What a horrifically dumb thread about a virtual non-event.
Jump to postI'm not overlooking the role of a hub (ATL), I just don't think it's that important in this case. SK has been flying to EWR for 30 some-odd years. They had equity relationships with CO and then codeshare with UA. That relationship likely covered 98% of all onward connection traffic, except for the ...
Jump to postNo offense, but we're back in the land of magical thinking. SAS is a basket case. Teaming up with Delta and connecting garbage traffic flows over ATL vs EWR/ORD/IAD (which cities have overwhelming higher local demand and yield). doesn't make SAS's balance sheet any better. I don't think the JV make...
Jump to postI'm surprised DL doesn't already serve Scandinavia from ATL - its biggest hub? But not it's biggest international hub, ATL is mostly a domestic hub. DL's largest international hub is JFK. And DL already flies JFK-CPH, albeit seasonally. Expect it to go year-round as SAS joins SkyTeam. I mean, the U...
Jump to postIndeed, a key item being missed by many in this thread is that SAS (on longhaul) wants to move away from its fatal over-reliance on Scandinavian point-of-sale travelers. It's the North American side of the Atlantic that has overwhelmingly driven growth and profits in TATL flying post-pandemic; Scan...
Jump to postMillwallSean wrote:ATL doesn't offer much for anyone.
Delta serves Montrose (Telluride), Hayden (Steamboat) and Aspen from Atlanta. However, they don't have service to Montrose, Aspen, Durango, Santa Fe, Grand Junction, or Flagstaff from their western hub of Salt Lake City. But DL having a hub in SLC, located near several resorts within an hour drive ...
Jump to postIt worked in Boston. 20+ years ago some people thought it was crazy that Delta was building their own brand new terminal. I'm not saying they'll ever turn AUS into BOS but a new concourse wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibilities. That's a pretty gross oversimplification of Delta's l...
Jump to postI suspect Delta has made a long term strategic goal of building a full hub in AUS, to compete with AA in DFW and UA in IAH, as well as WN in LUV and HOU. Even as DL dismantled a perfectly good hub at DFW not really all that long ago... Hindsight is always 20/20. Oh, I promise you, it wasn't perfect...
Jump to postYou also have to realize that even as of just a few months ago there was still a lot “in-flux” about Summer 2024 international flying that has come into clarity of late. This includes the following: China flights / slots TLV situation Dropping the HND slot for PDX Firming up the delivery timeline o...
Jump to postI’m not entirely sure it’s a reaction either but… 1. Route announcements don’t take months or years. Any network planning team at the US3 has done research already on every hub-potential city pair in their network and the impact of a new route to their hubs. Absent that, The data is all there in a ...
Jump to postWhile this route may have been under consideration for a long time; the timing of the announcement is nothing but a knee-jerk reaction. But this screams of just another KIX and HKG - both of which were massive failures with even no competitors on the route. Oh FFS. That is NOT how this works. Trans...
Jump to postOh yeah, you are absolutely right. What a sheer coincidence that the culmination of years and years of planning on this route and the AS/HA merger announcement happened just two days apart! Mind you, such coincidences happen not only in the transpacific. Legend has it that years and years of planni...
Jump to postWhile this route may have been under consideration for a long time; the timing of the announcement is nothing but a knee-jerk reaction. But this screams of just another KIX and HKG - both of which were massive failures with even no competitors on the route. Oh FFS. That is NOT how this works. Trans...
Jump to postWhile this route may have been under consideration for a long time; the timing of the announcement is nothing but a knee-jerk reaction. But this screams of just another KIX and HKG - both of which were massive failures with even no competitors on the route. Oh FFS. That is NOT how this works. Trans...
Jump to postDelta adding SEA-TPE on an A330-900 daily starting 6/8/24. About frigging time we see DL actually utilizing SEA as its intended purpose. Also serves as a warning shot to AS that they are not going down in the sunset quietly. Agreed, but it’s also sad how these type of situations is what it takes fo...
Jump to postAnd yet DL still outperforms AA and UA on a number of competing routes with average load factors and fares. Jeremy Funny to see the parallel LAX debates between the DL and AA Network threads. I do not have route-specific data, but I've seen DL displace AA at the #1 spot in LAX over the last year. N...
Jump to postHow does AA have a monopoly on over the entertainment industry? What does AA offer for them that DL/UA don't? Decades ago, AA did have a strong hold on the entertainment and media markets. Much has been surrendered to DL today. Especially in media, and NY originating pax. AA maintains its hold on t...
Jump to postThis isn't complicated. Delta is paying for more gates because it wants to be able to gate more flights on larger banks in the future. The key to remember here is that Delta signed a long-term lease for additional gates...which is the entire reason they are going to be built so soon and not a decade...
Jump to postUnited’s relationships with its European partners are different than Delta’s. Therefore, different strategies are needed.
Jump to postDelta is adding another flight from ATL to ICN next spring: Starting in April 2024, this new flight will initially operate three times per week before increasing to daily service starting in May. This added frequency will complement existing once-daily service from ATL-ICN on Delta metal and anothe...
Jump to postNoahV37 wrote:Allegiant announced TVC-FLL starting May 17. It will be twice weekly. This is an interesting route. Grand Rapids and Flint don’t even have FLL during the summer.
. It is safe to assume that most of Delta's network is profitable, so the "bottom 40%" probably contains mostly profitable flying! Not really. Delta is quite open and honest with investors that the bulk of their profitability comes from their interior fortress hubs, not their coastal ones...
Jump to postSo far in 2023, Alaska’s costs are 24% lower than Delta’s. I would also expect Delta to have a higher TRASM in markets where it flies regional jets against Alaska’s mainline, which is a good number on the list above. Where's that? DLs regional jet ops is tiny at SEA, and half of it is supplementing...
Jump to postI was referring to this section: If the carrier is performing poorly in Seattle, why doesn’t it greatly pull back its network there? Delta is a proud airline, and the airline seems happy maintaining a strategy, even if it’s not succeeding; for better or worse, American just constantly jump out of m...
Jump to postLook, to be honest, it ought to be on the people who brought up all of this to defend their position. But this website is free, so don't hold your breathe.
Jump to postSo a point was made earlier that the DL and AS cannot be compared directly statistically as Delta has long-haul flying that skews the numbers. So I decided to pull the YE 2Q23 data "by market" using Diio's Route Grader Tool. This tool actually provides Stage Length Adjusted TOTAL RASM (TRA...
Jump to postOh, I totally understand this. I wish the same sort of care you are taking here to highlight "variables" would have been taken in the initial "analysis". Being Delta's worst performing hub, isn't a death sentence. It's barely even news. Every airline has a "worst-performing...
Jump to postThanks jetlanta..... While the former user that cannot be names does have access to variety of data sources and does do some interesting analysis, they have a history of making some click-baity type of claims. That is the problem with a lot of these internet / sidehustle bloggers. A lot of people h...
Jump to postTo make my point even clearer, the #1 hub in the country based on Stage Length Adjusted PRASM is.....PHL. ALL this data shows is that Delta's other hubs are really strong. Which is evidenced by their overall performance. Alaska clearly makes strong profits at SEA, yet it UNDERPERFORMS Delta on the ...
Jump to postAs I posted in the DL Network thread, I don’t believe DL specifically looks at SEA in pure isolation. From a network perspective I believe they look more at SEA, LAX, SLC holistically from a network perspective in the Western US. Pretty sure their executive leader is aligned with a VP over these 3 ...
Jump to postEnjoying all the comments here. :banghead: To be clear, this "analysis" is not good. Comparing performance from one hub in a carrier's network to others, then insinuating that the "lower-performing" hub is in jeopardy because it's Stage Length Adjusted RASM is lower, is horrific ...
Jump to postThis argument about MSP and Scandinavia is wild. The connection is centuries old now. I’ve lived in Sweden for nearly 10 years and not once heard of anyone visiting MSP or having any desire too. If it was such a big draw it would have been served at some point. It's not wild. American's have always...
Jump to postDTW-JAX just got cut from daily to 5x weekly in the winter on the last update. With NKs diminishing presence, DTW has no SY to nudge DL into adding/keeping those more leisurely flights. When you say winter update....to you mean Jan-early Feb? The lowest of the lowest travel time of the year? I don'...
Jump to postTPG now has published a review with pics of the new Delta SkyClub. https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-boston-skyclub-international-terminal-e/ Interesting! On that note, the airline leaned heavily into locality for the design, with art curated from artists with themes connected to the broader New ...
Jump to postIt's too bad other carriers didn't take them. You would think WN or B6 would jump on the opportunity. ATL needs more competition, not less. Apparently DL is giving up 3 gates in D south for them so it’s not a net addition for DL, just a swap. WN wouldn’t be interested in them- they are entirely con...
Jump to postFNT-BWI had atrocious load factors from what I remember. FNT - anything east has always been terrible. South and west to sun / beach markets direct or connecting flows work. East, not so much. I'm surprised they couldn't make Florida work. Considering the huge Michigan/Florida traffic. Allegiant se...
Jump to postThe idea that either DTW or MSP is going to close is complete idiocy.
Jump to postYeah curious how this will work with the massive reduction in regional capacity and the collective dropping of routes and markets by the US3. I suspect a lot of applicants are will be geared toward G4, Breeze, Alevo. Indeed, though some of the carriers were a little more reluctant to provide suppor...
Jump to postRWY 03R is 6K feet long and is the longest No one is going to be providing commercial service from PDK. It is ATL or bust, if you want to serve Atlanta. Guessing you never tried getting to ATL from the north suburbs during the rush hour it’s a pain. Atlanta is one of a few major markets without a s...
Jump to postDoes PDK have the runway length to accommodate an Airbus A319/320? Even if it does PDK doesn’t really have a terminal/passenger facilities to handle them. RWY 03R is 6K feet long and is the longest No one is going to be providing commercial service from PDK. It is ATL or bust, if you want to serve ...
Jump to postAn A220-500 having the same MTOW as the A220-300 would be relatively easy to develop & certify, creating maximum commonality. And there would still be sizeable capability gab with the A320NEO. For development effort, engineering certification we need to look at Airbus Canada, not so much Europe...
Jump to postSW Florida is a very rapidly growing area, and there are numerous very upscale gated communities and country clubs. As far as the northeast, RSW has nonstop service on DL to BOS, JFK and LGA. B6 also has numerous nonstops to both BOS and JFK and there is also nonstop service to BDL and HPN. I was s...
Jump to postI tend to fly a lot and experience the product on a weekly, if not daily basis. Over the last year I have become pretty concerned, both with product and operation as it relates to competitors. This is a feeling I have not had in years flying with Delta. I am a loyal Delta flyer, therefore I am look...
Jump to postYep. With the always evergreen "Delta needs to have this or that airplane and this or that seat, or else it will fall behind." meme. People have absolutely no idea the challenges of managing 1,000 airplane fleet to an absolute standard. If you ever want to see product improvements, you ha...
Jump to postGlen Hauenstein spoke about HND slot waivers on the earnings call yesterday. He said if they don’t get them, they will fly 100% of their pre-pandemic Japan schedule. If they do get them, they will fly about 75%. I highly recommend listening to these calls, if you don't already. They provide and incr...
Jump to postThis thread has been hijacked.... Yep. With the always evergreen "Delta needs to have this or that airplane and this or that seat, or else it will fall behind." meme. People have absolutely no idea the challenges of managing 1,000 airplane fleet to an absolute standard. If you ever want t...
Jump to postIf DL ever gets the “legs” for ATL-SYD, I think they’d be better off doing JFK-SYD. I mean, if they’re going to do ULH, why not do it somewhere with significant O&D traffic too. Can’t see much of that with ATL… it’d mainly be transit. This take is pretty much the opposite of how it works, to be...
Jump to post5014 en route to MSP 5015 delivery cancelled today 5018 taxi check/RTO today https://aibfamily.flights/A320/11122 IFC 3145 back in service 3119 to enter today 3165 RTS tomorrow 3717 RTS status unknown There are a few sites out there - planespotters.net is one, and another is maintained by some folk...
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