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by saab2000
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:48 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Night Rating Anxiety
Replies: 18
Views: 4297

Re: Night Rating Anxiety

Get a few more lessons. Don’t do anything you’re not comfortable doing until you’re ready. Plan for the flight, even if it’s a 15-minute hop across town and back. Proper preflight planning......... you know the rest.

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by saab2000
Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Air Wisconsin to get CRJ-550/700s?
Replies: 30
Views: 4760

Re: Rumor: Air Wisconsin to get CRJ-550/700s?

OO is still profitable even with the COVID happening and with the contracts they have they are actually in a position where they can turn down flying. ZW may be looking at a situation they have to accept just to stay in business. This play may be CJH holdings basically saying they want to keep Air ...

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by saab2000
Wed May 27, 2020 11:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.
Replies: 355
Views: 16766

Re: Development paths for new scope compliant aircraft.

Bring ALL flying in house, under the brand name selling the tickets. “Regional” is nothing more than a term used to depress careers. I flew CRJs for twelve years for a well known contract airline and it cost me hundreds of thousands or more in career earnings, not due to poor pay for the type but be...

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by saab2000
Sat May 16, 2020 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57796

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, May 2020

Refreshing to hear from someone who has actually flown the aircraft. Have you or others in your company done any simulator work involving MCAS since the grounding? How are your company's check pilots maintaining currency? Just using the NG I guess. Yes, I've flown it. It's nice and quiet and has a ...

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by saab2000
Thu May 14, 2020 10:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57796

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, May 2020

Until the Covid-19 crises is at a point where most workers can safely return to work there will be zero to little progress. That means who knows when the MAX fix, training, approvals are done and if many of the planes will even be delivered due to the Covid-19 financial crash to all customer airlin...

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by saab2000
Thu May 14, 2020 12:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57796

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, May 2020

It seems as if news on the MAX and a return to airworthiness has dropped off to near zero. Does anyone with inside knowledge know of work happening on this front?

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by saab2000
Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 380952

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

They'll soon own MSP outright if SY can't survive this. For now I see as few cuts as possible at MSP and build back up when demand returns. SY is not a true competitor. I spent a year there and in my interview asked how they compete with Delta. The answer? “We don’t. We stay out of their way”. If S...

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by saab2000
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:25 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Question for Airbus A330 pilots
Replies: 11
Views: 2631

Re: Question for Airbus A330 pilots

johns624 wrote:
Haven't seen ya online lately Saab. I remember you from the old Serotta forum.


Lurker here these days!

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by saab2000
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:27 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Question for Airbus A330 pilots
Replies: 11
Views: 2631

Re: Question for Airbus A330 pilots

Thanks both! I was indeed near the rear of the aircraft. It was somewhat unnerving to be honest and I’m sure they were near their maximum altitude. Probably a non-event but I’ve never really observed this phenomenon over the Atlantic as a passenger and I’ve probably been across the Atlantic 75 times...

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by saab2000
Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:49 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Question for Airbus A330 pilots
Replies: 11
Views: 2631

Question for Airbus A330 pilots

I am a 737 pilot for a major US carrier but am quite unfamiliar with Airbus systems and only have a light knowledge of oceanic flying. I've done two crossings as a pilot but most of my career has been within Europe and within North America. About a month ago I was coming back from ZRH to ORD on an A...

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by saab2000
Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Accusation: FAA acted improperly in approving WN Hawaii flying
Replies: 87
Views: 14677

Re: Accusation: FAA acted improperly in approving WN Hawaii flying

For every person here saying WN is great I’ve heard the opposite. My neighborhood in OGG is mixed with people who have tried WN and most say it was a one time trial. Not enough benefit to be a loyal WN customer. Giving the tickets away helped with filling the planes. Based on the yearly report givi...

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by saab2000
Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 745685

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

I fly 737s for a living and have about 100 hours in the MAX8. With the return to service being pushed back and back and back and so little firm information forthcoming, I’m actually beginning to ask if this airplane will ever see commercial service again.

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by saab2000
Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 745685

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

I would prefer to be sacked, at least I could sleep at night. I'm lucky, I'm in a field where I can't be fired for reporting wrongdoing or malfeasance, but I commend you for your position. I can be fired for not reporting, though, and I'm always amazed at the sheer number of people who willingly ch...

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by saab2000
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 745685

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

art wrote:
Anyone got amy info regarding rthe ungrounding of the MAX?


At this point I’m actually wondering if “never” is the answer. This is taking an absurdly long time and we are receiving little concrete information. Lots of rumors and innuendo but few facts.

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by saab2000
Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is SY an ULCC or a LCC or neither?
Replies: 39
Views: 3762

Re: Is SY an ULCC or a LCC or neither?

Just flew WN yesterday bud. They have free TV, movies, drinks and food on the flight. Get back to us when WN has F cabins, reserved seats, a comprehensive lounge network, and worldwide interlined tickets and baggage. WN customers don’t really care about these things. For flyers who do care about th...

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by saab2000
Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:28 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What aircraft is a good start?
Replies: 17
Views: 2230

Re: What aircraft is a good start?

chunhimlai wrote:
A380neo for PAX and AN-225 for Cargo


And for those long, thin routes the 747-8i.

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by saab2000
Thu May 21, 2015 5:43 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: When Is A Notam Valid Time-wise
Replies: 7
Views: 3972

RE: When Is A Notam Valid Time-wise

I have flown into airports in the eastern US which had runways NOTAM'ed as being closed at a certain time but then the local airport authority opted to keep the runway open longer to accommodate heavier than normal traffic or to deal with weather. Sometimes closures that are NOTAM'ed ahead of time a...

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by saab2000
Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IFL Group - First CRJ200 Special Freighter
Replies: 34
Views: 11125

RE: IFL Group - First CRJ200 Special Freighter

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/tb727" class="quote" target="_blank">tb727</a> (<a href="#22" class="quote">Reply 22</a>):<br/><i>It looks like it has the regular door still. I...

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by saab2000
Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CRJs Back From The Dead With $55 Oil?
Replies: 41
Views: 7919

RE: CRJs Back From The Dead With $55 Oil?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Md88Captain" class="quote" target="_blank">Md88Captain</a> (<a href="#33" class="quote">Reply 33</a>):<br/><i>One word: Unsustainable. 50 seat p...

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by saab2000
Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Connection CRJ-200 Shuffle
Replies: 44
Views: 8560

RE: Delta Connection CRJ-200 Shuffle

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/flyby519" class="quote" target="_blank">flyby519</a> (<a href="#9" class="quote">Reply 9</a>):<br/><i>The regional whipsaw continues. Why is End...

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by saab2000
Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Wisconsin Gets New Contract
Replies: 24
Views: 7066

RE: Air Wisconsin Gets New Contract

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/crj900lr" class="quote" target="_blank">crj900lr</a> (<a href="#9" class="quote">Reply 9</a>):<br/><i>f you don't deal with them on a daily basi...

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by saab2000
Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: In-Flight Seatback Phones
Replies: 21
Views: 4168

RE: In-Flight Seatback Phones

I used one once in the 1990s on what I believe was an MD-88 and the call was crystal clear. Just a short call but it was much better than I expected it would be.

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by saab2000
Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Wisconsin Likely To Join DL Connection
Replies: 17
Views: 7021

RE: Air Wisconsin Likely To Join DL Connection

Interesting indeed. I just don't know what to think about it but something is definitely going on in ATW. The abruptness of his departure is the biggest question mark.

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by saab2000
Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:08 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: IAD Is A Poor Airport.
Replies: 36
Views: 6281

RE: IAD Is A Poor Airport.

IAD is much more Washington's international airport than <acronym title="Baltimore / Washington - International (Friendship) (BWI / KBWI), USA - Maryland">BWI</acronym> is or ever will be. The C/D terminal sucks and the rest of it is fine, though the <acronym title="Royal Jordanian">RJ</acronym> gat...

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by saab2000
Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Former Delta Airlines CRJ200
Replies: 9
Views: 6985

RE: Former Delta Airlines CRJ200

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/crj900lr" class="quote" target="_blank">crj900lr</a> (<a href="#6" class="quote">Reply 6</a>):<br/><i>Air Wisconsin will probably get some of th...

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by saab2000
Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATP's - A Shortage On The Horizon?
Replies: 57
Views: 7565

RE: ATP's - A Shortage On The Horizon?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Acey559" class="quote" target="_blank">Acey559</a> (<a href="#24" class="quote">Reply 24</a>):<br/><i>Doug Parker has already approached <acrony...

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by saab2000
Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATP's - A Shortage On The Horizon?
Replies: 57
Views: 7565

RE: ATP's - A Shortage On The Horizon?

Industry wide, several pilots per day are retiring. If no new ATPs are being printed, well, people can do the math. Right now there is a feeding frenzy with the contract carriers (so-called 'regional' carriers) to get anyone who is 'qualified' through training. And the washout rate is not low. And I...

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by saab2000
Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH A388 At Miami "landed Below Final Fuel Reserve"
Replies: 69
Views: 33334

RE: LH A388 At Miami "landed Below Final Fuel Reserve"

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/par13del" class="quote" target="_blank">par13del</a> (<a href="#5" class="quote">Reply 5</a>):<br/><i><acronym title="Fort Lauderdale - Hollywoo...

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by saab2000
Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Miserly Airlines Created Their Own Pilot Shortage
Replies: 98
Views: 13909

RE: Miserly Airlines Created Their Own Pilot Shortage

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/mayor" class="quote" target="_blank">mayor</a> (<a href="#3" class="quote">Reply 3</a>):<br/><i>The "regional flying culture" has always been th...

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by saab2000
Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future Of Air Wisconsin (ZW) After US/AA Merger?
Replies: 12
Views: 11006

RE: Future Of Air Wisconsin (ZW) After US/AA Merger?

Everything Apodino says is true. Very secret company. Likely in good shape financially. Very conservative. Long term planning. 50-seaters will reduced but not eliminated. The CRJ-900 training syllabus does exist. This is not a secret. But it has existed for years, so there's not much to read into th...

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by saab2000
Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL To Start Pilot Hiring
Replies: 22
Views: 6984

RE: DL To Start Pilot Hiring

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Md88Captain" class="quote" target="_blank">Md88Captain</a> (<a href="#3" class="quote">Reply 3</a>):<br/><i>There are no provisions for ex-Comai...

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by saab2000
Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will BBD Upgrade The CRJ's?
Replies: 48
Views: 6838

RE: Will BBD Upgrade The CRJ's?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/thenoflyzone" class="quote" target="_blank">thenoflyzone</a> (<a href="#21" class="quote">Reply 21</a>):<br/><i>Poor airmanship. The plane is fu...

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by saab2000
Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Discussion About Delta And Pinnacle
Replies: 14
Views: 3319

RE: Discussion About Delta And Pinnacle

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/dtwpilot225" class="quote" target="_blank">dtwpilot225</a> (<a href="#11" class="quote">Reply 11</a>):<br/><i>Just remember one thing, it's a ch...

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by saab2000
Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Discussion About Delta And Pinnacle
Replies: 14
Views: 3319

RE: Discussion About Delta And Pinnacle

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/MIflyer12" class="quote" target="_blank">MIflyer12</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i>It may be 50% of <acronym title="United ...

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by saab2000
Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Discussion About Delta And Pinnacle
Replies: 14
Views: 3319

RE: Discussion About Delta And Pinnacle

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/PHX787" class="quote" target="_blank">PHX787</a> (<a href="#5" class="quote">Reply 5</a>):<br/><i>Pinnacle will eventually shed all of their 50-...

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by saab2000
Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Discussion About Delta And Pinnacle
Replies: 14
Views: 3319

RE: Discussion About Delta And Pinnacle

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Mir" class="quote" target="_blank">Mir</a> (<a href="#1" class="quote">Reply 1</a>):<br/><i>The majors will not have a staffing issue. The regio...

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by saab2000
Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is There A Market For A 90 Seat Turboprop?
Replies: 100
Views: 22359

RE: Is There A Market For A 90 Seat Turboprop?

The perception that turboprops are old, slow and dangerous is not only in the US. I flew Saab2000s in Europe for several years and I can remember many people getting them and being upset that it wasn't a jet and that it was 'old junk'. I heard that comment several times. Funny thing was that it was ...

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by saab2000
Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:42 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Reducing Speed By Banking Aircraft
Replies: 15
Views: 4173

RE: Reducing Speed By Banking Aircraft

The aircraft in question was already almost certainly at the lowest allowed airspeed. The 'S' turns are used to increase the length of the string if you will to the runway. They were either overtaking the preceding airplane or making space for a departure or making space for someone landing on a cro...

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by saab2000
Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why Not A 747-8F With Single Deck
Replies: 38
Views: 18028

RE: Why Not A 747-8F With Single Deck

Is there a freight version of the 777-300? Seems like this could almost make the 747 version totally obsolete.

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by saab2000
Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta's Capt. Cal Flanigan Retires
Replies: 66
Views: 17862

RE: Delta's Capt. Cal Flanigan Retires

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/atpg5" class="quote" target="_blank">atpg5</a> (<a href="#20" class="quote">Reply 20</a>):<br/><i>There was an article a few years ago about a s...

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by saab2000
Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does MKE Need A Name Change?
Replies: 37
Views: 6260

RE: Does MKE Need A Name Change?

Passengers will avoid an airport based on bad, dirty facilities or bad parking or bad schedules or bad airlines. But they won't likely change their flying habits based on the name of the airport. The biggest factor by far would be ticket price and destination availability. Anyone who is in a positio...

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by saab2000
Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900
Replies: 158
Views: 31784

RE: Delta Air Lines Orders Up To 70 Bombardier CRJ900

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/threeifbyair" class="quote" target="_blank">threeifbyair</a> (<a href="#87" class="quote">Reply 87</a>):<br/><i>I will say that my only experien...

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by saab2000
Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NY Times: UA Merger Still Rough
Replies: 139
Views: 17465

RE: NY Times: UA Merger Still Rough

It is not possible to serve the customers by alienating your employees.

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by saab2000
Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is The Pilot Job Market Going To Boom? Part 1
Replies: 225
Views: 20409

Is The Pilot Job Market Going To Boom? Part 1

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/aviateur" class="quote" target="_blank">aviateur</a> (<a href="#80" class="quote">Reply 80</a>):<br/><i>flight instructing 135 charter operation...

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by saab2000
Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is The Pilot Job Market Going To Boom? Part 1
Replies: 225
Views: 20409

Is The Pilot Job Market Going To Boom? Part 1

One reason there are a fair number of furloughed pilots is that many refuse to go to the right seat of an <acronym title="Royal Jordanian">RJ</acronym> for peanut wages. My guess is that many Comair folks will leave the industry rather than see another <acronym title="Royal Jordanian">RJ</acronym>. ...

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by saab2000
Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is The Pilot Job Market Going To Boom? Part 1
Replies: 225
Views: 20409

Is The Pilot Job Market Going To Boom? Part 1

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/silentbob" class="quote" target="_blank">silentbob</a> (<a href="#14" class="quote">Reply 14</a>):<br/><i>I don't know if reducing the 1500 to 5...

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by saab2000
Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilot Shortage In The US - WSJ Article
Replies: 128
Views: 4789

RE: Pilot Shortage In The US - WSJ Article

There are not enough jobs doing banner towing, pipeline inspection, etc. to have 1000 pilots per year (minimum industry retirements, it'll be more annually) getting the requisite 1500 hours for the ATP. Ain't gonna happen. There is simply no way the industry will continue to function with a de facto...

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by saab2000
Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilot Shortage In The US - WSJ Article
Replies: 128
Views: 4789

RE: Pilot Shortage In The US - WSJ Article

I have no way to know if there's any substance to it, but I have heard that there is a push to again up the retirement age, this time to 67 or 68. The group pushing it? The RAA - Regional Airline Association. They know their ranks will be decimated in a few years. There's a perfect storm brewing. Hu...

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by saab2000
Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA/CO Pilots Ratify New Contract
Replies: 152
Views: 11705

UA/CO Pilots Ratify New Contract

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Deltal1011man" class="quote" target="_blank">Deltal1011man</a> (<a href="#6" class="quote">Reply 6</a>):<br/><i>putting a hard cap on 50 seaters...

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by saab2000
Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Do Airlines/Airports Protect Planes Frm Storms
Replies: 5
Views: 2725

RE: How Do Airlines/Airports Protect Planes Frm Storms

My airline flew dozens of airplanes out of the affected airports over the past couple of days to airports out of the path of the storm. Lots of crew scheduling re-routes, etc.

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