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by delta-flyer
Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Profit Sharing Sets New Record
Replies: 81
Views: 11199

RE: Delta Profit Sharing Sets New Record

Does every single employee get 21.4% of his/her actual salary?
Or, do a few get -- say 200%, and the majority get - say 5%?
Just curious -- I'm not trying to infer anything.

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by delta-flyer
Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:56 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Flying To Brazil. Rio Vs. Sao Paulo
Replies: 21
Views: 4207

RE: Flying To Brazil. Rio Vs. Sao Paulo

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote" ><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/B747forever" class="quote" target="_blank">B747forever</a> (<a href="#15" class="quote">Reply 15</a>):<br/><i>Some tips about Iguassu falls is...

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by delta-flyer
Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possibly Shortest 747 Flight Ever 14 Minutes
Replies: 63
Views: 24385

RE: Possibly Shortest 747 Flight Ever 14 Minutes

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Viscount724" class="quote" target="_blank">Viscount724</a> (<a href="#22" class="quote">Reply 22</a>):<br/><i>There were a few <acronym title="S...

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by delta-flyer
Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:04 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Widebody Turboprop: Feasible? Possible?
Replies: 75
Views: 16712

RE: Widebody Turboprop: Feasible? Possible?

In my opinion, a twin aisle needs to be around 200t+ MTOW, otherwise single aisle would make more sense. The C-130 is seriously short, the A-400M just about there. The Tu-95 comes close, but it's over 60 years old, but with today's technology, it would be feasible. We can call it an ultra-high bypas...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Remembering Air Bridge To Canada
Replies: 2
Views: 2893

RE: Remembering Air Bridge To Canada

Thanks, Viscount. I guess I've already found all the "low hanging fruit". I'm hoping for some first hand knowledge or access to data that's not on the Internet. For example, departures of ABC flights from <acronym title="Vienna - Schwechat (VIE / LOWW), Austria">VIE</acronym>, or information about C...

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by delta-flyer
Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Remembering Air Bridge To Canada
Replies: 2
Views: 2893

Remembering Air Bridge To Canada

Hi Folks, I've been absent for a long time, now back again with a burning question: In 1950's, Canada had a program called Air Bridge to Canada ("ABC") whereby they brought immigrants from Britain to Canada who were devastated by WW2 and wished to leave. In 1957, this program was extended to include...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:18 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Weight Of Plane
Replies: 6
Views: 4176

RE: Weight Of Plane

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/pilotpip" class="quote" target="_blank">pilotpip</a> (<a href="#4" class="quote">Reply 4</a>):<br/><i>Since it's impractical to make everyone st...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airline Museums
Replies: 49
Views: 7607

RE: Airline Museums

If you are ever in Budapest, you can visit the MALEV museum on the airport property, within walking distance of the terminals. They have several Soviet-era planes - including Tu-134, Tu-154, Il-18, Il-14, An-2, Yak-42 and a Mi-2 helicopter. This link has some information (I could not find an officia...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi
Replies: 193
Views: 30920

RE: QF8 Diverts Again - This Time To Nadi

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/jfk777" class="quote" target="_blank">jfk777</a> (<a href="#14" class="quote">Reply 14</a>):<br/><i>Qantas must have had over 8 hours of notice ...

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by delta-flyer
Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Maritime Central Airways Information?
Replies: 5
Views: 3882

RE: Maritime Central Airways Information?

Bom dia, CV990 .... thanks for your reply.

Also Pinsent, thanks for the Wiki link.

I hope the biography of founder Carl Burke has more information.

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Maritime Central Airways Information?
Replies: 5
Views: 3882

RE: Maritime Central Airways Information?

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by delta-flyer
Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Maritime Central Airways Information?
Replies: 5
Views: 3882

Maritime Central Airways Information?

Here is a question for the Canadian crowd .... MCA was an airline in the 40's through 60's that was, at the time, the third largest in Canada (after TCA/Air Canada and Canadian Pacific) that provided schedules service in eastern Canada and Newfoundland and extensive charter service between Canada an...

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by delta-flyer
Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:35 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Death Of The "Bush Doctrine"
Replies: 104
Views: 4668

RE: Death Of The "Bush Doctrine"

My thoughts exactly - as I was was reading the latest Administration response to the N. Korea and Iran issues, I could not help but think how different things are now than 3 years ago, going into Iraq.

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:26 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: More Oil In Alberta Than Saudi Arabia!
Replies: 35
Views: 4032

RE: More Oil In Alberta Than Saudi Arabia!

I recall the oil sands were all the buzz in Canada after the 1973 oil embargo. I lived in Vancouver at the time. The story then was that the technology was not ready to extract it economically, at least not at the then-prevailing price of oil.

Looks like things are different now, eh?

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:40 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: AC Verses DC
Replies: 28
Views: 16668

RE: AC Verses DC

Chris, I'm not familiar with the 747 architecture. Perhaps what you call "low-output" are the ones I consider "high power" - they're low compared to the engine pumps, but high compared to the <acronym title="Air Canada">AC</acronym> power available. Well, I just thought of something - lets look what...

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by delta-flyer
Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:21 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: AC Verses DC
Replies: 28
Views: 16668

RE: AC Verses DC

Thanks, FlyMatt2Bermud, I appreciate your kind words. Electric motorpumps have been a large part of my career as an engineer over the past 35 years. (This fall will be my 35th college reunion.) I've been in sales the last few years, but still keep my nose close to the design world. This is a bit of ...

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by delta-flyer
Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:14 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: AC Verses DC
Replies: 28
Views: 16668

RE: AC Verses DC

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by delta-flyer
Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:31 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: AC Verses DC
Replies: 28
Views: 16668

RE: AC Verses DC

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by delta-flyer
Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta: Industry Leader In FF Awards...
Replies: 36
Views: 3454

RE: Delta: Industry Leader In FF Awards...

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by delta-flyer
Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cameras On NW
Replies: 39
Views: 4832

RE: Cameras On NW

A book can be a flying hazard, too!  <img src="/discussions/graphics/smilies/wink.gif" alt="Wink"> Seriously, though, on Delta I have been given pretty consistent answers about camera use during take-off and landing --- still cameras are <acronym title="CSA Czech Airlines">OK</acronym>, but vid...

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by delta-flyer
Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:20 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What Do You Think About Alaska?
Replies: 80
Views: 4728

RE: What Do You Think About Alaska?

My son and I went to Barrow for 2 days ... it was awesome! Saw the midnight sun ... here are some pics:

http://homepage.mac.com/engrpas/Alaska/PhotoAlbum14.html

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Exceeds Expectations! - Meet Demand?
Replies: 48
Views: 9079

RE: Boeing 787 Exceeds Expectations! - Meet Demand?

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by delta-flyer
Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Exceeds Expectations! - Meet Demand?
Replies: 48
Views: 9079

RE: Boeing 787 Exceeds Expectations! - Meet Demand?

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by delta-flyer
Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Exceeds Expectations! - Meet Demand?
Replies: 48
Views: 9079

RE: Boeing 787 Exceeds Expectations! - Meet Demand?

I haven't been on A-net for a good while, but I see that you guys are still waging the A vs. B war you did a few months ago. I see a couple of clouds on the 787 horizon .... 1. Boeing wrenched some very agressive price cuts from their systems suppliers as compared to similar components used on the 7...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Eastern Airlines Aircraft At STL
Replies: 3
Views: 3906

RE: Eastern Airlines Aircraft At STL

Hello, I have not visited here in a good while, nice to be back .... I flew on Eastern L-1011's between Seattle and Atlanta with a stop at <acronym title="St. Louis - Lambert-St. Louis International (STL / KSTL), USA - Missouri">STL</acronym> in the summer of 1978. They had an "unlimited mileage" pr...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:54 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Relation Between Supply Frequency & Weight
Replies: 3
Views: 3124

RE: Relation Between Supply Frequency & Weight

Hello, I haven't been on A-net for a good while, I see some of the old-timers are still active. Most airborne motors are 400 Hz (not MHz) induction types, so they run at basically synchronous speeds less 5 - 10% slip. At 400 Hz, the synch. speeds are 24,000, 12,000, 8,000, 6,000 rpm, and so on, depe...

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by delta-flyer
Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Which Airports Have Seen The Concorde?
Replies: 181
Views: 28922

RE: Which Airports Have Seen The Concorde?

A British Airways Concorde did a charter from Jackson, Mississippi to London in the mid 1980's. I have some video of it somewhere. The approach path was published in the local paper, and I taped it from a mall parking lot. Much to my disappointment, the camera was not turned on, and I got nothing. B...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:39 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What Are Gas Prices Like In Your City?
Replies: 127
Views: 5898

RE: What Are Gas Prices Like In Your City?

Just filled up in Ridgeland (Jackson area) Mississippi .... $2.54/gal, no limit, but had a 15 minute wait.

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Sat May 07, 2005 11:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747Adv? Show Us The Money Boeing!
Replies: 44
Views: 8057

RE: Boeing 747Adv? Show Us The Money Boeing!

GEnxPower .... do you think the 747Adv would use the bleedless engine, per the 787, thereby having to make major changes in system architecture - particularly the hydaulics and ECS, or would <acronym title="Trans Asia Airways (Taiwan)">GE</acronym> offer an airbleed type to fit the current 744 archi...

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by delta-flyer
Sun May 01, 2005 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Understanding The "787 Technology" Hype
Replies: 96
Views: 9359

RE: Understanding The "787 Technology" Hype

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by delta-flyer
Sun May 01, 2005 2:18 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Best Airport Meals To Go
Replies: 14
Views: 4638

Best Airport Meals To Go

With the lack of meal service on domestic US flights, buying a meal to go in the airport is becoming popular, with some pretty decent meals available for around $10. What is your favorite concession, and what meal do you recommend? My favorite is Jim Neely's BBQ in Memphis, concourse B. Try the BBQ ...

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by delta-flyer
Sun May 01, 2005 2:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: F-Class AA: No Jews/Muslims/Vegetarians/Diabetics
Replies: 153
Views: 14000

RE: F-Class AA: No Jews/Muslims/Vegetarians/Diabetics

Actually, I welcome the new lack of meal service, in general, on domestic flights. It actually gives passengers a greater choice, as decent box lunches can be purchased for under $10 in the airport prior to boarding. My favorite is Jim Neely's BBQ in Memphis. Maybe this is a good new thread topic .....

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by delta-flyer
Sun May 01, 2005 1:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thoughts On Deregulation
Replies: 10
Views: 2322

RE: Thoughts On Deregulation

The free market will take care of the industry - the less government intervention, the better. Airlines that are more efficient will ultimately replace those that are not, and eventually prices will adjust to reflect the true economic cost of providing service. If people lose their jobs, then they w...

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by delta-flyer
Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Wants List Of Pax For Overflying Aircraft
Replies: 77
Views: 6817

RE: US Wants List Of Pax For Overflying Aircraft

There are a lot of good reasons why this may not significantly enhance security. But, just imagine the consequences if a foreign overflight were hijacked and used as a terrorist bomb inside the USA. Would Air Canada like to be that airline? or Aeromxico? or perhaps <acronym title="British Airways">B...

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by delta-flyer
Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines "Keeps It Simple"
Replies: 29
Views: 6165

RE: Southwest Airlines "Keeps It Simple"

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by delta-flyer
Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Not So Very Wonderful F Class?
Replies: 8
Views: 3378

RE: Delta Not So Very Wonderful F Class?

What do you find wrong with the biz-elite seat? I've had many hours of decent sleep in them.

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BUF And CO Attitude To Photography
Replies: 8
Views: 2964

RE: BUF And CO Attitude To Photography

You should be aware that <acronym title="Continental Airlines (USA)">CO</acronym> does not allow use of cameras inside the cabin from the time doors close until 10,000 feet, and similarly on descent and approach. I was told that in no uncertain terms on a recent flight by a F/A. It's also in their p...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Wants List Of Pax For Overflying Aircraft
Replies: 77
Views: 6817

RE: US Wants List Of Pax For Overflying Aircraft

We need to remember that it was the US, not other countries, that was attacked by terrorists using aircraft as bombs. And it is the US that is under the greatest threat to repeat attacks. The US, therefore, has every right to defend itself from such a possibility. If other countries want to do likew...

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by delta-flyer
Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Landing And Taking Off From MEX
Replies: 6
Views: 3881

RE: Landing And Taking Off From MEX

Due to the thinner air, take-off thrust is reduced while required take-off speed is increased. This makes take-offs at full load (compared to sea level) not possible. I was on a full flight leaving <acronym title="Mexico City (- Licenciado Benito Juarez International) (MEX / MMMX), Mexico">MEX</acro...

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by delta-flyer
Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A318 Is A Widebody?
Replies: 33
Views: 8433

RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Why don't you guys read the context in which this statement is made? The description goes on to say it is the widest cabin in its class, the class being single aisle 3x3 seating. It's more a play on words than a marketing hype, because everyone in this market knows it is not a "widebody" in the sens...

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by delta-flyer
Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:04 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Was This A Hydraulic Leak?
Replies: 20
Views: 5054

RE: Was This A Hydraulic Leak?

All aircraft I know of has hydraulics routed in the unpressurized parts of the aircraft. So there is no way fluid can leak into the cabin against cabin pressure from the outside ambient pressure.

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:30 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Hydraulic Pumps In Aircraft
Replies: 46
Views: 26022

RE: Hydraulic Pumps In Aircraft

Santhosh, Detailed schematics of many commercial aircraft hydraulic systems are in SAE document AIR5005. Here's a link ..... <a href="http://www.sae.org/servlets/productDetail?PROD_TYP=STD&PROD_CD=AIR5005" target=_blank>http://www.sae.org/servlets/productDetail?PROD_TYP=STD&PROD_CD=AIR5005</a> Pete

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: How Can A Trabant Pass The Ontario Emissions Test?
Replies: 29
Views: 7896

RE: How Can A Trabant Pass The Ontario Emissions Test?

On the other hand, one person can easily do an engine change alone without lifting gear in 20 minutes...

... provided, of course, there is a spare working engine ...  Smile

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:32 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Bush - Leading The US Into Facism
Replies: 155
Views: 6284

RE: Bush - Leading The US Into Facism

Well, I think you guys (and gal) are proving right here that we are a long way from fascism. No one is too inclined to sit down and shut up, and that's the way it will stay.

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Large ASA And CO Express Turboprop Order Looming?
Replies: 39
Views: 5279

RE: Large ASA And CO Express Turboprop Order Looming?

I am not convinced that the average passenger cares, or even notices, whether the plane on which he is flying is a prop or a jet. Nowadays passengers are keenly aware of airline economics, and selling a modern, fuel-efficient plane would probably resonate better with pax than a jet.

Pete

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Longest Running Flt. Number
Replies: 71
Views: 7580

RE: Longest Running Flt. Number

I can remember in the early 70's Air Canada had flight 870 (they called it "Europe 870" and the return "Canada 871") that operated the first 747 between <acronym title="Toronto - Lester B. Pearson International (Malton) (YYZ / CYYZ), Canada - Ontario">YYZ</acronym>-<acronym title="Montreal - Pierre ...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 In The US - An Interesting Analysis
Replies: 66
Views: 11452

RE: A380 In The US - An Interesting Analysis

One thing no one seems to have noticed is that there will be more airports in the US available to the A380 (<acronym title="New York - John F. Kennedy International (Idlewild) (JFK / KJFK), USA - New York">JFK</acronym>, <acronym title="Miami - International (MIA / KMIA), USA - Florida">MIA</acronym...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The Reason We Were In Iraq Dammit:
Replies: 21
Views: 2462

RE: The Reason We Were In Iraq Dammit:

I agree with Padcrasher. I think the Administration knew there were no WMD's or Al Qaida connection - but they also knew that starting a march toward democracy in the Middle East may ultimately have a positive impact. So they sold a bill of goods to the US public, and most of us (myself included) be...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Could The A380 Float?
Replies: 38
Views: 7236

RE: Could The A380 Float?

<i>"It might only displace water equivalent to its weight." i think you meant VOLUME....Eureka theory....</i> Actually, the original statement is correct, provided the object is afloat. Only a sunken object displaces its volume. The A380 would float just like any other aircraft, provided it can land...

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by delta-flyer
Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:56 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Manchester - Not In Northern England!
Replies: 25
Views: 2635

RE: Manchester - Not In Northern England!

Well, Manchester's web site seems to think it's in the North .... <a href="http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=&GridE=379914&GridN=399139&scale=4000000&title=North%20of%20England&cat=h" target=_blank>http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=&GridE=379914&GridN=399139&scale=4000000&title=North...

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