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by VSMUT
Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't EK order 787 instead of A380?
Replies: 47
Views: 5631

Re: Why didn't EK order 787 instead of A380?

SA280 wrote:
Yet, they have identified routes that could be more suitable for the B787, and ordered the -10 version.


Almost. They eventually ordered the 787-9, not the -10. They weren't satisfied the 787-10 could carry enough payload over a meaningful distance for their network.

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Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAI Launches 777-300ER converted freighters with GECAS
Replies: 253
Views: 46314

Re: IAI Launches 777-300ER converted freighters with GECAS

Why was there a test flight before the conversion? Maybe they added some sensors to take readings for areas that will be modified during the conversion for a baseline? It's common to do a testflight to see if everything is as it should and if anything needs to be fixed while it is in the shop. It w...

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by VSMUT
Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is there a Business Case for a 787-9 regional
Replies: 75
Views: 9982

Re: Is there a Business Case for a 787-9 regional

787-10 regional seems more sense The 787-10 is already a regional airplane, especially if you max out the payload. Yet it flew TPAC for UA. That level of versatility is valuable. The proposed NMA, designed from the start with 2/3rds the 787 range would be the better small regional, but we know that...

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by VSMUT
Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:14 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)
Replies: 32
Views: 1122

Re: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)

The new SAS livery. The new American Airlines. The new Lufthansa. The latest KLM livery with the wavey line. The straight cheatline was so much better. I can only say one thing about this: stop living in the past. Personally I find each of these liveries an improvement over the previous one. Not th...

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by VSMUT
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:38 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)
Replies: 32
Views: 1122

Re: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)

The new SAS livery.
The new American Airlines.
The new Lufthansa.
The latest KLM livery with the wavey line. The straight cheatline was so much better.

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by VSMUT
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:06 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which plane is more of an underdog- L1011 or MD-11?
Replies: 5
Views: 387

Re: Which plane is more of an underdog- L1011 or MD-11?

The MD-11. Tristar was perfectly acceptable for its time. We've just become accustomed to airlines buying hundreds of aircraft, with programs reaching 1000 sales in less than a decade. In the 1970s aviation was much smaller. 250 sales was not bad at all. For comparisons sake, the DC-10 sold 386 (not...

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by VSMUT
Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:25 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?
Replies: 37
Views: 2348

Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

It's a good shout, but did that one hit the water hard enough for parts to come off? Every photo I've seen of that plane it looks remarkably intact (though I haven't seen the nose gear post-removal from the water). Absolutely. The aircraft was too low on approach, not too slow. For a 737-800, that'...

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by VSMUT
Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:03 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?
Replies: 37
Views: 2348

Re: Found a landing gear door washed up on a beach - aircraft ID?

Which part of Australia? and an unrelated question- what material is the 777-200er gear door made of? :eyepopping: It's not a 777, thats for sure. 777 nose gear doors don't have rounded corners. Plus, the part is white and the MH370 plane was painted grey on the belly. I'm thinking the Air Niugini ...

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by VSMUT
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New King Air 360 - block point change for the King Air B300 series
Replies: 18
Views: 3562

Re: New King Air 360 - block point change for the King Air B300 series

Hmm, seems pretty conservative. I like King Airs, but the design is really beginning to show its age. It doesn’t sound like they’ve incorporated a FADEC though and that could be limited in that respect Reading through the description, it sounds as if the auto-trottle is being pitched as a poor-mans ...

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by VSMUT
Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:44 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Columbus Statues in Chicago Removed
Replies: 25
Views: 1014

Re: Columbus Statues in Chicago Removed

I hope we rename the District of Columbia. My God how offensive. If you’re going to do that you should also rename Washington DC and Washington State, Washington was a slave owner and not a very nice one either. Columbus is just a name, one that predates the Italian explorer by quite a bit. Just fi...

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by VSMUT
Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Columbus Statues in Chicago Removed
Replies: 25
Views: 1014

Re: Columbus Statues in Chicago Removed

I have no opinion on this as I haven't thought about it (and being European), however this opens a big can of worms. If Columbus Day was celebrated in the US, it's because it's basically the start of that country. So now the man that started that country can't be celebrated, and the reason is the t...

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by VSMUT
Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is there a Business Case for a 787-9 regional
Replies: 75
Views: 9982

Re: Is there a Business Case for a 787-9 regional

Armadillo1 wrote:
787-10 regional seems more sense


The 787-10 is already a regional airplane, especially if you max out the payload.

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by VSMUT
Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:55 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The C141 Starlifter
Replies: 29
Views: 1798

Re: The C141 Starlifter

The C-141 was never really a heavy vehicle transporter. It was sized for M113 but that was about it. Troops and pallets were its bread and butter role. When the C-141 was developed, the US military was flirting with the concept of air mobile warfare. The M50 Ontos, M56 Scorpion and M551 Sheridan, p...

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by VSMUT
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The C141 Starlifter
Replies: 29
Views: 1798

Re: The C141 Starlifter

You mean they were extended after they had been built ;) Not too many types can boast of that achievement. I know some Tu-204s were shortened. I know they were lengthened after production. But I can't understand why the designers didn't think of cargo volume during the design... as in "aluminu...

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by VSMUT
Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Aeroflot 77Ws and A359 being stored
Replies: 32
Views: 7905

Re: Aeroflot not taking two new 77W

These were the first ones destined to get the updated Aeroflot 777 interior, were they not?

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by VSMUT
Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:49 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The C141 Starlifter
Replies: 29
Views: 1798

Re: The C141 Starlifter

This seems to be one aircraft that’s rarely discussed here Not the most exotic in Av history but it was in AF service for many years Curious to know peoples opinions on this machine, particularly those who have worked on or flown it The most remarkable thing, IMO, is that this plane was lengthened ...

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by VSMUT
Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:46 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Potential for an 787-10ER ?
Replies: 65
Views: 8639

Re: Potential for an 787-10ER ?

I’m curious about something. At what point in the “7E7 Dreamliner development was it decided that there would be a 787-8, 9 and 10? Was it planned from the onset or did the idea for the 787-10 come later somewhere in the process? I realize that flying any of the 3 would feel the same, but I cannot ...

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by VSMUT
Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:38 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What in Your Opinion has been the Ugliest Commercial Jet?
Replies: 111
Views: 6512

Re: What in Your Opinion has been the Ugliest Commercial Jet?

I have never been fond of the cockpit windows on Airbus aircraft - all those pillars going at different angles, and differening window depths. It just jars with me. Compared to how elegant the cockpit window arrangement on the 707/7227/737 is, and I guess the DC9/MD-80 which has a similar look. Fun...

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by VSMUT
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did Boeing say that the 727 replacement was the 757?
Replies: 87
Views: 12428

Re: Why did Boeing say that the 727 replacement was the 757?

It's really 9/11 that killed off the B752, as if the model had survived a bit longer, it could have at least sought to be used in the emerging Asia market now dominated by the A320/1. No, you are way too late there. The 757 was killed off by the A321, already when the A321 started entering service ...

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by VSMUT
Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did Boeing say that the 727 replacement was the 757?
Replies: 87
Views: 12428

Re: Why did Boeing say that the 727 replacement was the 757?

The European charter/bucket and spade niche has been filled as well by the A321 which can fly to the Canaries from anywhere in Northern Europe. The only test will be a replacement for the 757-300 which is currently used in that niche for capacity still, although Condor are the only operator at the ...

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by VSMUT
Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?
Replies: 20
Views: 5239

Re: July 17th: Deadliest Date in Aviation History?

According to Aviation-Safety.net , yes July 17 is deadliest date in aviation history, with 927 fatalities. If we're excluding fatalities due to terrorism or other criminal acts, we can exclude MH17. Most accidents usually involve a criminal act somewhere. Not maintaining an aircraft properly or ope...

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by VSMUT
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did Boeing say that the 727 replacement was the 757?
Replies: 87
Views: 12428

Re: Why did Boeing say that the 727 replacement was the 757?

the fact that it took up till 2019 (with the 321XLR launch) for airlines to find a replacement. Interesting that airlines managed to retire 65% of the world’s passenger 757 fleet before they found a replacement. Remember that in the States, the 752 did a ton of “trunk route” flying that neither nee...

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by VSMUT
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:30 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your favorite airline liveries
Replies: 39
Views: 1365

Re: Your favorite airline liveries

PatrickZ80 wrote:
4. Air Tahiti Nui


That's a solid one too

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by VSMUT
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:02 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Question Regarding 737 Classic Wing
Replies: 5
Views: 966

Re: Question Regarding 737 Classic Wing

Do you mean, why does the pylon on the Classic seem to extend behind the wing? I don't think that is a pylon extension. It seems to be a flap track fairing. Area ruling probably had something to do with it as well. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Lufthansa_Boeing_737-300_%...

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by VSMUT
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:59 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your favorite airline liveries
Replies: 39
Views: 1365

Re: Your favorite airline liveries

1. Swissair (the last)
2. British Airways Landor
3. KLM 90s livery (the one with the fat, dark blue cheatline over the windows)
4. Alsie Express stealth ATR
5. Air New Zealand all black

Okay, that's 5, but at least only three of them still exist.

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by VSMUT
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:11 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 737CL engine sound
Replies: 1
Views: 832

Re: 737CL engine sound

I can't hear it in that video, but I suppose it's the sound of air rushing in through the narrow cowl as power added.

But I do agree that the 737 Classic is a lovely aircraft. It has character in a way the 737NG and A320 just don't have. I love flying on them.

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by VSMUT
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroflot Group Makes a Big Announcement and Shift In Their Strategy
Replies: 67
Views: 19535

Re: Aeroflot Group Makes a Big Announcement and Shift In Their Strategy

So basically Aeroflot and Pobeda will be slowly retiring Boeing planes? Well the opening post says Rossiya will transition to an almost all-Russian fleet, so it's safe to say that Boeing is getting almost completely wiped out in the Aeroflot group. I suppose they say almost, because they won't have...

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by VSMUT
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:36 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The C130 and CH47, obsolete proof ?
Replies: 29
Views: 2171

Re: The C130 and CH47, obsolete proof ?

Somewhat true for the C-130 but the CH47’s continued international dominance of it’s space imho, probably being a favorite even in Germany to expand it’s customer base, proves it’s not simply a job program. The Chinook is exactly the same. Technology has moved on in bounds and leaps since that anti...

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by VSMUT
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:22 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The C130 and CH47, obsolete proof ?
Replies: 29
Views: 2171

Re: The C130 and CH47, obsolete proof ?

The only reasons they were kept in production longer than 20 years, is because of the MICs influence in the US and because the US state keeps them artificially alive as job programs. Under ideal market conditions they would have been dropped decades ago. Under those circumstances, anything can becom...

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by VSMUT
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:41 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Is air travel really such a polluter? (Shutdown makes things clearer)
Replies: 32
Views: 3489

Re: Is air travel really such a polluter? (Shutdown makes things clearer)

You forgot one point: Air transport is only available/within the means for a tiny fraction of the worlds population. The reality is that most people in the world still haven't flown (estimates suggest more than 80% have never flown), and even fewer fly on a regular, even annual basis. It's 2.5% of ...

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by VSMUT
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:52 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Is air travel really such a polluter? (Shutdown makes things clearer)
Replies: 32
Views: 3489

Re: Is air travel really such a polluter? (Shutdown makes things clearer)

Also everything looks organic now like the trees are actually breathing and grass is growing freely. Even away from city I have seen things much more clearly and organic. Trees and grass "breathe" CO2. If anything, they should be thriving less. As already said, air transport is only a sma...

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by VSMUT
Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 615
Views: 110409

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

People seem to overlook one interesting fact: There is already a re-engined 764, it's called the A339. And just like the original A330 blew the 767 out of the water for passenger sales, so would the present offering with a 764 Max. As for re-engining the present fleet of 764s, get a grip. The insta...

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by VSMUT
Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why was the 747-500 cancelled?
Replies: 40
Views: 15075

Re: Why was the 747-500 cancelled?

That makes zero sense. The person you replied to talked about the regular cruise speed of modern turbofan engines and the 747 regularly flys at the same speed. The fastest I have seen in normal operations is .86 You don't see 747s flying faster, because that means they have to burn more fuel than w...

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by VSMUT
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why was the 747-500 cancelled?
Replies: 40
Views: 15075

Re: Why was the 747-500 cancelled?

That makes no sense, the 787 and A350 both cruise around .85, basically the same as the 747 using the most modern turbofans available and of course so does the 747-8 The 747 is a lot faster than mach .85. It will easily cruise at up to mach .92. That most 747s cruise at the same speed as a 787 is b...

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by VSMUT
Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:07 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?
Replies: 33
Views: 1683

Re: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?

SIN ! Seeing an aircraft from the airside of the terminal more like a scavenger hunt- I thought I was in an airport, not a shopping mall! Really dislike the windows overviewing the tarmac to be hidden behind security check, makes spotting from the terminal an impossible task. The discussion is abou...

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by VSMUT
Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:27 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?
Replies: 33
Views: 1683

Re: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?

I'm surprised that FRA hasn't been mentioned...that is a total zero interest approach from any level I did think about Frankfurt, and I completely disagree. Approaching from the east you have nice views of the city with highrises. From the west you get a nice look at the Rhine and the nice hilly la...

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by VSMUT
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:08 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: In-flight magazines
Replies: 25
Views: 1364

Re: In-flight magazines

Considering how ULCCs are flying longer and longer distances, it might make sense to start implementing it. Then you get the question, what weighs more. A magazine or an in-flight entertainment system complete with on-board server, wires, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the magazine would weigh les...

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by VSMUT
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:15 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: In-flight magazines
Replies: 25
Views: 1364

Re: In-flight magazines

For full-service carriers they might disappear, but for low-cost airlines (with a buy-on-board program) that won't easily be the case. The in-flight magazine also serves as a catalogue and price list for their on-board offerings. If they don't provide passengers with their magazine anymore, people ...

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by VSMUT
Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:46 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Cruise Ship / Ocean Liner Thread - 2020
Replies: 357
Views: 27638

Re: Cruise Ship / Ocean Liner Thread - 2020

lord knows why Rotterdam was preserved, I can't think of anything special about her, she's pretty small, nothing noteworthy about her design, nothing noteworthy about her service history, I guess the Dutch have some affinity towards her but meh if I can't think of anything worthy to say about her t...

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by VSMUT
Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:26 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: In-flight magazines
Replies: 25
Views: 1364

Re: In-flight magazines

For full-service carriers they might disappear, but for low-cost airlines (with a buy-on-board program) that won't easily be the case. The in-flight magazine also serves as a catalogue and price list for their on-board offerings. If they don't provide passengers with their magazine anymore, people ...

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by VSMUT
Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why was the 747-500 cancelled?
Replies: 40
Views: 15075

Re: Why was the 747-500 cancelled?

As history has shown, most airlines wanted the 747 for it's range, not size. If you wanted a long range jet in the late 80s, a 747-400 or an MD-11 was the only game in town, and we all know that the MD-11 didn't exactly live up to its promises. When the A340-300 and 777-200ER started offering simila...

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by VSMUT
Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:48 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your opinion on masks while flying
Replies: 27
Views: 1453

Re: Your opinion on masks while flying

When you fly, you have to play by the airline’s rules. It’s been that way for a long, long time. OP is asking about our opinions, not the rules. Once the packs are on, nobody is going to get COVID on a plane even with fairly dense seating configurations and high loads. Why do people act as if cough...

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by VSMUT
Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:16 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?
Replies: 33
Views: 1683

Re: What's the most boring airport approach you've flown?

As a pilot, the most boring I can think of off the top of my head is probably Paris CDG. It's worst if you have a more or less direct entry to a runway. Runway 27/26 is the worst, just lots and lots of flat fields. But 09/08 isn't much better, coming over some rather unspectacular suburbs. ATC is ef...

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by VSMUT
Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any progress on the Russian Chinese jet CRAIC CR929?
Replies: 24
Views: 5518

Re: Any progress on the Russian Chinese jet CRAIC CR929?

Two issues. No money. No buyers. Especially in the today's market and recovery is off for five years more. Maybe more. For some reason, people keep forgetting that Russia and China aren't free market economies... Both statements are false. Both Russia and China have the will, funds and ability to d...

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by VSMUT
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any progress on the Russian Chinese jet CRAIC CR929?
Replies: 24
Views: 5518

Re: Any progress on the Russian Chinese jet CRAIC CR929?

The way the industry is, this might well never see daylight. The way politics are, with the Americans handling out sanctions left right and centre, especially to Russia and now China, I think the opposite. It is even more likely to happen, if nothing else to make them even less reliant on western i...

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by VSMUT
Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:49 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: BA and "Future Travel Voucher Application"
Replies: 10
Views: 585

Re: BA and "Future Travel Voucher Application"

You are entitled to receive your money, per the law. They are just trying to weasle out of it.

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by VSMUT
Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:45 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your opinion on masks while flying
Replies: 27
Views: 1453

Re: Your opinion on masks while flying

It's nonsense. Stuffing several hundred people into an economy class cabin won't be made any safer because of masks. It's a theater meant to make people feel safe, no different from airport security. It is conveniently also a money grab for airports and airport vendors. Actually keeping distance to ...

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by VSMUT
Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian B77F on fire at PVG
Replies: 93
Views: 29285

Re: Ethiopian B77F on fire at PVG

I think that we are all in agreement on this. Depends how soon fire crew will reach the scene, also if other combustible material nearby. In United States the requirement is 4 minutes, however, I am not sure whether that mirrors the international standard or not. Surely it's 4 minutes to the runway...

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by VSMUT
Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM slap on the wrist for discrimination
Replies: 31
Views: 5375

Re: KLM slab on the wrist for discrimination

The orthodox jew was in the wrong, 100%. This was descrimination against the woman. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, especially if there is some kind of Human Rights rep on board as was the case. Funny how it should happen to him and his wife of all people, perhaps I'm being too assuming and j...

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