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by entdoc
Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 187
Views: 29753

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/58299560

Sorry article is in Hebrew
Link to speech by Captain and to ATC transmission


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Plane landed

https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/58299560

Sorry article is in Hebrew
Link to speech by Captain and to ATC transmission


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by entdoc
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used
Replies: 28
Views: 5150

Re: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used

Interesting that it only happened on the 14th. The flight on the 15th tracked over turkey.


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by entdoc
Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19379

New owner for LY

Purchase of controlling shares in LY is a 25 year old Israeli /US citizen yeshiva student. Son of a US nursing home owner who some say will be pulling the strings though that is illegal by local laws. Neither has airline experience. Link to times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-als-new-ow...

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by entdoc
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 187
Views: 29753

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

yeah there is and israelis are big in that too but there is still something to be said for holding the item you want or for clothing and shoes trying it on.... and you can bet your bottom dollar when covid is gone some smart operators in UAE will offer weekend flights and hotels for shopping sprees ...

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by entdoc
Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 187
Views: 29753

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

Would be interesting to hear the ATC communication on this flight....


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by entdoc
Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 187
Views: 29753

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

Per Times of Israel LY 971 to UAE
And LY 972 return
Based on international dialing codes for UAE and Israel


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by entdoc
Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY fate supposedly to be decided by August 31
Replies: 0
Views: 1046

LY fate supposedly to be decided by August 31

Per this the fate of LY coming down to the wire. May even result in a fight between current and potential majority shareholders .... https://www.timesofisrael.com/grounded-by-virus-ailing-long-before-el-als-future-could-be-sealed-next-week/?utm_source=The+Daily+Edition&utm_campaign=daily-edition...

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by entdoc
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ETH z”l (RIP)
Replies: 0
Views: 779

ETH z”l (RIP)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/1ebf7fa29dceaf2aa28992eb13d12150.jpg For those of us who used to stand next to the Eilat mall watching landings note the sad state of ETH today. Taken from the parking lot in Big center. Runway marks still visible but now storing a bunch of boats and other ...

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by entdoc
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus completes testing of self flying jet
Replies: 100
Views: 11851

Re: Airbus completes testing of self flying jet

how many computer and sensor systems will there be to assure redundancy in case of failure? two, three, five? all add weight to the plane maybe even more than a second pilot. and if both systems fail - a human on board might be able with great difficulty to hand fly. the dead computer probably wont ...

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by entdoc
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19379

Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-acc ... ionalized/


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Article re last post from times of Israel


https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-acc ... ionalized/


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by entdoc
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19379

Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

reports in the local press that el al accepted a government bailout that includes the government reassuming control
(by purchase of stock not taken by public which should get them a controlling share)
and sell off of some 737s and dropping non profitable routes
will try to get article link

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by entdoc
Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19379

Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

One of the prior posters asked what the situation is at TLV. I replied with data re new infections in the country and that post and a few back and forth replies were deleted as not being directly related to aviation. More related to aviation TLV director calls for opening skies even with corona. He ...

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by entdoc
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 300
Views: 10679

Re: Etihad lands at TLV for the first time

Since each direction was maybe 4 hours did the same crew work it RT?


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by entdoc
Thu May 28, 2020 6:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ​Internal tussle as Boeing weighs future of 747
Replies: 378
Views: 59435

Re: ​Internal tussle as Boeing weighs future of 747

Wonder what the USAF will do in future years when the newly ordered VC-25s reach their end of life. I remember reading that the AF wants the president’s plane to be a four holer. Seems by then neither Boeing or Airbus will be building 4 engine jets. But maybe by that time there will be more advanced...

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by entdoc
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1387
Views: 212212

LY Potential Layoffs

https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-could-fire-1000-people-nearly-sixth-of-workforce-over-corona-losses/ the Israel Ministry of Health has been particularly stringent on recommendations in view of the Corona virus two days ago they issued a very strong recommendation that "elective" travel...

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by entdoc
Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:27 am
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: Old Periodicals
Replies: 1
Views: 1015

Old Periodicals

Apologies in advance to the moderators if they consider this post inappropriate I am getting to the point in life where the time has come to downsize As such found in my storage a whole bunch of airplane related Periodicals. Airliners magazine Fall 1991 to Mar Apr 2003 Airliner World. Aug 1999 and M...

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by entdoc
Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flooding at DXB causes EK meltdown
Replies: 40
Views: 12179

Re: Flooding at DXB causes EK meltdown

not quite the same but Israel had a 50 year record setting rain for the last two weeks\ bad enough that some seven or maybe 9 people died including a young couple who went to their buidings parking lot on -1 to check their car rain shorted the elevator and then the cab flooded drowning them alas res...

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by entdoc
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY 777 Diversion Halifax
Replies: 16
Views: 4560

Re: LY 777 Diversion Halifax

And though LY officially does NOT fly shabbat some of their metal certainly does. Lots of sun d'or charters Friday night and all day Saturday. All over Greek isles and Europe. With LY crew. And security. And yes still kosher food. For some reason maybe the name change the ultra religies gloss over t...

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by entdoc
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY 777 Diversion Halifax
Replies: 16
Views: 4560

Re: LY 777 Diversion Halifax

They have all day Friday (still noon there) till 1630 before shabbat. Orthodox people will stay in hotel till 1730 Saturday. Others will travel around based on their personal interpretation of shabbat laws. From what I saw in one article they cleared customs and were awaiting busses presumably to ho...

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by entdoc
Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY 777 Diversion Halifax
Replies: 16
Views: 4560

Re: LY 777 Diversion Halifax

Ooops my bad. 2300 Thursday. They could leave 1800 Saturday. (Brain f**t).
I guess better Halifax than Goose Bay.....

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by entdoc
Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY 777 Diversion Halifax
Replies: 16
Views: 4560

Re: LY 777 Diversion Halifax

Landed about 2300. Guess they could leave 2300 Saturday night. Though the shabbat is over maybe 1730-1800.

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by entdoc
Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY 777 Diversion Halifax
Replies: 16
Views: 4560

LY 777 Diversion Halifax

https://www.halifaxtoday.ca/local-news/flight-bound-for-israel-makes-emergency-landing-in-halifax-after-reports-of-smoke-in-cockpit-2011481 EWR to TLV flight diverts due to reported smoke due to LY shabbat restrictions pax will spend Saturday in Halifax wonder if same crew is legal to fly out Saturd...

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by entdoc
Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: El Al and countries around Isreal
Replies: 19
Views: 4167

Re: El Al and countries around Isreal

for what its worth back in 2015 with huge sandstorms at Amman one or two RJ flights (originated in other arab countries)
did divert to TLV. Pax were given Krembo and snacks and flew on when sand cleared.

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by entdoc
Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY wing clip at LAS
Replies: 20
Views: 8710

Re: LY wing clip at LAS

Took a longer look at the translation Gorer גורר means someone towing. Melave מלווה means someone accompanying. But it also means someone lending. That's today's Hebrew lesson Test on Tuesday :) Actually, מַלְוֶה malveh means lender, while מְלַוֶּה melaveh means companion but because there is no ni...

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by entdoc
Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY wing clip at LAS
Replies: 20
Views: 8710

Re: LY wing clip at LAS

Took a longer look at the translation
Gorer גורר means someone towing.
Melave מלווה means someone accompanying.
But it also means someone lending.
That's today's Hebrew lesson
Test on Tuesday :)

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by entdoc
Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY wing clip at LAS
Replies: 20
Views: 8710

Re: LY wing clip at LAS

https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-pla ... dium=email
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probably not ideal translation by google or whatever translate
here is link to one English post on TOL

https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-pla ... dium=email

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by entdoc
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY wing clip at LAS
Replies: 20
Views: 8710

LY wing clip at LAS

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340, ... 51,00.html
Sorry for Hebrew only for now
LY dreamliner clips wing in Vegas.
Return flight to TLV cancelled.
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https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340, ... 51,00.html
Sorry for Hebrew only for now
LY dreamliner clips wing in Vegas.
Return flight to TLV cancelled.

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by entdoc
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Old LAX T3 with Over wing Jet Bridge
Replies: 31
Views: 6684

Re: Old LAX T3 with Over wing Jet Bridge

I have vague memories of having seen overwing jetways at JFK years ago IIRC the overwing part was supported from above by some sort of cantilevered gridwork that was attached to the main part of the jetway. that may have also contained moving parts that allowed for its maneuvering. this pix at AMS s...

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by entdoc
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY Last 744 flight
Replies: 3
Views: 1297

Re: LY Last 744 flight

https://www.elal.com/he/FrequentFlyer/P ... odbye.aspx
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ah I found the advert but sorry all in Hebrew........
https://www.elal.com/he/FrequentFlyer/P ... odbye.aspx

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by entdoc
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY Last 744 flight
Replies: 3
Views: 1297

LY Last 744 flight

LY advertising to Matmid members final 744 flight 1 November LY 1744 TLV FCO 0805-1030 and return 3 November LY1747 FCO TLV. 1000-1545 apparently the return flight will be doing extra flying/passes over ? parts of Israel and so is scheduled for an hour longer than "regular" flight LY 386 (...

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by entdoc
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TLV main runway repairs
Replies: 10
Views: 1485

TLV main runway repairs

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340, ... 55,00.html
Apologies article in Hebrew didn't find English one
And apologies if this already posted.

TLV to repair runway 8-26 after high holidays for about two months.
Apparently change in takeoff patterns to cause noise in some communities.
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https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340, ... 55,00.html
Apologies article in Hebrew didn't find English one
And apologies if this already posted.

TLV to repair runway 8-26 after high holidays for about two months.
Apparently change in takeoff patterns to cause noise in some communities.

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by entdoc
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Flagged Airlines to Israel
Replies: 60
Views: 8399

Re: US Flagged Airlines to Israel

regarding crew segregation on TLV trips - for quite a few years very few people have stamps in their passports upon entry or exit nowadays using a biometric passport you get a small piece of paper with your picture on entry and exit nothing in the passport i also believe that at the border control b...

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by entdoc
Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RIP SDV (Sde Dov, Israel)
Replies: 13
Views: 5095

Re: RIP SDV (Sde Dov, Israel)

more fallout from SDV closure https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5541832,00.html apologize for article in hebrew reportedly arkia to lay off part of ground staff as they are not needed for few added flights to TLV planning to dump several E-195s and possibly cancel A330 order ah progress.......

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by entdoc
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RIP SDV (Sde Dov, Israel)
Replies: 13
Views: 5095

Re: RIP SDV

while the main route was SDV ETH or ETM it was certainly more than several times daily but somewhat less than an hourly shuttle. also per https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1407751&hilit=SDV there were LCA and maybe other flights as well. in the "old days" you coul...

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by entdoc
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RIP SDV (Sde Dov, Israel)
Replies: 13
Views: 5095

RIP SDV (Sde Dov, Israel)

no further last minute stays of execution from the government. at 2359 local last night SDV bit the dust after over 80 years of service. last Israir flight to ETM departed 2350. this on the heels of ETH closure. the ETH-SDV route was the lifeline for Eilat citizens especially patients travelling to ...

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by entdoc
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY7 diversion?
Replies: 5
Views: 1315

Re: LY7 diversion?

saw somewhere they eventually got to JFK about 3-4 hours late but still unable to find the tracking on FR wonder if the crew timed out? must have been some weather - when they attempted to land at JFK IIRC they were maybe 250 feet AGL...... and a few others ahead and behind seemed to get in though i...

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by entdoc
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY7 diversion?
Replies: 5
Views: 1315

Re: LY7 diversion?

seemed they landed SWF and I saw somewhere that there were t storms at JFK. but cannot seem to pick up the track anymore on FR24

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by entdoc
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY7 diversion?
Replies: 5
Views: 1315

LY7 diversion?

tracking someone I know flying to NY. per flightradar seems LY7 did a missed approach at jjk looks like 4r
now seems headed to Stewart
any idea why?

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by entdoc
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bye bye ETH (Eilat, Israel)
Replies: 9
Views: 4136

Re: Bye bye ETH

SDV = Tel Aviv Sde Dov

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by entdoc
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bye bye ETH (Eilat, Israel)
Replies: 9
Views: 4136

Re: Bye bye ETH

The next "fight" here is regarding planned closure of SDV in the summer.

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by entdoc
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bye bye ETH (Eilat, Israel)
Replies: 9
Views: 4136

Re: Bye bye ETH

Probably hotels bit non beachfront and high rise real estate and commercial.

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by entdoc
Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bye bye ETH (Eilat, Israel)
Replies: 9
Views: 4136

Bye bye ETH (Eilat, Israel)

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5480536,00.html#autoplay Sorry article in Hebrew An Arkia ATR 72 was the last flight to leave within the last hour. ETM takes over fully And in about two weeks pax flights to VDA will also cease. I will miss hanging out by the mall or the north beach hotels w...

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by entdoc
Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:00 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Honeywell And Curtiss-Wright Reinvent Airplane Black Box Recorders
Replies: 2
Views: 1439

Re: Honeywell And Curtiss-Wright Reinvent Airplane Black Box Recorders

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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1354735
See this discussion

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by entdoc
Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada YYZ Return/Divert 2/3/19
Replies: 3
Views: 909

Re: Air Canada YYZ Return/Divert 2/3/19

how (not) serious could it have been if they took the time to return to YYZ?
if it was life threatening would they not have landed in cuba?
and if very serious would they not have landed somewhere in Florida?
what are the customs and immigration issues if they had landed somewhere else??

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by entdoc
Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN flight makes emergency landing after cabin pressure (failure) leaves passenger bleeding from ears
Replies: 31
Views: 8483

Re: WN flight makes emergency landing after cabin pressure (failure) leaves passenger bleeding from ears

bobjones12345 you have it right (my five cents as an ENT doc) and your story about pain in ears on landing when flying with cold/congestion/allergy is spot on happened to me on a flight to boston years ago. begged the ENT doc to whom i travelled to interview for a job to pop my ear (needle tympanoce...

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by entdoc
Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LY 767 Retirement
Replies: 2
Views: 1095

LY 767 Retirement

Ynet news site (in Hebrew) reports that LY retired it's last remaining 767 4X-EAJ today after a flight from MXP.
They still have a couple of 747s IIRC.

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by entdoc
Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:47 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: why didn't LY order 748s
Replies: 42
Views: 6029

why didn't LY order 748s

as a follow up question to why BA didn't order 748s I wonder why LY did not order any as successors to their 744s surely they could have filled them to NY and the far east are their costs vs efficiency so much lower than the 787 family? for the NY runs where they routinely stuffed the 744s full does...

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by entdoc
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New international Israel airport open near Eilat
Replies: 6
Views: 1779

Re: New international Israel airport open near Eilat

Internal flights by March or so (probably tailored to before Passover which is mid April) International flights from ovda later in the year. Newspapers report loads of subsidies and landing fee waivers to attract carriers to the new field. I am still surprised the place has no jetways. Admittedly th...

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