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by phatfarmlines
Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DOJ sues to block AA - B6 Northeast partnership
Replies: 829
Views: 124757

Re: Updated: DOJ sues to block AA - B6 Northeast partnership

You can forget any more hypothetical mergers that everybody constantly talks about … at least under this DOJ (and likely under most admins) I disagree. Air carriers can argue that the networks have shrunken driven by COVID-19. That was the whole premise of the DOJ - airlines are too big! And we've ...

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by phatfarmlines
Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:11 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Migrant Crisis at the Texas Border
Replies: 45
Views: 1413

Re: Migrant Crisis at the Texas Border

The US is most desirable because they will be able to get a job and send money home, and most importantly they won't be deported since right now, the administration doesn't want to enforce the laws. Am I missing something? Are there not Border Patrol cowboys whipping the migrants at the border and ...

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by phatfarmlines
Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CM adding PTY-ATL
Replies: 16
Views: 2181

Re: CM adding PTY-ATL

CM will be competing for ATL O&D which, while meaningful, is nothing like MIA or NYC to Copa's markets. They be competing with 1-stops against DL non-stops to many markets. They'll get zero traction with Atlanta corporate accounts. They'll need some luck. :checkmark: Assuming post-COVID demand,...

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by phatfarmlines
Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:04 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which airliner has the smoothest take off?
Replies: 13
Views: 693

Re: Which airliner has the smoothest take off?

My smoothest take off I probably had in an A380. It didn't even feel like we were rotating that much, it was more like the plane just started levitating and only afterwards I felt a stronger nose up pitch. :checkmark: And I'll add the A330 and A340. You just don't feel the gravitational forces pres...

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by phatfarmlines
Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2 SY 738's damaged in storm at MSP
Replies: 28
Views: 7029

Re: 2 SY 738's damaged in storm at MSP

joeblow10 wrote:
Do they not chalk RONs??? Or in high winds???


And yet no other damaged aircraft. So I imagine stairs boarding at these two gates for the moment?

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airline Catering Company SkyChef lays off hundreds
Replies: 27
Views: 6485

Re: Airline Catering Company SkyChef lays off hundreds

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os- ... y,amp.html

Source: Orlando Sentinel
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Ziyulu wrote:
Back then in the early 2000s when US carriers got rid of meals domestically, did a lot of folks lose their jobs?


Yes they did, and they didn't waste time after 9/11.

Article from 2001: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os- ... y,amp.html

Source: Orlando Sentinel

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:36 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Brian Laundrie is missing
Replies: 106
Views: 4081

Re: Brian Laundrie is missing

Aesma wrote:
Any reason this story is making the news (I had stumbled on it already) ? Good looking blonde girl involved maybe ?


Social media influencers (YouTube I believe) documenting their cross-country road journey.

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 200
Views: 29299

Re: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021

Thanks for providing these stats jplatts. Here are the number of passengers, number of seats, and load factors for WN flights out of TPA in June 2021: ATL-TPA - 30203 passengers, 35314 seats, 85.53% load factor BNA-TPA - 21666 passengers, 23692 seats, 91.45% load factor BNA has a bit of ways to go, ...

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA invest $200mil in GOL, expand partnership
Replies: 43
Views: 7283

Re: AA invest $200mil in GOL, expand partnership

Despite poor optics/timing vis-a-vis recent US aid to airlines, I see great business wisdom behind this. Is it really though? Is this the right time to play strategic "long games" in alliances, especially since US-Brazil isn't going to go gangbusters anytime soon? Should that money be sav...

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:28 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: VP Harris to California to campaign for Gavin Newsom
Replies: 164
Views: 6786

Re: VP Harris to California to campaign for Gavin Newsom

Hopefully Governor Newsom has been humbled by this [rather expensive] process.

All things considered, I would say 2022 is for his to lose.

But where does this put California Republicans?

Does the GOP try to convince Governor Abbott to help them move to Texas?

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:08 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: LGA: Expressway Visual vs Park Visual to Rwy 31
Replies: 4
Views: 826

LGA: Expressway Visual vs Park Visual to Rwy 31

I saw that a new charted approach was created called the Park Visual, which mimics the path of the current and long-used Expressway Visual to Runway 31 at LGA, and I imagine this new procedure is named since it overflies Prospect Park in Brooklyn. Since the Park Visual is RNAV-based, is the intent t...

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by phatfarmlines
Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:05 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Thinks he is 007
Replies: 8
Views: 1086

Re: Thinks he is 007

bennett123 wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-58479017

Having seen James Bond in Octopussy, he decided to try it for himself.


This person was not even driving on the rails. I bet that messed up the underside real good.

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by phatfarmlines
Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport architecture question: the rise and fall of the rotunda
Replies: 72
Views: 13931

Re: Airport architecture question: the rise and fall of the rotunda

Today large rotundas still seem to do pretty well at MCO and TPA. Where is there a rotunda at TPA? Having flown here numerous times I don't recall one ever. The airsides at both MCO and TPA are not rotundas. The rotunda makes it easy to access a series of connecting gates in a confined space. That ...

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:51 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Texas abortion law
Replies: 330
Views: 14638

Re: Texas abortion law

Guess what? Governor Abbott is going to eliminate rape!

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott defends abortion law, says state will 'eliminate rape'

Source: USA Today

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando Sanford International Airport?
Replies: 57
Views: 9698

Re: Orlando Sanford International Airport?

SFB in its prime handled pretty much all of the UK-Orlando traffic apart from BA and VS who operated in to MCO. The 2000s were indeed a golden era for SFB. Anyone have data showing when these flights started to unravel? I imagine SFB is okay losing these flights if it means G4 picks up the slack (w...

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by phatfarmlines
Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlanta Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 90
Views: 10332

Re: Atlanta Aviation Thread - 2021

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-airpor ... T4MWGUXRY/
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The Sheraton hotel that sat on the land to be used for the sixth runway was demolished today (Sunday, 9/5/21):

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-airpor ... T4MWGUXRY/

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by phatfarmlines
Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:46 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: VP Harris to California to campaign for Gavin Newsom
Replies: 164
Views: 6786

Re: VP Harris to California to campaign for Gavin Newsom

Might help to have a view of current projections, which seem to indicate Newsom will be able to stay in office: Latest Polls Of The California Recall Election Source: FiveThirtyEight So, we'll see if the "Harris" effect is enough to keep Newsom in office... I find it hard to believe that a...

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by phatfarmlines
Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:35 pm
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: “Wings to Cuba and the Caribbean” 1948 Pan Am Kodachrome Travelogue
Replies: 1
Views: 286

Re: “Wings to Cuba and the Caribbean” 1948 Pan Am Kodachrome Travelogue

This was posted to YouTube Sept. 3rd, 2021 This Kodachrome color sponsored film produced by Irving Harley Productions for Pan American World Airways’ “Wings to…” series employs the animated cartoon character of “Clip, the spirit of travel” to tout Pan Am’s convenient travel options. Puerto Rico, Tr...

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:51 pm
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: Any recommended Air Crash investigation shows to watch??
Replies: 7
Views: 617

Re: Any recommended Air Crash investigation shows to watch??

Seconds from Disaster is another investigative show. That show covers disasters in all situations and industries and is not relegated to just plane crashes. They really did a good job with the UA 232 and AA 191 episodes, better IMO than the Mayday/Air Crash Investigation versions.

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport architecture question: the rise and fall of the rotunda
Replies: 72
Views: 13931

Re: Airport architecture question: the rise and fall of the rotunda

Ill go on a limb… The rotunda will make a comeback. It is very efficient and it is architecturally pleasing. It just needs to be large enough to seat people for modern air travel. You say that, and then you say: Not a tight airports they’re not. You see this now with a lot of hammerheads which is a...

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by phatfarmlines
Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:57 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Texas abortion law
Replies: 330
Views: 14638

Re: Texas abortion law

Something tells me that after removing CRT from public school curriculum, technology and computer programming courses in Texas may be next:

TikTokers flood Texas abortion whistleblower site with Shrek memes, fake reports and porn

Source: The Guardian

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:54 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Texas abortion law
Replies: 330
Views: 14638

Re: Taxes abortion law

That isn't necessarily true.... Lets say a woman, living in Texas, decides to go to Colorado and get an abortion and recovers from the procedure and returns to Texas. Once the woman returns to Texas, if anyone found out that she went to Colorado for the procedure, she can still get sued regardless....

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant
Replies: 136
Views: 18156

Re: "We Don't Go With Federal Law" Says Flight Attendant

Was this rule driven by the infamous guitar breaking by UA over a decade ago, which happened to be checked in?

(Not that a guitar would be able to fit into a CRJ overhead bin, because it won't.....)

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:51 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Texas abortion law
Replies: 330
Views: 14638

Re: Taxes abortion law

The Supreme Court early Wednesday let a Texas state law take effect that allows private citizens to sue to uphold a ban on the procedure after six weeks of pregnancy. Link to politico article Two things seem very odd to me: 1. 6 weeks limit 2. private citizens can sue 1. 6 weeks limit is absurd, it...

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by phatfarmlines
Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:12 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: First Delta A350 from Boston
Replies: 7
Views: 3807

Re: First Delta A350 from Boston

Thanks for the TR. I didn't realize DL was operating BOS-SLC with an A333. We used A14 and walked uphill to L1. I was in 35A, which is an all wing view. Economy seemed cramped compared to other Delta economy seats, maybe its just me. That must have been quite an incline to board the 359 at the L1 do...

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by phatfarmlines
Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Washington State Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 195
Views: 24531

Re: Washington State Aviation Thread - 2021

Raw chicken on the baggage carousel at SEA. So many questions....

TSA calls 'personal fowl' after raw chicken spotted on luggage carousel in Seattle

Source: USA Today

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by phatfarmlines
Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 200
Views: 29299

Re: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021

Avelo adding HVN-TPA and HVN-RSW: https://www.aveloair.com/route-announcements/avelo-airlines-and-tweed-new-haven-airport-announce-nonstop-service-between-connecticut-and-the-sunshine-state From the Avelo network thread, it is suggested that the same company that handles AS will be handing Avelo, so...

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by phatfarmlines
Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:34 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Hurricane Ida Incoming for MSY
Replies: 41
Views: 2413

Re: Hurricane Ida Incoming for MSY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 641741001/
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Power is out for the entire NOLA metro area. Not sure what this means for the operation of the water pumps (I'm hoping those are on separate back-up generators):

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 641741001/

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:40 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Hurricane Ida Incoming for MSY
Replies: 41
Views: 2413

Re: Hurricane Ida Incoming for MSY

Not looking good for the MSY area and other parts of LA and southern AL. The 7 AM advisory from NHC is pretty terse: ...IDA EXPECTED TO RAPIDLY INTENSIFY AS IT MOVES OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN AND CENTRAL GULF OF MEXICO THROUGH TONIGHT... ...PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO ...

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:14 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Shortest lived hubs
Replies: 25
Views: 2576

Re: Shortest lived hubs

I think US Air tried a brief attempt at a TPA hub. By using the old-school definition of a hub (greater than 50 departures), TPA would have qualified as a hub, but I tend to think of the operation more as a large focus. MCO had a similar network profile as well for US during this time. No doubt US ...

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by phatfarmlines
Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:31 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 269
Views: 14059

Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q3 2021

DeSantis mask ban in schools in Florida has been ruled unconstitutional:

Florida Judge Throws Out Gov. Ron DeSantis' Order Prohibiting Masks In Schools

Source: NPR

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by phatfarmlines
Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:36 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: (Famous) Cities / Places / Sights News, Discussion and Questions Thread - 2021
Replies: 17
Views: 2574

Re: Ferris Wheel in Times Square

IMO it doesn't fit in with all of the tall skyscrapers surrounding it, not to mention it taking up more ground space. The Wonder Wheel at Coney Island makes more sense. Also, it looks like it's has open-air cars, so hopefully no one tries to jump off of it at its height and lead to an attraction shu...

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:50 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Arizona Election Audit
Replies: 89
Views: 9901

Re: Arizona Election Audit

Arizona election results are delayed as a few of the Cyber Ninjas staff got struck with COVID-19:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-audit-maricopa-county-delayed-covid-19-infections/

Source: CBS News

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by phatfarmlines
Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 263
Views: 42372

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2021

Which gate will G4 be using at PHX? Not confirmed but I believe they will be slotted in somewhere on F1-F3 each day where they fit. Could G4 be the first to experiment with busing operations from T3S? Especially if they experience success at PHX and grow their schedules out of the airport . Is ther...

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by phatfarmlines
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines LAX-MEX Red-Eye Service History
Replies: 36
Views: 7949

Re: Western Airlines LAX-MEX Red-Eye Service History

3) I cannot get past the four-digit flight number. To my knowledge, no other airline was anywhere close to needing four digits, much less into the 2600's. In scanning a few pages into the 1981 itinerary, I am not seeing a single four-digit flight number. Anyone know why Western used this unusual fl...

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:41 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your favorite self-hubbing connection?
Replies: 32
Views: 1965

Re: Your favorite self-hubbing connection?

Back in the mid-90's, I built an itinerary for my mother and myself on DL & KW (TPA-FLL-SJU) that proved to be significantly cheaper than the offerings for AA & DL (AA nonstop TPA-SJU or TPA-MIA-SJU, DL TPA-MCO-SJU). This would have been right around the time WN started service to TPA, so I...

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:20 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your favorite self-hubbing connection?
Replies: 32
Views: 1965

Re: Your favorite self-hubbing connection?

Back in the mid-90's, I built an itinerary for my mother and myself on DL & KW (TPA-FLL-SJU) that proved to be significantly cheaper than the offerings for AA & DL (AA nonstop TPA-SJU or TPA-MIA-SJU, DL TPA-MCO-SJU). This would have been right around the time WN started service to TPA, so I ...

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by phatfarmlines
Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish attempts take-off on taxiway at KEWR
Replies: 62
Views: 12703

Re: Turkish attempts take-off on taxiway at KEWR

Will this mean EWR will get the infamous LAS taxiway ground markings with the squiggly lines?

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by phatfarmlines
Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 200
Views: 29299

Re: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021

To this day, I remember seeing a NW print ad(!) promoting the TPA-LAX route way back when. Searching online, NW shows serving the route non-stop in 1986. A single daily 757. Its listed as NW Flight 1! I hope I was reading the right. Here's the timetable: [http://northwestairlineshistory.org/wp-cont...

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 200
Views: 29299

Re: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021

On TPA-LAX, National, Northwest , Delta, USAir/Airways, Southwest, and a first attempt by American I believe, have all served the route. In fact, the first flight to land at the new airport in 1971 was National Airlines from LAX. The first TPA-LAX nonstop by National went back to 1961 on a DC-8. An...

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by phatfarmlines
Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:53 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Meal service in Y
Replies: 37
Views: 3984

Re: Meal service in Y

What is crazy is AA and UA do not serve food on those flights to HNL. They are 8+ hour flights and the only thing you get in Y is a bag of chips. It's longer than the TATL flights to Europe from the east coast. I'm shocked that the short TATL flights even get meals. It's sometimes cheaper to fly to...

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by phatfarmlines
Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:55 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Major Demographic Changes Confirmed By US 2020 Census
Replies: 103
Views: 5903

Re: Major Demographic Changes Confirmed By US 2020 Census

- The white population is now under 60% for the first time. - Multiracial is the fastest growing population category. This could be driven by Hispanics electing multiracial instead of white, which has been the historical de facto race selection driven by the Spanish "Gracias Al Sacar" rul...

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by phatfarmlines
Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 200
Views: 29299

Re: West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2021

CM PTY-RSW? Is it a question of why or when? IMHO, after PTY-TPA might go daily, PTY-RSW Mondays and Fridays might be an interesting addition to RSW. At least no more driving to MIA, FLL or TPA for those in Ft Mayers, Naples, Port Charlotte. I don’t have access to recent Latin/South American demand...

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by phatfarmlines
Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Austin (Texas) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 50083

Re: Austin (Texas) Aviation Thread - 2021

I think Austin may be on to something by segregating the ULCC carriers away in a separate terminal. I was in a number of cities recently where the “Meltdown” was occurring and it really seemed like having operations in the same concourse or gates or ticket counters next to the said Meltdown carrier...

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by phatfarmlines
Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:01 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis police to curb minor traffic stops
Replies: 34
Views: 2184

Re: Minneapolis police to curb minor traffic stops

For example according to the story, no longer will air fresheners dangling from the rear view mirror or expired license plate tags/tabs be the sole reason for initiating a traffic stop. I do wonder if technology that allows officers to scan license plates from a distance is driving this change. Off...

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by phatfarmlines
Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:20 am
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: Spotting from terminals/AirTrain at JFK
Replies: 5
Views: 1162

Re: Spotting from terminals/AirTrain at JFK

maverick4002 wrote:
The pool area at the TWA hotel (terminal 5) probably.


This. Several YouTube videos of spotters filming from this location. Great views of T4 Concourse A widebody action.

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by phatfarmlines
Tue Aug 10, 2021 12:35 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 206417

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Norwegian Cruise Lines managed to override DeSantis's vaccine passport ban. Recall that DeSantis and the CDC were involved in a volley of appeals on the ban to which DeSantis was successful.


U.S. judge says Florida can't ban cruise ship's 'vaccine passport' program

Source: Reuters

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by phatfarmlines
Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 183
Views: 26128

Re: Dallas / Fort Worth (DFW/DAL) Aviation Thread - 2021

So how does that split out work? Seems like a lot of expense and effort for 4-5 gates in each terminal… And just puts more people in an already overcrowded concourse. That problem is actually a big focus of this project; the addition of a handful (literally) of gates is only one goal. With the incr...

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by phatfarmlines
Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:39 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 206417

Re: Biden Tells Texas and Florida to Get Out of the Way on COVID-19

Don't politicians have other things to do other than imposing and lifting same mandates every other week? Imagine the added peer pressure on kids who want to keep masks in schools with all this political tantrum outside the school. I saw a recent interview with ex-Surgeon General Jerome Adams who i...

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by phatfarmlines
Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Amazon set to Open EWR hub from 2023
Replies: 35
Views: 4582

Re: Amazon set to Open EWR hub from 2023

No doubt that the New York area represents a huge amount of demand, but does EWR really have the airfield capacity to accommodate many additional cargo flights from Prime Air? Makes me wonder if somewhere more on the outskirts of the tri-state area, like ABE or SWF, would've made more sense as not ...

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