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by klm617
Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest Orient and Northwest Airlines
Replies: 57
Views: 10199

Re: Northwest Orient and Northwest Airlines

My memory of your timeline is a little different and I was flying them during the livery changes. "Orient" was dropped well before the 'bowling shoe" livery, may 2 to 3 years. "Orient" on many aircraft was just taken off. The 727's we flew out of Guam (93/94) were all forme...

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by klm617
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates drops FLL
Replies: 88
Views: 12894

Re: Emirates drops FLL

Reading this forum over the years, MIA charges airlines higher fees than FLL so maybe EK found their business case didn't close with MIA's more expensive fees. As for cruises, I took a cruise once (and probably never again, it's not my cup of tea) out of the Port of Miami but flew in/out of FLL. Ai...

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by klm617
Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates drops FLL
Replies: 88
Views: 12894

Re: Emirates drops FLL

But doesn't Miami have more cruise traffic. If that's what they were after why chose FLL over serving MIA Reading this forum over the years, MIA charges airlines higher fees than FLL so maybe EK found their business case didn't close with MIA's more expensive fees. As for cruises, I took a cruise o...

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by klm617
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)
Replies: 32
Views: 1121

Re: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)

The new SAS livery. The new American Airlines. The new Lufthansa. The latest KLM livery with the wavey line. The straight cheatline was so much better. I can only say one thing about this: stop living in the past. Personally I find each of these liveries an improvement over the previous one. Not th...

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by klm617
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:41 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)
Replies: 32
Views: 1121

Re: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)

VSMUT wrote:
The new SAS livery.
The new American Airlines.
The new Lufthansa.
The latest KLM livery with the wavey line. The straight cheatline was so much better.



I agree 100% these are all a step backwards. I like the KLM 70s and 80's livery the best.

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by klm617
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates drops FLL
Replies: 88
Views: 12894

Re: Emirates drops FLL

I suspect the main business was cruise ship workers. Between the cruise contracts, the VFR traffic who do know where FLL is, the local O&D, and whatever other business traffic there is, that should have been more than enough to run 266 seats 4x weekly. Without the cruise industry, it's game ove...

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by klm617
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates drops FLL
Replies: 88
Views: 12894

Re: Emirates drops FLL

EK was getting nothing out of JetBlue at FLL. They went to FLL because hardly anyone else was there. DY only had a couple of routes IIRC, and BA joined later. I know this is "permanent" but there's no such thing in this industry. I can see them return in a few years. Only question is whet...

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by klm617
Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates drops FLL
Replies: 88
Views: 12894

Re: Emirates drops FLL

EK only flew to FLL because of their agreement with Jetblue. EK was getting nothing out of JetBlue at FLL. They went to FLL because hardly anyone else was there. DY only had a couple of routes IIRC, and BA joined later. I know this is "permanent" but there's no such thing in this industry...

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by klm617
Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which plane is more of an underdog- L1011 or MD-11?
Replies: 5
Views: 386

Re: Which plane is more of an underdog- L1011 or MD-11?

I'd say the MD11 as it was designed when quads and trijets were on the way out. Sort of like the Electra where short haul jets were coming out at the time it was introduced. Keep in mind as well that the MD11 came out almost 20 years after the L-1011 that's why they are still in service. As a passen...

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by klm617
Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates drops FLL
Replies: 88
Views: 12894

Re: Emirates drops FLL

EK only flew to FLL because of their agreement with Jetblue.

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by klm617
Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Then DL or whomever they’re employed by should deny the UE claim. It isn't a matter of denying the claim (although most of the airlines agreed to not contest any of them). It is that when they are recalled they don't show up and then you have to go back through the recall process again with another...

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by klm617
Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:20 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Could the PIT hub have been saved?
Replies: 9
Views: 720

Re: Could the PIT hub have been saved?

PIT was much like Cincinnati. When the merger with Piedmont came about Charlotte was chosen over Pittsburgh. Had US Airways not merged with Piedmont Pittsburgh might still well be a hub today. Remember when US Airways merged with Piedmont they had 5 hubs in a relatively small area CLT, DAY, PHL, PIT...

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by klm617
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I agree, it's an easier pill to swallow having an extra day off vs working the same 40 hrs but now with a pay cut. The other part is by reducing everyone to 30 hrs you create more 30 hr work, example 3 40 hr workers is equivalent to 4 30 hr workers, which helps with furloughs while payroll stays th...

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by klm617
Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I'm most anxious to see what Delta's actual hub network looks like, near term, mid to end of 2021. There's only speculation at this point, but can Atlanta be as efficient with so many less frequencies in the system? The old consensus seemed to be "flowing" traffic over Atlanta was great b...

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by klm617
Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Exactly why not just add hours. In these hard times who's going to refuse extra shifts. It would be hard for me to believe that airlines are not overstaffed at the moment. With the cares package going until the end of September there shouldn't be any issue with keeping the airports staffed. A lot o...

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by klm617
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

In DTW at the B and C concourses and in MSP at the A and B concourses, DGS continues to be understaffed. I’ve had to wait almost every flight for ground crew, and so far 4 flights I’ve operated have been late due to a lack of available ground crew (my record is waiting almost 30 minutes!). To me th...

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by klm617
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

In DTW at the B and C concourses and in MSP at the A and B concourses, DGS continues to be understaffed. I’ve had to wait almost every flight for ground crew, and so far 4 flights I’ve operated have been late due to a lack of available ground crew (my record is waiting almost 30 minutes!). To me th...

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by klm617
Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Trans World Logo - 1980s
Replies: 19
Views: 3765

Re: Trans World Logo - 1980s

I believe the outline logo was just a test livery but was rejected in favor of the filled in letters. TWA also floated a bare metal version of that livery that didn't stick.

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by klm617
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:39 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your favorite airline liveries
Replies: 39
Views: 1365

Re: Your favorite airline liveries

1. Air Jamaica.
2. Aer Lingus.
3. Ariana Afghan

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by klm617
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I really don't think profit and loss is the real issue for Delta in Seattle it's a strategic hub that Delta needs to maintain in the west to stay competitive to Asia in that region. You guys are over thinking this Delta situation in Seattle way to much. Delta is in Seattle for the long haul minus SE...

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by klm617
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Irish 8/20: Angst in August
Replies: 82
Views: 8012

Re: Irish 8/20: Angst in August

Aer Lingus has also ended DUB-MSP

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by klm617
Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Another question is do you think it works against Delta having a split hub in NYC with LGA and JFK.

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by klm617
Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Keep in mind though Delta is better situated in SEA because it's one carrier operating both international and domestic and that has it's advantages, SEA is a great place for Delta and they are there to stay. People forget there is a lot of history and loyalty in the market from the Northwest days. B...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:39 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?
Replies: 33
Views: 1683

Re: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?

DTW. I have literally seen trucks up on blocks in peoples' lawns on approach. Yes but the lakes and the skyline is so amazing. I was going to say Flint but there again the Michigan landscape is so beautiful when you are approaching Flint there are lakes everywhere. I can't really say there are any ...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:55 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?
Replies: 33
Views: 1683

Re: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?

Atlanta Georgia is the most boring I've seen.

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by klm617
Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I know it's pure speculation at this point but what routes internationally do you see not returning ?

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by klm617
Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

For the exact reasons you state above, DL cannot pull down SEA to the same extent it can at BOS. They need to maintain reasonably proportionate capacity levels at SEA if they don't want to cede their market share to AS through the gate allocations. Their moves at SEA are primarily motivated by this...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

An additional factor in the SEA moves is that whether it was profitable or not, they were relying on SEA as their primary TPAC gateway, while BOS is not their primary TATL gateway. So there are a lot of route dependencies at play in SEA, which need to be taken into account before cutting there. Tha...

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by klm617
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/28/2020:SLOW BLEED;AA Cuts LAX-EUG/FAT/MFR/RDM/SAN/SDF,LGA-TYS,ORD-SCE;DL Drops HAV/TGU/BOS Shrinks
Replies: 117
Views: 20439

Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2020:SLOW BLEED;AA Cuts LAX-EUG/FAT/MFR/RDM/SAN/SDF,LGA-TYS,ORD-SCE;DL Drops HAV/TGU/BOS Shrinks

Again a lot of this stuff like all the BOS and SEA flying that everyone is going crazy about being "cut" "butchered" "slashed" isn't operating in July. Remember when everyone got way overzealous about the grand reopening and we'd be jet-setting everywhere the fall, bor...

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by klm617
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Revisiting MH370
Replies: 180
Views: 22137

Re: Revisiting MH370

The guy had waypoints on his sim that pointed nowhere over the southern Indian Ocean. I would like to add this though. Everybody said this guy planned for everything why did he not destroy his flightsim routes before putting his plan into action. He would seem to have been meticulous about every ot...

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by klm617
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:35 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Best USA Climate
Replies: 48
Views: 1800

Re: Best USA Climate

Michigan is absolutely the best. We have all four seasons hereand for the most part the differential between the seasons is not that extreme.

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by klm617
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:33 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which airline is better for connecting between DFW and Osaka - UA, JL, or DL?
Replies: 7
Views: 871

Re: Which airline is better for connecting between DFW and Osaka - UA, JL, or DL?

I wouldn't count on it coming back. I agree with your point, and I had also previously mentioned JL possibly adding SEA-KIX nonstop service if DL drops SEA-KIX nonstop service due to the JL-AS codeshare partnership, significant connecting feed on both ends of the route, JL FF base in Japan, AS FF b...

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by klm617
Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:27 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which airline is better for connecting between DFW and Osaka - UA, JL, or DL?
Replies: 7
Views: 871

Re: Which airline is better for connecting between DFW and Osaka - UA, JL, or DL?

jplatts wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Delta doesn't operate SEA-KIX anymore. It's been indefinitely suspended


I am aware that DL suspended SEA-KIX nonstop service during the COVID-19 pandemic, but SEA-KIX nonstop flights are still showing up on DL's flight schedules starting on 4/1/2021.


I wouldn't count on it coming back.

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by klm617
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:11 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which airline is better for connecting between DFW and Osaka - UA, JL, or DL?
Replies: 7
Views: 871

Re: Which airline is better for connecting between DFW and Osaka - UA, JL, or DL?

I would like to travel to Osaka from Dallas/Fort Worth once the COVID-19 pandemic is over, and I was wondering which of the following connecting options is better ⋅ Connecting to OSA from DFW through TYO on JL ⋅ Connecting to KIX from DFW through SFO on UA ⋅ Connecting...

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by klm617
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Future of Long Island MacArthur Airport - KISP
Replies: 62
Views: 5957

Re: The Future of Long Island MacArthur Airport - KISP

Get DL in here with a few RJ trips a day to ATL and DTW. I don't know what's holding them back - maybe they're afraid with Frontier running ISP-ATL. But Detroit should easily work with 1 or 2 CRJ2s a day. And for American... what is holding them back from adding ISP-CLT?? Probably one of the most h...

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by klm617
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Revisiting MH370
Replies: 180
Views: 22137

Re: Revisiting MH370

If there is evidence it will be contained in the Australian ATSB report, please quote the evidence. Your assertion without any evidence is the Malaysian Government is covering things up, however both Australian and US agencies have looked into the captains home situation including his PC and have n...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian B77F on fire at PVG
Replies: 93
Views: 29285

Re: Ethiopian B77F on fire at PVG

How would this explain the rear cargo door being open ? And why open it giving the fire oxygen to fuel the flames. The 777F does not have fire fighting abilities on the main deck. Only in the lower. Thus, the only way for the fire department to fight the fire would be by opening the door. Yes but t...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian B77F on fire at PVG
Replies: 93
Views: 29285

Re: Ethiopian B77F on fire at PVG

The airline posted an update on their Facebook page stating: Although proper investigation has been started by the country of occurrence and the country of registration and operation, preliminary information revealed that in the final preparation for taxi out, fire was detected in the main deck. Th...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus
Replies: 100
Views: 16592

Re: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus

From an everyday passenger point of view (and passengers who may not be well versed on the issues between PRC and ROC) it's understandable how many can get Air China and China Airlines mixed up. I've had people come up to me saying that they were flying "Canada Airlines" (and even Canadia...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus
Replies: 100
Views: 16592

Re: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus

What? You realized that the govt in Taiwan is 100% democratically elected, right? What ill-informed people? They are legislator that people choose. People in Taiwan ain't stupid. They saw what happened in HK and know that if they sticked to mainland appeasement, KMT-style, Taiwan is good as gone. E...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus
Replies: 100
Views: 16592

Re: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus

It's amazing in this day and age that a little research will tell you that China Airlines is from Taiwan. And we are allowing such ill informed people to hold office and make decisions that impact our lives greatly. Don't change it people need to get a clue if the are going to be in a position to m...

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by klm617
Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus
Replies: 100
Views: 16592

Re: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus

It's amazing in this day and age that a little research will tell you that China Airlines is from Taiwan. And we are allowing such ill informed people to hold office and make decisions that impact our lives greatly. Don't change it people need to get a clue if the are going to be in a position to ma...

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by klm617
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: BRU Getting US Pre-Clearance - Possible New Routes?
Replies: 56
Views: 8482

Re: Rumour: BRU Getting US Pre-Clearance - Possible New Routes

I can see AA returning to PHL when they get the A321XLR. B6 to BOS might be a slight possibility way down the road on the A321XLR. I can also see more European holiday traffic to Florida departing from BRU vs. other nearby Benelux airports once the pandemic is over. If the LH Group ULCC has long-ha...

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by klm617
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: BRU Getting US Pre-Clearance - Possible New Routes?
Replies: 56
Views: 8482

Re: Rumour: BRU Getting US Pre-Clearance - Possible New Routes

Maybe DTW-BRU has a chance on Delta as both Northwest and Sabena served the Detroit Brussels route. Sabena flew Detroit Brussels for almost 9 years.

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by klm617
Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 140
Views: 12726

Re: The Rest of Michigan Aviation Thread - 2020

Interesting very last minute WN adds. Effective July 26 but only showing through August 10, so only for about 2 weeks at this point: STL-GRR 11:45 am - 2:15 pm GRR-STL 2:50 pm - 3:20 pm PHX-GRR 11:10 am - 5:45 pm GRR-PHX 6:20 pm - 7:10 pm During the same time frame MDW is 2x daily, DEN 3x daily, BW...

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by klm617
Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330828

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Information from all sides is the best. That's a false-equivalence trap. Not everyone is equally informed about corporate finance, labor law, or the filings requirements of U.S. public companies. Not every post or source has equal value. The business reporting - not the opinion pieces - of sources ...

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by klm617
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: FI signs new FA contract (after stating will fire all FA and replace with pilots)
Replies: 148
Views: 26085

Re: Updated: FI signs new FA contract (after stating will fire all FA and replace with pilits)

We all like to think we are important, but when push comes to shove we're all replaceable. And that's the problem. If we give a good portion of our lives to something helping to to be where it is today than we should be considered important. This disposable mentality that we are trying to push out ...

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