS as new focus cities
Replies: 304
Views: 41593

Re: Delta transitions BOS to Hub status, names SJC, BNA, and AUS as new focus cities

One can only guess where the capacity reduction is coming from to fuel the 14% growth at BOS when system wide the growth is only 4%

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1102
Views: 138146

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

We should probably all just face the hard fact that Icelandair will likely never return to Cleveland. They’ve tarnished their reputation and reliability to the point that no business travelers, or even some leisure travelers for that matter, will want to risk flying them. They were continually trim...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 6/19: Dublin's bubblin' ...
Replies: 225
Views: 27402

Re: Irish 6/19: Dublin's bubblin' ...

Airliner routes on twitter confirmed this will happen from 2nd Aug. Not sure where the A321LR will be deployed in July. (MSNs for 1st 3three aircraft are 8887, 8909, 8965) https://twitter.com/Airlineroute?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor From Dublin, AerLingus A321neo LR to se...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1106
Views: 118023

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Maybe it hasn’t been loaded yet. Already confirmed it's a negative for DTW. Definitely a shocker. They would have given WN and DL a run for their money. I make frequent trips up to DTW, and I would have loved a dirt cheap option to get up there. Really not a schocker at all I never expected them to...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1106
Views: 118023

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

fsafsx wrote:
Ha ha i love this seeing dtw keep getting passed up! Good for bna.


Thank you it keeps driving my point home which everyone on here disagrees with. The proof is in the pudding.

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1106
Views: 118023

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Maybe it hasn’t been loaded yet. Already confirmed it's a negative for DTW. Definitely a shocker. They would have given WN and DL a run for their money. I make frequent trips up to DTW, and I would have loved a dirt cheap option to get up there. Good to see both of DTW's major carriers now giving t...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Tried To 'Trap' Its Own Flight Attendants
Replies: 96
Views: 19400

Re: Delta Tried To 'Trap' Its Own Flight Attendants

I think the bigger issue is why are the employees directly or indirectly leaking internal company matters to a “media” outlet. In most organizations airing internal company matters as such could be worthy of termination. I question if this was actually sent out my anyone even remotely involved with...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 6/19: Dublin's bubblin' ...
Replies: 225
Views: 27402

Re: Irish 6/19: Dublin's bubblin' ...

WIll DUB-BDL be one of the first A321NEO routes? Airliner routes on twitter confirmed this will happen from 2nd Aug. Not sure where the A321LR will be deployed in July. (MSNs for 1st 3three aircraft are 8887, 8909, 8965) https://twitter.com/Airlineroute?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?
Replies: 56
Views: 7130

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

CLT and SLC maybe close in local passengers but CLT revenue is likey much higher thanks to banking. Charlotte is the #2 or 3 banking center in the USA Let's be clear banking and financial center are not the same thing. Just because it's the number 3 banking center doesn't mean really much of anythi...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?
Replies: 56
Views: 7130

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around, DTW is more of a connecting point while MSP is more O&D. Could someone provide more data on this? Regardless, I have long contended both SLC and DTW are underutilized for a connecting standpoint in the DL network. I agree 100% there sure are but it's a...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?
Replies: 56
Views: 7130

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

ual763 wrote:
It surpassed CLT for one reason and one reason alone, all the skiers going there for winter vacations. Whereas most airports are busiest in Summer, SLC is unique in that it is very busy in Winter.


It doesn't matter why they di

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by klm617
Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?
Replies: 56
Views: 7130

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Yes, I believe that once SLC’s new terminal opens, DL will build the hub up to rival DEN. SLC will grow from 157 mainline/281 total peak flights to 222 mainline/504 peak flights than UA offers at DEN. Therefore, I expect DL to place an order for ~50 aircraft soon, just to account for SLC growth. Th...

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