We also need to remember why comparisons to the likes of BA pre-covid to now are moot. Before this, Ba had high costs and premium heavy fleets focused on business routes. Previously, if there was a choice between an extra flight on LHR-JFK or adding MAN-JFK, the market dictated that the former was p...Jump to post
The market has changed. For. The . Worse. Let me say it again For. The . Worse Acting like the change is a positive thing for aviation is wishful thinking. When one ignores the points being made and changes the goalposts to suit that argument, its clear there is no hope of a rational debate occurri...Jump to post
Sorry, I guess I'm neither rational nor informed. But, generally when a large profitable company leaves something alone, while others chase it and are in bankruptcy, it does make you wonder. How is it a competitive market? And compared to what? Lets just say this again: The.market.has.changed. And ...Jump to post
I'm not sold. MAN sounds a lot better on paper than it does in reality. There's a long list of failed endeavors at MAN. There's a reason BA ceded that market to Thomas Cook and Virgin Atlantic. EI may have a shot with the right sized aircraft, but it's unlikely to be the goldmine a.net hopes it wil...Jump to post
I wonder, did Thomas Cook ever fly to SEA from Manchester? I also wonder, what is a discussion about TCX flying to SEA or not doing in a thread about EI starting US routes from Manchester. I thought they announced JFK, BOS, MCO and ORD? The irony of an off topic post complaining about an off topic ...Jump to post
Thomas Cook flew to Seattle in summer 2019 which was the last season before their collapse. Boston had been cut in 2018 but was more pointing out the destinations. Without wanting to get too off topic, I can assure you TCX did not operate to SEA in summer 2019 they did in summer 2018 and was mainly...Jump to post
Thomas Cook flew to Seattle in summer 2019 which was the last season before their collapse. Boston had been cut in 2018 but was more pointing out the destinations.Jump to post
There's still quite a bit of manufacturing in that part of England. I could it being a convenient connection on AA for Rolls Royce to get between Indianapolis and Derby as an example. Lots of smaller niche style operations that do quite well up there where salaries are cheaper. While going the othe...Jump to post
AirBourne wrote:Looks like VS have suspended the seasonal MAN-LAX with all slot requests withdrawn for Summer 21.
How does Brexit affect this? Because they are an Irish airline, owned by a Spanish company. Does this mean that IAG foresee a future of openskies arrangements moving forward?
https://www.visitbritain.org/sites/default/files/vb-corporate/Documents-Library/documents/foresight_174_regional_spread_of_inbound_tourism.pdf If you credit the potential markets of North West, North East, Yorkshire, Wales, West Midlands, and East Midlands from the US it comes to about 2.4 million ...Jump to post
Highly doubt it’ll be heavy ex-NA. Who wants to go to Manchester? Cant work out if this is a trolling attempt or serious? But Ill bite. You do realise MAN as an airport serves far more than Manchester. Long haul wise, its the main airport for the big cities including Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Y...Jump to post
The whole 'MAN needs more TATL service' is about as relentlessly tiresome as 'DUS needs TATL service.' If there were money to be made somebody smart would be flying it. You remember that Thomas Cook went into liquidation, right? That suggests a few problems with its route structure and business mod...Jump to post
Didn't see this posted, deserves its own thread I feel. https://onemileatatime.com/aer-lingus-manchester/ Think it'll work? I wonder if BHX tried to court EI for these flights...especially as there is so little competition there. Not a chance if there is a no-deal Brexit. If a deal, it will depend ...Jump to post
EI tried to make MAN into a European hub in the 1990s. I hope this venture has more success. The Aer Lingus MAN-Europe flights were 5th freedoms using different ticket pooling rules that existed back then. When the rules changed, the 5th freedoms were not required, much in the same way the stopover...Jump to post
Ive managed to look deeper at the slot requests and its looking like EI have applied for: daily BOS arriving into MAN 0550 and departing 1040/1045. A321N Daily JFK arriving into MAN 0610 departing 1210 A321N Daily MCO arriving into MAN 0745 departing 0940 but 2 days see slightly different departing ...Jump to post
VS have dabbled with ORD from both MAN and LHR over the years & have never been able to make it work. I could see them testing the water with a seasonal DTW route, especially if it gives good feed into connections on DL. Similarly, they keep on switching the ATL service from MAN between VS &...Jump to post
If the Midwest had such large MAN demand, AA would have made it work from ORD considering it has BA on the MAN end Sigh, this argument again. Firstly, MAN doesnt have BA on ‘this end’. It has Billund and Heathrow as full time, more than daily routes. Then a handful of weekend flights with cityflyer...Jump to post
It would be quite the sight to see up to 7 Aer Lingus aircraft (Belfast, Boston, Chicago, Cork, Dublin, New York, Orlando) on the ground at MAN during the morning And what chance of another ATR feeding into SNN too. I know Ryanair cover the route now bit Aer Lingus used to do the route up to 3 dail...Jump to post
Obviously it's rather unlikely we'll see any new routes immediately with the current situation. I assume your not up to speed with the new Aer Lingus TATL base at Manchester being proposed for Summer 2021? That new base fits into this news very nicely! Where has it been proposed other than on a.net...Jump to post
Well the good news about the JV means that now the MAN base is essentially BA in disguise due to the revenue share. Hopefully this means companies like British Airways holidays used the Aer Lingus MAN flights and thus boost the brand awareness. MAN-MCO on EI would benefit no end if BA holidays got b...Jump to post
Ah, I forgot about the new Manchester long-haul flights.
Obviously it's rather unlikely we'll see any new routes immediately with the current situation.
The S21 pre season slot report is out for DUB. Looking at it, Transavia have applied for LYS and RTM, as well as Aer Lingus to Bodrum. Ryanair have applied for a few routes too but that seems to be it for new routes. A lot of routes say they have been increased, but im struggling to work out how the...Jump to post
For EI and people worrying if they could fit into the MAN market. Firstly, Aer Lingus have been serving Manchester pretty much since their inception. Yes, brand recognition on a MAN-Ireland route will be different to that of a MAN-USA route, but thanks to the DUB hub, there is already quite the bran...Jump to post
I'd also add that part of the reason EI can offer such attractive Y fares ex UK is they are filling J cabins at decent yields ex DUB. They won't have this advantage operating P2P from MAN. Make no mistake - P2P ex MAN is a very different strategy to the one they've pursued for the best part of a de...Jump to post
Battling it out for P2P leisure passengers in a fairly price-sensitive market doesn't feel like the right strategy for EI. Huh? Thats exactly the strategy EI have been using for many years, with EI often coming up the cheapest to the US from the UK, and cheaper by a considerable amount usually. Onl...Jump to post
It's not just that Manchester is at least 30% cheaper than Dublin to live in, its also all the lower mimimum wage Manchester cabin crew who can be hired on Zero hour contracts .... Aside from the cost of loving argument (you are comparing a european capital city to a regional city), your claims abo...Jump to post
Is there any point in trying to attract passengers on marginal routes like ORD when the historical demand to the Caribbean has been strong and likely to be better than 'business' routes for the next few seasons? It will depend on what the overall aim is. There will be plenty of city breakers on the...Jump to post
Can EI make MAN work? In theory yes, but previous EI efforts to develop routes from MAN work (mostly forgotten now) have not been too successful. Thats not strictly true. Aer Lingus used to serve Manchester-Europe as 5th freedom rights due to the pooling agreements that were in use before openskies...Jump to post
There is strong talk that Aer Lingus is setting up a UK AOC to operate these flights and that it will indeed be a 4 aircraft base. This could also explain my earlier post as to why the MAN-DUB schedule has been reduced. With 4 aircraft worth of pax now flying direct from MAN, EI wouldnt need the sam...Jump to post
Does anyone know what’s happening to the Aer Lingus schedule to MAN/DUB next summer? Previously this route has run as high as 38 weekly, but so far next summer, its down to just 23 weekly. Tuesdays doesnt have the option of a day return as there are just 2 flights from MAN, one at 0800 and the other...Jump to post
And recovery will happen everywhere, not just in the UK. It will happen in Ireland too, you know! Nobody can predict the future. A lot can happen between now and S21 in these uncertain times. I didn't say it wouldn't happen in Ireland, I was merely countering your argument that the current lockdown...Jump to post
England has just gone into another lockdown and this news from EI was released a number of weeks ago And this latest info in the current article suggests that Aer Lingus and the UK govt spoke to each other as little as 1 week ago, so clearly its still on the agenda. We are also talking about S21, s...Jump to post
I am Irish and I am not concerned by EI's current discussions with the UK Government. In times of disruption all options need to be explored. I do think that MAN is probably one option, with other regional UK airports under consideration. Remember a transatlantic service for a regional airport is a...Jump to post
Many airlines have tried to make TATL MAN service work and it's failed every time British Midland, American and British Airways only VS/DL has continuously served the market. If I were Irish I'd be concerned about BA taking EI assets and redeploying them to serve the needs of BA rather than their o...Jump to post
That maybe true but MAN is pretty well covered by VS/DL. VS and DL is unlikely to ever serve MAN-ORD, there's now a questionmark over how long it will take them to re-add BOS, and JFK is down to a single A333, after a peak of B744s and A332s just 2 years ago. Even in these times that's undeserved. ...Jump to post
Why would they want to compete for London traffic when they are already more than enough competitors already. These Aer Lingus UK flights wouldnt be from London. Previous articles have already stated they would serve regional UK cities. Biased view maybe, but if these flights come to fruition, they...Jump to post
Each to their own opinion. EI with the new brand wanted to 'de-irish' the brand - their own comments at the time of the launch! Mission accomplished. They tried Manchester and Gatwick, although shorthaul only. They are not an LCC and their cost structure means they need bums at the front of the air...Jump to post
Iran Air didn’t last long; https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/294391/iran-air-w20-european-network-adjustment-as-of-14oct20/ It lasted the course that it was supposed to. When the route was announced, it was only a temporary service. Indeed lasted exactly as long as it was originally...Jump to post
Both these new routes are new to Virgin at Manchester.
As mentioned, Delhi was due to be launched this month but given the way the world is, a 2 month delay is a good outcome.
2 B787 will eventually be based at MAN. So far, Islamabad, Mumbai and Delhi use the B787 at MAN.
Someone83 wrote:Is there a new Swedish airline called Nordic Airways planned?
So far only a name and website though