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by keesje
Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

I fear Boeing is in no position to simultaneously develop an NMA and an NSA. A smaller type, ultra lean, competing in the 170-220 seat <3000NM segment seems required. Or the competition will have them for lunch. Welcome to 2019.

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by keesje
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Expects a $5.6 Billion Hit for 737 Max Disruptions
Replies: 121
Views: 12222

Re: Boeing Expects a $5.6 Billion Hit for 737 Max Disruptions

I don't want to put oil on the fire, but the MAX backlog hasn't become more solid. Boeing can't meet contracted deliveries. Airlines can decide to fly existing fleets longer, e.g. NG's for 35-40 yrs, deferring/ cancelling orders, take less aircaft, change their fleetmix, optimizing their network, or...

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by keesje
Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Expects a $5.6 Billion Hit for 737 Max Disruptions
Replies: 121
Views: 12222

Re: Boeing Expects a $5.6 Billion Hit for 737 Max Disruptions

The origins of this drama go back to 2011 when Boeing had underestimated the NEO & had to rush a 737 re-engining. That in itself was a result of all attention focussed on getting the years delayed, overpromised 787 into service. So this could be considered a double whammy from those decisions. T...

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by keesje
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Expects a $5.6 Billion Hit for 737 Max Disruptions
Replies: 121
Views: 12222

Re: Boeing Expects a $5.6 Billion Hit for 737 Max Disruptions

Or in other words, the tax payer is footing an important part of the bill. Great. No, the tax payer isn't footing any of the bill. Boeing will only pay less taxes by making less profit. These costs are real. It isn't like they have made up a charge to reduce the tax liability on profits. A company ...

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by keesje
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

The 767-400ER got an updated cockpit, redesigned landing gear, and 777-style Signature Interior in the late nineties, CAD has been there since the late eighties. The design would not necessary change. But to incorporate the advance manufacturing technique being applied to the T-X would require conv...

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by keesje
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel
Replies: 12
Views: 2637

Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Let’s face it this will have always been part of the plan, the Mobile FAL was only ever done to get around the threat of punitive import fees associated with the DL order, had that not happened one Airbus might not even be part of the project and two the FAL would not have happened, ironically the ...

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by keesje
Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

The 767 seems very much right sized for the job. -> Boeing says so! The 767-200ER is outside of your MOM circle and the 767-300ER just scrapes in. With new engines the dots will shift to the right. Both will now be well outside the MOM circle. That graph shows that it is NOT right sized for the job...

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by keesje
Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

I think a "plan B" for the middle of market might not be a bad idea. The 767 seems very much right sized for the job. -> Boeing says so! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7b/00/45/7b00456ce19c9383f5b7fc2dbcb6a8af.jpg People still believing Boeing can easily spend anything and have time on the...

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by keesje
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Speaking of the A220...
Replies: 8
Views: 1757

Re: Speaking of the A220...

The 300 pound gorilla sitting on the fence is South West Airlines. They need to start replacing their 3 cabin attendant, 500x 737-700s. The A220-300 is much lighter, more comfortable, cheaper to operate than the 737-7. SouthWest is studying / eveluating it. https://samchui.com/2019/04/28/southwests-...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

No new wing, no new cross section. That means a new aircraft, billions, time to market, risk. Just new engines, the KC46 system upgrades, upgraded glass cockpit, maybe MAX style wing tips. To make any new 767 MAX cost competitive, Boeing would need to re-do the structural engineering to adopt the n...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

I think everybody is getting a bit nervous on what Boeing should really do. If the MAX drama drags on into 2020, the financial situation, backlog and public perceptions (=stock value) will take a big hit. https://www.news18.com/news/auto/globally-grounded-boeing-737-max-8-unlikely-to-restart-operat...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

I think everybody is getting a bit nervous on what Boeing should really do. If the MAX drama drags on into 2020, the financial situation, backlog and public perceptions (=stock value) will take a big hit. https://www.news18.com/news/auto/globally-grounded-boeing-737-max-8-unlikely-to-restart-operati...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 254
Views: 41690

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

Airbus would need a production capacity of ca. 40 A220 family aircraft per month in 2026 to slowly discontinue the 320 and from there on concentrate fully on A321(with 40 per month) while starting to transition removed A320 capacity to the A322 (A321 with new wing and engine and A220 cockpit), and ...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 254
Views: 41690

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

A two class 150 seat aircraft, sufficantly lighter / leaner than the A320s / 737-800s looks tempting for some operations op to 3-4 hours. 28F seems like a very large cabin. I don't think anyone operates an F cabin in the US anywhere near as large? In Europe it is highly unlikely that any large airl...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 254
Views: 41690

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

When deciding to commit to a new type, longer term developments are taken into account. While the A220-300 seems well positioned as A318, A319, 737-700 replacement, an A220-500 would overlap with the A320 and 737-8, despite being a little smaller / less capable. While the focus for the next few year...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:30 am
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Progress: Case for a Dedicated Helicopter / VTOL Forum
Replies: 49
Views: 7867

Re: Progress: Case for a Dedicated Helicopter / VTOL Forum

Thanks for the support. I feel a new forum could be really succesfull for a.net. Earlier on I proposed to have members point out 50-100 good threads on Helicopter / VTOL topics in other forums and move them to the new forum. That way the Helicopter / VTOL forum could be filled with interesting topic...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321neo operators alerted over 'excessive pitch' anomaly
Replies: 85
Views: 22582

Re: A321neo operators alerted over 'excessive pitch' anomaly

As I, a fool I know, understand it - as the A320 is a FBW aeroplane the all fixes are software related and part of the core flight envelope programming. The MAX however required additional and new flight control software to become initially certifiable. A big difference. You nailed it on the head. ...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM getting bad press over breastfeeding
Replies: 99
Views: 6997

Re: KLM getting bad press over breastfeeding

Scandalous Lets post dozens of big breast feeding photos here, now. And see what happens W'll say it's a scandal when they are removed or are not removed. https://www.heart.co.uk/lifestyle/parenting/mum-furious-ryanair-stop-breastfeeding-flight/ https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/feat-united-air...

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by keesje
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF to order A220, replace A380 with 787 or A350?
Replies: 164
Views: 30810

Re: AF to order A220, replace A380 with 787 or A350?

If the news is correct then Air France would take A321neo and A220-300 instead of A321neo, A320neo and A319neo. What happens to the "family concept"? We can then legitimately ask the question on the fate of the A319neo, although we know the A319neo with CFM Leap-1A engines already obtaine...

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 287
Views: 57063

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

I wonder how they came up with that 450 orders for the MAX-10? I count 579. While some of these are in jeopardy, I am not aware of any canceled orders. Of course, Boeing insists that a MAX order is a MAX order, and the airline is free to change precise numbers of variants. People have been combinin...

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

At this moment, actually Boeing is still unsure if their NMA will be a 757 or 767 based. As for me I believed that NMA should be based on the 757... If Boeing decides that their NMA will be based on the 757, it will be the base for their new 737 or NSA too.... Boeing knows exactly what the first va...

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:23 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Canada - Future Fighter Capability Project
Replies: 116
Views: 24309

Re: Canada - Future Fighter Capability Project

For joint training, exercises, inflight refuelling exercises for UN operations. NATO familirization. You think that Canadian aircraft need to do that? Both air forces worked together over Iraq/Syria for almost a year before the Canadians pulled out in 2016. They also flew together at exercise Pitch...

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France - KLM no 737 MAX / A320 NEO orders
Replies: 165
Views: 37554

Re: Air France - KLM no 737 MAX / A320 NEO orders

Air France has 51 A318s, A319. These don't use AKH's.

A220-300's seem an efficient shoe in..

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https://aeronauticsonline.com/air-france-plans-fleet-replacement/

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:44 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Canada - Future Fighter Capability Project
Replies: 116
Views: 24309

Re: Canada - Future Fighter Capability Project

Maybe a good team for the French to send some Rafales to Canada. For joint training, exercises, inflight refuelling exercises for UN operations. NATO familirization. Send a A330-MRTT with it for the trip. Why, Dassault has already withdrawn and as per the Canadian procurement website can no longer ...

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:11 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Canada - Future Fighter Capability Project
Replies: 116
Views: 24309

Re: Canada - Future Fighter Capability Project

Maybe a good team for the Frtench to send some Rafales to Canada. For joint training, exercises, inflight refuelling exercises for UN operations. NATO familirization. Send a A330-MRTT with it for the trip.

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Italians recover A2A missile during Police raid
Replies: 12
Views: 1136

Re: Italians recover A2A missile during Police raid

The Qatar Air Force / Government has egg on it's face for sure.

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

At this moment, actually Boeing is still unsure if their NMA will be a 757 or 767 based. As for me I believed that NMA should be based on the 757... If Boeing decides that their NMA will be based on the 757, it will be the base for their new 737 or NSA too.... Agree, as Astuteman argues economies o...

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by keesje
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Passenger on AA from KIN-MIA asked to deboard to change from her romper outfit
Replies: 117
Views: 8105

Re: Passenger on AA from KIN-MIA asked to deboard to change from her romper outfit

EC135C wrote:
She has no class. Just an attention grabbing wannbe. Kick her off.


:biggrin: :biggrin: throwing oil :talktothehand:

I always love when somebody is dragged of an aircraft for questionable reasons & then he / she is a docter with a lawyer. :stirthepot:

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

Your image has a flightglobal icon. Where did Flight global post the OEW for the NMA? Where did the 72T OEW weight figure come from? Nowhere, because 797 / A322 are both powerpoint concepts at this stage & Boeing themselves don't know yet. I took a 763, decreased OEW 7% because of lower payload...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 135
Views: 14759

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

I would respect Boyd's views vs any of the amateurs on airliners.net Actually think SDF could work very well for BA to LHR. That flight would provide an option for the population and thier economies within 1.5-2 hour radius of SDF...@8M. The TATL competition in the region is only CDG Add to that th...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 135
Views: 14759

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

A re-instate of AMS-BDL (Hartford) would be great. DL would need to convert some A321s. Successful firms and people learn from their mistakes. NW's BDL-AMS didn't even last 18 months. With the build up of LCC TATL service at BOS and NYC since then there's little reason to expect BDL-AMS to do subst...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Main reasons why long range planes are often used on rather short to medium routes?
Replies: 20
Views: 1981

Re: Main reasons why long range planes are often used on rather short to medium routes?

Off the top of my head, only things I can think of are capacity, fleet utilization, aircraft re-positioning, ferry to a maintenance base, crew familiarization for a new type. :bigthumbsup: what about reserve replacement aircraft, cargo opportunities & evacuation flights, from the top of my head?

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

https://07185918574543712684.googlegroups.com/attach/f81183f764873/A322%20NMA%20797%20keesje.jpg?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrHJF2zsq00YBIVCyBNn1ip5gIwy-_uJ2Ori_OQ17XtwEzSuQrtjvlmTpU2K1XB5OlYeiEr1jRdvWRIZ-a-_lknsAWj1itbNkAxqEHQVXzGRin12AV0 . Your image has a flightglobal icon. Where did Flight ...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 135
Views: 14759

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

A re-instate of AMS-BDL (Hartford) would be great. DL would need to convert some A321s.

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:11 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Helicopter Technology & Operations Forum
Replies: 1
Views: 554

Helicopter Technology & Operations Forum

Hi, I opened a post in the site related forum to convince a.net ownership to start a dedicated Helicopter VTOL forum. It's a very dynamic, interesting world and I'm sure we can have dozens of interesting, progressing discussions. https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--8FFMA3N1--/c_scal...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

Large - 787NEO and the 787-11. Medium - 797 Small - NSA I actually expect the same from Airbus with somehow different lineup: Small A220 Medium - 321/322 (size wise will probably be named 370) Large - 350Neo while Small and Large will coexist between A & B due to the sheer size of the market an...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

Airbus 100% copy of Boeing :rotfl:. :snaggletooth: Agree, Boeing innovation has been dazzling. First the MAX and now the 797. Continiuos innovation & it just doesn't stop. Airbus can learn a thing or 2. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DowitrCzH-4/WcpsKSc4J1I/AAAAAAAACw4/tSGvOzpEhLIxwB4O0lXFL...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:40 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Solar batteries on airliner skin
Replies: 26
Views: 1619

Re: Solar batteries on airliner skin

It would make nice PR for the press and passengers, in a symbolic way. We are taking steps for the environment, balancing with sustainable energy. 98% can't calculate the nett result would be negative / laughable small. It's all about perceptions / making money. People feel guilty today flying. And ...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

They took advantage of the situation but they are not innovators like at one time. They prefer copying Boeing today. Yes, the A330NEO, A380, A400M, Beluga, 321XLR if you look real good, all copies of uhh.. Boeings. FBW, 2 pilot WB's, Glare, carbon pannels, geared fans, A350 morfing wings, A220, glo...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

And that makes the business case problematic. Does Boeing really need another plane to kill the A330NEO for good or should the 787 not do exactly that? And if you look at the limited sales of the A330NEO would the large MoM not only eat into 787 sales? Looking at sales & specs of the 787 and A3...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

The A321 will have an empty weight of around 52t, engine choice and low operating costs, also >4000NM. Comfortably 18 inch seats 19 inch aisle. The 52t enables it however to fly the bulk of the flights, 1-4 hours efficiently too. Thats why it's ordered by the thousands. Will a 5000NM twin aisle be ...

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by keesje
Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

The A321 will have an empty weight of around 52t, engine choice and low operating costs, also >4000NM. Comfortably 18 inch seats 19 inch aisle. The 52t enables it however to fly the bulk of the flights, 1-4 hours efficiently too. Thats why it's ordered by the thousands. Will a 5000NM twin aisle be a...

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by keesje
Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??
Replies: 30
Views: 2829

Re: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??

Looking at their prior cheerleading on the A346, I perceive an mild anti-Boeing bias. Lightsaber :arrow: They weren't there when A346 was launched & qualified it as a dud in 2014. https://leehamnews.com/2014/12/23/worlds-dud-airliners/ EIS: 1. 777-8 ?? never ?? 2. 777-9 ?? 2021 ?? 3. E175-E2 ??...

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by keesje
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??
Replies: 30
Views: 2829

Re: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??

Looking at their prior cheerleading on the A346, I perceive an mild anti-Boeing bias. Lightsaber :arrow: They weren't there when A346 was launched & qualified it as a dud in 2014. https://leehamnews.com/2014/12/23/worlds-dud-airliners/ EIS: 1. 777-8 ?? never ?? 2. 777-9 ?? 2021 ?? 3. E175-E2 ??...

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by keesje
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??
Replies: 30
Views: 2829

Re: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??

Are we speculating on what new derivatives will enter service before 2027? The article states it will be 16 if Boeing launches the NMA. There are 14 new and derivative aircraft scheduled for entry into service (EIS) through 2027. This rises to 16 if Boeing launches the New Midmarket Aircraft (NMA)....

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by keesje
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1050
Views: 145223

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

The competition is a single aisle design, which has a much more favourable aisle to seat ratio than a 7 abreast. And as you can not shrink the aisles for practical purposes, you must reduce the seat width to reduce the width penalty of your 2 aisle design. We will never again see a new design that ...

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by keesje
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??
Replies: 30
Views: 2829

Re: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??

sergegva wrote:
A319neo


:checkmark:

Image

sergegva wrote:
but I'm still not convinced it will enter service...


:checkmark: They might pull an A350-800 here..

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by keesje
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??
Replies: 30
Views: 2829

Re: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??

Don’t forget the new 9 seater electric plane. That’ll be used in scheduled service. I doubt that one is included. Boeing pulled a plug. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2019/07/02/zunum-aero-nears-zero-founders-struggle-to-raise-money-after-laying-off-staff/ 1. 777-8 2. 777-9 3. E175-E2 ...

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by keesje
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??
Replies: 30
Views: 2829

Re: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??

So what happened to the MAX-9 and the MAX version to seat 200 pax for FR, I don't think that is the same as the MAX-10 which is supposed to eventually replace the MAX 9. It seems MAX 9 entered service with United in 2018. The FR 200 pax seems an -8 with dense cabin. https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/...

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by keesje
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??
Replies: 30
Views: 2829

Re: Leeham: 14 new airplanes and derivatives see EIS through 2027. ??

So what happened to the MAX-9 and the MAX version to seat 200 pax for FR, I don't think that is the same as the MAX-10 which is supposed to eventually replace the MAX 9. It seems MAX 9 entered service with United in 2018. The FR 200 pax seems marketing of the -8 with denser cabin. https://www.lucht...

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