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by Interested
Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Financial Discussion 2020
Replies: 432
Views: 60270

Re: Boeing in Crisis

Can't airlines cancel their 737MAX orders without penalty, due to the deliver delays? I guess there are some airlines, which need the millions of dollars back, which they gave Boeing as deposits for their 737MAX order. Maybe. Not really sure about how they return money upon sell. But if they will s...

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Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, March 2020
Replies: 463
Views: 73693

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, March 2020

Just looked at the share price. First time in a while.

I knew it had gone down but never expected it to be that low

199 now!!

Edit - correction 196 now

It dropped 3 more whilst I logged on here and wrote the post

I've no idea what the implications are but they can't be good?

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

The new CEO won't last 12 months Why bother replacing the old one? Same old BS At some stage someone external with knowledge of the real world and how to gain trust etc will be appointed to pick up pieces of an even bigger mess Mark my words Boeing haven't learnt a single thing from what's happened...

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Sure, I know he was a sub-manager under the chief program manager, but that bragging exposed him like no other. The "true root cause" will be interpreted differently by every manager involved, especially for rejecting own guilt. That bragging, however, will "testimony" forever. ...

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Boeing's new CEO says the MAX issues were not a result of cost factors, but wrong assumptions about how pilots react to failures. In my opinion this statement alone proves that Calhoun is the wrong guy at the helm. He has been part of that cost cutting culture for a decade already. He's not "n...

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I believe estimates of the costs of the grounding so far increased to 25 billion us dollars yesterday

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155838

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

And while you're at it, make peace with your employees and treat them with respect for a change. If you read the whole article, it seems clear that he's saying such things are his main mission. His first session with the press followed a webcast with employees, in which he was asked difficult quest...

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

So if Muilenberg had been fired last Summer or early Fall the MAX would be back flying by now? I don't think so. If Muilenberg had never even been CEO, JT and ET would not have happened? I don't think so. The BoD let him go for specific cause, not to make him a scapegoat for this whole sorry mess. ...

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by Interested
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

At Around 1:15 PM Boeing shares hit the bottom at $302. Five minutes after that 3 pieces of news were released and stock price rose to $312. Boeing wants to resume production of 737 Max months before the planes return to service Boeing CEO says return of 737 Max was delayed further because it recom...

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Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Oh ok. So bad pilots and bad maintenance are a fact of life we must deal with but it is unacceptable to have a flawed aircraft design. Got it. No, that's a strawman. 'Bad' is an opinion with no measurable quantity implied which one could also describe and excellent but not quite perfect with the ex...

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Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I can agree that Boeing should have hit the brakes after the first crash. And had they been informed about the persistent issue with the aircraft then they may have been able to intervene. Sadly that didn't happen. My issue is that people are excusing poor airmanship and maintenance practices. Ther...

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Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

TTailedTiger I agree with you - Nobody set out to kill people at Boeing Nobody even looked that far ahead. They all had their own short term agendas and pressures to deal with and jobs to try and justify and keep It's the bigger picture that led to people dying All the cogs in the different wheels ...

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Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

TTailedTiger I agree with you - Nobody set out to kill people at Boeing Nobody even looked that far ahead. They all had their own short term agendas and pressures to deal with and jobs to try and justify and keep It's the bigger picture that led to people dying All the cogs in the different wheels c...

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by Interested
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Apologies if it's already in the thread Have we discussed the story that even when the planes are ungrounded there will be a 10 to 12 day process for each grounded plane to go through before they are allowed to fly again and there are a very limited number of qualified staff to take the planes throu...

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Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

One of the US Pilots Unions is saying that pilot confidence in the Boeing safety culture is at rock bottom Reported in Financial Times this morning - I can't link as you need to subscribe to read the story But no doubt the story will be in all media in due course It's not just the general public who...

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Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I see some common misconceptions. One that punishing "Boeing" isolates the punishment to Boeing... Stop right here. Are you really convinced the grounding was done to "punish Boeing"? A grounding is never done to punish an airline or a producer. It's done to protect the public, ...

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Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I suspect that you are using a different definition of "issues" than subject poster. However, you are certainly correct that Max issues find them selves under a bigger microscope now. I think if you spend some time on the FAA and EASA AD websites you will get a better appreciation of what...

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Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I suspect that you are using a different definition of "issues" than subject poster. However, you are certainly correct that Max issues find them selves under a bigger microscope now. I think if you spend some time on the FAA and EASA AD websites you will get a better appreciation of what...

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Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Great to know Morrison. Let's keep those thoughts for pilots and small planes and let's not start bringing in feel and outside visual references into flight safety for newly designed commercial planes with hundreds of lives at stake. We really don't need to go down that route. In this day and age. ...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

From what I saw in this forum way back when but has now been deleted it really was a stick force issue (from a Boeing insider who should not have been publishing the information in public) and not weird stall characteristics - the data showed that the stick force which was about 6lbs fell to 4 inst...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Because this is about permitting to start operation for a previously problematic design - vs continuing operations for situations where problems are known to be managable. Nice try moving the goalposts, and no, I'm not talking about "manageable" issues. You implied real-world safety is ha...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

You're thinking Boeingish safety. Real world safety works different - MAX remains grounded until proven to have no issues. "No issues" is incorrect. That's not real-world safety. Thousands of aircraft are flying today with known, potentially dangerous issues (and airlines too, but that's ...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

You're thinking Boeingish safety. Real world safety works different - MAX remains grounded until proven to have no issues. "No issues" is incorrect. That's not real-world safety. Thousands of aircraft are flying today with known, potentially dangerous issues (and airlines too, but that's ...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Maybe they should scrap the plane. Better to just scrap MCAS and give all MAX pilots EET (US Extended Envelope Training). Although as 2173501 says the lengthy grounding doesn't really seem to be about MCAS but the Bit Flip issue. Given the extremely low probably of the bit flip issue happening I ca...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant had an interesting story on the MAX fiasco yesterday: https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/de-boeing-737-max-een-vliegtuig-ontworpen-door-clowns-onder-leiding-van-apen~bdb9f623/ (Dutch only, but Google/Bing Translate is your friend...) The reporter spoke with E...

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by Interested
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Max pilot training, past, present and future.
Replies: 39
Views: 3351

Re: Max pilot training, past, present and future.

The 787 has pitch augmentation(you only trim for airspeed changes). Even though it’s mostly a computer it can still runaway. You will never program out failures. As a pilot I feel infinitely better knowing I can still manually trim the plane when the computer goes bonkers. Yes but doesn't Max bad d...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

More detail re "the Jedi mind trick conversation below: The same individual is thought to have glossed over the existence of MCAS in an email to an airline, writing: “Once the engines are started, there is only one difference between NG and Max procedurally, and that is that there is no ‘off’ p...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I believe it would re-enable once the disagree condition doesn't exist anymore. Then that is not acceptable. What if one AOA stuck at eg. 10 and the other is eg. 3. Later the other is increasing for whatever reason and the difference reaches the 5.5 limit. In this case MCAS 2.0 would just behave li...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Max pilot training, past, present and future.
Replies: 39
Views: 3351

Re: Max pilot training, past, present and future.

That is a noble goal - but as I'm not sure your aware - the aircraft with the largest production back log right now has a manual trim wheel as well. Pilots need to know to properly use all controls and how to handle an aircraft in all its degraded states. I am not intimately familiar with that airc...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

The last part of your question can't be answered by anybody on here because nobody outside of Boeing and MAYBE the FAA knows what the flight characteristics are without MCAS. As to the first part, yes, MCAS 2.0 becomes disabled if there is a disagreement of more than 5.5 degrees between the two AoA...

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Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

What's the vision, Boeing struggles or goes bankrupt, or Boeing outdelivers Airbus in 2021 and launches the NMA? Boeing faces more than 1 battle now The battle to get the plane ungrounded. Tough on its own as the scrutiny is huge and the design is flawed A flying public that must be close to 50 per...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296694

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

BBC News reporting that protesters have taken to the streets in Iran against their current regime

The gatherings were initially to show respect to those that died. But turned into the protesters demanding "death to the liars!"

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Apparently that Boeing Official didn't read the document dump, because if they had they would not have said that safety was the overriding imperative, clearly it wasn't in any sort of operational sense. Clearly the Boeing Employees in these messages are not acting as if safety was the overriding im...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Anyone seen this one yet ?

In one email message from 2015, an employee who apparently is a test pilot wrote that he crashed the first few times he flew the Max in simulator testing. “You get decent at it after 3-4 tries, but the first few are ugly,”

You simply couldn't make it up??

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Now we know that many within Boeing had knowingly hidden MCAS and covered things up to get the plane certified is is not beyond belief that not only after the first crash involving MCAS but even after the second crash Boeing fought to NOT have the plane grounded Did none of the people at Boeing hav...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

ET though knew if they had intermittent trim issues treat it as Runaway Trim and run the appropriate checklist - there is just a lot of debate of how well or did they even get that information to their pilots. And yet we also know that those highly-trained and vastly-experienced first-world pilots ...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Training is NOT the issue here. Leave that for badly designed planes

The issue here is to improve on the safety of planes each time a new one is introduced

Max 737 took aircraft safety backwards to the dark ages

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Now we know that many within Boeing had knowingly hidden MCAS and covered things up to get the plane certified is is not beyond belief that not only after the first crash involving MCAS but even after the second crash Boeing fought to NOT have the plane grounded Did none of the people at Boeing have...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

"There isn't a company out there that's not in the gray area." If Boeing want to ever gain trust of the public and customers again they need to become one I'm afraid Aviation has different standards that need to be attained I've said before if I was at Airbus I would be watching all this a...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

You genuinely believe Boeing are being smeared?

They have brought every negative comment they are now facing entirely on themselves

Sorry

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Seriously though. What the pilots did or didn't do or what any other pilots might or might not do really is irrelevant now. I've no idea why we are stll discussing pilots or checklists The Max is a totally discredited plane. Boeing are entirely discredited for how they got it certified in the first ...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I also note the new CEO doesn't start the job until Monday. No doubt deliberate to not be in place when this week's horrendous stories were released

He can at least start Monday afresh and hopefully start slowly but surely cleaning shop and start putting right all of these wrongs

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

I also note from the New York Times article that the new Boeing CEO will be paid 7 million USD bonus IF he can successfully get Max ungrounded!!

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/business/boeing-737-employees-messages.html An article about lack of trust of Boeing in New York Times More dismal reading as is the norm now. Sara Nelson, the president of the Association of Flight Attendants union, said the messages revealed a “sick” culture at B...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296694

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

They've gained some respect back as a civilised country for admitting it If they hadn't could you ever trust them as a country to ever visit or do business with It makes long term political sense to admit it and try and build some bridges etc I don't really see them blaming anyone in their statemen...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296694

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

They've gained some respect back as a civilised country for admitting it If they hadn't could you ever trust them as a country to ever visit or do business with It makes long term political sense to admit it and try and build some bridges etc I don't really see them blaming anyone in their statement...

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by Interested
Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Let me say I recognise the nasty and insincere messages are rife in businesses throughout the world. I have to deal with these types of characters in my own work on a daily basis But sorry - this attitude is simply not acceptable in this industry where we put our lives in their hands. Which until th...

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

The new Boeing CEO needs to make some serious decisions and statements to try and show why anyone should ever trust Boeing ever again The organisation must be at its lowest ebb ever both internally and in the eyes of the world Huge huge culture change needed And a huge amount of apologising needed t...

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by Interested
Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Forget all the detail

How could you possibly trust Boeing on anything right now?

Their trust rating with their customers must be at Zero right now??

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Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191378

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

- “I’ll be shocked if the FAA passes this turd,” an unnamed employee says in a May 2018 instant message conversation. Boeing Max 737 "A turd designed by clowns led by monkeys" How many would you like to order sir? (Seriously - even if it's ever ungrounded - why would anyone in the industr...

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