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by VSMUT
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:07 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Do pilots appreciate compliments on good landings?
Replies: 9
Views: 262

Re: Do pilots appreciate compliments on good landings?

Ground and tower rarely mess these things up. :lol: :lol: :lol: You need to come to Spain! Fair point. In my defense, my rosters have been full of "orderly" destinations lately. ;) BCN isn't so bad, though, right? Dunno, never been there, only overflew it. Palma is the worst in my opinion...

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by VSMUT
Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:33 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Do pilots appreciate compliments on good landings?
Replies: 9
Views: 262

Re: Do pilots appreciate compliments on good landings?

Starlionblue wrote:
Ground and tower rarely mess these things up.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

You need to come to Spain!

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by VSMUT
Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Struggle for the Azov Sea
Replies: 28
Views: 525

Re: Struggle for the Azov Sea

Around this time, two Ukrainian Navy ships (command/support/S&R ship A500 Donbas and seagoing tug A830 Korets) are attempting to cross the Kerch Strait from the Black Sea into the Azov Sea. The Ukrainian ships are being shadowed by two Russian patrol boats. A US Air Force RC-135V is reportedly ...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Start-up airline Swiss Skies plans to start flying BSL-CVG in 2019
Replies: 62
Views: 8264

Re: Start-up airline Swiss Skies plans to start flying BSL-CVG in 2019

Basel cheats when you look at the population. The city is right on the border of France and Germany. If you include the entire metropolitan area in all 3 countries (Mulhouse, Saint-Louis, Lörrach/Weil-Am-Rhein, Freiburg etc), you quickly reach a population of 750.000 with 45 minutes driving time. T...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa to take charge of LCC Eurowings long haul network
Replies: 11
Views: 3963

Re: Lufthansa to take charge of LCC Eurowings long haul network

Someone83 wrote:
Jetter330 wrote:
That would not be good news for SN as they were appointed to take care of the long haul operations of the Eurowings Group.


Isn't it just the operations?


Operations, or operations department? The people who fly the planes, or the people who make the flightplans?

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Start-up airline Swiss Skies plans to start flying BSL-CVG in 2019
Replies: 62
Views: 8264

Re: Start-up airline Swiss Skies plans to start flying BSL-CVG in 2019

Basel airport handles same passenger counts as CVG, IND and CMH. Appears population is @ size of Dayton MSA. Has pharma biz and they have money and do travel The remarks about unconnected, poor cities that represent @9M people is about the most ignorant and uni formed have seen in this forum ...and...

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by VSMUT
Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China’s high-speed trains are finally coming to Hong Kong, posing threat to HK aviation?
Replies: 37
Views: 5867

Re: China’s high-speed trains are finally coming to Hong Kong, posing threat to HK aviation?

WorldFlier wrote:
I think HSR is clearly a winner. Imagine if the US had HSR along I-95...


Certainly beats getting packed into a CRJ/ATR/Q400, and all the airport security mess.

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by VSMUT
Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Generally, the correct yogurt is...
Replies: 22
Views: 498

Re: Generally, the correct yogurt is...

Soy yogurt all the way. Tastes better. Also doesn't cause bloating and brown rain (for me at least).

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by VSMUT
Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:42 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Self transfer in CPH
Replies: 5
Views: 536

Re: Self transfer in CPH

I have 3 hours for a self transfer in CPH. Will I make that? I have no checked luggage but I must get out to check in for my connecting flight. What are the things that I must look at? I have never been in CPH before. Is it a good easy airport? My connecting flight goes to the USA, does that make d...

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by VSMUT
Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:29 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 2 Hr connection in WAW, is that enough?
Replies: 6
Views: 444

Re: 2 Hr connection in WAW, is that enough?

You are travelling on one ticket, so even if you miss it, it will be LOTs responsibility to get you to the destination and provide hotel if necessary. There are luckily lots of flights to Praha from Warszawa, and even more with one stop in Frankfurt or Munich. You will also be able to apply for APR ...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TAROM future fleet
Replies: 34
Views: 6228

Re: TAROM future fleet

I think TAROM would be better off to standardize and have a fleet purely made up of A220s. It would cover all of Europe, north Africa and Middle East from anywhere in Romania. With both -100 and -300, the capacity per plane is just right and allow maximum flexibility. IMHO, the A220 is probably too...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First Delta Airbus A220-100 Rolls Out Of Paints Shop
Replies: 80
Views: 16890

Re: First Delta Airbus A220-100 Rolls Out Of Paints Shop

What's the thing under the tail that looks like a landing gear door? Is it somehow related to the APU, and in that case, does it have to be open if the APU is started mid air for some reason? Looks like a service door for the APU or area aft of the rear bulkhead. It isn't supposed to be open in fli...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:51 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: If the USSR were still around...
Replies: 31
Views: 1492

Re: If the USSR were still around...

1. There are no conflicts in Eastern Europe. 2. There was no attack on Yugoslavia in 1999. 3. No war in Ukraine. 4. The population of the Baltic countries is increasing. 5. The population of the USSR exceeded 310 million 6. The economy of the USSR in second place in the world. 7. The base on the mo...

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by VSMUT
Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:35 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: New Russian luxury sedan goes on sale (pics)
Replies: 52
Views: 1820

Re: New Russian luxury sedan goes on sale ( pics)

But their business plan is fatally flawed. Most wealthy Russians will not give up their fleets of Mercedes and BMW's to ride in this car. A few will buy it to show their loyalty to the govt but that's about it. Does anyone think this car has a chance on the export market? I think you are looking at...

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by VSMUT
Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:11 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Pilots/Flight Attendants: has a passenger ever tried to smoke on your flight?
Replies: 24
Views: 1857

Re: Pilots/Flight Attendants: has a passenger ever tried to smoke on your flight?

I've had cabin crew and pilots light up without permission, but never any passengers. Stinks the entire aircraft up, nasty. More times than I can remember. Standard procedure is to pour a pot of water in the trash incase they threw their cigarette in there. Don't all trash compartments come with an ...

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by VSMUT
Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Be-200s for USA
Replies: 49
Views: 9833

Re: The Russians Are Coming... Be-200s for USA

In terms of getting water on target/ per hour/ per dollar it must be impressive. E.g. 2400t water in 42 flights / 119hrs / 300 scoops-drops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuF0LN8x66c https://previews.123rf.com/images/lexigel/lexigel1209/lexigel120900020/30474549-gelendzhik-russia-september-9-seap...

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by VSMUT
Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:50 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Learning to fly after intracracial aneurysm surgery
Replies: 4
Views: 454

Re: Learning to fly after intracracial aneurysm surgery

Starting at 35 is no problem. I know people who started in the 40s. 35 was pretty normal IMO.

Can't speak for any medical issues.

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by VSMUT
Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:17 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: NJ college suspends all activities of Frats/Sororities
Replies: 17
Views: 798

Re: NJ college suspends all activities of Frats/Sororities

What makes schools in the US so popular among Greeks? Is it related to the financial crisis in Greece? IMHO, if you break the laws of a host country, you should just be sent home.

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by VSMUT
Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DHL B777?
Replies: 10
Views: 2570

Re: DHL B777?

Morning All With reading online about DHL going to get B-777, what are they replacing is it the B-757 or B-767? Probably not the 757, but it could be the 747, existing 777 (unlikely), part of the A300 or 767. Or just for future growth. IMHO, A300 seems likely. They have 35 across various sub contra...

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by VSMUT
Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Azul to replace E-195s by 2021 with E2-195s
Replies: 16
Views: 2423

Re: Azul to replace E-195s by 2021 with E2-195s

But I'm not aware of the #1 and #2 operators of those types cycling out. Even Indigo is now buying A320NEOs. :hyper: The biggest and second biggest A320 and 737 operators also operate 10 times as many of them as the biggest E-jet operators. But since you brought it up, Indigo is replacing it's flee...

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by VSMUT
Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:58 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airlines Catering to Home Country vs. Foreign Pax
Replies: 13
Views: 1598

Re: Airlines Catering to Home Country vs. Foreign Pax

KLM would be on obvious example. They cater very heavily to various non-dutch markets. I believe they practically consider Scandinavia a second home-market. They have a strong presence, many flights and lots of marketing in those countries. But besides all of that, they are still heavily grounded in...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Azul to replace E-195s by 2021 with E2-195s
Replies: 16
Views: 2423

Re: Azul to replace E-195s by 2021 with E2-195s

But this has the #1 and #2 operators of the E190/195 retiring the planes early. Early? These will be approaching 15 years by the time of replacement. Plenty of 737 and A320 operators replace their fleets at that age or less. And it isn't as if a much more economical plane didn't just come out ;) I ...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Laudamotion to double Airbus fleet following completion of Ryanair deal
Replies: 43
Views: 9314

Re: Laudamotion to double Airbus fleet following completion of Ryanair deal

Dude, you dont know what you are talking about. A modern A320 does not navigate like an original A320 at all. The original A320 had no GPS, ILS CAT IIIb, RNAV, RVSI, modern FMC, EFIS, ADSB, etc. To get a 1993 vintage A320 fully capable of flying today in Europe, an airline would spend around $1 mil...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Laudamotion to double Airbus fleet following completion of Ryanair deal
Replies: 43
Views: 9314

Re: Laudamotion to double Airbus fleet following completion of Ryanair deal

Where will they get these planes from? It seems everyone wants and airbus now and is reactivating "old" planes (e.g. easyjet A319) or prolonging leases. Also, very little has changed technologically for NB's since the certification of the A320-200 in November of 1988. An A320 from 1993 is...

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by VSMUT
Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A100, Fliegerfaust. Airbus might buy & upgrade CRJ line.
Replies: 86
Views: 13435

Re: Airbus A100, Fliegerfaust. Airbus might buy & upgrade CRJ line.

And there might be a significant market for a new, lean, quiet and flexible 35-60 seat twin prop. Exactly! And I would add "rugged" to "lean quiet and flexible". See Greenland, for example. The Dash 8-200 is the lifeline there, serving Greenland's airports all of which are very ...

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by VSMUT
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A100, Fliegerfaust. Airbus might buy & upgrade CRJ line.
Replies: 86
Views: 13435

Re: Airbus A100, Fliegerfaust. Airbus might buy & upgrade CRJ line.

We know, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't get involved in other products in the future. Since Embraer already closes its door and go with Boeing instead. There is very little for Airbus to come for in the remains of Bombardier. As mentioned, the CRJ is almost worthless without significant investme...

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by VSMUT
Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:14 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Ignorant things often said by infrequent annoyed Travellers
Replies: 39
Views: 2231

Re: Ignorant things often said by infrequent annoyed Travellers

"This plane has propellers, it participated in D-day! We are all going to die!" Heard on a flight I operated with a 6 month old ATR 72-600. We had 50 sobbing women in the back crying their eyes out because they legitimately thought they were going to die. They were initially scheduled to g...

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by VSMUT
Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A100, Fliegerfaust. Airbus might buy & upgrade CRJ line.
Replies: 86
Views: 13435

Re: Airbus A100, Fliegerfaust. Airbus might buy & upgrade CRJ line.

We know, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't get involved in other products in the future. Since Embraer already closes its door and go with Boeing instead. There is very little for Airbus to come for in the remains of Bombardier. As mentioned, the CRJ is almost worthless without significant investme...

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by VSMUT
Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Genghis Khan Airlines gearing up to take to skies on wings of ARJ21s in early 2019
Replies: 54
Views: 6495

Re: Genghis Khan Airlines gearing up to take to skies on wings of ARJ21s in early 2019

For all we know, it could be an actual MD-90 with blended winglets. The wing is new. Developed by Antonov in Ukraine. It even developed problems during testing, when the wings started cracking prematurely in the static tests. Ok, now that's more assuring :? It was also fixed. FWIW, western manufact...

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by VSMUT
Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A100, Fliegerfaust. Airbus might buy & upgrade CRJ line.
Replies: 86
Views: 13435

Re: Airbus A100, Fliegerfaust. Airbus might buy & upgrade CRJ line.

It would have to be really cheap. The CRJ has limited life and few orders left in its current form, and needs extensive investment in order to bring it up-to-date. How far did Bombardier ever progress on the re-engine program? How competitive would the CRJ become with the PW1215G or 1715G? The new c...

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by VSMUT
Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Genghis Khan Airlines gearing up to take to skies on wings of ARJ21s in early 2019
Replies: 54
Views: 6495

Re: Genghis Khan Airlines gearing up to take to skies on wings of ARJ21s in early 2019

Man, did a B717 coupled got married recently and made a baby? That sure looks like shortened 717 with winglet..... I assume you know it borrowed the MD-90 cross section, nose, and much of the tail. Wing is new. Lightsaber For all we know, it could be an actual MD-90 with blended winglets. The wing ...

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by VSMUT
Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:57 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The ecological point of view - Do you look at your ecological footprint when you travel?
Replies: 54
Views: 3183

Re: The ecological point of view - Do you look at your ecological footprint when you travel?

4 people in a modern car generate is little as a 20% the amount of CO2 as 4 people in a 737 does. Yeah but you have to run 50 cars to carry the same 200 passengers...the numbers aren't so good now, in fact they're quite the opposite. The figure is already divided up per passenger. 200 passengers in...

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by VSMUT
Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SAS posts strong peak quarter results despite operational disruptions
Replies: 26
Views: 2568

Re: SAS posts strong peak quarter results despite operational disruptions

There is something I would like to understand about SAS. How does the operation in 3 countries work from financial / fiscal point of view? If I take, for example, a flight from CDG to CPH and then onward to HKG (paying on their French website by credit card), who takes the money first? SAS group (b...

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by VSMUT
Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Primera with TATL from FRA and TXL
Replies: 54
Views: 7382

Re: Primera with TATL from Berlin Tegel

Primera indeed has a strange "game plan", to say the least. Their headquarters is in Latvia, and most planes in Denmark, if I recall correctly....but they have these transatlantic flights out of BRU, one of the London airports, and now Tegel, besides their "vacation" flights out...

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by VSMUT
Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Muddle of the Market aircraft (No, this isn’t a typo)
Replies: 327
Views: 29343

Re: The Muddle of the Market aircraft (No, this isn’t a typo)

Nonsense. That same argument would mean the 787-10 is much better economically than the A350-1000. Both aircraft have the same cabin size/area but the Airbus weighs significantly more with a bigger wing and more powerful engines. No, not nonsense at all. The smaller 787-10 is indeed going to be mor...

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by VSMUT
Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:32 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: European Commission proposes abolishing DST
Replies: 54
Views: 1379

Re: European Commission proposes abolishing DST

UltimoTiger777 wrote:
Hasn't the Commission got bigger things to deal with anyway?


Normally you would criticize the EU of not listening to the people. Now you criticize them for listening to the people by insisting that it isn't important enough. So which is it?

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by VSMUT
Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What do you guys think about the Comac ARJ21?
Replies: 62
Views: 6797

Re: What do you guys think about the Comac ARJ21?

Um, the only Flanker variant with with side-by-side seating is the SU-34, which Ukraine does not operate. Behold, the Su-33KUB! Only one or two were ever made, so you can be forgiven for not knowing about it, although it/they did enter service on the carrier. Note that this side-by-side cockpit is ...

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by VSMUT
Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What do you guys think about the Comac ARJ21?
Replies: 62
Views: 6797

Re: What do you guys think about the Comac ARJ21?

And yes, they received full technical drawings. Su-27 or, rather, Su-33MKK were assembled and then license built in China. So were previous generation MiGs. And they were never "redesigned. Or maybe you have proof of that, too. The MiG-15UTI, Su-27 and Mi-17 families are the only 2 aircraft (u...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What do you guys think about the Comac ARJ21?
Replies: 62
Views: 6797

Re: What do you guys think about the Comac ARJ21?

But it does seem to have good visibility...traditionally and apart from the Su-27 and a couple of other designs, the Russians and Chinese try to engineer as much visibility out of the cockpit as possible...Soviet style be it civil or military (look at the Tu-160)...too much transparency is never go...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:18 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The ecological point of view - Do you look at your ecological footprint when you travel?
Replies: 54
Views: 3183

Re: The ecological point of view - Do you look at your ecological footprint when you travel?

http://ecopassenger.hafas.de/bin/query.exe/en?L=vs_uic&
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By the way, the EU and the International Railways Union has funded the website EcoPassenger.org, where you can compare emissions for cars, trains and planes on any given route:
http://ecopassenger.hafas.de/bin/query.exe/en?L=vs_uic&

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:14 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The ecological point of view - Do you look at your ecological footprint when you travel?
Replies: 54
Views: 3183

Re: The ecological point of view

True and in many respects it is less of an impact than other modes. A full 737-800 typically burns about 5 gallons per hour per seat. That’s about 100 miles per gallon per person. Driving the same trip you’ll use about 1 gallon every 30 miles or so. 4 people in a modern car generate is little as a ...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What do you guys think about the Comac ARJ21?
Replies: 62
Views: 6797

Re: What do you guys think about the Comac ARJ21?

and I assume that Comac saw these plans and tried to copy the western made plane, but obviously didn't recreate (in terms of versatility at least) the dc-9 we all know and love. They didn't just come across the plans by incident. Comac, through various preceding company splits and mergers, is actua...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The new British aircraft carriers - interesting long read
Replies: 46
Views: 3214

Re: The new British aircraft carriers - interesting long read

What's India thinking, acquiring carriers? What about all those nations that have their fleets of helicopter carriers? India has significant interests in Africa and the Middle East. Just look at the India operation to evacuate Yemen of all places. They have much greater economic interests and expat...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:53 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The ecological point of view - Do you look at your ecological footprint when you travel?
Replies: 54
Views: 3183

Re: The ecological point of view

I have never understood why many environmentalists disparage commercial air travel. They are always wanting us to use public transportation. But, isn't that what commercial air travel is? DUH ! ! ! True and in many respects it is less of an impact than other modes. A full 737-800 typically burns ab...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:31 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A320 MPA as Orion / Atlantic Replacement, France , Germany
Replies: 173
Views: 15318

Re: A320 MPA as Orion / Atlantic Replacement, France , Germany

The Chinese have subs but nowhere near what the USSR could field. I think they have copies of the Soviet Akula Class Diesels. Very quiet but not Particularly log Range. Jane's Fighting Ships might render better information.. 1. The Akula (NATO designation) is a highly potent nuclear powered hunter-...

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by VSMUT
Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Muddle of the Market aircraft (No, this isn’t a typo)
Replies: 327
Views: 29343

Re: The Muddle of the Market aircraft (No, this isn’t a typo)

Wish someone said lets clone the 752/3 in carbon fiber and call it a MAX. Even if it was possible (spoiler: it isn't), your carbon fibre 757 with new engines would never be competitive with the A321. It is just too overbuilt, and the miniscule savings from a lighter material would never make up the...

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by VSMUT
Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Muddle of the Market aircraft (No, this isn’t a typo)
Replies: 327
Views: 29343

Re: The Muddle of the Market aircraft (No, this isn’t a typo)

Wish someone said lets clone the 752/3 in carbon fiber and call it a MAX. Even if it was possible (spoiler: it isn't), your carbon fibre 757 with new engines would never be competitive with the A321. It is just too overbuilt, and the miniscule savings from a lighter material would never make up the...

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by VSMUT
Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:26 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Clear Prop!
Replies: 32
Views: 2367

Re: Clear Prop!

One of the funniest things I've seen flying the 727 was when we had a Captain that would open up the sliding window and yell that before we started the engines. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Challenge accepted for when I make captain. :D I am so going to start doing that :lol: Hey there A...

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by VSMUT
Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:23 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which Airline Has The Most Planes Airborne/ % of Fleet at Any Given Time
Replies: 22
Views: 3022

Re: Which Airline Has The Most Planes Airborne/ % of Fleet at Any Given Time

Highest percentage of aircraft utilization overall? I'd bet my money on B6. I'm willing to bet not. Maybe in the US, but the high rate of unionization and lack of competition in the US is likely to reduce utilization overall. European or Asian LCCs probably exceed utilization of any US airline. My ...

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by VSMUT
Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:00 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which Airline Has The Most Planes Airborne/ % of Fleet at Any Given Time
Replies: 22
Views: 3022

Re: Which Airline Has The Most Planes Airborne/ % of Fleet at Any Given Time

Cargo carriers like UPS and FX may have the largest percentage of fleet airborne due to narrow operating window during night hours. Yes and no. They have a fleet based around the world, and night falls at a different time in Europe, Asia and the Americas ;) Im working for an airline with just 1 pla...

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