Almost 800 thousand residents live directly under the approach paths of ORD’s 4 parallel E-W runways, for comparison, only 140 thousand live under WAW’s 15/33. WAW’s immediate surroundings aren’t anywhere near as developed as ORD, directly to the south of WAW you’ve got essentially rural landscapes...
Jump to postI didn’t expect ATH to have the highest LF out of any transatlantic route (DL or not). No wonder it’s going daily this year.
Jump to postI'm surprised UA has announced NRT-CEB. Whetherits undeserved or have over capacity, I'm not sure and cannot comment on it. UA is also using the same flight number to their NRT/LAX service. I wouldbe thought UA would first launch direct LAX-MNL. UA just launched SFO-MNL in October 2023 (I assume yo...
Jump to postI'm surprised UA has announced NRT-CEB. Whetherits undeserved or have over capacity, I'm not sure and cannot comment on it. UA is also using the same flight number to their NRT/LAX service. I wouldbe thought UA would first launch direct LAX-MNL. UA just launched SFO-MNL in October 2023 (I assume yo...
Jump to postAC882 YUL-ATH additional service will end mid-July, with resource reallocated to route listed below That was never meant to extend for the whole season. The additional YUL-ATH and YYZ-ATH flights (beyond the respective daily 77Ws) were loaded a few weeks ago from mid May to mid July only. Since the...
Jump to postYUL-BCN is increasing to daily for next summer too, A333 replaced by B773 Indeed. I see that AC is continuing to bring small adjustments to its S24 peak summer schedule. Here is what I’ve noticed in the last few weeks: YUL-BCN: daily 77WP (and not 333) YUL-LIS: now 6x/wk (from 5x/wk) YUL-BRU: now 3...
Jump to postLooks like DFW-ATH could happen soon on AA if demand holds and there are available a/c. Where does the demand for MIA-MAD/BCN come from? I believe they also flew to MXP in the past? Is it Latin America connections? MIA-Spain is a massive local market. It honestly doesnt even need many connections. ...
Jump to postLooks like DFW-ATH could happen soon on AA if demand holds and there are available a/c.
Where does the demand for MIA-MAD/BCN come from? I believe they also flew to MXP in the past? Is it Latin America connections?
United is adding Chicago to Athens this summer The optimistic side of me says that plane that was going to do the second dtw-lhr is available But the pessimistic side of me says they will add a second Atlanta instead What? What does UA adding ORD-ATH have anything to do with LHR and DL? I’m confuse...
Jump to postSurprising UA didn't launch it sooner, going all the way back to 2021, when Greece was among the first to reopen. UA launched IAD-ATH back in 2021, which was a logical next step after EWR-ATH. Dulles is UA’s clear no2 transatlantic gateway. With that route now somewhat matured, they are giving it a...
Jump to postInteresting that it ends Aug 12th? Feels like it could be extended by another month to take advantage of the summer travel season. Peak summer travel season for Europe is Memorial Day through mid-August. Kids go back to school. I have to wonder if this route was added due to extra available frames ...
Jump to postUnited Airlines just added ORD - ATH! Going head to head with AA! Surprising UA didn't launch it sooner, going all the way back to 2021, when Greece was among the first to reopen. UA launched IAD-ATH back in 2021, which was a logical next step after EWR-ATH. Dulles is UA’s clear no2 transatlantic g...
Jump to postLooks like AC loaded additional flights to ATH for summer 2024. Was mentioned in the Greek press and I just checked on the AC app: AC882 YUL 1500 - ATH 0700+1 B788 3,5,7 AC883 ATH 0900 - YUL 1155 B788 1,4,6 AC888 YYZ 1420 - ATH 0700+1 B788 6 AC889 ATH 0900 - YYZ 1245 B788 7 These run roughly form th...
Jump to postI don’t know why but I expected DL’s BOS-ATH to be even higher than 90%…perhaps it’s the higher adds of OA from other airports…similar to Portugal in a sense. From very little choice to all the choice…either way, nothing to scoff at BOS-ATH must be doing well for DL. It’s going daily next summer an...
Jump to postI still think delta is eventually going to launch ath out of dtw to compete against Turkish probably not in 2024 though Would like to see pkx again but Russian airspace makes that a problem Would also like to see a new carribean or Latin American destination Not sure that will be directly competing...
Jump to postAir Serbia is trying to dominate the Greek market and this year they launched scheduled flights to Rhodes, Heraklion, Chania and Corfu in addition to already flying to Athens and Thessaloniki. I heard rumors that they are boosting BEG-ATH from 14 to 21 next summer (Aegean boosted BEG from 5 to 7 al...
Jump to postATH would be difficult. Although FCO is also primarily tourist traffic, Italy attracts more tourists than Greece Interestingly, EK has said last year that the top 5 European countries it was seeing Australians wanting to fly to were the UK, Italy, France, Greece and Ireland. https://www.emirates.co...
Jump to postDetroit313 wrote:BOS - ATH was just pushed forward to April and ATL - ATH to late March.
Oh wow and I've just noticed that Boston isn't getting anything new. A little bit surprising. Just “more flights to Athens”. Schedule still shows 4 weekly so unclear if it’s going to be 5 weekly or daily, or just a longer season. One website out there is reporting daily flights. But yes no new rout...
Jump to postWow, 2 years in a row now with no adds for BOS. Yes I know they’ve grown BOS immensely over the last decade or so, but it surprises me with the new terminal E expansion that BOS didn’t get any love. There is mention in the press release about BOS-ATH increasing in frequency next summer… That's righ...
Jump to postKnw1000 wrote:Anyway, I wonder if EWR-PMI will launch this time around, as well as a second daily EWR-ATH flight.
Sounds like BOS-ATH could see one or more additional frequencies next year. It was 4x weekly this summer up from 3x in 2022.
Jump to postOne of DL’s two JFK-ATH just became year-round last winter I believe - although one issue for UA is that there is already EK on EWR-ATH in the winter. Let’s see. DL’s JFK-ATH is not true 100% year-round; they still stop between the second week of January and the first/second week of March. Correct,...
Jump to postI agree that a seasonal ORD-ATH looks like a no brainier and UA could potentially kick AA out of the market, however I always thought UA would try to make EWR-ATH year-round before. The season is being extended to late November this winter but I’d say we are one or two years away from a year-round (...
Jump to postAA's DCA-LAX/PHX routes need the capacity of 32N because they are hub to hub routes. A321T capacity is too small to effectively serve those markets, even if AA sold every premium cabin seat. I'll agree with you on DCA-PHX. OTOH, DCA-LAX while technically being hub-hub, is functionally more hub-spok...
Jump to postI’m betting on an expansion of the UA-EK deal including IAD-DXB, complementing EWR-DXB. Also maybe throw in some fun routes from ORD to secondary Europe—maybe UA will challenge AA on ATH. I’d love to see UA on ORD-ATH but I feel like the next step for them would be to make EWR-ATH year-round first....
Jump to post[twoid][/twoid] S24 seasonal changes **Interesting PHL was left off of the earlier starts to ATH Yeah, I'm happy about the new PHL routes but this is weird. My understanding is that PHL-ATH is very strong, going all the way back to the US Airways days when it was run with an A333. It's scheduled to ...
Jump to postDFW-ATH for “somewhere hot”?
It’s been rumoured for a while.
georgiabill wrote:Perhaps a stupid question what will be the next PER to Europe route? Would ATH be a possibility?
Todays interesting developments on the NEA front made me curious on how AA was performing in NYC, TL:DR the NEA seems to have changed the environment for AA in JFK, but less so in LGA: To be clear, I'm only looking at O&D fares (not PRASM which would factor in Load Factor), but using that metri...
Jump to postDetroit313 wrote:EWR - ATH has now been extended until the end of November according to United.com!
With UA’s huge widebody oder does anyone think that seasonal routes like ORD-VCE/ATH/LIS could come? UA doesn’t appear to be afraid of too much competition since AA already flies ORD-BCN. As for the winter perhaps UA could fly widebodies down to CUN/Caribbean as well as other hubs People here seem ...
Jump to postBecause a few flights haven't had a curtain divider? Just curious what would be required for the flights to not be "ridiculous"? To list a few: -Curtain dividers -Slightly better seat pitch and more comfortable seats (especially in ET but seat pitch in CE is also bad) -Middle tables on al...
Jump to postI have lots of times and remain to be convinced. Also in CE where did the middle free seat table and divider curtain go? I think I read somewhere that the middle table disappeared because of the location of the power box on the new aircraft. The curtain though is a mystery. It serves a purpose, whi...
Jump to postShanghai was served pre-COVID and so was Tokyo. These will come back in due course when the Asian market recovers and when it is deemed to be economically viable (also given the Russia situation). If the rumour is true, my bet is on Doha too. Qatar is keen to get foreign carriers to serve the airpor...
Jump to postThe design doesn’t work , the area for putting stuff on/ desk/ bench on is too far away from the chair. The angle of the seat and the distance is wrong . This hasn’t been thought through ..it doesn’t work . There’s a reason JetBlue / Saudia rejected this , it doesn’t work .,, I’m sure that we armch...
Jump to postGalwayman wrote:LH is working off taxpayer subsidies for at least another decade
I was on BA8 on April 17 which took the same unusual Westbound route as on April 18. All I know is there was some issue with the comms system which did not allow them to fly over the North Pacific, northern Canada, etc. I assume part of the comms (high frequency?) was down and therefore the ETOPS ap...
Jump to postChances are you'll see YUL-DSS before ABJ. YUL-DSS is easily do able using the upcoming A321XLRs as the block times are 8:15 from YUL and 9:00 from DSS respectively. As far as YUL-ABJ is concerned, the block time with B787 is 9:55 hours from YUL so in order for this route to work properly, a beyond...
Jump to postIs EWR - ATH becoming year-round like Delta’s JFK - ATH? Why? Have any flights been loaded beyond the summer season? EK’s EWR-ATH is year round and given the new partnership I assume UA will benefit. EWR-ATH is not part of the tie-up. The EK/UA partnership is only on a few routes between the US-DXB...
Jump to postDetroit313 wrote:Is EWR - ATH becoming year-round like Delta’s JFK - ATH?
[photoid][/photoid] New route for this Summer: Lisbon. One can wonder how much of this is coming from the new CEO's past at TAP.. Makes his commute to and from his home country easier, win for him! OMAA That’s obviously not how network decisions are made. Also Antonoaldo Neves is Brazilian, not Port...
Jump to postHow long is it on the ground at ATH? Does it mean the aircraft is being crossed with ORD-ATH? If so that means 787s are coming to JFK sooner then later…… Rumor had it they were getting ready for them this summer with new tugs at T8 for the 787s! Still shows B772 for JFK and B788 for ORD. Does not a...
Jump to postThe rest are head scratchers, especially VCE. I have a feeling that this is all about DL wanting to try a more consistent network all year. It's no real mystery... the only two reasons that an airline would want to be "more consistent" is if they're consistently seeing (1) bookings at the...
Jump to postThis has been discussed in the past. North American tourists in Greece mainly visit Athens and some of the Cyclades. To my knowledge Crete is not a massive hotspot for Americans and Canadians and neither is the rest of the country. So Athens remains the preferred gateway by far. No airport in the Cy...
Jump to postI have a feeling ATH will become a JFK only route. Maybe not this year but down the road. At least ORD-ATH did not get affected by this weekends update. Any more noteworthy updates in this weekends update? Everyone else will be flying to ATH until the end of October: -DL from ATL, BOS and the secon...
Jump to postThe international schedule was just updated again. It appears that PHL - ATH has been reduced even further. Now September is gone too. It is now running from June 1st until September 4th. I wouldn’t be surprised if it eventually gets the chop completely. I have a feeling ATH will become a JFK only ...
Jump to postDetroit313 wrote:Is Athens still year-round?
Hi all - there’s a lot of rumours in the Greek press about the upcoming announcement of a route between Athens and India. These rumours seem to be coming from Athens Airport itself so they feel quite legit. Apparently this was nearly announced pre-COVID but then was put on hold. I assume this is DE...
Jump to postHi all - there’s a lot of rumours in the Greek press about the upcoming announcement of a route between Athens and India. These rumours seem to be coming from Athens Airport itself so they feel quite legit. Apparently this was nearly announced pre-COVID but then was put on hold. I assume this is DEL...
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