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by keesje
Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Interflug / old Aeroflot crew rosters
Replies: 15
Views: 2755

Re: Interflug / old Aeroflot crew rosters

I think I was raised feeling sorry for the poor east europeans, suffering from communism. They were raised with similar propaganda. The unreliable europeans attacked them and slaughtered 20 million russians and then tells them how to behave. https://www.google.com/search?q=deaths+ww2&client=ms-a...

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by keesje
Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Speculation : Airbus Response to a possible NMA-5
Replies: 66
Views: 9211

Re: Speculation : Airbus Response to a possible NMA-5

How much heavier is the empty weight of an A321xlr versus the A321neo? About 2t? Will the A322 be another 2t heavier? If the xlr takes 18t out to 4700nm, then the NMA will be designed to take 22t out to 5000nm, and the Airbus response will be to build a plane that takes 24t out to 5300nm, or someth...

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by keesje
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Speculation : Airbus Response to a possible NMA-5
Replies: 66
Views: 9211

Re: Speculation : Airbus Response to a possible NMA-5

How much heavier is the empty weight of an A321xlr versus the A321neo? About 2t? Will the A322 be another 2t heavier? If the xlr takes 18t out to 4700nm, then the NMA will be designed to take 22t out to 5000nm, and the Airbus response will be to build a plane that takes 24t out to 5300nm, or someth...

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by keesje
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Speculation : Airbus Response to a possible NMA-5
Replies: 66
Views: 9211

Re: Speculation : Airbus Response to a possible NMA-5

Assuming NMA-5 is a 2-3-2 with a little bit more capacity than an A322 and more range - call it 5,000 NM at about 224 31" seats and they can reuse the cross section for NSA - what should Airbus do? They could simply stretch the A321XLR to A322 (plus 3 rows) - Gaining capacity but as Keesje cal...

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by keesje
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I think for competing with the A321/ a A322, Boeing should send out RFI's for a 35-40k lbs engine, not for a 50k lbs engine. If it's bigger, it costs and burns more.

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by keesje
Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I think there are some evolutionary enhancements Boeing could use to regain market preference. Shelving transatlantic, technology miracles, twin aisle and 280 seat ambitions would be part of that. Because apparently the airlines are not really asking for that. Maybe a separate topic. So Rev doesn't ...

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by keesje
Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

What announcement would make executives in Toulouse and Hamburg sit up straight, pay attention and make calls? Probably not another $15B MoM defibrillation.

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by keesje
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:51 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: European Multirole MPA Replacement, C-500 Beagle Concept >2030
Replies: 153
Views: 16060

Re: European Multirole MPA Replacement, C-500 Beagle Concept >2030

The P-1 is a dedicated MPA and seems to have the superior specs, that come with a purposely developed aircraft. Putting your faith with Japan is something apparently avoided so far by all nations. What's the problem with buying a Japanese aircraft? Support, training, language, manuals, parts, broad...

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by keesje
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United adding seatback IFE - AVOD to older narrow body aircraft
Replies: 132
Views: 14223

Re: United adding seatback IFE - AVOD to older narrow body aircraft

An inspiring movie, a little knee & shoulder space, a decent meal and I don't care how old the aircraft is (A340/A380 stability & cabin quietness are a boon)

In front it doesn't matter that much, you have enough space for laptop/ tablet and are pampered / sleeping anyway.

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by keesje
Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Having different wings, ranges also means, wing boxes, controls, systems, landing gears and engines to be really competitive. https://live.staticflickr.com/4104/35555869622_824376dc35_z.jpg source: keesje If you do all that, going for a real optimum fuselage isn't that big of an extra step/investmen...

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by keesje
Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I would be carefull putting all my eggs in the innovation basket in this industry. Breakthroughs, gamechangers, paradigm changes and amazing technology enablers seldom reach mass production. Often greenwashing, justifications play a role. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DowitrCzH-4/WcpsKSc4J1I/AA...

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by keesje
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Does Boeing need a mid-range plane to beat the XLR flying transAtlantic, or does it need to beat the A322 flying Hawaii, premium transcon / JetBlue MInt, hub to hub, and Spirit and Frontier with 250 passengers? I would think a design that can do both effectively & competitively. Hopefully even ...

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by keesje
Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

flipdewaf wrote:
It applies to everything, even in..
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We can all dream...
Fred

:goodvibes: Food for thought on a sunny friday afternoon.

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by keesje
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If bypass ratio was everything, Southwest would have ordered the A220 like you projected in countless threads and posts, and MAX7 would not be built. "Though Southwest took a hard look at the Airbus A220, which would have delivered better economics per trip, the Boeing discounts and compensati...

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by keesje
Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I've been vaguely enthusiastic about a 767 re-engine for at least a decade. The smaller 748 GENX seemed a perfect match. GE even promoted it, many Farnboroughs back in time. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h2-uToUYxIo/Wjb7YidzrjI/AAAAAAAADSY/Nrk4tafc0PYqKXZc1qkNLSg3BaZqchltgCLcBGAs/s1600/Boeing%...

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by keesje
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

A NMA OEW of 72t is an ambitious target, if it was much lighter Boeing would have specified lower thrust engines. I would expect MTOW has a much greater impact in gauging engine thrust than OEW. Of course, together with other performance requirements. But usually OEW and MTOW are linear related, fe...

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by keesje
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Morrisond, you seem a bit overly optimistic too me :yes: Yet according to you when you rewing, new gear and presumably new engine on an existing fuselage - Say a 321/322 rewing you say it will only cost a few billion. No way, I never said/ thought that. A new wing changes the total dynamics and perf...

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by keesje
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

A NMA OEW of 72t is an ambitious target, if it was much lighter Boeing would have specified lower thrust engines. Plus, the basic design is a basis for significant larger, more capable variants up to 300 seats. That usually doesn't make the short version very light (Ref. A358. 788, 77LR, 737-7, A319...

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by keesje
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Even an A322, if you put a long haul 3 class cabin in it, would be able to do transatlantic. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bcgICdFifv0/WVutthMVAPI/AAAAAAAABLg/mNZW4I7VU78eVVXsfOp0ahqwPaqqiRthgCLcBGAs/s1600/Airbus%2BA322%2BXR%2BKeesje%2BMoM%2BNMA%2BBoeing.jpg But regional/ domestic 250 seats, c...

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by keesje
Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Even an A322, if you put a long haul 3 class cabin in it, would be able to do transatlantic. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bcgICdFifv0/WVutthMVAPI/AAAAAAAABLg/mNZW4I7VU78eVVXsfOp0ahqwPaqqiRthgCLcBGAs/s1600/Airbus%2BA322%2BXR%2BKeesje%2BMoM%2BNMA%2BBoeing.jpg But regional/ domestic 250 seats, co...

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by keesje
Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:02 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: European Multirole MPA Replacement, C-500 Beagle Concept >2030
Replies: 153
Views: 16060

Re: European Multirole MPA Replacement, C-500 Beagle Concept >2030

bikerthai wrote:
One thing that the P-8 or the A320 MMA has that the grown crew would appreciate over the P-3 is the waste removal procedure :ill: :yuck:
bt


P-3C.. :crazy: :yuck: it made sure everybody travelled light..

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by keesje
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If Airbus launches a "cheap" same wing A322NEO, based on the 101t A321XLR, that can easily cover Europe, US mainland and China with 250 passengers, what will be left of the MoM/NMA projections? If AA, DL, UA order 100 Mobile, Pratt powered A322s each and Airbus leaves the 2023 Paris Airsh...

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by keesje
Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

They have bet the house with MAX. If there ever was a time to walk away from a product we just saw it, yet what we saw was Boeing cling even tighter to it, bind their future even more to getting the last penny out of the MAX product. Same with customers: it was the easiest time ever to decide to pa...

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by keesje
Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Customers buy tons of A321neos. A321neo is a 757 sized aircraft which is what Boeing said it will be. But it has to offer more than that if you want people to wait 8 years People bought lots of A321NEO's and lots of 737-8s. But even more A320NEO's. Medium size range-capacity, as defined for NMA, se...

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by keesje
Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So Boeing will be better developing a familiy of aircraft that can outshine everything else in the domestic markets 150-250 seats and can offer TATL range if necessary. A future Product just has to have more than 1000 built to be valiable and I do not think a MOM aircraft can do that. :checkmark: :...

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by keesje
Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I think at some point Airbus will launch a A320 replacement, slightly bigger than 737-8, with engine choice, container options, quiet spacey cabine and full A320/A321NEO commonality. But only after Boeing has fully commited itself to an NMA, starting around A321 size. https://lh3.googleusercontent....

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by keesje
Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I think at some point Airbus will launch a A320 replacement, slightly bigger than 737-8, with engine choice, container options, quiet spacey cabine and full A320/A321NEO commonality. But only after Boeing has fully commited itself to an NMA, starting around A321 size. https://lh3.googleusercontent.c...

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by keesje
Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Sash Tusa on the -5x concept: But is Boeing preparing the right aircraft? “That aircraft cannot compete with the XLR, except at extreme ranges,”.. “And it does not solve Boeing’s biggest problem.” In his view, the main problem is that the MAX is turning into a “single-point design,” with only the 73...

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by keesje
Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I think by going for a bigger more capable NMA, Boeing risks losing overall market share longer term. And I'm for sure not the only one. In January 2020, Boeing had said it was pausing NMA development because dealing with the 737 Max grounding had pushed it beyond an ideal mid-2020s launch date. The...

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by keesje
Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:32 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: European Multirole MPA Replacement, C-500 Beagle Concept >2030
Replies: 153
Views: 16060

Re: European Multirole MPA Replacement, C-500 Beagle Concept >2030

https://aircosmosinternational.com/arti ... idons-3141

I guess the Germans / French will have to decide sooner than later.
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It seems the US is actively campaigning the P8 already to Germany..

https://aircosmosinternational.com/arti ... idons-3141

I guess the Germans / French will have to decide sooner than later.

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by keesje
Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I don't think Boeing can't survive too many WN, FR "wins" https://leehamnews.com/2021/04/05/pontifications-southwest-didnt-invite-airbus-to-bid/, ($23-30mln :wideeyed: ) and they need a real competitive offer also in to 130-150 seat segment. https://www.aerotime.aero/upload/files/table_com...

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by keesje
Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Ignoring reality and going 220-280 seats up to 5000NM NMA seems an even more uncertain trajectory. It's a market that is currently being addressed inefficiently with existing narrowbody and widebody designs and one that Airbus cannot as-effectively respond to without doing their own clean-sheet des...

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by keesje
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I'd be interested to know how Boeing is supposed to make an A320neo clone that is 10% better"" using the same materials and engines that the A320neo does. The MAX wing is already better"" than the A320neo wing, but I'm not sure how they make it so much better"" that it...

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by keesje
Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Pythagoras, CanukinUSA, thank you for your educated views, opinions above. Back to topic, I think many of the NMA specifications, outlooks drift on one major assumption: The 737 MAX will be just fine against A320 / A220 families this decade. There are signs that's not a realistic assumption. Market ...

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by keesje
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330 and A340 Movements/Write-off/Retirements/Scrap Thread - 2021
Replies: 33
Views: 11467

Re: A330 and A340 Movements/Write-off/Retirements/Scrap Thread - 2021

Must be an interesting market. Old frames (>20-25 yrs, cycles, hours) becoming unattractive for another expensive heavy check, while still >1000 frames are active and will be for many years. So engines, landing gears, apu's, and other expensive LRU's are valuable.

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by keesje
Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:43 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: F-15X has no mission!
Replies: 104
Views: 5964

Re: F-15X has no mission!

The oldest F15's are falling apart and the 750B budget has to be spend. Lots of jobs on the line. It's the only pick-up truck around because no affordable replacements arpund soon. Range & 2 man crew are important here.

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by keesje
Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RR begins building worlds largest jet engine
Replies: 96
Views: 17056

Re: RR begins building worlds largest jet engine

Engine BPR is determined by the core engine too. If that is e.g. slightly narrower than the XWB, that could improve BPR. I think Airbus foresees a A350-1000 stretch over time. That or 777X could be launching customers for a bigger RR engine. https://www.flightglobal.com/systems-and-interiors/a350-st...

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by keesje
Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321XLR’s rear fuel tank demands special fire-protection conditions
Replies: 197
Views: 32690

Re: A321XLR’s rear fuel tank demands special fire-protection conditions

If there would be an issue with the new tank configurations and floor heating, it must be solved, by a different design, new requirements , testing and certification. Whatever it takes. If that is not the case, it might be a "you too" effort by a competing manufacturer. To win time, divert...

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by keesje
Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:35 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 263
Views: 81000

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

IMO Chinooks still are the only short term, affordable solution. Probably true, certainly for use with allies with similar, you have to wonder though if both Germany and Sikorsky did not miss a trick when the CH-53K was being planned, as in give some work to German industry in return for a decent s...

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by keesje
Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:28 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 263
Views: 81000

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

IMO Chinooks still are the only short term, affordable solution.

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by keesje
Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321XLR’s rear fuel tank demands special fire-protection conditions
Replies: 197
Views: 32690

Re: A321XLR’s rear fuel tank demands special fire-protection conditions

Are they allowed to put those types of floor panels over fuel tanks by the regulators? Honest question from my experience. As far as I am aware they have been used in a variety of aircraft from business jets to airliners before without restriction. My understanding it is like a heated blanket betwe...

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by keesje
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA328 engine explosion at DEN
Replies: 600
Views: 107541

Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

It seems the Japanese pulled the plug on those engines, after that the FAA and Boeing.

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by keesje
Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PW4000 powered B777 Fleet Groundings
Replies: 90
Views: 14890

Re: PW4000 powered B777 Fleet Groundings

https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/jal ... 74.article

Was Boeing /FAA take initiative to ground this sub fleet, or did they after the Japanse authorities did so?
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Who remembers just 2 months ago. https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/jal ... 74.article

Was Boeing /FAA take initiative to ground this sub fleet, or did they after the Japanse authorities did so?

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by keesje
Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

In general I agree with Fluidflow and Chemist. But 2028-2030 for an advanced, competitive NB seems feasible. Financially.. put aside market mechanisms. I cannot imagine a country spending $750B/yr on defense cannot bring up $15B to save their civil aviation industry. Boeing f.cked up in a big way, l...

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by keesje
Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1652
Views: 162662

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So we are already at 93-94t MTOW vs the 101 of the 321xlr and this is just with a clean up, I bet there is more possible, look at the difference between A339 and 787-9 OEW. Boeing could do the same with the NSA vs the XLR. Bringing the target MTOW down 10-15t should lead to around 8t advantage in t...

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by keesje
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 424
Views: 74510

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

inkjet7 wrote:
keesje wrote:
AF has 60 A220 options on top of the order for 60. For KLM A220-300+ -500s seems a good fit. .

But KL got the E195-E2.


Both A220-300 and possible -500 would be significant bigger than a E195-E2. Not 737 replacements.

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by keesje
Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair orders 75 Boeing 737 MAX 8-200s
Replies: 110
Views: 21784

Re: Ryanair orders 75 Boeing 737 MAX 8-200s

Good for Boeing ! And Ryanair, where can you order aircraft for delivery 2021. They are probably build already. Oh good good. No more need to discuss idiot rumours of them (or Southwest) "buying Airbus" planes Ryanair Airbusses? Very few rumours there. It seems you are trying to camouflage...

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by keesje
Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 424
Views: 74510

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

AF has 60 A220 options on top of the order for 60. For KLM A220-300+ -500s seems a good fit. Agree though there will new A321s anyway.

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by keesje
Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 424
Views: 74510

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

Maybe Airbus has a long term strategy. Short term profit maximalisation isn't the only goal. Slashing costs, selling off assetts, pushing out debt, pulling forward income, pressuring the government for tax cuts, certification streamlining, draining the supply chain, pushing out investment, facelifti...

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by keesje
Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 424
Views: 74510

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

I think for a project like A220-500 from launch to EIS of the first 10, will easily take 4-5 years, 2025. But if you are careful, focus on COVID-19 implications, on short term cost reductions and cash management, maintaining share holder value, engage with customers too fully understand what adds va...

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