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by JoeCanuck
Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

^^^ ok so with that info and apparently how easy it is to disable the trim or a failing mcas system due to faulty sensor inputs....how did these pilots allow the plane to fall out of the sky? Some replies I got earlier made it seem like you cannot manually fly the 737max?!? I wish I knew why it was...

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by JoeCanuck
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

You forgot to add "by luck"! They had no idea what was going on but happened to guess correctly that trim could be involved. THERE WAS NO PROCEDURE. Just absolutely spreading lies. They didn't just blindly guess. They made an educated decision based on experience and the situation. The tr...

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by JoeCanuck
Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

The likes of Southwest (and maybe RyanAir) have held the 737 program hostage for too long. We're seeing the dark side of free market economics with Boeing still prattling around the 737 in the 2020s at the behest of these carriers unwilling to spend the dime to look forward. How many more incidents...

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by JoeCanuck
Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Still so much focus on MCAS. While there is always a chance that MCAS may be involved on some way, if the flaps are extended, MCAS is designed to be disabled...which means that the sensors which trigger MCAS, are irrelevant in this case, as would be their potential failure modes. If the flaps were ...

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by JoeCanuck
Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Still so much focus on MCAS. While there is always a chance that MCAS may be involved on some way, if the flaps are extended, MCAS is designed to be disabled...which means that the sensors which trigger MCAS, are irrelevant in this case, as would be their potential failure modes. If the flaps were d...

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by JoeCanuck
Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Improving MCAS doesn't necessarily make it the cause of the crash, though. From what I recall from the Lion thread, MCAS is disabled when flaps are lowered and/or auto pilot is engaged. As well, it can be manually disengaged intermittently with the electric trim switch on the yoke, and permanently ...

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

This is the part I still don't understand. Everyone keeps saying "safety first", "safety is our top priority" and all that crap, and yet actions are the complete opposite. You want to save the faux horror, and keep on flying until we know more. Fine. But what if there will be an...

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

pugman211 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

The end of all of this, is that if you don't trust the data, fly the plane manually.


If you fly manually, I believe MCAS can engage without warning or prompting if triggered.


Not if you hit the cutoff switches or lower flaps.

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

This is the part I still don't understand. Everyone keeps saying "safety first", "safety is our top priority" and all that crap, and yet actions are the complete opposite. You want to save the faux horror, and keep on flying until we know more. Fine. But what if there will be an...

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716135

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

With 350 or so MAX's flying, if there was any significant inherent issue with the MAX, I think it would likely have shown up by now. We'll see. You mean by having 2 of them crash within months of entering service? Sorry, couldn't help myself... but potentially it already has shown up, with the wors...

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6472
Views: 716135

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Here is my take: there is a design fault in the 737MAX MCAS that manifests itself only under certain malfunctions (invalid AoA value). There is a pilot memory item that will disable MCAS under those malfunctions. However, it is not good practice to circumvent design faults by memory items. Boeing w...

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

There's has been a lot of mention of MCAS. Does anyone know if it was enabled? Were the flaps fully retracted? If the flaps were deployed, MCAS would have been disabled. Some reports seem to indicate the problems started immediately, or very shortly after takeoff. If so, it seems unlikely to me, tha...

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

FR24 has only first 3 minutes of the flight recorded, the rest of the flight was out of their coverage. The pilots reported they had unreliable airspeed straight after the take-off, which might have resulted in the pilots retracting the flaps and MCAS to kick-in, with possibly faulty AoA data. It s...

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Correct me if I'm wrong, from what I recall of the flightradar24 plot, the aircraft didn't get much higher than 1000 -1500' agl. Would they have retracted the flaps that low? FR24 has only first 3 minutes of the flight recorded, the rest of the flight was out of their coverage. The pilots reported ...

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Correct me if I'm wrong, from what I recall of the flightradar24 plot, the aircraft didn't get much higher than 1000 -1500' agl. Would they have retracted the flaps that low?

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by JoeCanuck
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Flight ended at 8600' according to flightradar24. If accurate, it's not the same profile as the previous MAX accident...more like CFIT.

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by JoeCanuck
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718401

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

6 minutes into the flight...would the flaps have been retracted yet? If flaps were extended, MCAS would have been disabled. Playback shows flight ended at an altitude of 8600 ft...quite different from the previous MAX accident.

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by JoeCanuck
Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pratt & Whitney's Geared Turbofan Has A Strong Backlog
Replies: 23
Views: 6786

Re: Pratt & Whitney's Geared Turbofan Has A Strong Backlog

Much like the Boeing 787, perhaps the PW GTF will be known as the miracle worker with a rough start. And just like Boeing and the 787, I wonder if PW feels in hindsight they should have done more themselves instead of more risk sharing and outsourcing with partners. Time will tell, but I have the f...

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by JoeCanuck
Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus pencils in orders for new A321XLR jet.
Replies: 197
Views: 44890

Re: Reuters: Airbus pencils in orders for new A321XLR jet.

I think the XLR is a smart move. Since we're in a guessing mood...here's my take. A quick and dirty upgrade has very little downside. Besides some minor aero tweaks, I think it will auger in their version of split winglets which will not just clean up the wingtips but add some extra span and area, s...

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways Updated: Operations suspended
Replies: 3319
Views: 386847

Re: Jet Airways: reports cash running out

Spiderguy252 wrote:
In short, can I breathe easy and book a 9W flight or two for 3 months down the line?

Yes / No ?


That wins the award for the most pertinent question in the thread.

You win a cookie.

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower
Replies: 224
Views: 42385

Re: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower

I make predictions because I don't mind getting thought exercises wrong...and it can be interesting. For me, the process is the entertaining bit...more so than the result. That being said... It seems to me that we are seeing a kind of a VLA hangover in the airline industry. The bigger the plane...th...

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by JoeCanuck
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible

It only happened because EK had to avoid the A380 cancellation penalties. Unless that narrative has been proven, I doubt it. Airbus benefits greatly from the cancellation of the 380 program. Every aircraft was produced at a loss, and the loss was not only getting bigger in total, the loss per aircr...

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by JoeCanuck
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible

The really really big win for Airbus here is that EK has validated the A330neo as a competitor to the B787. That is a big boost for the 330neo in future contests. Boeing tried to strangle the 330neo at birth (the HA deal for example) because it knows its strengths, and the EK deal means they failed...

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by JoeCanuck
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 870
Views: 104900

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

My comment is; you can't change the past. It does look like both players have learned from it, though. Airbus gambled on the 380 and they lost. It happens. The deal is done, the money spent and the 380 saga is coming to an end...and now we can move forward. On the other hand...I wonder how many fish...

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by JoeCanuck
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 870
Views: 104900

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Airbus has taken the first step into 'what's next land', by cutting the losses of the 380 and freeing up capital and resources. I would be completely stunned if they didn't have a few all new MOM concepts of their own kicking around backstage...besides any 321 mods they are planning. I don't believ...

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by JoeCanuck
Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 870
Views: 104900

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Airbus is now pretty much entirely depended on the 320, 330, and 350 (A220 to a lesser extent). This has been the case for a few years, ending the 380 just formalized the status quo. Boeing has the 737MAX, the 777X, the 787, the 797/MOM project. I'm heavily interested in seeing what the next thing ...

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by JoeCanuck
Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower
Replies: 224
Views: 42385

Re: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower

I look at the GE-9X vs Ultrafan as being a similar competition between the GTF and LEAP. No doubt the gearbox is a real game changer, but so are exotic materials. I think RR's geared fan will provide the bulk of the efficiency gains on the Ultrafan and the bulk of GE's gains will come from gains der...

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by JoeCanuck
Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.
Replies: 214
Views: 34371

Re: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.

I don't know why people keep on bringing up that there were any potential penalties involved in this deal. It would have been way worse for Airbus if EK had insisted on taking all of those 380's they ordered. Not only are they losing money now on every 380 that goes out the door...they would have lo...

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by JoeCanuck
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:22 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Logic behind helicopter taxiing
Replies: 65
Views: 12572

Re: Logic behind helicopter taxiing

I saw a cautionary video of the dangers of not immediately bottoming out the collective when the engine quits. A low time pilot was on, I believe, a solo training flight in a Robinson. The video clearly shows his main rotor stop turning, and the blades fold straight up as the helicopter plummets fro...

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by JoeCanuck
Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.
Replies: 214
Views: 34371

Re: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.

2024 for A350 is very close to 2025 with upgraded engines. Is this the start for A350-2000 with new engines? I fully expect EK to be one of the first airlines to get 350Ultras. RR saved themselves a ton of development time, effort and money by nixing the variable pitch fan and making it a straight ...

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by JoeCanuck
Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta easyjet to explore buying Alitalia
Replies: 6
Views: 1428

Re: Delta easyjet to explore buying Alitalia

And they say politics makes for strange bedfellows. I think Airlines have them beat.

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by JoeCanuck
Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.
Replies: 214
Views: 34371

Re: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.

So they are ordering the oldish A330Neo... A real downgrade compared to the 787-10... Sad for the A380 :( Well...they also have the oldish 77X on order. Some new information from EK's own press release: - Deliveries of the A330neo will start in 2021, A350 from 2024. - The A330neo will be used for r...

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by JoeCanuck
Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower
Replies: 224
Views: 42385

Re: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower

"Variable pitch?" How much? 90° or thereabouts? Enough to produce sufficient reverse thrust. The feature included getting away from discrete reversers. Would allow to have an _unbroken_ engine nacelle surface from entry lip to exhaust. a chance for even more laminar flow. Astafan: https:/...

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by JoeCanuck
Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

As it stands, Airbus loses money on every aircraft it makes. Patently untrue. Airbus made money between 2015-2017. It was pretty clear that I was specifically speaking about how Airbus loses money on every 380 sale, not that Airbus loses money selling every aircraft they make. I suspect that Airbus...

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by JoeCanuck
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower
Replies: 224
Views: 42385

Re: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower

It's interesting how all the ultrafan speculations were for them to be on the A380neo, but then Airbus goes ahead and ends A380 production and gets those engines on the A350 instead. Airbus is going through a huge strategy transformation. Actually, the Ultrafan applications always included a 350neo...

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by JoeCanuck
Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

There won't be any penalties. If Airbus was to be so petty...Clark would most likely just eat whatever upfront money EK gave to Airbus, ignore the 350 and go with 777's and 787's going forward. I doubt they would even take the ones already in production, and dare Airbus to sue them. This is going to...

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by JoeCanuck
Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 870
Views: 104900

Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Time to get a ride in the whale before it becomes a lot more difficult! Sad indeed. Not to worry. 380 production will end but 380 service will continue for at least another decade. Once mainline airlines start retiring them, all won't be immediately turned into beer cans. At least a few will be pic...

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

I suspect that Airbus will announce the end of 380 production soon...and at they will have a ceremony bidding it adieu at the Paris air show. Multiple folks have said this and I can't quite imagine it. Businesses like to look forward with their PR, and to look back only when it is in the service of...

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by JoeCanuck
Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

There is no forecast, plan, roadmap, scenario or possibility that makes the 380 profitable...ever. The only question is; how much loss is acceptable before the line is shuttered? As it stands, Airbus loses money on every aircraft it makes. Even if every current order and option was built...Airbus wo...

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

I have little doubt that the writing is on the wall regarding the future of the 380. I think all that's left is working out the details. My guess it will be announced before Paris, where they will have a big 380 farewell presentation.

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:38 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Logic behind helicopter taxiing
Replies: 65
Views: 12572

Re: Logic behind helicopter taxiing

That was frickin' awesome. I thought both pilots were properly calm and competent. Nice auto.

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Lufthansa wants to sue passenger for not taking booked flight
Replies: 134
Views: 10619

Re: Lufthansa wants to sue passenger for not taking booked flight

To me...this is the opposite side of the coin to the chronic overbooking performed by every airline. The airlines don't have any problem regularly screwing over passengers by letting multiple people believe that they have a seat on a flight when they know very well that the seat, more than likely, w...

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:45 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Big Bang actress rants about United
Replies: 62
Views: 15909

Re: Big Bang actress rants about United

To play devils advocate, I'm first going to assume that this was a misunderstanding, oversight and/or honest mistake, (the nicest people get tired, cranky and short tempered sometimes). These are the most likely explanations. If this gate agent was normally a b*tch, then there would be tons of evide...

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:22 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Logic behind helicopter taxiing
Replies: 65
Views: 12572

Re: Logic behind helicopter taxiing

This is a question I've wondered about for years. I guess I could have done a quick search but I never seem to think of it when I'm at the computer. I have flown on a few helicopters in my life, but this was my first experience with 'hover taxiing'. I experienced this a decade or so ago when working...

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by JoeCanuck
Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

Just for information, investment casting might be familiar to others as 'lost wax'. Wikipedia has a good non-technical discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment_casting Good catch. I'm one of those. When I read 'investment casting', I immediately pictured stock traders 'making it rain', ...

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by JoeCanuck
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: EK considering 787 cancellation in favor of 777-9

An MOU offers the least amount of commitment to purchase. It means almost nothing. The implication is that the potential buyer likes the concept but isn't sold on the product yet, and needs way more convincing. It's obvious the customer isn't really serious...at least for now, and the seller has a ...

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by JoeCanuck
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Video of BA 787 attempting rough landing at LHR before going around
Replies: 48
Views: 13021

Re: Video of BA 787 attempting rough landing at LHR before going around

Nice, nice, nice. That was some good, very professional flying.

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by JoeCanuck
Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Mechanics and FA’s say airline is unsafe
Replies: 104
Views: 21173

Re: Southwest Mechanics and FA’s say airline is unsafe

Do airlines cut corners? Yes, unquestionably. If you work for an airline and you don't believe it, you're blind. Probably deaf, and dumb, too. Whether it's mechanics falsifying a work card and applying incorrect grease to a stabilizer trim jack screw, applying incorrect rigging to a Beech 1900, to ...

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by JoeCanuck
Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: EK considering 787 cancellation in favor of 777-9

(EK) did not sign for a finalized order. ( probably because the knew about they unfixed shortcomings :-) So why bother signing an MoU in the first place if you knew the plane had shortcomings and you knew Boeing was not going to address them? Perhaps they really like Boeing's catering and wanted a ...

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by JoeCanuck
Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 880
Views: 138807

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

I think the -10 will be more of a victim to EK downgrading its expansion plans than any performance deficits. I also think that it was always most likely that they would either go for the 350 or the 787, but not both. The swap of 380's for 350's pretty much makes the choice for them. Emirates is fac...

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