Revenues for A&B will take a further hit from the parts market when excess planes eventually get parted out. Boeing's announcement of additional BCF lines is probably to support a viable secondary market for Boeing frames to cushion this impact.Jump to post
TG should opt for an all-Airbus fleet. Will help in their pilot upgrades too. A fleet of A320/321Neo , A339neo, A359/A350-1000. This fleet mix would help meet capacity and range issues for regional and long haul int’l. However, I’ve noticed many state-run carriers opt for some Boeing’s for politica...Jump to post
788 and 789 replace a330 The a380 should go immediately and the a333 and 77W eventually. The a380, it's issues have been hashed out ad nauseum, and the 77W overlaps with the newer A350, while the 787 can slot in for the a333. If they didn't have the 787 already, the a350 + a330neo would make sense....Jump to post
JonesNL wrote: I can't understand they do not understand that demand is dead for the next 18 months. The only reason that airliners are accepting deliveries are contractual obligations, not because they need it. Shoving your products in your customers throats when they do not want them is never a g...Jump to post
Maybe time for a revival of the famous 1971 billboard 'Will the last person leaving Seattle turn off the lights'. https://mynorthwest.com/25015/turn-out-the-lights-remembering-the-boeing-bust-billboard/ Seattle has grown a lot more diverse since then, there is Starbucks, Microsoft and Amazon now ba...Jump to post
I hold SQ in the highest regard. Best crew and service I've ever experienced. However, I think a bit of SQs grandeur will be chipped away by incorporating Silk Air and going NB. As a fellow poster had already mentioned the livery looks compressed on NB. Secondly, what was the point to incorporate S...Jump to post
Sokes wrote:Did the -8 stop selling because market is saturated or because Boeing realised they sold it too cheap earlier?
Again, let us not discuss what other users may or may not be feeling, that only leads to flame wars. The point about the Airbus AD was only raised in post #63, after we had many posts suggesting there was some generic broad issue with Boeing's QA. It shows something that should be obvious, that whi...Jump to post
Noshow wrote:Didn't they standardize the -8 on the basis of the -9 mods already some time ago? So would this be some ULR-8 for some reason or "a rich man's" NMA?
Agreed, and nobody pointed out that the FAA has just issued an AD for 1000+ frames for the best selling narrowbody product from a giant European aircraft maker, with similar precautions. Must be fun for news outlets to bash Boeing even if its doing the right thing. This is such weird logic, because...Jump to post
Then again no other OEM in recent history has had over 300 people die in a year due to crashes due to the same problem which they refused to acknowledge initially. Anything you say or do after that is going to be looked at in a different light. Using that logic, can we bring up the bribery scandal ...Jump to post
Wow, I got type 2 diabetes just by reading the Boeing sugarcoating that's going on this thread. You mean it didn't line up with the standard a.net refrain so you panicked? Let's see, boeing finds issue, it's a problem. Doesn't find issue and someone else does, its a problem. No one finds an issue, ...Jump to post
chunhimlai wrote:Boeing can restart their airline business with A380/340/320/220
And they will build new terminals and hub in ORD, SEA, LAX and CHS
As explained above, the 787 has managed to erase the A330 cost advantage, the 787 is also a mature product with almost all the teething problems resolved for quite a few years now, plus production issues have been ironed out long ago - the 787 is more available than the A330 now if you ordered a br...Jump to post
I think the A330neo is a lot better than most think. Covid is not helping, but most airframes, not just the A330neo, are effected. I wouldn't be surprised if EK take 40 A330neos seeing as the 779 is now delayed until 2022, and EK seems to be assessing their fleet away from 777 & A380s. Why woul...Jump to post
The old A330/A340 line must be written off? So it should be cheap to build new A330neos compared to new high tech lines with expensive technologies and teething troubles.. Experienced final assembly staff is available as well that is far down the learning curve. It doesn't get much better than this...Jump to post
A slightly interesting plane out there is 3K's 9V-JSW, which was transferred from BL, this plane wears BL's gray Jetstar logo on its tail and a displaced Jetstar title on the starboard side. This may eventually be the last plane to spot the BL variation livery.Jump to post
According to the Thomson Reuters article, Airbus says that the cracks were discovered on a few Trent XWB-84 engines (not the -75, -79, -79B, or -97), and that there are about 50 of these engines currently in service. Let's hope that the scope of the problem is limited to that model. Although I've g...Jump to post
They're flying LAX-SIN with the "basic" A359, right now. :checkmark: And funnily enough, that actually offers them an advantage : Cargo is still going strong, and SQ's freighter fleet is stretched to the max worldwide, trying to make up for the decline in belly capacity... so having the s...Jump to post
I have never understood the fascination of a.netters with "belly" cargo. If it's such a money maker, why do they even bother flying people? Belly cargo is what is helping some airlines get by in these times. Even in good times, belly cargo can sometimes cover the cost of the flight itself...Jump to post
Bricktop wrote:N47 wrote:Didnt they gift one of their 748 to turkey. So all together they had 4 at one time.
I think it was Morocco.
Edit: That was the Emiratis that gave it to Morocco.
klm617 wrote:Which retro livery. The one worn by the CL-44s.
Thanks for the explanation. But one more question, is the market even there for at least one large charter operator? I don't know, considering COVID changing things, but I still am wondering. Omni Air is still around. I got to sample their 762ERs a couple times for military charter. I wouldn't be s...Jump to post
Opus99 wrote:So what happens after certification flight?
I understand there is a need for posturing, but it seems there should be a better way to work through the current crisis. I disagree. Contract is contract. Customers have to take their planes. Sure, force them to take those planes and see a number of them fold while they pay their last cents to you...Jump to post
I would think otherwise. Why go all out to the media to deal with small airlines with a few planes. There has to be customers with significant orders doing this for Airbus to make such a statement. Although IMO this will worsen the relationship with customers, whether or not they are affected or no...Jump to post
Airbus mentioned a few dozen letters (?) so anyone have ideas which airlines? Airbus has hundreds of customers. While it is easy to point at large airlines like Air Asia or QR, there must be many smaller airlines in equally dire situations. There are fewer examples for the A350 (Asiana or Evelop) b...Jump to post
While this discussion focuses on Airbus’ choice to make the demands (as an in-house lawyer, legal doesn’t just issue demands without business sign off), I think it would be interesting to consider which airlines. Earlier I looked at A330 and A350 production and the only real airline that would prob...Jump to post
With demand for 767s through the roof, at least they’ll continue flying most likely The AC 767’s are pretty old, so I doubt that most planes will continue flying. The demand for 767 will most likely be lower because the economic downturn. The AC Mainline ones are a bit on the old side, but older fr...Jump to post
Unless it can cross an ocean at/near max payload (which it's doubtful it'll be able to) then that's unlikely. Best it can hope for at that point is intra-Asian freight; but the A330F hasn't been a stellar seller at all there either. 767F has a wingspan that can fit in far more common parking spaces...Jump to post
The reason why the 767 is in high demand and the A330 is not for the cargo market is because the 767 is a smaller plane, meaning cargo consolidators like FedEx and UPS can fit in more planes on the ramp. The 767 is popular because it is cheap, not because of its size. But it's not like you need to ...Jump to post
I honestly expect A330P2Fs to take the lions share of the market, not new build freighters. Unless it can cross an ocean at/near max payload (which it's doubtful it'll be able to) then that's unlikely. Best it can hope for at that point is intra-Asian freight; but the A330F hasn't been a stellar se...Jump to post
IMO, it is just as likely that Boeing will just cede the market to Airbus for the next decade until the 787 secondhand market matures to a point that will justify conversions of that type. None of the current new-build freighters from Airbus or Boeing appear to meet the 2028 ICAO standards, so they...Jump to post
The governments of countries like Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and alike need to realise they don't need state backed airlines. The airline groups like Lion, AirAsia, SQ group, Jetstar, some strong Vietnam holdings(VietJet), etc can well serve all these markets and countries more efficiently and p...Jump to post
Airbus was very successful with the A300, A310, and A300-600 freighters both new builds and conversions. In 2020, UPS and FedEX have nearly 120 still flying out of 212 total in service. Successful enough the cockpits are being upgraded to fly them for over a decade more. When I look at the A330 spe...Jump to post
Airbus needs to keep the A330 line open for at least two years to produce the remaining 3 A330-700 Beluga XL and 12x A330-200 for MRTT conversion. Airbus has no choice than to push through. After Covid-19 I expect higher demand for smaller aircraft. The A330NEO with 251mT MTOW hasn't been certified...Jump to post
So I agree time cannot be turned back, the A330NEO could have really impaled Boeing if it arrived earlier. Ironically, COVID-19 could either be the NEO 's savior or the final nail in its coffin. For the time being, this seems to be the most plane that many airlines would need..... :airplane: ..... ...Jump to post
. And finally, isn't delta flying the LEAP engine already on the NEOS? So really, if Boeing can come to terms. Delta would remove one more type (717) and will have an aircraft that can work with current pilot base and the engine type that will be already in fleet. To me, it's Timing, not if but whe...Jump to post
DL future longhaul widebody fleet will be 330/350. It seems many people cannot Accept that. Re the alleged killer deal. Airbus could even offer a better deal as Proven by Boeing - UA. Delta's future longhaul widebody fleet back in 2001 was to be 777s, look what happened? Realities change in a crisi...Jump to post
DL is in survival mode. Simplifying their fleet saves money. The older aircraft not only burn more fuel, they cost more to maintain. The HGW 350s won't lift as much cargo to places like SYD as the 77L but they are cheaper to fly down to SYD which in a challenging revenue environment makes them comp...Jump to post
But before the Pandemic cargo prices were in the gutter so using a more expensive aircraft to transport cheap cargo doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. There has to be something else in this equation that I'm missing. I suspect it was merely a case of having spare 77L's and putting them where they...Jump to post
Removing the 777 removes an entire fleet type from the equation. Pilots, tech ops, scheduling. There’s 18 777s while over 100 combined 757/767s. Totally more sense to eliminate the odd one out, especially when 288 seats and ULH range isn’t needed for a long time. If they want to restart that route,...Jump to post
I see these US global airlines being less global in years ahead. In case of Delta probably rely even more on partners to do the international lifting. That is if its partners are still around. The only one I can think of that is on less shaky ground is AFKL, specifically KL and possibly LATAM. As f...Jump to post
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX2h2nQVcAAZJk4.jpg Original uploaded by Matt cawby at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/1260341576682754049 Just another question about this pic. I watched some doco years ago about 737 production and it showed all the fuselages coming in by train and ...Jump to post