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by mandala499
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda Indonesia Orders Four A330-800neos
Replies: 87
Views: 15874

Re: Garuda Indonesia Orders Four A330-800neos

Hoping mandala499 would pipe in to lend a knowledgeable local viewpoint on the discussion at hand. Come to think of it, have there been real world performance data from KU and UR available yet on how well their A338s are doing on their routes? OK... I'm back... LOL... Let's seee now.... As for CGK'...

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by mandala499
Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff
Replies: 867
Views: 258167

Re: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff

Wondering if an alert of "Approaching Limits" for the AP could be implemented, based on the rate it's approaching said limits, maybe maybe 5 seconds prior to A/P off? Additionally, maybe a slight audible indication the throttles are moving, something nondistracting but still noticeable? A...

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by mandala499
Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff
Replies: 867
Views: 258167

Re: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff

"rolled more than 45°" is probably just stated to point out that this should trigger the pilots to perform an upset recovery procedure. I would assume that the maximum roll angle is well over 45°. It appears that the aircraft went from "climbing almost normally" to "fully u...

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by mandala499
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff
Replies: 867
Views: 258167

Re: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff

One of the blackboxes (am hearing it's the FDR) is being taken onshore... Good news... now... where the heck is that CVR... Colleagues in the ATC raised the alarm to me on this accident just 20 minutes after it went down... I saw the ADSB data about 1 hour after it went down and immediately alerted ...

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by mandala499
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff
Replies: 867
Views: 258167

Re: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff

That will really depend on if your receiver is decoding all of the packet, some decoders just extract the data they are after and ignore the rest. Yes, mine decodes those stuff... I can see a heck of a lot more on the ADSB on an A350 or B787 than on a 737Classic... whose squitters are usually only ...

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by mandala499
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff
Replies: 867
Views: 258167

Re: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff

ADSB data does include the the status of the autopilot, FCU setting, and FMC waypoint. FR24 just doesn't record it, the ATC recording of the ADSB data should have that on it. If I remember correctly, the 737-500 in question does not have that FCU setting and A/P status data transmitted. I have my o...

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by mandala499
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff
Replies: 867
Views: 258167

Re: Sriwijaya Air 737-500 (SJ182 CGK-PNK) crashes shortly after takeoff

I miss Gerry Soejatman contributions to this site on events like this. Someone told me to come here just now... :) It's been nonstop for me since 20mins after the airplane was lost on radar... 24 interviews in 26 hours... is nuts. Anyways... The VSIs recorded were... horrific. Looks like we may hav...

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by mandala499
Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda A330 runs off runway
Replies: 17
Views: 7151

Re: Garuda A330 runs off runway

I got my own ADSB system recording data at the airport. The runway in use was 03, but this aircraft was offered to go to 21 and the crew took it. The guess is that the parallel taxiway near the beginning of 03 was closed due to work in progress (NOTAMed). But they were cleared to go into the runway ...

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by mandala499
Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southeast Asia Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 10
Views: 1165

Re: Southeast Asia Aviation Thread - 2020

GA to officially appoint new board of directors on 22nd JAN...
We'll see if they appoint competence this time...

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by mandala499
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Malaysia downgraded to category-2 in the FAA safety assessment
Replies: 41
Views: 7078

Re: Malaysia downgraded to category-2 in the FAA safety assessment

They just don't declare regulator is unfit. They did when they banned Indonesian airlines from flying to the EU... The airlines were banned because they saw the regulatory oversight by the country's regulator, over the listed airlines, as lacking. The ban exemptions were granted after a few years i...

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by mandala499
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Final report of Lion Air JT610 has been released
Replies: 231
Views: 47996

Re: Reuters: Lion Air JT610 families told 737 MAX design flaws and flight crew deficiencies linked to deadly crash

Oh boy, the phone calls are already started to come in... and tomorrow is going to be hell I guess... Now something similar to points 1 to 4 would probably appear in the ET report too whenever that comes out... Now without 5-9, ET would have still happened. All I want now is the bloody MCAS fix to c...

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by mandala499
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder
Replies: 40
Views: 9899

Re: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder

LOL!!!!! Oh this news... LOL This news got me laughing a bit, especially after talking to the Lion Air management on their Airbus vs Boeing position in light of the "spate following the Max tragedies"... and also in light of this news.. Lion is still sitting on the fence on which way to go...

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by mandala499
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "Indonesian government to force Indonesian airlines to switch to Boeing"
Replies: 69
Views: 16182

Re: "Indonesian government to force Indonesian airlines to switch to Boeing"

I laughed when I saw this on the news... With the Max still being grounded, this "request" made by the minister to the airlines is nothing short of comical, and cringeworthy material. Oh yeah, the minister is rumoured to be replaced at the president's second inauguration... Lion is "f...

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by mandala499
Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:20 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your experience on now defunct carriers
Replies: 79
Views: 6096

Re: Your experience on now defunct carriers

Pan Am... was very young, flew them a few times post deregulation. They had cool goodie bags for kids in long haul (707, DC8, 727) and domestic transcon. Flew their IGS service (732 TXL-FRA), which was... interesting... TWA, flew them ATH-CAI and CAI-FCO, back in the early 80s with their 707s... I c...

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by mandala499
Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:26 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why retract flaps on the ground?
Replies: 51
Views: 8688

Re: Why retract flaps on the ground?

flight152 wrote:
Uh. What? There is no basis of fact on any of this, nice try though.

Maybe he taxies his jet in the middle of typhoons all the time. :)

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by mandala499
Thu May 02, 2019 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DPS as a hub for Indonesian airlines
Replies: 18
Views: 2737

Re: DPS as a hub for Indonesian airlines

I wonder whether there are any Indonesian airlines operating scheduled commercial flights (so I am sort of excluding Susi Air) that do not serve DPS? But still DPS isn't really a hub for them, is it? Batik Air didn't serve Bali for a while, it didn't fit their initial strategy... but it was inevita...

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by mandala499
Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:49 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: No 07L/25R EDDF Procedures?
Replies: 4
Views: 1427

Re: No 07L/25R EDDF Procedures?

I just looked up the current charts for FRA/EDDF... the current ILS for 07L and 25R on the RNAV transition basically negates the need for separate STARs for the runway... because the approach procedure goes from the non-RNAV STAR initial points anyway.. (KERAX, ROLIS and UNOKO)... and has joining pr...

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by mandala499
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Midwest Express Revival Plans, Office Space Leased
Replies: 114
Views: 21759

Re: Midwest Express Revival Plans, Office Space Leased

If they go with the original MidWest Express business model using a 2-2 seating on a 5 abreast T-tailed jet, they could go to COMAC and see if they can get huge steep discounts on the ARJ21s... :)
Jokes aside...
So, what will they use?
Ex Interjet SSJs? Or order new A220s? :)

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by mandala499
Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 777054

Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

That was my exact thoughts. Where does it end. Are we debating with people on here who are on the payroll for Boeing PR? It is the internet in 2019. I have my suspicions about the integrity and objectivity and lack thereof of several posters here. That goes above and beyond the typical fanboy or tr...

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by mandala499
Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't
Replies: 39
Views: 6691

Re: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't

Shareholders meeting for GA is set for 24APR. News is circulating here that the CEO will be replaced. One shareholder did not like the "creative accounting" that tried to hide the growing operating loss using the multi-year forward WiFi sales... And coincidentally, cheaper fares for 25APR ...

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by mandala499
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:39 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Are these contrails alarming?
Replies: 40
Views: 5953

Re: Are these contrails alarming?

Just another April Fool's video... with an aviation theme... :P of a Chemtrail kind...

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by mandala499
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 771615

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesn-t-Boein ... mmediately Simon Gunson

Oh no, it's that guy who accused me in public of being a "disinformant on the payroll of Boeing"... LOL... (No, I did not mean MRMR12)
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MRMR12 wrote:

Oh no, it's that guy who accused me in public of being a "disinformant on the payroll of Boeing"... LOL... (No, I did not mean MRMR12)

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by mandala499
Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:57 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Head Scarves and Scheduling
Replies: 77
Views: 7674

Re: Head Scarves and Scheduling

P.S. I understand there has been thread drift. But if Apartheid is "their circus, their rules" then agreement (or even understanding) on head scarves seems unlikely. If the crew objects to a destination due to political/moral/social issue, he/she is to raise that with the employer, or ask...

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by mandala499
Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:48 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Head Scarves and Scheduling
Replies: 77
Views: 7674

Re: Head Scarves and Scheduling

Women in the first group, who are airline crews and are forced to follow a religious rule (but don't believe ) sincerely feel oppressed. Then they should raise that with their employer... not with the country that has those rules. The same apply in reverse. I hope you agree that if female crew who ...

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: IFE in 2019 - Huh?
Replies: 25
Views: 3904

Re: IFE in 2019 - Huh?

For short haul, IFE is a a cost that troubles many. The weight means lost revenue and additional fuelburn. Getting rid of that, can save a LOT. However once you go between 3 - 6 hours, the BYOD vs seatback IFE evens out. But above 6, seatback IFE wins hands down. The future of IFE is both Streaming ...

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:43 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Head Scarves and Scheduling
Replies: 77
Views: 7674

Re: Head Scarves and Scheduling

I know that if head scarves are a symbol of gender oppression, then they're bad, and making your employees comply in the name of "when in Rome" is wrong. And arguments like "but you can hide in the hotel" really isn't an answer. Unfortunately, that is the answer. If the crew mem...

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by mandala499
Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK and London
Replies: 65
Views: 11232

Re: EK and London

By the time CX moved to LHR when it was opened up to new entrants again by HM Government and the BAA in October 1991 CX was operating upto 18 flights a week between HKG and London with the then fairly new B744, twice daily passenger flights plus the additional four cargo flights operated by Cathay ...

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by mandala499
Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Head Scarves and Scheduling
Replies: 77
Views: 7674

Re: Head Scarves and Scheduling

Are you really that ignorant mandala? Or are you just unhappy with the topic? Are we talking political and moral beliefs, or are we talking about crew being scheduled to go to Saudi Arabia, or Iran? The answer the OP asked, has been answered in various replies in this topic. 1. They will be schedul...

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by mandala499
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK and London
Replies: 65
Views: 11232

Re: EK and London

If I can remember, CX only used to serve LHR 3x daily I remember the days when CX served LGW 2-3x daily before moving to LHR, and if I remember correctly, with 1x BA from LHR 1x BA from LGW and 1x BCAL from LGW... (those were the days!) And when CX added LHR flights, they partnered with Air Canada ...

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by mandala499
Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:24 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Is this a FR24 glitch or something?
Replies: 6
Views: 1789

Re: Is this a FR24 glitch or something?

It isn't. It's the "flight number" inputted to the FMC Some pilots don't realize that it is transmitted through the Mode-S/ADSB transponder. I've seen funny stuffs before... along the lines of... YouSuck, HateYou, LoveMum, Single, Cheated, Hungry, Unpaid, PoorPay, etc, etc, etc, etc... (of...

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by mandala499
Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:40 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Head Scarves and Scheduling
Replies: 77
Views: 7674

Re: Head Scarves and Scheduling

Obviously ... but there was a question: If the place you're going has an immoral practice, do you really "do as the Romans do"? What has immoral practice got to do with Technical Operations? Dear Mods, I think it's clear what the OP is trying to do, and the answer he/she seeks has nothing...

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by mandala499
Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 771615

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

MentourPilot had recreated the ET302 trim conditions (ie close at Vmo, heavy control column) in the 737 NG sim. Apparently he needed to have both arms around the column to maintain the desired pull force on the control column, and found that the trim wheel was extremely hard to be turned. Unfortuna...

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by mandala499
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:39 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Plane Seating Templates
Replies: 4
Views: 1136

Re: Plane Seating Templates

Download theirs, or the manufacturer's default cabin layouts from their websites... then use that to base a new template file on, and they play on those template files... At least that's what I did back in my consulting for startups days... (Didn't use Photoshop... but used Illustrator... on top of ...

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by mandala499
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Favourite 737 generation?
Replies: 35
Views: 2865

Re: Favourite 737 generation?

Of all the ones I've flown on...
737-200 and 200Advs rock! The reversers... the flight controls are also just... RIGHT!
Then I'd go with the NGs, the classics I like the least...

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by mandala499
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:28 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Head Scarves and Scheduling
Replies: 77
Views: 7674

Re: Head Scarves and Scheduling

I think many women would very much disagree with you. They might reasonably feel discriminated against in a way men are not. Of course every person has their own viewpoint, but I would sympathize with such a position. How many is "many"? My friend who flew there or were based there for ye...

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by mandala499
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:54 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Plane Seating Templates
Replies: 4
Views: 1136

Re: Plane Seating Templates

Ever looked at SeatGuru.com ?

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by mandala499
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A319 at LCY? What's the issue?
Replies: 25
Views: 6202

Re: Airbus A319 at LCY? What's the issue?

I don't think the steep slope would be too much of an issue with the steep approach package... it may need more speedbrake deployment though, so that could reduce roll control, it may result in less crosswind allowance for steep approaches for A319... The problem is... Runway length. Don't be fooled...

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by mandala499
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 771615

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Serves me right for going off of memory and trying to follow and respond to something on my phone. Don't worry... no one is immune from such mistakes, no matter how many thousands of hours one spends on the phone :) I imagine LionAir was tough on you so just wanted to say thanks and that you are ap...

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by mandala499
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 771615

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

[photoid][/photoid] You do understand the normal speed for the 737 is 230 Knots indicated? Close to Vmo would be way out of the normal operating range but still within the flight envelope - Vmo would be the speed you would not really want to above or get near too while descending. You do realize/und...

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by mandala499
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 771615

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

I still do not believe it, because it is not true. At no point was the aircraft ever below FL050, not even while still on the runway. Take note of the phase of flight that the pilots were in (climb - they were trying to get to 14,000ft), and the altitude they were actually at, and look at the pitch...

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by mandala499
Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 771615

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

NOWHERE in the directive is "reenable flaps" mentioned as remedy. So, again, this is Monday morning quarterback syndrome. You know that because you had days to ponder over what to do. They had minutes and ton of work to do, even after being perfectly aware what is the problem. It is NOT m...

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by mandala499
Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 771615

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

The CEO recording that video is a good first step, they promise to get the fix right. I had the opportunity to discuss this with some PR consultants, international journalists, and (former and current) airline executives today in Jakarta... their reactions were... not good. To which I agree somewha...

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by mandala499
Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't
Replies: 39
Views: 6691

Re: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't

They have recognised all the revenue this year though...(>200m USD!) All 15 years accrued ahead into 2018, and only 1 aircraft installed... what's funny is the revenue appears to be Mahata "buying rights" to the BigData accrued from the aircraft wifi, in addition to the wifi revenues (whi...

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 627015

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

There are talking about the sensor that was flying on the JT043 + JT610 and that is still under the see floor (I don't remember reading that there recovered it from the wreckage). But 5 months after the beginning of the analysis we still have no word about the AoA sensor failure that was replaced, ...

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What is your prediction of future for Garuda, Thai and Malaysia Air?
Replies: 9
Views: 1686

Re: What is your prediction of future for Garuda, Thai and Malaysia Air?

GA just acquired pretty much every airline in Indonesia except for JT/ID/IW/QZ and it might survive longer. They haven't bought anyone. They have taken over the management of Sriwijaya Air and NAM Air (part of Sriwijaya Air group). I see this move as a desperate attempt to salvage the debt Sriwijay...

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't
Replies: 39
Views: 6691

Re: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't

As far as I know with Mahata, only 1 aircraft is so far fitted with the IFE and Wifi.. and did not generate any revenue to date, in fact, it should be costing them. The inflight wifi business model is not yet set in stone. Still various discussions going on. Anyway... an increase in operating loss o...

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't
Replies: 39
Views: 6691

Re: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't

The operating loss grew from $40million in 2017 to $200 million in 2018... No significant changes to "other operating income", but significant change in non-operating "other income", it's $270 million change... With airlines, what I look at is their operating income... it's not l...

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't
Replies: 39
Views: 6691

Re: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't

The profit is unsustainable if it is achieved by (allegedly) price fixing and (again, allegedly) bullying competitors and travel agents... The economic cost from their fare hikes isn't worth $800k of profits. The last time they had profits, the CEO was sacked because the profits was deemed "not...

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't
Replies: 39
Views: 6691

Re: Garuda forced to reduce domestic ticket prices 20% per Gov't

strfyr51 wrote:
Slashing ticket prices is pretty short sighted unless they're Domestic flights.

We're talking about domestic fares. International fares, let the market decide what to buy or not... :)

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by mandala499
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 627015

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

9Patch wrote:
What aircraft has ever achieved 100% safety?

Those who never were commercial successes comes to mind... :)

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