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by pmartin
Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SZN announce DSS-GVA,STN
Replies: 22
Views: 2175

Re: SZN announce DSS-GVA,STN

Dakar O&D is about 25k for GVA, about 32k for LYS. But GVA revenues are higher, better yield. When it comes to economic and diplomatic links between Lake Geneva region, they are obvious. UN activities and related, large commodity and food sector (oil, agriculture). The leaders in this sector are...

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by pmartin
Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 290
Views: 51211

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2020

https://www.gva.ch/en/Site/Geneve-Aerop ... ds-projets

Here are the projects planned by GVA airports.
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https://www.gva.ch/en/Site/Geneve-Aerop ... ds-projets

Here are the projects planned by GVA airports.

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by pmartin
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Singapore Airlines re-launches Brussels in October 2020
Replies: 41
Views: 7406

Re: Singapore Airlines re-launches Brussels in October 2020

Gva generates double the P2P revenue of dublin or Brussels, with 10% more pax than dublin and 20% more than Brussels. It is the 6th busiest route in Europe in terms of revenue among served and unserved routes, and 16th in terms of pax. But no star alliance hub and yes not the volume to Australia tha...

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by pmartin
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 377
Views: 75069

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

According to well informed source on a French Swiss forum, 40 pdew. And 4th market in Europe in terms of revenues after Paris, Milan and Brussels. Dakar is the main centre of UN activities in West Africa, and the flight should catch a large senegalese community in its French catchment area (Lyon is ...

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by pmartin
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 377
Views: 75069

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

According to the Facebook page of the Swiss embassy in Senegal, Air Senegal has confirmed the opening of a Geneva - Dakar route in 2020. This will be the 4th sub-Saharan African route to open in 4 years, following Air Mauritius, Ethiopian Airlines and Kenya Airways. On top of that, elsewhere in Afri...

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by pmartin
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs
Replies: 180
Views: 33004

Re: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs

Geneva is not a leisure destination, 80pct of its hosts are here for business. It is not a hub, so it has no transfer traffic, only local. And it has one of the best yield, with a lot of business traffic. Being finance (Zurich is bigger), commodity (Geneva is among the top 4 globally with London, Si...

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by pmartin
Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 377
Views: 75069

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

I also wonder if LX really intends to keep ZRH-GVA at 8 daily frequencies in the future or if 4 flights perfectly times to their hub waces wouldn‘t suffice as well. Maybe somebody has some insights on this? I doubt LX would ever reduce frequencies. ZRH - GVA is 85% transfer traffic. Any reduction w...

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by pmartin
Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences
Replies: 70
Views: 12118

Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

It does operate to the French Sector, which was created prior to Schengen to allow France bound passengers arriving on flights from France to avoid entering Switzerland and crossing back into France. It does not operate from the French sector, but Switzerland has comprehensive bilateral agreements ...

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by pmartin
Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific future fleet/route plans
Replies: 136
Views: 27641

Re: Cathay Pacific future fleet/route plans

.[/quote]. Maybe we should’nt rule out Geneva as CX is having a lot of success on its seasonal Christchurch service (Geneva Christchurch similar size populations) and Geneva is the type of niche market CX [/quote] I think you are missing the point, South Island has 1.1 million inhabitants, greater G...

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by pmartin
Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 377
Views: 75069

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Gulf Air plans to open Geneva (and Rome, Milan) in 2020, A321 NeoLR.

"… launch another two to three European destinations in 2020 as its premium-focused expansion continues. Geneva, Milan and Rome are currently under consideration. Gulf Air plans to launch New York, Kuala …"

Source: Capa

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by pmartin
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 377
Views: 75069

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Blerg wrote:
I am surprised they haven't launched Prague before. Do they face competition on the route?


Swiss 5x per week

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by pmartin
Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:15 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Cathay Pacific Europe network
Replies: 18
Views: 2980

Re: Cathay Pacific Europe network

https://www.anna.aero/2019/03/06/100-routes-asias-top-10-airports-non-stop-service/ For Hong Kong, the largest unserved markets in Europe are, in order: - Geneva - Berlin - Prague - Lisbon - Birmingham Which are also among to top 10 unserved markets from Hong Kong. Add Stockholm, Vienna and Dusseldo...

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by pmartin
Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: East African Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 340
Views: 48937

Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2019

The leakage from Lyon and Grenoble is very small, a couple of %. Definitely more than what you can think off. Why do you think, some low cost coach companies started ops recently between LYS/GNB and around to GVA non stop? It is not much about what I think, but the hard fact. Switzerland released d...

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by pmartin
Tue May 28, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: East African Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 340
Views: 48937

Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2019

[/quote]While ZRH and GVA are both in Switzerland, they're entirely different markets. GVA has a huge catchment area in eastern France[/quote] True, GVA catchment area extends to France, but de facto, 70 to 75% of the traffic comes from / goes to Switzerland. mainly Haute Savoie and to a lesser exte...

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by pmartin
Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific future fleet/route plans
Replies: 136
Views: 27641

Re: Cathay Pacific future fleet/route plans

https://www.anna.aero/2019/03/06/100-routes-asias-top-10-airports-non-stop-service/ Top unserved in Europe: - Geneva, Berlin, Prague (although Düsseldorf, Stockholm and Vienna are not counted because they were still served in the considered period). On the list Geneva combines the highest volume wit...

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by pmartin
Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Geneva Airport - Long Haul Concourse
Replies: 12
Views: 3027

Re: Geneva Airport - Long Haul Concourse

The black building is mainly the luggage sorting facility, built n the 90s. So it has always been part of the airport infrastructure, and planned as such. They added a couple of office floors on top, IATA and Swissair back then. The luggage facility is now being expended and modernised for CHF 250mi...

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by pmartin
Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 377
Views: 75069

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

LX is adding aircraft. 10 aircraft (3 CS1 and 7 CS3) instead of 8.

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by pmartin
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion
Replies: 147
Views: 29699

Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

bhxalex wrote:
Very bold move announcing IAH. Is ADD a viable connecting hub for African Oil related traffic or is it too much of a detour from those countries?

It stops in Lomé. Nigeria, Ghana, etc are next door. Connections with ASKY lined to ET.

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by pmartin
Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kenya Airways launches NBO-GVA-FCO-NBO
Replies: 30
Views: 4579

Re: Kenya Airways launches NBO-GVA-FCO-NBO

it was announced in 1990 but never happened because of the 1st Gulf war.

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by pmartin
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kenya Airways launches NBO-GVA-FCO-NBO
Replies: 30
Views: 4579

Re: Kenya Airways launches NBO-GVA-FCO-NBO

continental004 wrote:
Surprised this route hasn’t already existed with the UN traffic, is there not enough of it to warrant a nonstop NBO-GVA?


The flight is triangular, so 2 out of 4 flights are non-stop.

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by pmartin
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kenya Airways launches NBO-GVA-FCO-NBO
Replies: 30
Views: 4579

Re: Kenya Airways launches NBO-GVA-FCO-NBO

For a start, Zurich is connected daily with Swiss. So this market is quite well covered. KQ has not served ZRH for a very very long time. Back then it was very much focused on tourist flow. Since then (mid-nineties), Nairobi has become a big diplomatic hub for Africa with the establishment of the UN...

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by pmartin
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 377
Views: 75069

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread - 2019

Size of UN offices (2015): - New York: 10,000 staff - Geneva: 9,800 staff - Vienna: 4,000 staff - Nairobi: 4,000 staff This should support quite an interesting stream of pax, visitors, conference attendees, etc. But yes, the competition will be intense with ET (another diplomatic stronghold). Which ...

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by pmartin
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

https://www.azal.az/en/article/436
AZAL from Geneva to Baku, 2x per week (Tuesday, Friday), A319 starting 30th Oct.

As a reminder, Geneva is the home of Socar Trading, the trading and marketing hub of Socar, the Azeri national oil company.
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https://www.azal.az/en/article/436
AZAL from Geneva to Baku, 2x per week (Tuesday, Friday), A319 starting 30th Oct.

As a reminder, Geneva is the home of Socar Trading, the trading and marketing hub of Socar, the Azeri national oil company.

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by pmartin
Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2468
Views: 250705

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Zurich has a good link to Boston, and Basel is very close to Zurich (one hour by train). The question is: is there enough substance to justify a flight between BOS and GVA, I think yes, under certain conditions. Jet Blue has mentioned that they were looking for destination that would appreciate its ...

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by pmartin
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2468
Views: 250705

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

4 flights a day to NA, year round. That’s more than nice, Hamburg,Venice, Prague or budapest for that matter. It is more than Athens. I can’t see your point, nobody says that gva is the largest market. May be 4 dailies to NA is enough. But frankly your argument that gva is a rubbish market does not ...

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by pmartin
Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2468
Views: 250705

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

On the premium market, you are wrong, yes. And the numbers speak, i.e. load factors in F/C/economy plus. On market volume, well, it is a limited market with no connections. And ZRH is not far away, competes as Swiss gateway for NA tourists, with many more connections. 4 flights to North America a da...

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by pmartin
Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2468
Views: 250705

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

I am European and educated in Europe. I know Geneva well enough. My sister went to [a fancy private] school nearby. To North America IT IS NOT a premium market hence why you have very few routes. Within Europe it is primarily a leisure market due to its proximity to all the ski resorts. A rich leis...

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by pmartin
Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2468
Views: 250705

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

https://www.gva.ch/en/Portaldata/1/Resources/fichiers/institutionnels/b2b-markets_geneve-aeroport.pdf BOS is a top target for GVA, 34.000 PAX O&D, at par with SFO. And 30% high yield. By the way, some comments make little sense: GVA is not a low cost market, it is in fact one of the highest yiel...

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by pmartin
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

For a start, limited supply extension due to capacity constraints as modernisation work continues in the terminal. It will continue in W18 although there may be some relief at some point. https://www.slotcoordination.ch/documents/2018-04-12_Minutes_SCCG.pdf "Capacity restrictions Measures intro...

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by pmartin
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian cancels Barcelona after less than two months of operations
Replies: 55
Views: 10635

Re: Ethiopian cancels Barcelona after less than two months of operations

The route seems to be doing rather well. Close to 80% load factor in July, split quite evenly between MXP and GVA overall, but with GVA taking the majority (close to 60%) of the business class seats. In a recent interview, ET is talking about increasing frequency to 4x, possibly 5x weekly fairly soon.

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by pmartin
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian cancels Barcelona after less than two months of operations
Replies: 55
Views: 10635

Re: Ethiopian cancels Barcelona after less than two months of operations

The route seems to be doing rather well. Close to 80% load factor in July, split quite evenly between MXP and GVA overall, but with GVA taking the majority (close to 60%) of the business class seats. In a recent interview, ET is talking about increasing frequency to 4x, possibly 5x weekly fairly soon.

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by pmartin
Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian AIrlines News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 210
Views: 41125

Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Starting December

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by pmartin
Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-orAHYBB5M

Nothing new here, but this is how it should look like at the end.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-orAHYBB5M

Nothing new here, but this is how it should look like at the end.

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by pmartin
Thu May 31, 2018 6:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

The airport says it will be delivered on time. It is not a concrete building but a giant assembled mecano. Seems that the elements are now being delivered and the assembly should not take too long. All the foundation work and digging has been completed. 2 years to go to mid / end 2020 the expected i...

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by pmartin
Tue May 29, 2018 9:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

I think that referring to a new terminal is a way of saying that they will replace the actual terminal over time, piece by piece. It is not a second terminal. There has been many studies, like this one. I would doubt that the director just launch crazy ideas in the air, it is not the style. And cons...

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by pmartin
Tue May 29, 2018 7:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

Re: terminal, it is effectively a replacement of the existing terminal, i.e. build a terminal on the same site, a much higher building, and transfer activities over time until 2030. There were plans (Cointrin Vision) of extending the terminal above the motorways. The way Schneider describes it is ba...

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by pmartin
Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: THAI Eyeing MAN, HAM, Return to MAD
Replies: 38
Views: 8987

Re: THAI Eyeing MAN, HAM, Return to MAD

Not an argument... that was over 20 years ago... Air Canada tried, stopped, started again and it worked. This being said, rather see CX or SQ coming to GVA than TG. Germany is really restrictive with MEB3, may explain Hamburg. This is not the case for GVA.

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by pmartin
Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Geneva airport closed
Replies: 10
Views: 2384

Re: Geneva airport closed

Unfair comments: Geneva has only one runway. With heavy snow they have to close the runway to remove the snow. Unlike Zurich with 3 runways.
And it did close all day. Started to reopen by 11am.

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by pmartin
Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Gulf Air unveils growth strategy, upcoming brand refresh
Replies: 110
Views: 26783

Re: Gulf Air unveils growth strategy, upcoming brand refresh

They tried GVA 2011 - 2012. Flights were operated 2 or 3 times a week in a BBJ 737-700 operated by PrivatAir. Flights were dropped due to low demand. They tried MXP and dropped it as well, dropped everything in fact. It was in the middle of the Arab Spring, tanks in the street does not help. In my ...

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by pmartin
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian AIrlines News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 210
Views: 41125

Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Why are you shocked to see gva first vs zrh. Gva makes much more sense, with the international organisations, ngos and a strong commodity hub. For the little story: 60 pct of all tourists from sub-Saharan Africa (business or leisure) coming this o Switzerland concentrate around the Geneva area again...

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by pmartin
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian AIrlines News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 210
Views: 41125

Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

Why are you shocked to see gva first vs zrh. Gva makes much more sense, with the international organisation, ngos and commodity hub. And for the little story, just to make the point: 60 pct of all tourists from sub-Saharan Africa (business or leisure) concentrate around the In the Geneva area agains...

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by pmartin
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad cancelling partnership with Air Seychelles and Air Serbia ?
Replies: 42
Views: 10311

Re: Etihad cancelling partnership with Air Seychelles and Air Serbia ?

The Belgrade route lives on ethnic traffic. The vast majority of the Immigration from the Balkans in Switzerland in in the German part. The immigration in the French part is mostly from Portugal / Spain. Hence massive traffic flows to Porto / Lisbon, more than what Zurich drives in terms of O&D.

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by pmartin
Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad cancelling partnership with Air Seychelles and Air Serbia ?
Replies: 42
Views: 10311

Re: Etihad cancelling partnership with Air Seychelles and Air Serbia ?

This is mostly ethnic traffic, not really sensitive to frequencies. The bulk of the Balkan immigration is Switzerland is in the German part (the French part attracting more immigration from the the Iberic peninsula). If it had not been Air Serbia replacing EZY it would have been Wizz Air or Swiss.

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by pmartin
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

The plane stays one hour in Milan. Probably no deboarding. And no traffic rights neither.

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by pmartin
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

The big difference between GVA and ZRH is transfer traffic. From an O and D perspective ZRH is a fifth to a quarter larger. Fribourg and Neufchâtel are small markets, a tenth of the size of Vaud or Geneva and still GVA captures 70 pct of those markets on average. So to talk about significant leakage...

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by pmartin
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2018
Replies: 399
Views: 59709

Re: Swiss aviation thread - 2018

“The question will never always remain”... Sorry, but there is no question, it is quite clear and well documented. Here attached an O&D market study for Switzerland and neighbouring regions. Bottom line, the O&D traffic is concentrated around the Geneva Lake region (28% of total Switzerland)...

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by pmartin
Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2017 (41)
Replies: 515
Views: 101502

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread 41

OK, I honestly didn't think these stats could be so inaccurate. If I'm not gonna trust the Federal Aviation Statistics, then who do I trust? I don't know about the quality of ZRH reporting, but for GVA it makes no sense. See example on Doha. According to the federal stats, GVA - HKG had a local tra...

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by pmartin
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2017 (41)
Replies: 515
Views: 101502

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread 41

The Swiss aviation statistics for local traffic can’t be trusted (they are pretty accurate for direct traffic). Example Doha has departing pax 19507 direct and local 19711 from GVA, and 24791 direct, 3042 local from ZRH Basically the GVA stats ignores transfer with a ripple effect on all stats to As...

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by pmartin
Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss aviation thread - 2017 (41)
Replies: 515
Views: 101502

Re: Swiss Aviation Thread 41

The figures are from the Swiss Federal Statistics, direct pax. For the 12 months to 30 September ( ie Q4 16 to Q3 17), total departing pax are 25,168 or 50,336 if departures pax are multiplied by 2. That’s 160 pax per flight. About 70 pct load (around January / February typically only 2 flights per ...

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