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by ckfred
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: American Airlines to Modify Project Oasis Planes.
Replies: 258
Views: 49983

Re: Rumor: American Airlines to Modify Project Oasis Planes.

Considering how many AA MD-80s and F100s I've flown, with no entertainment whatsoever, I always bring a book, a couple of magazines, and the Chicago Tribune and the WSJ. If the 738 has no IFE, I start with the WSJ.

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by ckfred
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: American Airlines to Modify Project Oasis Planes.
Replies: 258
Views: 49983

Re: Rumor: American Airlines to Modify Project Oasis Planes.

I don’t understand the fixation on seat back IFE that many people have on this forum. Wouldn’t it be simpler to have in seat power in all seats and bring your own device? Here's the rub. I don't travel for business, so I don't have a laptop. I have a tablet, but it's ancient and very slow. I only t...

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by ckfred
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA gets permanent injunction against mechanics union
Replies: 83
Views: 8879

Re: AA gets permanent injunction against mechanics union

First, I know a lot of unionized workers who gladly take on overtime. When pay is time and a half or double, a few hours per week adds up. The fact that AA mechanics aren't taking overtime tells me there is a concerted effort to disrupt AA's operations. Second, I wonder if legacy AA employees are ha...

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by ckfred
Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 478
Views: 72469

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Still, this is nothing like back in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when service to the West Coast from ORD was mostly widebodies (DC-10s, 762s, and 763s). That included SEA, SFO, LAX, SAN, PHX, and LAS.

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by ckfred
Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: American Airlines Increases International Presence, Makes First Entrance Into Africa
Replies: 508
Views: 94171

Re: Updated: American Airlines Increases International Presence, Makes First Entrance Into Africa

After reading all of the comments about Doug Parker, the question I have is whether the unions now regret supporting Parker and his efforts to have US buy AA out of bankruptcy. Any thoughts? Of course, the unions initially like every AA CEO, grew to dislike him strongly, then missed him when the ne...

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by ckfred
Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: American Airlines Increases International Presence, Makes First Entrance Into Africa
Replies: 508
Views: 94171

Re: Updated: American Airlines Increases International Presence, Makes First Entrance Into Africa

After reading all of the comments about Doug Parker, the question I have is whether the unions now regret supporting Parker and his efforts to have US buy AA out of bankruptcy. Any thoughts? Of course, the unions initially like every AA CEO, grew to dislike him strongly, then missed him when the nex...

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by ckfred
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s
Replies: 70
Views: 16360

Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

I saw an interview on CNBC with Doug Parker on the day of the earnings release. He said that retirement plans are being modified and will continue to be modified with the continued grounding of the MAX. He was polite, but you could tell that he is frustrated that Boeing and the FAA can't seem to giv...

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by ckfred
Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United forms partnership with Clear
Replies: 34
Views: 4545

Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Clear is also getting involved with the screening at sports venues. So, if you fly out of an airport with Clear, and you go to games at the local sports stadium that has Clear screening, it really makes sense to join Clear. I know Clear operates at DTW, as well as the home field of the Detroit Tiger...

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by ckfred
Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA move to T5 in LHR?
Replies: 72
Views: 11579

Re: AA move to T5 in LHR?

Assuming that AA is pushing BA to allows a shift its LHR operations from Terminal 3 to Terminal 5, one has to assume that BA would like to move its ORD departures from Terminal 5 to Terminal 3. IB already departs out out of ORD T3 for MAD, as does JAL for MRT. The problem is that BA has been using a...

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by ckfred
Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA ORD Ground Stop 7-29-2019
Replies: 27
Views: 6035

Re: AA ORD Ground Stop 7-29-2019

This was probably 15 years ago, but I had dropped off my wife at ORD. She was flying Eagle that evening to CLT. About the time I pulled in the driveway, she called to say that the flight was cancelled, as were many other flights. The AA baggage office was a madhouse, because people were trying to ge...

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by ckfred
Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ORD "People Mover" Shutdown Causing Headaches
Replies: 46
Views: 9308

Re: ORD "People Mover" Shutdown Causing Headaches

My experience and the experience of friends for arriving at T5 is that Immigration and Customs aren't the bottlenecks. It's waiting for checked bags. Several years ago, I flew LHR-ORD on a BA 773. I could not believe the number of people who had checked bags, as well as the size of the bags. You wou...

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by ckfred
Thu May 23, 2019 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA Inspectors Accusing Agency of Negligence
Replies: 37
Views: 3713

Re: FAA Inspectors Accusing Agency of Negligence

I know that in most disputes, the truth is somewhere in the middle. But remember a while back when AA's MD-80 fleet was grounded several times? There was a directive to make a modification. AA started those modifications early in the time frame for completion. Then, a new FAA inspector in Dallas dec...

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by ckfred
Wed May 15, 2019 3:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 44% say wont take MAX for a year?
Replies: 96
Views: 8020

Re: 44% say wont take MAX for a year?

When Toyota and Lexus cars had troubles with unintended acceleration, because of the accelerators were electronic, rather than connected to the engine via mechanical linkage, many people swore off all Toyota makes. Yet, the Camry is still the best-selling car in the U.S., trailing only pick-ups and ...

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by ckfred
Wed May 15, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WestJet acquired by Onex in $5-billion deal
Replies: 103
Views: 19888

Re: WestJet acquired by Onex in $5-billion deal

AA had two reasons to invest in CP. First was to expand its reach into Canada, as UA had done with AC. Second was to funnel traffic to CP's Asian hub at YVR. UA had the old Pan Am Pacific division, and NW had its Asian route system. Every other U.S. airline was struggling to add routes to Asia. CP h...

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by ckfred
Sat May 11, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Adds New Domestic/Mexico/Caribbean Routes
Replies: 87
Views: 14947

Re: American Airlines Adds New Domestic/Mexico/Caribbean Routes

Interesting about PHL-EGE. AA used to fly nothing but 757s from ORD to the ski resorts. But for the last few years, it's been A319s as AA took delivery of Airbus aircraft and retired 757s. I think it was Tom Horton who said that PMAA ordered the A319, in part, because of its performance out of high-...

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by ckfred
Tue May 07, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 44% say wont take MAX for a year?
Replies: 96
Views: 8020

Re: 44% say wont take MAX for a year?

I would get on a MAX right now. A good friend of mine is a 737 captain. He learned about the MAX on his last refresher training, and he's flown a MAX one time (a 45 minute flight that didn't give him a chance to decide the pluses and minuses versus the NG). He thinks that crashes can be blamed on po...

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by ckfred
Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TSA Scanning Machines Flagging Too Many Black Women
Replies: 68
Views: 9909

Re: TSA Scanning Machines Flagging Too Many Black Women

I wonder if hair extensions play any role. My wife's hair stylist says that more women of color than white women use hair extensions. There is a lot of knotting that, I could see, presenting problems based on hair density.

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by ckfred
Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Could AAs San Juan (SJU) Survived with more fuel efficient aircraft?
Replies: 23
Views: 4414

Re: Could AAs San Juan (SJU) Survived with more fuel efficient aircraft?

Believe or not, SJU was a 727 haven until the early 90s and the build up of the 757 fleet. A friend of mine started out as a 727 F/E international, first flying to SJU out of New York before moving to ORD. If I remember correctly, often he would fly Antigua-San Juan, and then wait for an inbound fli...

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by ckfred
Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Charlotte-Munich: Already Failing?
Replies: 103
Views: 15229

Re: American Airlines Charlotte-Munich: Already Failing?

Why would AA even try to go against LH? LH has been on CLT-MUC for years and no doubt has all of the corporate contracts. But, a lot of corporations tell employees that they don't have to fly the preferred carrier, if the preferred carrier doesn't have a non-stop, while another carrier does. So, fo...

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by ckfred
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK
Replies: 140
Views: 21600

Re: AA Ends 767-300ER TATL Service From JFK

Several years ago, I flew an AA 763 between ORD and MIA in F with the latest cabin. Other than the lack of a screen, I thought the cabin was terrific, and I would not have had any problem flying to Europe in it. As for the concern about old F/As, the younger ones are on the way. I just flew ORD-IAH-...

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by ckfred
Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.
Replies: 226
Views: 47958

Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

When the 787 was grounded after the battery fire at BOS, airlines had 787s scattered everywhere. LOT had a 787 parked on the ramp, east of Terminal 5 at ORD for some time. It will be interesting to see if AA and UA decide to locate their 737 MAX aircraft at one location, and if they will continue to...

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by ckfred
Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1792
Views: 362976

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

Here's an example of evolution. Think of the livery change between AA's retro 757 and the retro 737. That change took place in the early 1960s, when AA started to take delivery of its 727-100s. The logo, inside an orange circle, went on the vertical stabilizer, replacing the airline name and the pai...

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by ckfred
Thu Mar 07, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: American Airlines to Modify Project Oasis Planes.
Replies: 258
Views: 49983

Re: Rumor: American Airlines to Modify Project Oasis Planes.

Random observations: 1. I don't think AA is about to bring back seatback IFE on the narrowbody fleet. A TV personality once told of a flight from New York to ORD, probably 5 or 6 years ago, with a United vice president who said that IFE might disappear, simply because so many people bring a phone, t...

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by ckfred
Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 720
Views: 115582

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

I met someone who works at O'Hare and he told me that in terms of airplane movements it was busier 15 years ago than it is now. I found that hard to believe so I checked. He was correct. O'hare's busiest year = 2004 with 972,248 movements. Can anyone explain why it dropped after then? Larger aircra...

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by ckfred
Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta MD-88s in Atlanta
Replies: 56
Views: 8671

Re: Delta MD-88s in Atlanta

A friend flew ORD-ATL-ORD last fall on MD-88s both ways. How soon before ORD stops seeing the MD-88? I think AA has pulled the last of the MD-80s out of ORD. So to not see any mainline T-tails at ORD will be very, strange.

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by ckfred
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 2/10/2019:AA Exits JFK-MCO; DL Extends ATL-OAK
Replies: 65
Views: 13376

Re: OAG Changes 2/10/2019:AA Exits JFK-MCO; DL Extends ATL-OAK

Is now JFK-BOS the last AA route at JFK that is at the same time domestic, non-hub and within the LGA perimeter? AA still has two daily round-trips on ORD-JFK. Although, my wife flew to ORD-ATH last fall, which had her changing planes at PHL. But, as AA reduces the number of domestic cities served ...

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by ckfred
Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Waiting for gate access at DFW
Replies: 42
Views: 5853

Re: Waiting for gate access at DFW

A friend of mine who flies for AA used to say that 20 minutes early equals 10 minutes late. That was back in the 1990s and early 2000s, before AA went to the rolling hub operation. I remember arriving at ORD on AA in that time frame and, if the gate was still occupied, either taxiing around the airp...

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by ckfred
Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:39 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AA to offer Free Apple Music
Replies: 20
Views: 3142

Re: AA to offer Free Apple Music

Apparently, access to Apple Music is a big deal. I don't get it, because I still play CDs. It's a music streaming service, with a massive library. Think Netflix, but with much more available content. For a large segment of the customer base it's a nice addition. I know what Apple Music is. I see my...

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by ckfred
Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AA to offer Free Apple Music
Replies: 20
Views: 3142

Re: AA to offer Free Apple Music

Before I couldn’t use Apple Music at all even if I paid for Wi-Fi, so this is a nice upgrade. Meanwhile Delta is taking delivery of new narrowbodies with in-seat IFE on board so you don’t have to worry about this... Several years ago, Mike Greenberg of ESPN recounted sitting next to a UA vice presi...

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by ckfred
Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:21 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AA to offer Free Apple Music
Replies: 20
Views: 3142

Re: AA to offer Free Apple Music

I just bought a new GM car last week. One of the features touted by the salesman is that you can access Apple Music with the car Wi-Fi. Apparently, access to Apple Music is a big deal. I don't get it, because I still play CDs.

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by ckfred
Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA announces upbeat Q4 2018 earnings
Replies: 53
Views: 7867

Re: AA announces upbeat Q4 2018 earnings

Slap in the face to employees. Almost one billion returned to the shareholders while employees get a measly 175 million in profit sharing. The board of directors and senior officers of a company have fiduciary duties to the shareholders. The only duty between an employer and an employee is contract...

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by ckfred
Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't AA order the 73G?
Replies: 25
Views: 4465

Re: Why didn't AA order the 73G?

When AA signed the 20-year deal with Boeing in the last 1990s, the plan was to replace the 727-200s with the 737-800s, while the MD-80s would be replaced with 737-700s. It wasn't certain as the to replacement plan for the F100s, because the 737-600 simply didn't work on routes other than long, thin ...

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by ckfred
Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ORD Global Terminal proposals released
Replies: 102
Views: 15701

Re: ORD Global Terminal proposals released

Here's something to consider. When Terminal 1 opened, it was an outstanding piece of architecture. But since it opened in the late 1980s, the exterior has become very, very dirty. Between the dust that gets kicked up from time to time, the exhaust of jet aircraft, the exhaust of the motor vehicles t...

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by ckfred
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta & O’Hare 21
Replies: 79
Views: 9889

Re: Delta & O’Hare 21

Some random thoughts. 1. I thought that DL flew ORD-CDG in the winter, because AF didn't have enough aircraft to service the route. With AF adding service to warm weather cities in the winter, it lacked the right size of aircraft. So, DL would fly the route with a 763. IIRC, this was purely an arran...

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by ckfred
Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA's Upgauges to Mainline: More to Come?
Replies: 111
Views: 17694

Re: AA's Upgauges to Mainline: More to Come?

If AA does weekend upgauging, it's due to aircraft flying football charters. This was a while back, but I was flying MIA-ORD on a Monday. The plane was scheduled to be a 757. But, a 763 arrived from ORD for the turn. One of the F/As explained that because of the number of 757s that get used for coll...

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by ckfred
Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 463
Views: 63766

Re: American Airlines Network Thread 2018

Even though AMS is a major hub for DL/KLM, starting service from PHL or any of the other hubs for AA would make sense. There was a very good article in the WSJ a while back, about what the European banks plan to do about their London offices in the wake of Brexit. The article suggested that banks wo...

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by ckfred
Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:04 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Delta Air Lines to ditch zone boarding in 2019
Replies: 33
Views: 3888

Re: Delta Air Lines to ditch zone boarding in 2019

I hate zone boarding. Load them up by row, back to front. That way all of the idiots that cant get their bags put away and their crap together aren't blocking all of the rest of the passengers from boarding and getting situated. I've done numerous time studies on it over the years and row boarding ...

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by ckfred
Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/18/2018:AA Adds ORD-GCM/PLS/YQB for Summer;D8 Suspends SWF-SNN;NK Loads Summer
Replies: 66
Views: 10709

Re: OAG Changes 11/18/2018:AA Adds ORD-GCM/PLS/YQB for Summer;D8 Suspends SWF-SNN;NK Loads Summer

It seems to me that ever since CP was taken over by AC, AA has struggled in the U.S.-Canada market. Since West Jet decided to align itself with Delta and end its relationship with AA, things have gotten tougher for AA.

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by ckfred
Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/11/2018:AA Drops CHA-ORD,MEX-PHL;AS Drops FCA-PDX;NK Adds MCO-KIN/MBJ/DEN;UA Drops FAY-IAD,Adds FAT-ORD
Replies: 103
Views: 14501

Re: OAG Changes 11/11/2018:AA Drops CHA-ORD,MEX-PHL;AS Drops FCA-PDX;NK Adds MCO-KIN/MBJ/DEN;UA Drops FAY-IAD,Adds FAT-O

My understanding is that when AA built the additional gates at ORD on Concourse L, some of the RJ gates elsewhere would revert back to mainline. So, seeing some of the frequency reductions, you wonder how many routes are seeing straight reductions with no change in aircraft, and how many are seeing ...

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by ckfred
Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA MadDog rumor du jour:
Replies: 49
Views: 13809

Re: AA MadDog rumor du jour:

From ORD, the MD-80 flew just about every domestic route, if you go back to the 1980s. My father was flying ORD-CAK in the late 1980s, and it seemed that every AA flight was with an MD-80. From my trips out of ORD, I flew on MD-80s to SEA, PHX, YYC, LAS, DFW, IAH, STL, ATL, MCO, TPA, LGA, and BOS. O...

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by ckfred
Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AFA & APFA flight attendant unions consider merging
Replies: 31
Views: 6037

Re: AFA & APFA flight attendant unions consider merging

Back when UA was in Chapter 11, I remember Sara Nelson threatening a CHAOS strike against UA, because UA wanted to make drastic changes to retirement benefits. Not once did that AFA initiate a CHAOS strike, and I think the F/As got stuck with the same lousy retirement plan as most other employees. U...

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by ckfred
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Describe AA in 3 Words Article
Replies: 117
Views: 13224

Re: Describe AA in 3 Words Article

The new uniforms are a perfect microcosm of AA a couple years ago. They took a chance to excite their frontline employees and deliver something stylish and unique, and instead delivered a boring gray outfit that makes people itchy. Stale, corporate, and aggravating. I guess that’s three more words....

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by ckfred
Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Describe AA in 3 Words Article
Replies: 117
Views: 13224

Re: Describe AA in 3 Words Article

Let me ask this question. What do the employees think of Doug Parker? Remember that the employees decided to back US's plan to buy AA, because they felt that Doug Parker had a better vision for the future of AA than did Tom Horton. I know a few pilots, and they also felt that a combined AA/US would ...

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by ckfred
Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did AA Dehub SJC?
Replies: 43
Views: 7410

Re: Why did AA Dehub SJC?

I'm getting SJC-TPE confused with ORD-AMS. AA announced ORD-AMS in 2001, to start either late spring or early summer of 2002. After September 11th, that route never started.

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by ckfred
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did AA Dehub SJC?
Replies: 43
Views: 7410

Re: Why did AA Dehub SJC?

AA has ruined the market in the west and basically handed the keys to WN served on a silver platter many times. AirCal, Reno Air, and since they tied up with US you can throw in US Airways into that mix by killing off s nice west coast network from America West. AA has a terrible track record at ma...

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by ckfred
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did AA Dehub SJC?
Replies: 43
Views: 7410

Re: Why did AA Dehub SJC?

The reason SJC was dehubbed in the 2000s was related to the dot.com and tech bubbles bursting. If you remember, the tech sector was doing very well in the run-up to Y2K. A lot of people in Silicon Valley were traveling to customers who needed hardware and software upgrades to avoid the problems that...

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by ckfred
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 737 Max hit by Fuel Truck at LGA
Replies: 11
Views: 9061

Re: AA 737 Max hit by Fuel Truck at LGA

A friend of mine is a 738 captain with AA. He's been flying the aircraft for nine years. He said, when he first saw the renderings of the MAX that the winglets would be a concern. The fact that the winglets are painted in the same shade of silver/gray as the fuselage makes them, in his opinion, easy...

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by ckfred
Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 10/28/2018:F9 Drops GSP-LAS/MCO,SAT-CVG/RDU,PIT-MCO/SAN,AUS-SJC,BNA-TTN,MCI-RDU;UA Adds FAI-SFO
Replies: 97
Views: 11525

Re: OAG Changes 10/28/2018:F9 Drops GSP-LAS/MCO,SAT-CVG/RDU,PIT-MCO/SAN,AUS-SJC,BNA-TTN,MCI-RDU;UA Adds FAI-SFO

I have flown a number of times between ORD and TPA on AA. Most of the time, AA has been at 3 daily R/T, although there was a time when AA cut the route to 2 daily R/T. At the same time, I've been on a lot of flights on the route in which gate agents had to offer some decent amounts of vouchers, beca...

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by ckfred
Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines announces service between LAX and Buenos Aires
Replies: 112
Views: 23967

Re: American Airlines announces service between LAX and Buenos Aires

If I remember correctly, both UA and AA tried ORD-EZE. I don't think either carrier lasted more than 2 years on the route. So, what does the Los Angeles metro area have going for it that the Chicago metro area lacked?

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by ckfred
Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA post Q3 2018 earnings
Replies: 101
Views: 14406

Re: AA post Q3 2018 earnings

The question of how much debt is too much has to be reviewed in light of the interest rates on the debt. Right now, I'm carrying far more credit card debt that typical. But, we bought some furniture with 0% interest for 4 years. Needless to say, I'm paying the minimum payment each month. At the end ...

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