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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

A cursory look at AA's website shows CLE-PHX nonstop once daily bookable from 10/30/2021 onward. I know they have once weekly service now, I hadn't heard it's going daily, though it will make an interesting alternative connection point to DFW for western locations.

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

https://www.aviationpros.com/airlines/n ... n-november

plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

November load factors rolling right out with October: ... American Airlines CLE-PHX: 53% CLE-MIA: 48% CLE-DFW: 67% CLE-CLT: 78% CLE-ORD: 39% CLE-PHL: 49% ... When did American fly CLE-PHX in October? Was that a once weekly thing, or something? Also, I'm surprised at the load factor for Miami. I've ...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

You nailed it, how will a $129m rev operation get its hands on $1B when the backstop also has significant water department and road infrastructure issues to deal with? Add to this limited sway at the big pork trough in DC, Portman retiring, Brown too caught up in environmental extremism and Jim Jor...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

Although I would've preferred family 6, I think that family 2 was the best of both worlds. I am just glad that they didn't go with family 1 as the preferred solution. That being said, the graphics on the slideshow are rather hard to interpret. I feel like this would been a case of "being there...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

https://clevelandairportmasterplan.com/documents/2021-01-12-cle-master-plan-working-committee-mtg-3.pdf The "preferred" plan for the master plan was identified at the last meeting, and it does make use of some of the original structure... this one seems to be have the best plan that allows...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2021

The flights never even flew. They just kept pushing the date back further and further and then just removed Cleveland from their booking engine completely. I think it’s safe to say they’ve dumped us for Cincinnati. I don't think they would have had much success here anyway. I'll be surprised if the...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

I picked up my dad yesterday from a flight at around 10:45 PM. Holy cats, was it a madhouse at arrivals... I picked him up at departures instead. I didn't know there were that many flights... and if there are, they all seem to arrive at the same time!

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

masseybrown wrote:
It will be a pity it they shut down the 737 maintenance operation; they have a reputation for being high quality/low cost compared to other locations.

I would think that's a reason NOT to shut down that operation. But of course I don't know all the logistics of such things.

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Nifty minute and a half video by WEWS's John Rudder, showing how jammed the airport is with parked UA planes. I counted 45; there are probably more. https://twitter.com/JonRudder/status/1266011290062946314 My daughter and I drove by the old concourse D to check out the parked planes. On most of the...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

krod031 wrote:
Spirit resuming CLE-MCO with a stop in CMH on 5/3. Return goes MCO-CLE-CMH. CLE-CMH is bookable.

Wow! How long has it been since that has been a bookable city pair?

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Construction on the new Ground Transportation Center begins April 1 and will last until November 1. Therefore, shuttle service (for parking and hotels) returns to the former GTC between the terminal and Smart Parking Garage during this period. Cue the chorus of complaints... :stirthepot: I thought ...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

N766UA wrote:
Even if they build a brand new, billion dollar terminal, they’ll still be playing “Hey There, Delilah” in it.

Yes!!! I still smile though every time that song comes on though. It's a great song!

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Why are we posting about Southwest adding flights from Cleveland. It is cuts not adds till the max is reinstated. Note the MDW, STL,MKE are all cut. Mdw to 4 daily and Stl and MKE are one or less per day for the summer. I'm surprised CLE-MKE lasted this long as a daily flight. I couldn't believe th...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

As part of Cuyahoga County’s incentive package for Sherwin-Williams is this item: The county agrees to work in “good faith” with the Sherwin-Williams to advance unspecified improvement plans at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, and will report back to Sherwin-Williams about those plans. Wond...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

United doesn’t really have any reason to get rid of the Florida routes. Fares are relatively high, loads are really good. They just extended the season and added additional weekend flights for FLL/RSW/TPA so I don’t think they’re looking at getting rid of those anytime soon. CLE-MCO isn’t going any...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Let the speculation on what Kennedy might be referring to begin… Not speculation but a question for you route planning folks. UA withdraws two routes. Is there really work for the airport route planning team to do to fill the void, or does the free market work it’s magic. If UA carried say 175 a da...

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plinth857

Re: UA CLE LGA?

AA upgauging CLE-DCA nonstop service might be a possibility if more capacity is needed on the CLE-DCA nonstop route after UA discontinues CLE-DCA nonstop service. I think this is the most likely outcome after the cuts ... I expect them to either add another 50 seater on the route, or upgauge their ...

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plinth857

Re: UA CLE LGA?

AA upgauging CLE-DCA nonstop service might be a possibility if more capacity is needed on the CLE-DCA nonstop route after UA discontinues CLE-DCA nonstop service. I think this is the most likely outcome after the cuts. Some additional capacity will be needed as this is the largest market for govern...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

ExpressJet will shutter it’s Cleveland base by year-end. Likely sooner. Lots of jobs gone, especially in maintenance. Here’s an excerpt of a message to employees: “Outside of an unexpected major industry shift, we have been informed to expect the Cleveland crew base to cease to exist by the year en...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Back to rumors that are true. UA is ending LGA and DCA per PD. Love the hoo haa in the article about adding seats to IAD and EWR. Don’t believe that. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/01/united-airlines-dropping-nonstop-service-from-cleveland-hopkins-to-laguardia-reagan-national.html I was de...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

jmertic wrote:

That would be good - and for a Priority Pass Lounge they need about double the space at least.

Assuming they would push out that wall opposite the current bar - what’s behind there now?

I thought there was administrative space (with boardrooms and such).

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

There are still a few more nonstop routes that could be added by WN out of CLE such as CLE-AUS, CLE-HOU, CLE-MCI, CLE-LAX, and CLE-SAN, and I have also previously mentioned that WN was considering adding CLE-HOU nonstop service back in October 2017. WN could also increase CLE-DAL, CLE-FLL, CLE-LAS,...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Just to clarify, it’s not certain the route was cut. It’s still bookable and the article is from 3 months ago. I still think it will last, at least for a little while longer. United has the GSA contract between CLE and DCA (and IAD for that matter), and I would believe most people on government bus...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

Not really sure where this is located, but it looks like CLE now has a sock vending machine from a company called Stance (https://www.stance.com/). I'll have to look for this in a couple weeks when I fly to Nashville: https://twitter.com/FraportUSA/status/1202282627371286528 It's right across from ...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2020

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2020 ... rator.html

plinth857

Re: The rest of Tennessee - TYS, CHA, TRI, ect.

Interestingly, I did an award booking through AA, and it routed me through CHA on a very interesting itinerary. The layover is about 4 and a half hours in the middle of the day. Is it worth taking a quick trip to the city to look around?

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

It’s been a mystery to me why AA reinstated CLE lga. Bad schedule bad aircraft esp compared to Delta so this is very welcome at least they are paying attention. Load factors to lga have been mediocre for all but yields must be ok. I'm booked on an LGA-CLE flight and less than a week out it is less ...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

avtcle wrote:
AA4421 CLE-MIA: Switching from Embraer ERJ-145 to ERJ-175 eff. Monday September 9, 2019
AA4666 CLE-MIA: Switching from Embraer ERJ-145 to ERJ-175 eff. Monday

Especially glad for this one. That is a long route to be on the ERJ-145.

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plinth857

Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

RJNUT wrote:
I think going east to CLE, CMH , PIT,etc. can work as the drives are severely hampered by the Lake and Chicagoland!

I think PIT and CMH are most likely eventually. CLE is already served by WN twice daily... I don't see a new carrier entering that market.

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I think it's more likely that AA re-enters the PHX market if it becomes underserved. It would be a P2P flight for United, although CLE still has a few of those being a "focus city."

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

WN schedule extension is a net zero through March 6. CLE loses once a week to DAL and gains once a week to FLL. I'm sure those once a week routes are hard to be profitable. Plus, the times weren't optimal, really. I'd use the flight for certain if it was daily or better timed. AA's non basic econom...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fiscal Year 2020 GSA City Pair contracts came out recently. A few more cities now have contracts out of CLE. American had the biggest drop in Cleveland contracts, whereas Delta had the largest growth. Probably doesn't result in a huge amount of revenue, but it's interesting to see the changes year a...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Just got back to CLE after a conference in Milwaukee. Looks like Delta is expanding into Gate B3. They are setting up a full kiosk rather than temporary signage. Makes sense with their recent route additions that they want more permanent space in B. I know the Salt Lake City flight leaves from A11 ...

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plinth857

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

In October, I'll be flying with someone from PWM to ORD on a flight that leaves at 1:00 PM. Any thoughts on the reliability/on time statistics for Cape Air? I'll be coming from Cleveland, and was thinking of connecting in Boston (CLE-BOS on JetBlue, BOS-PWM on Cape Air). The Cape Air flight is sched...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

^94% on CLE-MIA on AA is respectable. Remember, for CLE-Southern FL there are quite a few options. It's too bad that many of those flights are on the E145. I was just on a MIA-CLE leg... 3 hours is a long time to be on one of those (and they don't have wireless available). Sometimes, it's on an E17...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

^Interesting, thanks. LGA stands out for all airlines as surprisingly low LF. Perhaps the high capacity accounts for this, sustained by relatively high fares? Also surprising was United Airlines: CLE-SFO: 70%. Why so low? What's not surprising: United Airlines: CLE-BOS: 78%--and they drop the route...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

from enilria's weekly list: WN CLE-DAL NOV 0>0.2[0] DEC 0>0.2[0] jplatts has been pushing for DAL for years. This isn't much, but could it be a start? Though CLE-MCI with 100 PDEW would be far more useful to both cities that CLE-DAL. While I'm happy they're dipping their toe in the market, one flig...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

^If you want to park your car here overnight, call the police..... hmmmm...that certainly doesn't feel very comfortable! I used to park at Brookpark station all the time... big proponent of the transit system. However, my car was broken into once and that wiped out all the savings I had achieved ov...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

SgtBarone wrote:
I would also recommend Wow Bao for lunch or dinner. The steamed buns are excellent.

I'll second this. Plus, there are some nice vegetarian options there as well.

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plinth857

Re: Memphis Aviation - 2019

Flight lands at Memphis 11:59 P.M... then I catch a flight the next morning at 5:00 A.M. Is MEM an airport that would allow me to stay in the secure area, or would it be required to leave and then re-enter security when it opens? With that small amount of time, I'm trying to avoid going to a hotel, ...

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plinth857

Re: Which airports currently see AA and DL MD-80s?

CLE sees both of those as well (plenty of MD82/83 from DFW on AA and plenty of MD-88's on the CLE-ATL route). Does the 717 count? DL has been employing those on the CLE-DTW and CLE-MSP routes for one flight (mixing in with their regional aircraft).

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plinth857

Re: When was your last MD-80 flight and how was it?

Two weeks ago... CLE-DFW and the return a couple days later DFW-CLE. On the way down I sat up front and though dated, it was nice, comfortable and quiet. On the return flight I sat in the exit row on the two-seat side. Also a comfortable seat, though it was a bit louder back there of course. I am ve...

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plinth857

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2019

I wonder if since the DNC is going to be in Milwaukee next year... will we see some 767s come in? If we do, I'm gonna miss out on seeing them since I'm moving to Omaha this fall. When the RNC was in Cleveland in 2016, we didn't see many (if any) widebodies, to my recollection. But the frequency of ...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

swacle wrote:
The EI billboard on 237 came down as quick as it went up. Now it's just and advertisement to rent the billboard.

I think it was an a.netter that paid to put it up to create discussion!

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I believe the main limitation today is human and non-aviation related equipment. It is just plain dangerous to be outside fueling, loading baggage, doing maintenance on aircraft, etc. plus tugs, baggage carts, etc. don't work so well in these temperatures. That's why I'm surprised there weren't mor...

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plinth857

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

3) anyone have any off site parking shuttle experience in 2019? With the $4 per drop off tax there’s an economic disincentive for the operators to run as frequently. I've used Park'N'Fly twice so far this year. Times were reserved through the web or their app. The shuttle was there ready to bring u...

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plinth857

Re: VC Announces BHM & PIT Focus Cities, Adds BDL, MEM

one positive...it looks like BDL-PIT could still be successful. Don't know why DL hasn't jumped in there like they did to CLE-BDL. I’m still not sure why DL even continues to fly CLE-BDL. A quick glance at this week, for example, shows a 38% load factor on its best day, and an average of more like ...

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plinth857

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Midwestindy wrote:
AA is stealing UA's lunch money

I laughed out loud reading that. I may have to steal that!

Yesterday there was a flight between IND and CLE (WN8501)... I assume it was an aircraft repositioning. Is there any way to find out if it was a revenue flight?

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plinth857

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

On my last flight between ORD-CLE, there were several ExpressJet employees traveling non-rev on an AA flight. It sounds like one of the aspects of United purchasing ExpressJet from SkyWest means several redeployments back into CLE, and the staff that were conversing about it seemed very pleased to b...

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