Re: 737 with new wing, landing gear potential

What it really needs is a wider fuselage in addition so so many other things as you mentioned. As long as Boeing relies on the 707 specs it'll never see success over Airbus. And what 707 specs might that be, the upper fuselage width?, I guess it goes to show what a fantastic jet was built by Boeing...

Re: DL drops Cape Town from JNB-ATL schedule

G'day With the Delta A350 apparently struggling to make JNB-ATL how much of a payload hit is the UA 787 taking? Anyone out there with payload range comparisons for this trip? Thanks and Cheers Peter For a true comparison I would suggest waiting until international travel returns to normal. Right no...

Re: 737 with new wing, landing gear potential

The only way I see for a significantly longer landing gear on the 737 is to remove it from inside the wing and move it to some sort of pod C-17-style, without otherwise changing the wing, and changing the central structure as little as possible. This would be major surgery, and not cheap. The only ...

Re: Qantas 738 replacement competition

If cargo is a key deciding factor for Qantas, the 737 has some options including having more cargo capacity. They can use cargo containers https://www.ge.com/news/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg_full/public/media/201802/GECAS-TELAIR.jpg Source: https://www.ge.com/news/press-releases/gecas-introdu...

Re: Boeing turning attention to 737-10

Keesje is right - it needs to be able to take containers - they won't reuse the 737 Fuselage. What are the ten largest operators of the A320 family and which of them use containers exclusively? The 737 can take cargo containers. The only drawback is that they have to fit under the door since the 73...

Re: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max

I think Airbus in a few years will offer IAG A321NEOs for a fair price. If they prefer the 737MAX they should order those, for their long term NB requirements. BA can also take MAX -10s to replace old Airbus aircraft. They only have to switch back to bulk loading. On the flip side, that will create...

Re: KLM considers A321 order

As I said KLM used A310s, 767s and later even A330 for short haul rotations early in the morning, for high demand slots. Later in the morning they were were part of the west bound long haul wave. https://youtu.be/rfOeFK8gRlc KLM 737-900 are seatcount restricted (specified with 5 abreast business, c...

Re: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?

Containers can be adapted to airplanes. It isn’t a deciding factor any more. The 737 is now offered with cargo containers https://www.mro-network.com/sites/mro-network.com/files/styles/article_featured_standard/public/gecas-telair-737.jpg?itok=zTbsZboh https://www.mro-network.com/maintenance-repair-...

Re: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch

phdaust wrote:

What about inflation? 20 billion in 2014 does not equal 20 billion in 2019 ( 20 billion × 2% = 400 million a year) ....

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

Who cares about the Airbus crowd? Airlines care about numbers and smaller seats mean better numbers. I would not expect more than 16.5-17.3" for the 797. Airbus marketing material is always advertising wider cabins. I don't think Boeing wants to always be on the negative side of that material....

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

AA has 340 A321s in service / on order. I wonder where they are going to use the 50 XLR's. If Boeing waits until they have confirmation UA, DL ordered/ converted XLR's and SW passes on the MAX-7, they have waited too long, again. I would expect the A321xlrs to show up on Hawaii routes. I think Amer...

Re: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max

The great container debate has already been solved. Telair designed a lower lobe cargo container system when the 737-800BCF was launched a few years ago https://www.genewsroom.com/press-releases/gecas-introduce-telair%E2%80%99s-new-flexible-loading-system-boeing-737-800-converted https://www.genewsr...

Re: Reuters : Airbus to counter the "NMA"by the existing 330neo and the A21N

Nobody does, until the Boeing board signed of on launching the program. Most seems to agree it will be much lighter than a A330-800/788 and much heavier than a A321LR/737-10. Most seem to agree there is a significant market segment where A300, 767-200, A310, 757 used to operate. We didn't see NMA l...

Re: Reuters : Airbus to counter the "NMA"by the existing 330neo and the A21N

We didn't see NMA launch 2 years ago, after they studied / discussed the business case for 4 years. So it might be Boeing changed it's mind or can't close the business case. Or maybe it hasn’t been launched because Boeing wants more firm numbers on production price and delivery date? I think you ke...

Re: Boeing NMA planning - Will Airbus just sitting on their hands?

I've been watching the 321++/322/NMA/797/360/370 discussions here for years. My sense is that the aging out of 767 fleets, the growing ranges of modern widebodies, and the airlines' interest in more point-to-point flying are combining to create and enlarge a potential "middle" market. The...

Re: Boeing NMA planning - Will Airbus just sitting on their hands?

At some point, indeed a dual aisle becomes a better idea. Question is when that is the case. Can you stretch up NB efficiency a bit, for the medium requirements? In the 2-3-2 Boeing oval cross sections that I have seen, they showed the industry standard 45 inch high LD3 based AKH containers. If a f...

Re: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share

Leeham did a series of reports last year on the XLR. By their account the new integral belly tank would use a void behind the gear bay plus the space occupied by two ACTs in the aft hold plus space freed up by removal of cargo handling system. Add it all up and you get a tank holding the equivalent...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

I'm not convinced of 2-3-2. It just adds a lot of weight. Prove it will weigh more or less is impossible, as long as there is no design. But writing is on the wall & even Boeing doesn't deny (NMA OEW 70t). The original 767, A310 and 757 were developed in the same time frame, using the same mate...

Re: Colombia's Avianca cancels 17 Airbus plane orders, delays 35 deliveries

Is this the second A320neo order cancelled this year after the Air Serbia cancellation? I Wonder how liberal the cancellation terms are. The avianca order was a huge expansion which required quite a bit of optimism.

Re: 787 style windows

' That you can bet on. you have to remove the sidewall panel which cannot be done during a regular turn s it has to wait for an overnight visit. I've personally never seen the B787 up close as I'm retired but I did see the specs and the window before I retired as it was a good discussion about the ...

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

They didn’t know if building planes that way would work. Since then I think they have decided what parts of the 787 process to keep, what to bring internal (wings clearly on that list) and how they want to apply it. It's funny when you step back and take in the big picture after reading various par...

Re: Delta Wants to be NMA Launch Customer

There is an article out today with quotes from Ed Bastian about how Delta wants to be the launch customer for the NMA Delta Air Lines CEO hopes Boeing decides to launch its New Mid-market Airplane soon because his airline must replace almost 200 older Boeing 767 and 757 jets slated to retire in the...

Re: Reuters: Rolls Royce withdraws bid for Boeing NMA project

cooling" : gearbox or turbine ? Gear cooling. It's a hard problem. Our thread https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1372987 starts with a quote from one of the developers of the RR gear: “I can’t tell you exactly the levels of efficiency we achieved in this gearbox but if you...

Delta Wants to be NMA Launch Customer

There is an article out today with quotes from Ed Bastian about how Delta wants to be the launch customer for the NMA Delta Air Lines CEO hopes Boeing decides to launch its New Mid-market Airplane soon because his airline must replace almost 200 older Boeing 767 and 757 jets slated to retire in the ...

Re: Delta B739 vs A321

The difference is that the 739 rolls 3,000 feet further down the runway on takeoff, climbs very slowly to FL310, and then is unable to top any weather...... :rotfl: While The 737-900ER would be cruising at FL310, the A321 would be needing a fuel stop (unless Delta put in some aux tanks causing it t...

Re: Does A330neo really suit Emirates?

It is easy to forget how many short haul flights Emirates has. A quick snapshot of FlightAware shows the following 777-300ER arrivals at DXB this afternoon Larnaca Baghdad Basra Karachi Amman Moscow Cairo Beirut Dacca Sialkot Delhi Chennai Male Seychelles Bahrain Muscat Cochin Hyderabad Dammam This ...

Re: Delta B739 vs A321

Gonna miss the 757 this summer, not sure why DL can't make 2x LAX-KOA work for the upcoming summer schedule yet we down grade with plane and capacity but SEA keeps the 757 wow :evil: Whats really the difference (as a pax) between a 757 and a 737-800/900? Its a 3x3 cramped awful ride in the back (an...

Re: Is AA's PHL-LHR the worst performing LHR route?

There isn’t any year round low cost competition from PHL to London or Even Europe. Without competition from Virgin Atlantic, Delta, United or Norwegian, yields shouldn’t be too bad.

Re: Icelandair negotiating with Boeing and Airbus for a 757 replacement

The A338 is a bit of a red herring, no? IMHO widebodies in general are too big for 300K island, even though it’s a trendy destination lately. A321Neo LR is as close to 757, as it gets. And on nearly all pf their routes, it will suffice. They need more capacity on some routes - they may as well add ...

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

I think we can not assume that new technology on a new WB aircraft would off set the cost of a extra aisle. Sooner than later that same technology shows up at single aisles designs too, adding that efficiency on those. And the other way around, e.g. GTF's on WB's. The cost of the extra aisle is mos...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

All talk about Boeing launching an 1:1 replacement for the 737 this summer, is absurd. The 737 will be in production for at least another 15 to 20 years. (!) That doesn't mean that Boeing shouldn't launch a new, clean-sheet narrowbody family now. Here is why... The 737 family is a very profitable p...

Re: Why doesn't UA fly SNA-IAD nonstop?

United has 20 slots at SNA. They have 6 to SFO, 4 to DEN and IAH and 3 to ORD and EWR. UA could repurpose one of those slots for SNA-IAD, but I am guessing demand is higher for the other destinations.

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

737 replacement is more urgent than realised. MAX8 sales are being made, but true margins (after retrospective credits), have been crucified , partly underwritten by suppliers, who have taken margin cuts. Do you have any data to back up your assertion? What is the definition of true margins since I...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

The MAX8 is successfully holding its own with the A320neo. The MAX9 and MAX10 are being swamped by the A321neo. Without going into the weeds about whether or not the MAX8 has outsold the A320neo 737 replacement is more urgent than realised. MAX8 sales are being made, but true margins (after retrosp...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

The risks of doing proper clean slate aircraft and understanding airlines requirements over a longer period of time, is that your customers and competitors move ahead anyway. The Reuters message yesterday that Airbus is lining up launching customers for the A321XLR could change assumptions and star...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

keesje wrote:

The MAX is seemingly sold out until 2025, after that the outlook is grey at best.]

Re: Delta B739 vs A321

The longest routes we fly the 321 on are ATL-California and JFK-SLC. The 739 has more range and does full on transcons where the 321ceo cannot. However we have 100 firm plus 100 options on the P&W GTF powered 321 neo. Stay tuned!!! I think I read that Delta didn’t put aux fuel tanks in the A321...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

To respond to the title and original post. I do not think that Boeing has to be actively planning the 737 replacement at this time - except for prototype concept ideas; which I am sure they are doing. It is my estimation that Boeing has targeted about 2030 (give or take 2 years) as the EIS of the 7...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Don't be surprised if the NMA is going to be a 767/757 like project... Boeing released the 767 and the followed up a year or two later with the 757. This is my guess, as I am sure Boeing has peripheral vision and looking at all programs at all times. They don't just focus on one program. They have ...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Agreed about DL and LH about being big on maintenance contracts. But neither are a likey candidates for the NMA. Both have the A321 already. The CEO of Delta has publicly expressed interest in the NMA: "We've had discussions with Boeing about being a potential launch customer," says Ed Ba...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

[ Looking at the 737 orderbook I think Boeing has 4650 737MAX in the backlog. At least 4200 of which are 737-8. The rest is 737-7, 737-9 and 737-10. Please provide a source for the statement that at least 4200 of the 4650 737MAX in the backlog are for 737-8s. Boeing publishes the following on their...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Is all this fuss because the mid-haul market is about to have an efficiency champion? The A321 has too little wing and flies with low payload at range. The 788 or A339 are too heavy on 4,000 nm missions unless the cargo hold is loaded up. Lightsaber My suggestion is that there is a larger, more urg...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

.. I'm under the impression, the NMA might be quietly shrinking on the drawingboards. :arrow: Airlines are not stumbling over each other commiting to a 7 abreast 5000 Nm WB at NB cost levels . You can’t officially commit to an airplane that isn’t launched, but a whole lot of airlines have expressed...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Anything can happen. NMA out - NSA in. But when you have to dig through hyperbole and innuendo over and over and over: I'm under the impression, the NMA might be quietly shrinking on the drawingboards. :arrow: Airlines are not stumbling over each other commiting to a 7 abreast 5000 Nm WB at NB cost...

Re: American Airlines Sets Retirement Date for MD-80s

is there is a map of current s80 destinations? Not sure if there is a map, but quite a few cities from Dallas. Memphis Columbus Jacksonville San Antonio Cleveland Tulsa Kansas City Louisville Omaha Nashville New Orleans Austin St Louis Milwaukee Raleigh Wichita Charleston Cincinnati Indianapolis Ok...

Re: Boeing Lineup Circa 2025 - Where do they go Next

That's said, I think the pressure on Boeing to offer a 150-200 seater with big efficient geared engines & container cargo as an option won't decrease, so better don't think about it, too deliberately. :arrow: The train ain't waiting. The MAX backlog might be less solid & ensuring than you f...

Re: Boeing Lineup Circa 2025 - Where do they go Next

Finally development cost and time. This is especially important if Airbus re-wings the A320 for intro in 5-6 years. If Boeing choose to do an 8W NMA they probably wouldn't have the Engineering resources to do another clean sheet Single Aisle before the early 2030's to respond. By basing the NMA and...

Re: Boeing Lineup Circa 2025 - Where do they go Next

Finally development cost and time. This is especially important if Airbus re-wings the A320 for intro in 5-6 years. If Boeing choose to do an 8W NMA they probably wouldn't have the Engineering resources to do another clean sheet Single Aisle before the early 2030's to respond. By basing the NMA and...

Re: 787 style windows

It was just a gimmick used by Boeing. I doubt we will see it in anything new again as it’s not really very popular and adds to the cost of maintenance. Plus it’s a real pain in he proverbial when the system fails and passengers are unable to control them on night to day flights. I don’t think you a...

Re: Airbus Lineup Circa 2025 - Where do they go next

A320.5(NEO) A321NEO/LR A321XLR A322 There’s lots of talk on this forum of these possibilities. I’m kind of surprised these images haven’t been posted yet https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBdzTCIXsAA2Vij.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bcgICdFifv0/WVutthMVAPI/AAAAAAAABLg/mNZW4I7VU78eVVXsfOp0ahqwPa...