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by JoergAtADN
Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific News and Discussion thread
Replies: 321
Views: 94436

Re: Cathay switches 2 A350-1000s to A350-900. Reiterates 777-9 deferral preference

No customer will cancel aircraft orders if deferring is an option. One firms up penalties, including forfeit of accrued retrospective credits and milestone payments, and needs to appear in accounts. The other in comparison, is a free pass. Deferrals also mean the orders can stay on the OEM's books,...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020
Replies: 1402
Views: 2861

Re: Emirates: 777X further delayed until 2022, convert more orders to 787

Plenty of 380`s parked up to deal with that, if it happens, not just at EK but for all X customers! And 77W´s to soldier on a little longer. Starting to wonder about this X, things are not looking good....Great plane in a very different world! And fuel prices are low as never - no reason to invest ...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus wants governments to finance a scrappage scheme
Replies: 53
Views: 8090

Re: Airbus wants governments to finance a scrappage scheme

Like the cash for clunkers the US had after the GFC Are you aware, that the US introduced this very late, after their own economy already collapsed, while other countries had successful protected their industries with such programs months before? The north americans were just the copycats here! Thi...

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by JoergAtADN
Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: DL looking to trade 717s for 737 Max
Replies: 365
Views: 63431

Re: Rumor: DL looking to trade 717s for 737 Max

How much could Boeing save per year, if they could stop the entire 717 service operations immediately incl. the scraping of all spar parts, simulators etc.? If all 717 operators would return their planes and switch to 737MAX, they would still earn the service fees for a similar number of airplanes. ...

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by JoergAtADN
Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A321 XLR first metal cut
Replies: 13
Views: 3719

Re: Airbus A321 XLR first metal cut

So despite the crisis, the A321 XLR project continues. Though to be fair, no one really doubted it would be. It's already a big seller, and poised to be much more so, despite the crisis. In fact, that may HELP its case. And after a crisis, Airlines will need efficient planes with sufficient range a...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 259
Views: 61582

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

I don't think that there is any civilian aircraft program that will deliver as scheduled or normal, until Q2 2021, at earliest For sure, but it would make sense to keep the A220 production running at full rate, because the A220 production capacity is so low. Early production of defered planes and w...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What could a Potential A220-500/700/900 look like?
Replies: 190
Views: 26724

Re: What could a Potential A220-500/700/900 look like?

When the air travel market revives, the airlines will need small effiecent aircraft with adequate range first. All airframe makers must take action now, to have the right products at that time. The competition will be hundreds of 737MAX white tails, from canceled orders. These will be sold at an unb...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What could a Potential A220-500/700/900 look like?
Replies: 190
Views: 26724

Re: What could a Potential A220-500/700/900 look like?

I could imagine, that the priority of an A220 strech increased a lot, because until now, they couldn't produce as much frames, as they could sell. Furthermore many of the Airbus engineers were working on increasing the A320 family production rate - all these projects are stopped now and engineering ...

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by JoergAtADN
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57754

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, April 2020

Airlines want the more efficient MAX to replace their aging fleet they don't want now....from what I understand MAX RTS is still a huge priority for this year. But nowadays many airlines need cash to survive - and if they cancel a 737MAX order, where the delivery is delayed more than 12months, they...

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by JoergAtADN
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future demand for widebodies
Replies: 100
Views: 13249

Re: Future demand for widebodies

I see your point to an extent but I think much will depend on the actual performance of the 779. Again, I don't think many expected the A330 or the 77W to perform as well as they did. Once airlines gradually became fully aware of their capabilities they sold like hot cakes. But if the 779 proves, t...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Financial Discussion 2020
Replies: 432
Views: 60253

Re: Boeing in Crisis

If airlines cancel 737MAX orders, they get the deposit back. If they cancel other aircraft orders, the deposit would be lost. If the airlines go bust they can't ask for the deposit back Even British Airways is in danger apparently and that's something I never expected to say But if an airline cance...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Financial Discussion 2020
Replies: 432
Views: 60253

Re: Boeing in Crisis

Can't airlines cancel their 737MAX orders without penalty, due to the deliver delays? I guess there are some airlines, which need the millions of dollars back, which they gave Boeing as deposits for their 737MAX order. Maybe. Not really sure about how they return money upon sell. But if they will s...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Financial Discussion 2020
Replies: 432
Views: 60253

Re: Boeing in Crisis

Can't airlines cancel their 737MAX orders without penalty, due to the deliver delays?

I guess there are some airlines, which need the millions of dollars back, which they gave Boeing as deposits for their 737MAX order.

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by JoergAtADN
Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airlines Secretly Glad For the MAX Delay Now With Travel In Freefall?
Replies: 62
Views: 13492

Re: Airlines Secretly Glad For the MAX Delay Now With Travel In Freefall?

Glad are the airlines, which have not yet signed a compensation agreement with Boeing regarding the MAX delays. Because they can now cancel their MAX orders for free!

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by JoergAtADN
Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: Bombardier Sells Remaining Stake in A220 Program
Replies: 249
Views: 33221

Re: WSJ: Airbus in Advanced Talks to Acquire Bombardier Stake in A220 Program

I can see the A319NEO program beeing skipped for efficiency reasons. A319 customers being offered A320s/A223s and ACJ319 customers moved to ACJ320s. I think this is very unlikely in the foreseeable, because: -The A319NEO can be build on the same final assembly lines as the A320NEO/A321NEO - maybe f...

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by JoergAtADN
Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus to start producing A321neo in Toulouse
Replies: 21
Views: 4033

Re: Airbus to start producing A321neo in Toulouse

musman9853 wrote:
the supply chain is already probably overextended as it is, no?

This suddenly changed with the production stop of the 737. Suppliers who work for both programs, like the engine supplier CFM, have suddenly a massive overcapacity and it will take propably years until they are fully loaded again.

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by JoergAtADN
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing orders from China could resume now that trade deal is signed
Replies: 85
Views: 8249

Re: Boeing orders from China could resume now that trade deal is signed

The FlightGlobal article, cites an analyst with: "the agreement is vague in regard to how much will go to aircraft, and that it’s not clear whether the document calls for firm orders or not"

If she is correct, this could mean a LOI for a huge number of Boeing aircraft, which never firms.

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA
Replies: 232
Views: 28824

Re: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA

Well seems like Airbus was way ahead of their time with fly by wire and thought about engine to ground clearance since they have successfully re-engined the A320 family without any of the 737 MAX issues (nose up tendency on a stall). Not questionable, that the fly by wire system in the original A32...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330Neo - 2019 a great year
Replies: 332
Views: 45478

Re: A330Neo - 2019 a great year

Can anyone here, provide typical prices (not list prices) for A330NEO and 787?

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by JoergAtADN
Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus preparing next major aircraft development
Replies: 151
Views: 31294

Re: Airbus preparing next major aircraft development

Pretty sure hybrid is the near term goal. Airbus CEO Guillaume Faury said in November at a press event in Hamburg that: -Green flying ist the top priority for Airbus -Airbus will develop a low emission aircraft until 2035 -The road to achieve this is highly complex -He mentioned that a hybrid-elect...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: After Neo/Max - The Next Clean Sheet Need
Replies: 58
Views: 7072

Re: After Neo/Max - The Next Clean Sheet Need

Maybe the first mover will develop a single-aisle airplane with C-Series technology (Al-Li-Single-Aisle-Hull, CFRP Wings). But the second mover has to design something revolutionary to get an edge on this. I think about a concept like the D8 with Double-Bubble-CFRP-Hull: https://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 217
Views: 39307

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

It is very difficult to imagine Airbus would sacrifice the A320neo for A220-500 in AF's fleet. Airbus is sold out for many years, it has basically three choices: ⋅ Build a new A320 production line, which you can use ~15 years to earn money ⋅ Build a new A220 production line, whi...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus launching A220LR or XLR according to Jon Ostrower
Replies: 95
Views: 29370

Re: Airbus launching A220LR or XLR according to Jon Ostrower

Hello sibibom, What if the new NSA is made of composite body and not Aluminium based. Airbus may need to respond its own new fuselage, and not just new wings which is almost a certainity. Not sure when mass production of such a fuselage will be possible logistically. If Boeing finds a way to produce...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 373067

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

What does such explosive depressurization mean for the hull stability? Will the test aircraft remain the full structural strenght, or will the strenght be weakened by some percent?

What's the check and repair procedure for aircraft, where this occurs in normal operation?

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FliegerFaust: Waiting for Airbus to announce the A220-500 with a nice launch customer order
Replies: 61
Views: 16705

Re: Cost cutting is a reason to launch th A220-500!

Airbus still haven't sorted out all the cost cutting and such they want to achieve with the A225 nor the increased production capacity yet iirc? I doubt they would launch a new variant at the minimum before achieving both Significiant cost cutting is only possible by new contracts with the supplier...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower
Replies: 224
Views: 45318

Re: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower

Hello ewt340, A350-1000neo Regional wouldn't sell that well. Just like B777-300. The difference is, that the very latest engine generation would be used, in a configuration optimized for the needed MTOW. A350-1000neoLR wouldn't sell well either, because the basic A350-1000 already have massive range...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower
Replies: 224
Views: 45318

Re: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower

I could imagine that RR will develop two Ultrafan engine variants for light and heavy A350s. But that Airbus develops three A350 length variants. This would allow four useful combinations: -A350neo-900 with the small Ultrafan engine -A350neo-1000Regional with the small Ultrafan engine and the light ...

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by JoergAtADN
Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: No A380 for KLM?
Replies: 51
Views: 13100

Re: No A380 for KLM?

TTailedTiger wrote:
Oh man, you'd better not look at the Air France fleet page. They seem to love their 777's...


Air France has ordered 21 A350-900's which will replace about a third of their 777's

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus is considering A350-1000ULR
Replies: 135
Views: 34344

Re: Airbus is considering A350-1000ULR

Hello Zeke, I think the upper end of the A350 wing strength and performance is around 350 tonnes, that wing has already seen wing twist added which changed the span loading and the adaptive wing technology has the ability to change the span loading dynamically. The span loading on the A350 is differ...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has given the 3 Major Engine Manufacturers until June 27 to submit their 797 engine proposals
Replies: 313
Views: 48127

Re: Boeing has given the 3 Major Engine Manufacturers until June 27 to submit their 797 engine proposals

Hello Jagraham, Looking at what is planned for the Ultrafan (Advance core changes plus gear plus variable pitch fan plus CMCs for higher temps and lighter weight) The variable pitch fan was an idea at the beginning of the UltraFan developent, but any development in this direction is stopped since ye...

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by JoergAtADN
Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will Boeing Follow Harley's Lead?
Replies: 40
Views: 4214

Re: Will Boeing Follow Harley's Lead?

slider wrote:
Also, for our European friends, isn't the VAT tax a disincentive for American/foreign companies unto itself?


Why, it's paid for all products and services, independent of there origin.

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by JoergAtADN
Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR
Replies: 470
Views: 77561

Re: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR

A serious MidLifeUpgrade could also incorporate systems for the CSeries. Systems seems unkiley to me, because of comodity. But manufacturing processes make sense. Bombardier has a very cost efficient manufacturing process for CFRP wings, without need for expensive autoclaves. Unfortunateley the win...

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by JoergAtADN
Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR
Replies: 470
Views: 77561

Re: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR

How much weight would a fixed tank save over an ACT of the same volume?

Does anybody have data about the A321LR ACT empty weights? I found only old estimated values from Leeham (400kg+200kg for fixtures).

Are there any photos of the A321LR ACTs available?

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR
Replies: 470
Views: 77561

Re: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR

Hello 2175301, I am very sure that the MOM will be designed up front to be retrofit-able with whatever the new engines will be released in 3-5 (or longer) time frame. The basics on size and weight are known. They just have to design the MOM wings sufficient to handle the change. The MOM is likely th...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR
Replies: 470
Views: 77561

Re: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR

Boeings problems are the engines, they could kick off the MOM now with todays engine generation (GTF / Leap derivates ore similar) and they would be on the market in time for the upcoming 767 & A330 replacement cycle. Or they wait just a few years for the next engine generation (UltraFan or simi...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will Boeing build its new mid-market aircraft in Washington?
Replies: 119
Views: 10605

Re: Will Boeing build its new mid-market aircraft in Washington?

In my opinion a manufacturing site in China would make the most sense: -In the US they sell their aircraft anyway, just because they are Boeing -Japan favours Boeing also, because many Boeing componets are produced in Japan already -In Europe, there are open markets, were it's easy to sell aircrafts...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air China 747 just did a round trip to Pyongyang
Replies: 105
Views: 22674

Re: Air China 747 just did a round trip to Pyongyang

In 2007 the New York philharmonics performed in Pyongyang. They were flown in on an Asiana 747. There is actually a very interesting documentary on that. At minute 4:54 they show the 747 having landed at FNJ. The video tells you how much North Korea wants to open up to the world. Very interesting t...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air China 747 just did a round trip to Pyongyang
Replies: 105
Views: 22674

Re: Air China 747 just did a round trip to Pyongyang

Supposedly Kim wants a 744 to match Trump. That's not how you have tackle a Donald Trump. Instead Kim should rent the AN225, replace the few seats with luxury interior and install a golf teeing ground in the cargo hold. At the smit, Kim should invite Donald Trump to play a round of golf - than he w...

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by JoergAtADN
Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Major order for the SSJ
Replies: 44
Views: 12130

Re: Major order for the SSJ

I'm hoping the Russified SSJ can replace its American avionics with something a little more modern than soviet tech. I've only seen the prototype but the results are encouraging. https://assets.atlasobscura.com/article_images/21808/image.jpg This picture shows German technology: https://en.wikipedi...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philippine Airlines looking at acquiring A350-1000 aircraft
Replies: 11
Views: 6310

Re: Philippine Airlines looking at acquiring A350-1000 aircraft

They have options for 6 additional A350. Usually such options offer a better price and faster delivery than new orders. If they talk to lessors, I would expect that they order the aircraft at the low price guaranteed by their existing options and sell them to the lessor for the present market price ...

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by JoergAtADN
Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aerion, Boom, Spike, other?
Replies: 27
Views: 3493

Re: Aerion, Boom, Spike, other?

I also would like to ask you to put in order, from one to three, which project do you believe more will have a better chance to really see the light of day. Clearly Aerion! Because they have an engine. Their concept, with just Mach 1.4, allows it to use an existing engine core (from CFM56). The eng...

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 3491
Views: 440226

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

I read on here a while back that the A321NEO LR won’t have a great cruise altitude on long range stage lengths, if I recall correctly somewhere in the realm of FL 330, 320. If that is true, how much of an advantage will Boeing have simply by building a jet that can cruise at 380, 390 or 400? Or doe...

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by JoergAtADN
Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bombardier Wins C-Series Case at ITC
Replies: 359
Views: 44215

Re: Bombardier Wins C-Series Case at ITC

gatibosgru wrote:
I wonder what Embraer thinks of all this?


Now Boeing needs a clean sheet design to compete. But they have no development ressources for the MOM and a clean sheet 737-7 replacement, while Embraer has a team available. Good negotiating position for them now!

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why A-380 doesn’t sell in more densely populated countries?
Replies: 86
Views: 9575

Re: Why A-380 doesn’t sell in more densely populated countries?

The problem is, that it's a long range aircraft and the market for longe range VLAs is already satisfied. The best Airbus could do, ist to stretch the A380 without increasing the MTOW. This would be a very cheap strech, because only hull and appenage would be affected. On the other hand, it would be...

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by JoergAtADN
Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: VietJet converts 42 A320neo orders to A321neos
Replies: 44
Views: 5539

Re: VietJet converts 42 A320neo orders to A321neos

Many airlines order A320s when they need A321 aircrafts. The reason is the the following: The contracts usually contain conversion rights at a fixed price and a decision date until when they could decide for a conversion. To get production slots, the airlines have to order many years in advance. For...

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by JoergAtADN
Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.
Replies: 289
Views: 62496

Re: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.

1.) Thes CS500 as a A319+ sized plane opimized for short-haul (2500nm) 2.) Rewing the A320neo for medium-haul (5000nm) 3.) Rewing the A321neo to give it medium range (5000nm) without tanks in the cargo-hold 4.) A A322 optimized for the Boeing MOM suitspot (270seats/4500nm range) The positioning of t...

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by JoergAtADN
Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus weighs response if Boeing launches new mid-market model
Replies: 1000
Views: 211765

Re: Airbus weighs response if Boeing launches new mid-market model

Leeham suggesting that Airbus will have a lot more time to consider any response to NMA. Sources reporting that EIS has now been pushed back to 2027. I don't that this means more time to consider for Airbus, instead I think it means more development to do for Airbus. If Boeing needs 3 years more ti...

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by JoergAtADN
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boom Technology To Pick Assembly Site And Engines In 2018
Replies: 23
Views: 7175

Re: Boom Technology To Pick Assembly Site And Engines In 2018

They need a completly new type of engine - and no engine manufacturer commited to develop such an engine.

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by JoergAtADN
Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham: Airbus working on new Sharklets for A350
Replies: 124
Views: 40400

Re: Leeham: Airbus working on new Sharklets for A350

MoKa777 wrote:

I wondered ho long it would take for someone to bring up this 777 upgrade.


The Boeing design is much easier to upgrade. To achieve a steeper winglet angle on the 777X, they just need a firmware update for the folding wingtips.

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by JoergAtADN
Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is the A360, the next big Airbus-project, an A310-class-plane?
Replies: 97
Views: 48593

Re: Is the A360, the next big Airbus-project, an A310-class-plane?

So. I think with the CSeries buy, the 320/321 stretch and rewing becomes obvious no? I think Airbus has now multiple good options: Option 1) Add a CS500 as short-range companion for the A320 - very low development cost, but they need an additional production line due to limited C-Series production ...

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