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by ord
Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: DL looking to trade 717s for 737 Max
Replies: 365
Views: 63260

Re: Rumor: DL looking to trade 717s for 737 Max

91 717s triggers the clause that UA can add more 76 seaters, which is what they’ve wanted. The acquisition costs would be low for these planes too. Since they won’t order the A220, this is a perfect scenario and one I would love to see. The 717 does not allow more 76 seaters at UA. Only the A220-10...

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by ord
Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines A350 update?
Replies: 131
Views: 40497

Re: United Airlines A350 update?

But I agree that the 359 order is questionable, given that I trust the credible industry journalists who said that UA sources indicated the airline wanted more time to make a decision (and Airbus agreed, under the condition that UA keep a preliminary order on its books, but with no risk for the add...

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by ord
Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines A350 update?
Replies: 131
Views: 40497

Re: United Airlines A350 update?

[/quote]I'm not an A vs. B person; I could careless which manufacture UA choose. But I agree that the 359 order is questionable, given that I trust the credible industry journalists who said that UA sources indicated the airline wanted more time to make a decision (and Airbus agreed, under the condi...

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by ord
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines A350 update?
Replies: 131
Views: 40497

Re: United Airlines A350 update?

jayunited, you mentioned a few months ago in the United fleet/network thread that you were at a SFO town hall where Kirby said the A350s are coming in 2022 and will replace older 777s. Of course things can always change, but that shows the plan is to take the A350s.

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by ord
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

Thanks for sharing the photo. Clearly the winglet is from the old livery and for whatever reason it was not repainted. I can’t imagine it will stay like that. As others have pointed out, it’s interesting the wave is a different shade of blue. I wonder if this is a permanent change to the new livery.

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by ord
Sun May 26, 2019 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA191 40 Year Anniversary coming up
Replies: 155
Views: 20916

Re: AA191 40 Year Anniversary coming up

It is indeed a TWA 707. Look at the shape of the fuselage cross-section. Pure Boeing. DC-8 had a 'double bubble' cross section. It may be a 707 but it does not appear to be TWA. TWA had twin red stripes that got lower and thicker as they wrapped around the rear of the plane. This plane seems to hav...

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by ord
Wed May 22, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

So then, for me I would expect to see a serious change from what came before, perhaps a (near) total change, with the rebrand representing something. The current United brand refresh actually does neither. It looks more to me like Jetblue painting tails every now and again. I don't see a message co...

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by ord
Wed May 22, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA191 40 Year Anniversary coming up
Replies: 155
Views: 20916

Re: AA191 40 Year Anniversary coming up

I recently read a different article about this crash, and try as I might I just can't remember where. The reason it stuck in my mind was that it included a couple of pictures of the DC 10 in the air, that I had never seen before. They were apparently taken by a man from the window of an arriving ai...

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by ord
Fri May 10, 2019 11:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't Delta fly International out of DFW?
Replies: 69
Views: 9587

Re: Why didn't Delta fly International out of DFW?

Wrong...In the mid 70's at DFW #1 was Braniff, #2 - Delta and #3- American. At that time DL operated a number of widebodies to ATL, LAX, SFO, LAS. (741 and L-1011). Incorrect. In the 1970s, yes Braniff was #1. But American was #2 with around 100+ daily flights and Delta was #3 with about 50 flights...

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by ord
Fri May 10, 2019 1:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't Delta fly International out of DFW?
Replies: 69
Views: 9587

Re: Why didn't Delta fly International out of DFW?

DFW was actually a big Delta hub, peaking at over 250 daily flights. Delta at one point had about 1/3 of the market. Nonstop service was offered from 1984-1995 to Frankfurt. There was also a nonstop to Honolulu.

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by ord
Sat May 04, 2019 11:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Denver hub 1990s?
Replies: 89
Views: 13353

Re: United Denver hub 1990s?

It eventually just didn’t make sense for CO to play second fiddle in a city the size of Denver. UA put up a tough fight to say the least, and CO was also interested in building up its highly profitable and winning CALite strategy back east. CALite was neither profitable nor a winning strategy. http...

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by ord
Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

There a few great photos of the new livery outside at O’Hare at #beingunited.

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by ord
Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

The titling is spaced too far apart. U N I T E D I’m surprised the marketing folks didn’t catch this. From a brand perspective, and to more deeply connect with the mass target on an emotional level, something like this should have been used: UNITED Most branding experts would agree that the closer ...

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by ord
Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

From CALTECH in the fleet/network thread: “From sources, the Gold Stripe and the Gold On The Globe is staying. Smaller logo on the fuselage.” So if true looks like gold stripe and gold globe is staying addition of smaller globe on fuselage. Only a few more days till we see the unveiling. Anything i...

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by ord
Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 3546
Views: 702090

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

As has been discussed many, many times, there is not one shred of evidence supporting a "debate" on the A350s. Not one executive, not Oscar, not Kirby and not Laderman, has ever suggested, hinted or commented that United is reconsidering the A350. If anything, they have done the opposite ...

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by ord
Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 3546
Views: 702090

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

They have some on order, it’s still a debate on if they’ll actually take deliveries. It’s not. Been reiterated by management. UA now has the Polaris and good aircraft. Route network continues to impress. Just need to work on the people and they will have it. Bad, bad experience EWR to LHR this week...

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by ord
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

As I recall, please correct me, when legacy United unveiled Pentagram’s “Shades of Blue” they used a CRJ? I recall seeing the Press Release and being shocked that they did not use a 747, 772, or EVEN a 767- but a regional jet! Do we feel confident that they will use one of their more prestigious ai...

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by ord
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

I doubt the tail design, whatever it is, will go onto the body of the plane. The template for the “Her Art Here” contest only has the tail blocked as untouchable by the artists. I'm thinking the "Her Art Here" is only for a couple of select A/C. If the contest is still currently going on,...

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by ord
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

I doubt the tail design, whatever it is, will go onto the body of the plane. The template for the “Her Art Here” contest only has the tail blocked as untouchable by the artists.

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by ord
Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

Cool renderings-however-the initial hint also said there would be purple involved in addition to globe not going away. Purple globe? Purple belly? I mean-of course that wouldn't look good-but don't know how for life of me purple will be incorporated without looking goofy or LCC like. The FlightGlob...

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by ord
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 3546
Views: 702090

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

I really like the simple, all-blue version of the globe Priestmangoode put on the 777-300ER entrance and hope this is the new tail design. If you scroll down about 3/4 of the page below it's in the photo showing the two flight attendants, to the right of the male. There is only a single line represe...

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by ord
Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381899

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

The Delta livery has absolutely nothing to do with Northwest. Prior to merging with Northwest, Delta was also in talks with United. So where is the nod to United in case that was their merger partner? Also, what if Northwest had been the surviving brand? Does the Northwest livery have a nod to Delta...

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by ord
Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 3546
Views: 702090

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

I don’t think the globe will be the same. I’d expect the basic architecture of the globe, however fewer lines and several shades of blue (probably from the new color pallet) I seem to recall you mentioned about a year ago that you saw drafts of the new livery. Did what you see have billboard titles...

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by ord
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 3546
Views: 702090

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

This is a direct copy and paste from Flying Together, it is part of a much larger article on UA changing and updated our brand. What’s happening to gold? We’re reducing the amount of gold we use as it was added to our color palette more than 20 years ago when the color was much more common and popu...

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by ord
Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 3546
Views: 702090

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Recently somebody (LAXintl, it might have been you) had a very informative post on United's updated brand colors in this thread (why gold was transitioning away, why purple was being used, etc.), and for the life of me I can't find it. Does anybody remember the post number? Thanks for any help findi...

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by ord
Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Questions about the final year of Eastern
Replies: 127
Views: 13548

Re: Questions about the final year of Eastern

Correct. In 1985 EA was the largest airline in the western world. By the time of the strike in 1989 it was seventh in US. The standard measurement of airline size is revenue passenger miles, and Eastern was not even close to being the largest by this measure. In 1985, Eastern's RPMs were 33,087 bil...

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by ord
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ORD Global Terminal proposals released
Replies: 102
Views: 16736

Re: ORD Global Terminal proposals released

The Chicago Tribune's architecture critic, Blair Kamen, says the Foster proposal is a clear first choice: One of the five plans for the massive O'Hare expansion soars above the rest https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-biz-ohare-expansion-assessment-kamin-0127-story.html#nt=oft12aH-1gp2...

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by ord
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?
Replies: 112
Views: 26044

Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

[quote="trav777"given the replacement timeframe, I think they made a decision back when on the 359 that given the performance vs cost of the jet now in the real world, that they are reconsidering.[/quote] Nobody at United, not Oscar, not Kirby and not Laderman has ever said one word, or ev...

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by ord
Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?
Replies: 112
Views: 26044

Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

"No need for all this, just adopt a different configuration for the 789, closer to 300 pax. AC flies apparently with 298 on theirs." You do realize that AC's configuration has 30 business class seats, while UA's has 48. United would never significantly decrease the number of high-fare busi...

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by ord
Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?
Replies: 112
Views: 26044

Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

if they really wanted the A350, they'd have taken some by now. It offers them nothing. United has stated the A350s will replace the 772s. They don't have a need for the A350s until they start retiring the 772s in 2022. No need for them now, but there will be in a few years. And the A350 does offer ...

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by ord
Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will UA order more 77W’s ?
Replies: 87
Views: 9056

Re: Will UA order more 77W’s ?

On top of that, the A350 is quite a bit larger than the 772. UA's 772 fitted with Polaris seats 269 passengers. The A350 seats over 300 in a similar configuration. The UA 789 seats 252 and the 78J seats 316. I really don't see a need to fill the gap between the two. The 789 can handle any 772 missi...

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by ord
Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta and Special Liveries
Replies: 41
Views: 5972

Re: Delta and Special Liveries

Totally disagree. The current DL livery, including the use of the color red for the entire widget is a clear and unmistakable nod to the NW compass. The angle and direction in which the DL widget is pointed neatly align with the NW compass arrow. Deals like DL/NW don't happen overnight and they don...

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by ord
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When Did United Fully Phase Out Battleship Grey?
Replies: 97
Views: 15098

Re: When Did United Fully Phase Out Battleship Grey?

I agree the current branding is weak. One reason that has yet to be mentioned is it's nearly identical to Copa. I realize Continental used to own a majority of Copa, but that was years ago. A global carrier like United should not have a brand that is so similar to a foreign regional airline. A new l...

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by ord
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When Did United Fully Phase Out Battleship Grey?
Replies: 97
Views: 15098

Re: When Did United Fully Phase Out Battleship Grey?

Not even many of the guys who had to maintain that livery likes it. One our former CEO's Liked that Grey and used it when he screwed up USAIR then Northwest then Finally UNITED. I have no IDEA where he is about now but all 3 airlines he was involved with went CH-11.. The CEO you're referring to is ...

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by ord
Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When Did United Fully Phase Out Battleship Grey?
Replies: 97
Views: 15098

Re: When Did United Fully Phase Out Battleship Grey?

I have the press kit United sent to the media when the grey livery was introduced on January 11, 1993 (the 747-400 flight from SFO-NRT that day was the first flight with the new livery). It mentions how it was time to change the look of the aircraft to signal that United was now a global carrier (wh...

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by ord
Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When Did United Fully Phase Out Battleship Grey?
Replies: 97
Views: 15098

Re: When Did United Fully Phase Out Battleship Grey?

The “Battleship Story” A handful of people from Landor SF left to take a job at one of the world’s first internet/Digital focused agencies in NYC called “March1st”. (The agency took its name from the day it opened) They had A LOT of backers financing them. Their first office (vs starting small) was...

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by ord
Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United proposes purchasing the A321LR for transatlantic flights
Replies: 145
Views: 35363

Re: United proposes purchasing the A321LR for transatlantic flights

B) United hasn’t expressed any interest in the mythical plane This is not true. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/united-eyes-a330neo-and-nma-for-fleet-replacement-446322/ "United Airlines is considering the Airbus A330-800neo and Boeing New Mid-market Airplane (NMA) among options to ...

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by ord
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines orders 9 787-9's
Replies: 172
Views: 33387

Re: United Airlines orders 9 787-9's

I don't believe the 77E has a replacement at United right now, it's just implied that a large order of A350s will replace them. I don't even think it's truly confirmed that the A350 will replace the 777-200A. A lot of it is speculation that's been taken for truth. A350-900s replacing the 777-200ERs...

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by ord
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018
Replies: 2603
Views: 377981

Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Post #698 in the 787 production thread appears to show a United 787-10 in the current livery.

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by ord
Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United updating brand with new colors
Replies: 128
Views: 26843

Re: United updating brand with new colors

At a meeting in atlanta the rumor is the red widget will go at some point .the only reason it's read was due to northwest . There is no correlation between Delta's red logo and Northwest. The red logo and new livery were unveiled in April 2007 (and in development long before that), while the Northw...

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by ord
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018
Replies: 2603
Views: 377981

Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

Have any photos surfaced yet of United's first 787-10? Didn't it roll out over three weeks ago?

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by ord
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018
Replies: 2603
Views: 377981

Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

What ever happened to the United 787-10 that was supposed to roll out on July 5? Are there any photos?

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by ord
Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018
Replies: 2603
Views: 377981

Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

[url][/url] The 737-9 Max will have the wavy cheat line like the 787 as far as livery. Have seen two renderings of possible livery change for future and both were pretty ugly to be honest. This is big news regarding a possible new livery. Did the renderings have a new logo? New colors, or still blue...

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by ord
Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018
Replies: 2603
Views: 377981

Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2018

50 Polaris seats seems like a high number? Could some of those be swapped out for the inevitable premium economy class seats? Seems more likely they would cannibalize some E+ or E seats for PE. After it’s all said and done with Polaris, PE, E+, and E- the seat count goes does by around 6 if memory ...

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by ord
Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 38 years since AA 191
Replies: 59
Views: 17679

Re: 38 years since AA 191

Indy wrote:
I actually flew out of ORD a day or two after the crash. Flew AA to FRA. I think it was a DC10 too.


American did not start flying ORD-FRA until 1985.

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by ord
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hypothetical: ORD without AA
Replies: 110
Views: 15549

Re: Hypothetical: ORD without AA

IrishAyes wrote:
DL never had more than one international long-haul route from Dallas (FRA) which wasn't even an organic DL route: it was an authority acquired from Pan Am.


Just a clarification that Delta started DFW-FRA on its own in 1984, seven years before buying Pan Am's European routes.

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by ord
Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United's old DC-8 fleet questions
Replies: 111
Views: 11559

Re: United's old DC-8 fleet questions

Some quick facts: United began service on the Heathrow routes acquired from Pan Am on April 3, 1991. Chicago was not included. ORD-LHR service began on September 12, 1995 after the U.S.-U.K. bilateral treaty was amended. United was only permitted to operate one daily nonstop at first, and service wa...

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by ord
Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Upcoming ORD announcement
Replies: 22
Views: 8141

Re: Upcoming ORD announcement

I literally LOL'd at this one. That would be pretty earth shattering, nothing like that has been done since CO/UA traded IAD for CLE back in the 80s. I agree this is not happening. Just a point of clarification, CO and UA did not trade IAD/CLE. UA drew down CLE right after deregulation in 1979-80, ...

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by ord
Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017
Replies: 1935
Views: 329584

Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

An article last week mentions additional 777-300ERs are being looked at: Boeing Woos United and Lion in a Bid to Boost Max 10 Launch https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-07/boeing-said-to-woo-united-lion-in-bid-to-buttress-max-10-launch "United Continental Holdings Inc. is studying w...

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