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by DobboDobbo
Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada Schedules Rouge Replacement Flights For 2021
Replies: 28
Views: 7829

Re: Air Canada Schedules Rouge Replacement Flights For 2021

SueD wrote:
If the merger with Air Transat is completed the very reason for Rouge falls away completely.


Good point this - is AC and TS merge, there will be some duplication.

I can’t imagine them flying in competition with each other (eg AC and TS both flying YYZ-MAN) unless the regulator gets involved.

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by DobboDobbo
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Remarkable that in the midst of a crisis, MAN has seen: (1) the return of Iran Air; (2) the return of Air Canada mainline; and (3) confirmation that it is VS’s #2 base.

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by DobboDobbo
Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

I suspect the reason BA haven’t formally withdrawn the B744 yet is the idea that Virgin won’t survive the winter and with Norwegian effectively nowhere, they want to be in a position to grab market share for summer 2021. Does todays retirement of the B744 mean that BA considers VS / Norwegian are l...

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by DobboDobbo
Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

I suspect the reason BA haven’t formally withdrawn the B744 yet is the idea that Virgin won’t survive the winter and with Norwegian effectively nowhere, they want to be in a position to grab market share for summer 2021. Does todays retirement of the B744 mean that BA considers VS / Norwegian are l...

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by DobboDobbo
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

NWADTWE16 wrote:
typical responses, do you all work for BA? at least get some scratch for your trolling for them sheesh. Nice one VS, live on!


Agreed - just like the last thread it seems as soon as VS is mentioned on here the crayons come out.

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by DobboDobbo
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

I suspect the reason BA haven’t formally withdrawn the B744 yet is the idea that Virgin won’t survive the winter and with Norwegian effectively nowhere, they want to be in a position to grab market share for summer 2021. It’ll be a long road back, but with the summer gone and winter likely dominate...

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by DobboDobbo
Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

Good points - all I’d add is that the deferrals etc do help with the cash flow over the coming months which will obviously help. I thought credit card providers were going to release funds Previously withheld as part of this deal - there is no express reference to this in the press release but I su...

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by DobboDobbo
Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

They are not getting a 1.2b cash influx. Read read read. It's barely 370 million new cash. This it how the 1.2 billion sum adds up: "Shareholders are providing c.£600m in support over the life of The Plan including a £200m investment from Virgin Group , and the deferral of c.£400m of sharehold...

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by DobboDobbo
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

First service into MAN by Iran Air today.

It seems ludicrous to me that in the current economic and health climate a new / resumed route of this nature can be launched, but there we go.

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by DobboDobbo
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of IAG post-pandemic
Replies: 55
Views: 6631

Re: Future of IAG post-pandemic

Well, the pandemic has 'solved' BA's (and others') problem with lack of runways at LHR. ;-) I think an interesting thing to watch will be what happens at LGW (for IAG brand in particular, as well as others) over the next 5 year period and how that affects IAG when we are back in normal times therea...

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by DobboDobbo
Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is the future of LGW? What will it mean for the other hubs?
Replies: 86
Views: 9971

Re: What is the future of LGW? What will it mean for the other hubs?

The mid to long term future of LGW as a facility is secure, assuming the world returns to some sort of normality in a reasonable period of time. This is because London will almost certainly remain an Alpha++ city, and as many posters have mentioned LGW has fantastic mainline rail connections across ...

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by DobboDobbo
Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Quite - the US routes lost at MAN so far (we are not out of this by any means) because of the coronavirus pandemic are VS to LAS, DL to BOS, UA to EWR. (I have since heard that UA intend to return next June - but how much an intention turns to reality remains to be seen and how realistic it is at th...

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by DobboDobbo
Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Sadly it looks as though UA have pulled out of MAN for the time being - incredible what a turnaround this has been when a short time ago the mood music was about adding ORD or IAD - but as with most airlines they are in survival mode right now.

Source: @SPD_travels on Twitter.

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by DobboDobbo
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 773
Views: 112282

Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

Can the Connect Consortium now come back with a clean slate and start again?. Connect Airways? No, as it no longer exists. It entered administration a week after Flybe on 10th March. https://www.ey.com/en_uk/ey-connect-airways-limited-administration From a strictly technical perspective, a company ...

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by DobboDobbo
Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant
Replies: 328
Views: 62442

Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

I think the indefensible element of this is that BA management, in response to a temporary problem, are proposing a permanent set of cuts as well as shedding staff (which they’ve wanted to do for some time). It is obvious to anyone that it is naked opportunism and whether or not it is forced through...

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by DobboDobbo
Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant
Replies: 328
Views: 62442

Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

In relation to this, whilst there is an understanding that BA and other airlines have a requirement to downsize, there is an increasing feeling that BA’s plans go too far, is an abuse of the furlough scheme, and politicians are demanding that government remove and reallocate LHR slots from BA as “pu...

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by DobboDobbo
Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JET2 - what next ?
Replies: 101
Views: 19473

Re: JET2 - what next ?

Long haul has been the failure of many... I still suggest they stick to what they know and apparently do well. Im not sure Florida and Caribbean are necessarily low hanging guarantees... (or ever have been) I think there's room for another player to these markets from the regions now Thomas Cook is...

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by DobboDobbo
Thu May 28, 2020 9:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Would be amazed to see these routes start, it’s been reported today that traffic coming into the U.K. has fallen by 99% and with the new quarantine regulations coming into play next month that is not a situation that is going to change anytime soon. The aviation industry is facing it’s worst crisis...

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by DobboDobbo
Thu May 28, 2020 9:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Why are all these new airlines starting the flights so soon too? Even outside of the current climate that would be quite odd, no? Would be amazed to see these routes start, it’s been reported today that traffic coming into the U.K. has fallen by 99% and with the new quarantine regulations coming in...

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by DobboDobbo
Thu May 28, 2020 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Very probably you're right. I think after the success of Jet Airways on the BOM route, they'd be fools not to keep it on the back burner though. Agreed - a couple of “ifs” but if VS survives and if (perhaps more likely when) the economy gets back to something like normality I’m sure a MAN-BOM route...

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by DobboDobbo
Tue May 19, 2020 11:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

https://airportrumours.blogspot.com/202 ... r.html?m=1
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Remarkably it seems that KU are starting a KWI-MAN service in July (see details and link below).

KU149 KWI 0920 MAN 1410 Tue, Fri, Sun
KU150 MAN 1540 KWI 2355 Tue, Fri, Sun

https://airportrumours.blogspot.com/202 ... r.html?m=1

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 18, 2020 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

I did read somewhere that Delhi is just postponed for this year, does anyone know how true this is? I imagine that the word “postponed” reflects the most politically astute way of saying “cancelled”! It might be postponed in the sense that the aspiration remains to launch Delhi from Manchester in t...

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by DobboDobbo
Sun May 17, 2020 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Lots of silence on this thread as the aviation industry has shut down due to Coronavirus. Some green shoots of recovery as a number of airlines prepare to hopefully restart flying from June / July, but there remains a significant degree of uncertainty (not least the balancing act between reopening ...

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by DobboDobbo
Sun May 17, 2020 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020
Replies: 145
Views: 30173

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2020

Lots of silence on this thread as the aviation industry has shut down due to Coronavirus. Some green shoots of recovery as a number of airlines prepare to hopefully restart flying from June / July, but there remains a significant degree of uncertainty (not least the balancing act between reopening t...

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by DobboDobbo
Wed May 13, 2020 12:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Yes you are right I am saying what it doesn't say. It doesn't say that direct flying will continue from regional airports, only that connections will be offered. Only time will tell what happens but I think it would be crazy to rule it out. I can't see how they would consolidate London ops but stil...

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by DobboDobbo
Wed May 13, 2020 8:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

No mention or use of the word "direct" in the press release, what I see is, connecting, regional and Orlando and Caribbean from LHR. Virgin are always going to consolidate ops around LHR slots if there is a contraction, same as BA. It’s true they would consolidate around Heathrow, but rem...

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by DobboDobbo
Wed May 13, 2020 8:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

The press release is below. Seems pretty clear from this that VS are (or at least intend to if they are around) intending to fly direct to New York, Atlanta, Orlando, Los Angeles and Barbados from Manchester, and Orlando from Belfast and Glasgow. Leaving frequency and aircraft type aside, the major ...

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by DobboDobbo
Tue May 12, 2020 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

On several holiday forums there are polls showing which airlines have been refunding and how quickly. Virgin is one of the top UK airlines that are dragging their feet and saying it will take 100 days to give passengers their money back. No one on them have got any money back since early April. Vir...

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by DobboDobbo
Tue May 12, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Now that VS are about to go on sale with their S21 flying programme, and nearly all their regular routes will be back. Including the seasonal GLA / BFS - MCO. Shame on all the doom and gloom merchants on here predicting VS's demise. There’s a long way to go yet for the entire industry - so I would ...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 5:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

It is now reported the SRB is selling shares in Virgin Galactic to help support Virgin Atlantic and other group companies. This reminds me of when Pan Am sold Intercontinental hotels to keep Pan Am going. At the time it was said and subsequently proved that they should have sold the airline and kep...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

No, Covid is a massive road bump - but the other airlines were viable because they could have dealt with a slight one - they had reserves and / or assets to get cash via collateralised loans, Virgin has neither, banks now have to carry lots of cash to deal with road bumps, but they could still be w...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 1:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

3AWM wrote:
No VAT on flights but they collect APD for the government.


Many thanks - I stand corrected.

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 1:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

No it's not, viability is not binary, pre the financial crash the banks were all "viable", but the reality was they were mis-managed and didn't have sufficient resources to deal with changed circumstances. Simply because the scale of this crisis is so large doesn't mean there's a free rei...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 1:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

One point I had not appreciated is that VS recognises it’s revenue net of VAT. As VS’s revenue in 2018 (the most recent period) was £2.8bn, you could expect VS to have paid circa £560m in VAT alone. What services does VS supply that are rated at 20% VAT? I thought they obtained most of their revenu...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 11:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Only on the proportion of work that is carried out in the U.K. For a Virgin pilot that amount is obviously minimal, usually falls inside the tax free allowance and, for the extreme case where it doesn’t, is normally taken care of by the dual tax agreements betwe⁸en the two countries. Anyway thread ...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 11:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Why does it matter how viable vs was 20 years ago? The fact is that their two most recently reported years had negative margins. And now the market is heading to its worst crisis in possibly its entire history. What justification is there to keep around the weakest airline that has neither cash nor...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 10:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

So if Virgins passengers are not going fly any way so how will they survive in a market that is going to have serious over capacity issues? Virgin won't be able to survive on the approximately 177000 customers of Virgin Holidays they had last year. The point is capacity won’t be replaced, not the b...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 10:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Its not a vast amount, taxes relevant to the aviation industry would still be paid if Virgin didn't exist as their passengers would most likely fly with another airline. PAYE is a small amount considering the rather small amount of staff they have. . I don’t think you can credibly assert that it is...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 8:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

The wider benefits to the U.K. taxpayer and society from VS have been explained at length in this thread and I won’t repeat them here. And that is give the money to more companies that employ more people that stand a better chance of survival long term and don't waste your money if you cannot get i...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 8:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

And while discussion rages on and on about how worthwhile it would be to save VS: https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-virgin-atlantic-puts-a-m-on-standby-in-race-for-funds-11985678 Leaving aside the obvious stresses to staff, it’d be interesting to see if a pre-pack admi...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 7:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

It is ONLY viable to the 2 shareholders - Branson makes his royalty & DL gets more access to LHR slots & half of JV revenue. It is not viable for an investor or anyone else unless it is restructured. They've lasted this long & through all of that only because they have managed to make e...

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by DobboDobbo
Mon May 11, 2020 7:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Vs is not viable. Why don't you show us how vs can be viable? And once you do that, now take into consideration that demand won't reocver for 5 years and how they can be viable with that? Therein lies the fault in your argument. VS has traded for 36 years through 9/11, SARS, MERS and the 2008 crash...

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by DobboDobbo
Sun May 10, 2020 11:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

The key question is whether, but for the Covid-19 crisis, the relevant airline would have had any viability issue. Anyone arguing that the test is something different is quite frankly ignoring reality. No it's not, viability is not binary, pre the financial crash the banks were all "viable&quo...

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by DobboDobbo
Sun May 10, 2020 11:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Vs is not viable. Why don't you show us how vs can be viable? And once you do that, now take into consideration that demand won't reocver for 5 years and how they can be viable with that? Therein lies the fault in your argument. VS has traded for 36 years through 9/11, SARS, MERS and the 2008 crash...

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by DobboDobbo
Sun May 10, 2020 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

A business that barely breaks even during good times and isn't flexible enough to make changes during bad times is not a business that can survive. Here are a list of airlines that have received bespoke state aid (therefore apparently lacking the flexibility to make changes during the bad times) an...

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by DobboDobbo
Sun May 10, 2020 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

A business that barely breaks even during good times and isn't flexible enough to make changes during bad times is not a business that can survive. Here are a list of airlines that have received bespoke state aid (therefore apparently lacking the flexibility to make changes during the bad times) an...

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by DobboDobbo
Sun May 10, 2020 9:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

This is all very interesting, but as with many other posters you’ve overlooked the reality of how VS returns value to its shareholders (hint: it’s not via distributable profits). This undermines your point. That is very interesting, but you haven't proven your point. See? Any idiot can play the one...

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by DobboDobbo
Sat May 09, 2020 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Doesn't seem to have affected other UK airlines that are actually well-run. VS operating profit (e.g. before disposals and exceptional items) in £m 2014: 2.6 2015: 22.5 2016: 39.8 2017: (32.7) 2018: (11.5) Off fairly static revenues of at least £2,600m in each of those years, they averaged an opera...

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by DobboDobbo
Sat May 09, 2020 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

DobboDobbo As you say, the reported profits do not present the real benefit to the shareholders, which are the Virgin Group/SRB and DL Not clear how you then conclude at they should get taxpayer support. As for your point about not being able to pick favourites, that is nonsense. If one airline is ...

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by DobboDobbo
Sat May 09, 2020 4:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175748

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Doesn't seem to have affected other UK airlines that are actually well-run. VS operating profit (e.g. before disposals and exceptional items) in £m 2014: 2.6 2015: 22.5 2016: 39.8 2017: (32.7) 2018: (11.5) Off fairly static revenues of at least £2,600m in each of those years, they averaged an opera...

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