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by xjetflyer2001
Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 243
Views: 37251

Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Since BA have announced the immediate retirement of their entire 747 fleet, and BA have historically served DEN with the 747, with what type will BA serve DEN going forward? Could it be the 777, 787, or A350? All my BA flights (DEN and otherwise) have been on the 747 (I haven't flown on any other t...

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by xjetflyer2001
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet
Replies: 284
Views: 75353

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

BA have served DEN for years with the 747, and I have flown BA DEN-LHR often, with the 747. With what type will BA serve DEN from now on? According to Airline Route announcement On Jun 27th BA will go to a 777-200 on the LHR-DEN route Any idea when the DEN-LHR service will resume, or is that still ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet
Replies: 284
Views: 75353

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

SmithAir747 wrote:
BA have served DEN for years with the 747, and I have flown BA DEN-LHR often, with the 747. With what type will BA serve DEN from now on?


According to Airline Route announcement On Jun 27th BA will go to a 777-200 on the LHR-DEN route

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by xjetflyer2001
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99310

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

In the Covid-19 Reference thread, it was posted that Thailand is no longer allowing inbound passenger flights and only cargo flights now allowed, but the article stated that the ban began on Saturday Morning and was lasting until Monday Night? so only 3 days? that seems odd, I'm guessing there will ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: Trans States Shutting Down & ExpressJet losing the 175s
Replies: 83
Views: 19410

Re: Confirmed: Trans States Shutting Down & ExpressJet losing the 175s

UA4695 SGF-DEN was the final revenue arrival of Trans States aircraft, arrived at B84 and was given a water canon salute before being turned around and sent to CLE as a ferry flight. I talked to the Captain on that flight after he arrived and emailed him some photos that I took of his final arrival ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 News and Reference Thread
Replies: 457
Views: 217645

Re: COVID-19 News and Reference Thread

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-25mar20/
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Appears Thai Airways will have some major cuts in service for April, May, and June
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-25mar20/

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by xjetflyer2001
Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020
Replies: 327
Views: 69638

Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread - 2020

How many One World Painted 747's does BA have? If I counted correctly looks like 5 of them are being retired this year.

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by xjetflyer2001
Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:08 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: TG's B747-400s/A380 routes
Replies: 6
Views: 1867

Re: TG's B747-400s/A380 routes

Thai77w wrote:
A380s currently fly to FRA, LHR and NRT. Seasonally to other ports in Japan.

747s fly to SYD, HND, DEL, DPS, and CTS, ocassionalt to other Asia ports.


Add HKT to that list for the 747

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by xjetflyer2001
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:06 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Not allowed to film or take photos in flight
Replies: 135
Views: 19794

Re: Not allowed to film or take photos in flight

Only time I ever got yelled at was when I was taking a picture of an empty 747 cabin (during boarding) and the flight attendant was standing there (I didn't really see her) and she told me it is company policy (UA) to not take pictures of employees. I've always wondered about Chui and his "luc...

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by xjetflyer2001
Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 243
Views: 37251

Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

Frontier 14[/quote] (I think Kim Day hinted building out the rest of A & C was coming in the article regarding UA's lease. I'd build out another 10 gates onto C west and move F9 there. Then Concourse C would be 55 gates with 12 going to F9, 3 going to NK and 40 going to WN. AS should move to A t...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Would you rather fly 747 or 777
Replies: 39
Views: 2135

Re: Would you rather fly 747 or 777

The 747 for sure. Probably the smoothest ride out there although I hear the A380 is just as good or better. I haven't had a chance to ride on the A380. The 777 is to me one of the worst planes out there for passenger comfort due to its loud cabin. In that regard a quad will always be nicer than a t...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:23 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Would you rather fly 747 or 777
Replies: 39
Views: 2135

Re: Would you rather fly 747 or 777

747 any day of the week, in my opinion its a far more comfortable ride than the 777

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by xjetflyer2001
Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DEN- How much can it grow?
Replies: 120
Views: 13931

Re: DEN- How much can it grow?

I wonder if a possible solution to the train issue could be to put above ground trains between the concourses that would be high enough for any aircraft to pass under, say 100ft high? That could be a cheaper alternative than building new underground tunnels, have the beams go through the existing co...

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by xjetflyer2001
Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thai Airways Fleet Discussion and News Thread
Replies: 94
Views: 6958

Re: Thai Airways Fleet Discussion and News Thread

Granted not Thai Airways, but my worst ever flight was on a Virgin Atlantic A340-600 LHR-HKG, the economy section had the seats right up in your face, the only saving grace was the aircraft was half full and I had a full row to myself. I for one hope Thai keeps them parked. I don't see what the abo...

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by xjetflyer2001
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thai Airways Fleet Discussion and News Thread
Replies: 94
Views: 6958

Re: Thai Airways Fleet Discussion and News Thread

Granted not Thai Airways, but my worst ever flight was on a Virgin Atlantic A340-600 LHR-HKG, the economy section had the seats right up in your face, the only saving grace was the aircraft was half full and I had a full row to myself.

I for one hope Thai keeps them parked.

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by xjetflyer2001
Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ending contract with GoJet, Compass
Replies: 174
Views: 40205

Re: Somewhat confirmed: Delta ending contract with GoJet, Compass

To be clear RE: the ASE flying it cannot be switched to a 175/900 currently due to local regulations, it is more than just an airport performance issue. Pitkin County has put specific regulations in place with a list of acceptable aircraft for operation from ASE. Until that changes the CR7 will sta...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 10/13/2019:AS Exits SJC-TUS;AA Jan Cuts;F9 Extension
Replies: 75
Views: 16065

Re: OAG Changes 10/13/2019:AS Exits SJC-TUS;AA Jan Cuts;F9 Extension

UA DEN-HNL JUN 1.0>1.9[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] Nice to see DEN-HNL twice daily. Is this a first? I believe it is, this past summer was the first year of two 777s (HNL and OGG). They are still both showing in the schedule in addition to a new 757 on the HNL route earlier in the morning. I believe this i...

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by xjetflyer2001
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

Just wanted to confirm what a previous poster said - in the late 80’s, early 90’s, Swissair flew between Brazzaville and Kinshasa, too. It was a triangular routing from/to Zurich. Probably a DC-10 or MD-11. No matter the reasoning I still find it pretty wild, it would be pretty cool to watch it tak...

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by xjetflyer2001
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

Before discontinuing the route a few years ago KL flew their A332 to ADD via KRT. At first it was a triangular route AMS-KRT-ADD-AMS. Then it became AMS-KRT-ADD and back the same way it came. I must say as a passenger, the triangular route felt easier. The stop in KRT at Midnight on the return to E...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

A friend FA at AF told me they never stay in Kinshasa for safety reasons. They unload and fly across the river to Brazzaville. So they are making the flight to Brazzaville already from Kinshasa and then flying back to Kinshasa for the return to Paris? That alone would make sense to me as to why the...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

I was in a Brazzaville restaurant, Mama Wate’s, and there was an AF crew there on layover. Better and safer than Kin at the time. I doubt Kin is any safer now. You are absolutely right - thanks. And I wanted to mention this earlier on also. But I fail(ed) to remember if the FIH-CDG flight is curren...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

These triangle routes are very common in Africa. Lots of airlines do it and the main reason is that each of the markets by themselves is not large enough to fill a plane from Europe so airlines combine 2 destinations for the same plane. SN and AF have been doing it for decades. EK also does triangl...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

While not 60 miles, these triangle routes in Africa are very common for European airlines, considering, like poeple said, one city may not be enough to justify the use of a widebody which could make more money elsewhere, but combine two of those cities and you get what you were seeking. Also since ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

Since I have been painfully enlightened that these triangle routes are still fairly common, what are some other routes, say less than 50 to 60 miles on wide body aircraft, that are flown in this manner?

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

Wow! I was just curious, lots of hostility in some of these reply’s, and sure triangle routes were the norm back in the day, that’s also when airliners didn’t hold the capacity or have the range they have today, also, sure the conditions between the two cities on a ferry may not be ideal to someone ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

Well I just thought it odd, but, I’m no aviation route planner/financial advisor, so I just wonder why they don’t consolidate the flight into one and have people cross the border between two neighboring cities the old fashioned way, by land/ferry boat, I didn’t know BA flew Bahrain to Dammam

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

How do you figure? There are people that want to go from Paris to Kenshasa and Paris to Brazzaville, but perhaps not enough to fill up each separately. This way they get two markets with just one aircraft. It would be a much larger waste of fuel to fly an A332 from Paris to each separately, half-fu...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris
Replies: 100
Views: 14580

Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

I saw a small mention of this on an old thread that is now locked, so apparently this routing has been done before, but on airline routes it was just posted that in 2020 Air France will start a triangle route of Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris, I just can’t hardly believe it’s true, is Air...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: October 7, 2019: KLM is 100 years old!
Replies: 44
Views: 7211

Re: October 7, 2019: KLM is 100 years old!

Wow! That was an amazing description of KLM's history, I would love to know more about the history of other airlines that in depth

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by xjetflyer2001
Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 247
Views: 40400

Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Flying United nonstop from Denver to any of the Hawaiian Islands they serve is almost always more expensive then taking a connecting flight through LAX or SFO. Yes, they charge a premium for the convenience of taking a nonstop flight. This is nothing new and goes for the NRT, LHR and FRA flights as...

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by xjetflyer2001
Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:45 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Anyone seen new UAL Livery In Person
Replies: 25
Views: 3706

Re: Anyone seen new UAL Livery In Person

I personally like it and have seen it on many occasions, I think it stands out more than the old livery.

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by xjetflyer2001
Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Gulf Shores, AL Planning New Terminal
Replies: 34
Views: 5048

Re: Gulf Shores, AL Planning New Terminal

Honestly, I think the money would be better spent on a more direct rail line from Mobile to Gulf Shores connected to Pensacola. The old Sunset Limited route used to take a whopping 4 hours to go from Mobile to Pensacola because the rail lines take a sparsely populated detour out to Atmore, AL. Work...

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by xjetflyer2001
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thai govt ask for airlines to utilize more widebodies at Bangkok DMK
Replies: 42
Views: 9767

Re: Thai govt ask for airlines to utilize more widebodies at Bangkok DMK

DMK is such an awful facility. The oldest operating airport in Asia and it shows; immigration queues that make Suvarnabhumi's look tame. To say nothing of how bad the traffic is from there to anywhere in Bangkok south of Sukhumvit Road—there are traffic jams inside the drop off/pick up area! First ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thai govt ask for airlines to utilize more widebodies at Bangkok DMK
Replies: 42
Views: 9767

Re: Thai govt ask for airlines to utilize more widebodies at Bangkok DMK

I'm sure there are a hundred reasons why it wouldn't work, but what about keeping Thai at BKK, but move all other International flights to DMK and move all domestic flights to BKK. I mean most international airlines use larger aircraft anyway. Also could DMK not build another terminal or two where ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thai govt ask for airlines to utilize more widebodies at Bangkok DMK
Replies: 42
Views: 9767

Re: Thai govt ask for airlines to utilize more widebodies at Bangkok DMK

I'm sure there are a hundred reasons why it wouldn't work, but what about keeping Thai at BKK, but move all other International flights to DMK and move all domestic flights to BKK. I mean most international airlines use larger aircraft anyway. Also could DMK not build another terminal or two where t...

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by xjetflyer2001
Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Growth in Denver
Replies: 54
Views: 9224

Re: United Growth in Denver

Both Frontier and Southwest are also projecting adding flights in/out of DEN. Southwest has indicated they may want all of the new gates (16) that are being built on the C concourse. F9 has expressed interest in adding 3-5 additional gates on A concourse. United has committed to the new gates for t...

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by xjetflyer2001
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Growth in Denver
Replies: 54
Views: 9224

Re: United Growth in Denver

Both Frontier and Southwest are also projecting adding flights in/out of DEN. Southwest has indicated they may want all of the new gates (16) that are being built on the C concourse. F9 has expressed interest in adding 3-5 additional gates on A concourse. United has committed to the new gates for t...

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by xjetflyer2001
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Growth in Denver
Replies: 54
Views: 9224

Re: United Growth in Denver

Didn't realize UA was on C now...would assume that is temporary while they work on expanding B concourse. I believe its "supposed to be" temporary, but I honestly believe now that UA has that gate, they won't be giving it up easily Well, both WN and NK are also using the gate, so it’s not...

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by xjetflyer2001
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Growth in Denver
Replies: 54
Views: 9224

Re: United Growth in Denver

Depends on the transcon.....SEA-DEN-BOS is shorter than SEA-IAH-BOS by almost 700 miles. DEN is also a bit easier for UA connections because, for the most part, UA is all on one concourse vs IAH where UA is much more spread out. Actually United is now on all 3 concourses at DEN, only 1 gate on C, C...

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by xjetflyer2001
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Growth in Denver
Replies: 54
Views: 9224

Re: United Growth in Denver

Great to see Denver grow like this but Houston seems to be consistently neglected IAH and EWR were the two Cal strongholds and both are highly valuable to the new United Is Houston ever going to get any love ?! Agreed, IAH is located in a much denser location with a more centralized location. I per...

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by xjetflyer2001
Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX overtakes DXB as world's 3rd busiest airport by H1 2019 pax traffic
Replies: 45
Views: 10686

Re: LAX overtakes DXB as world's 3rd busiest airport by H1 2019 pax traffic

Can anyone translate the list from the link in the original post? Just translated the top 30. Got bored after that lol Hope this helps 1. Atlanta 2. Beijing Capital 3. Los Angeles 4. Dubai 5. Tokyo Narita 6. Chicago O’Hare 7. London Heathrow 8. Shanghai Pudong 9. Hong Kong 10. Paris Charles de Gaul...

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by xjetflyer2001
Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:04 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What will Lufthansa replace their 747-400 with at KDEN?
Replies: 4
Views: 2526

Re: What will Lufthansa replace their 747-400 with at KDEN?

I’m guessing the 777X will take its place. There are no plans to make DEN A380 compatible and the 748 seats fewer passengers than the 744 with DEN being a consistently solid market for LH. I'm not sure if this is the only reason Denver is not A380 capable or not, but an AF 380 did divert here a few...

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by xjetflyer2001
Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:44 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What will Lufthansa replace their 747-400 with at KDEN?
Replies: 4
Views: 2526

What will Lufthansa replace their 747-400 with at KDEN?

When Lufthansa finally swaps aircraft on their DEN FRA route, does anyone have a good guess as to what aircraft the 744 will be replaced with? A380, 748, or something else?

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by xjetflyer2001
Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport Pocket Guides from the 1980s/90s
Replies: 14
Views: 2231

Re: Airport Pocket Guides from the 1980s/90s

Hello all... I am reaching out to the a.net community to ask for some help. Moderators, if this is the wrong forum, please move to wherever you feel appropriate. I am trying to come across an old publication titled "Airport Pocket Guide" that was published by A.M. Data Services in the 198...

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by xjetflyer2001
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Maui OGG closed due ongoing brush fires
Replies: 11
Views: 2624

Re: Maui OGG closed due ongoing brush fires

As usual, Delta fared better than others getting its flights out last night. All four delayed a few hours while United canceled four and delayed a fifth 12.5 hours. I just checked UA1430 OGGDEN and it was only delayed 2.5 hours, so not all were canceled or delayed 12.5 hours, but it did divert to S...

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by xjetflyer2001
Wed May 01, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Gulf Coast Thread (MOB, BFM, GPT, PNS, VPS, ECP) - 2019
Replies: 75
Views: 7998

Re: Gulf Coast Thread (MOB, BFM, GPT, PNS, VPS, ECP) - 2019

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjj1OH5zfrhAhUHRK0KHdyKCqEQwqsBMAZ6BAgKEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fox10tv.com%2Finside-the-new-mobile-downtown-airport%2Fvideo_6509c6fe-767b-5062-8215-69e215fc5a67.html&usg...

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by xjetflyer2001
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant to build new terminal at VPS
Replies: 34
Views: 4780

Re: Allegiant to build new terminal at VPS

VPS has absolutely beautiful beaches about 20 minutes from the field (some of the best in the world). I think that with Allegiant running a sizeable operation out of the airport, Destin will go from a regional tourist hub to a national one. Best in the world? Yikes. They are some nice beaches, but ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
Replies: 48
Views: 10286

Re: UA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Great work, as always. To recap, since 2018, for each hub: ORD: Fewer flights, larger gauge: 50-seaters roughly flat, fewer 70/76 seaters, more large NB (738/739), more widebodies IAH: More flights, slightly smaller gauge: fewer NB mainline, more 50 seaters, more 70/76 seaters, more widebodies DEN:...

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by xjetflyer2001
Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United announces Star Wars Logo Jet
Replies: 61
Views: 12173

Re: United announces Star Wars Logo Jet

This looks amazing! Props to United for knocking this out of the park! With AS repainting the Cars Disneyland jet soon but a new scheme hinted at replacing it, I thought they might be doing a Starwars plane. They did the Cars livery to celebrate the opening of Radiator Springs so I figured the new ...

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by xjetflyer2001
Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1797
Views: 381640

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

Varney or BAT would look terrible quite frankly. Back in those days, it was just some lettering and that’s it. It’s not like we don’t have any CO retros already. We have a 738 in retro CO. But, it would be cool to see both. However, none of this half and half stuff on a plane. That just looks chees...

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