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by planes112
Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is the approximate down payment required for new aircraft?
Replies: 7
Views: 3145

Re: What is the approximate down payment required for new aircraft?

one of the OEMs charges 1% deposit, 10% 2 years before, and 10% 1 year before. This is all subject to negotiation

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by planes112
Mon May 01, 2017 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

I was pushing back on him for saying that they are going after bbd for the high of cost production of the early frames when in reality they are getting the average of cost of production for the program I know. Boing are saying Bombardier's sale to Delta is significantly below their estimated final ...

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by planes112
Mon May 01, 2017 1:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

look again how boeing calculated the cost of product for BBD - they took the (total fixed costs (5.4 billion) + variable cost for making 2085 planes)/2085. It was the average cost of the plane for the entire program, not the early frames. So what... How many times have Boeing adjusted the 787 accou...

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by planes112
Mon May 01, 2017 12:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

Because boeing obviously never sold under the cost of production for the dreamliner. Ever Because boeing obviously never sold under the cost of production for the dreamliner. Ever Or the UA 73G order. Where there are extreme discounts to bag a highly desirable customer / cost of production is not m...

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

More importantly, no dumping case can proceed without a determination of injury. look at the conclusion of the report. The report that BBD has a dumping margin of 80.5%. This is the heavily redacted version and I am willing to bet that the 10x larger one dives into this one more. They cannot public...

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

Any chance Boeing would go after COMAC who is receiving extensive government subsidies, or would that cause them to fall out of favor with the Chinese government, and potentially lose many sales? Ridiculous how the Chinese gov't can bully their way out of things like this while Canada gets taken ad...

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

1. Is BBD offering lower prices in another market than in its home market? yes on page 75 of the official complaint (not pdf page 75). On page 120 of the report, they say that the estimated price for the air canada planes are 30 million while the delta planes are 19.6 million. They are trying to us...

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

Wow, Boeing feels threatened by little Bombardier. Everyone is guilty of this in the aviation industry. I mean look at the 787 program, tax breaks here and there, outsourcing to countries where subcontractors get government benefits of various kinds etc. etc. etc. Indeed a clear cut case of pot and...

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

The timing does not matter for dumping cases. The thing that matters is that they were paid less than the cost of production. Well then a lot of things can be considered "dumping" with that metric - essentially anything sold below production cost for any reason. I'm not an international f...

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

Because boeing obviously never sold under the cost of production for the dreamliner. Ever Or the UA 73G order. Dreamliners we're sold at the prices well before the problems hit. Boeing probably thought they would still be profitable before $&$$ hit the fan. BBD knowingly sold them at an extreme...

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

Well, I love Boeing, but POT, meet KETTLE. The UA 73G deal instantly comes to mind. BUT- I suspect that this exact incident is how we know that Bombardier has a formidable product. If it were a turd, Boeing wouldn't care about it. Again, the UA deal is super different. It is a US carrier buying fro...

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

alasizon wrote:
planes112 wrote:
Because boeing obviously never sold under the cost of production for the dreamliner. Ever


Or the UA 73G order.



fundamentally different. This is a dumping case which means that it is kosher to do that within your own country. If they did that to say, Air Canada, that would be bad

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by planes112
Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries
Replies: 595
Views: 111754

Re: Boeing targets Bombardier for “price dumping” CSeries

Because boeing obviously never sold under the cost of production for the dreamliner. Ever

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by planes112
Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Bad Q1 Results
Replies: 84
Views: 12701

Re: JetBlue Bad Q1 Results

They can grow at IAD. Several years ago B6 had a much larger presence at Dulles, but they steadily pulled back as CPE continued to rise. Now CPE is falling and is much more reasonable. B6 needs to take a meaningful look at getting bigger at IAD. There are several city pairs that might be ideal for ...

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by planes112
Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:40 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Air Force One question
Replies: 9
Views: 4054

Re: Air Force One question

I have a hard time believing it is so secretive when they carry the press onboard. Why is it hard to believe? White House press corps deals with embargoed information on a regular basis. Ignore the embargo? Say good bye to your White House press accreditation. Exactly. Also the vast vast majority o...

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by planes112
Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:10 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Air Force One question
Replies: 9
Views: 4054

Re: Air Force One question

Ex white house employee here - no you won't find this online. They do a lot things to make any presidential schedule secretive. When I was there in the last admin, they frequently had both a motorcade and Marine One lease the WH at the same to go to Andrews. Furthermore, unless you were senior or in...

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by planes112
Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing, JetBlue bet on an electric regional airliner
Replies: 40
Views: 7897

Re: Boeing, JetBlue bet on an electric regional airliner

Would this aircraft be economical to operate on a mainline pay scale? We've seen many promises for many great concepts, and I just don't think this one has the teeth. I would love to be proven wrong, however. I guess I'm with you. Realistically the odds for the plane coming to fruition are long and...

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by planes112
Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue JFK T5 / Saarinen question
Replies: 3
Views: 1014

Re: JetBlue JFK T5 / Saarinen question

Apologies in advance for the incoming thread derail:

Are there any plans to expand T5 in the direction of T7? If so, do they have any extra slots or would the port authority grant them more? Or would they have to buy them from someone else?

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by planes112
Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue May Delay ATL Launch
Replies: 191
Views: 19672

Re: JetBlue May Delay ATL Launch

This makes me mad. Having experience with Delta being a dick before, I do not put this past them for a second. Sure, Delta is an impressive airline. But they ruin their name in my book with petty shit like this.

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by planes112
Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian with Providence and Stewart from Bergen
Replies: 51
Views: 9539

Re: Norwegian with Providence and Stewart from Bergen

Ugh. I just booked Oslo to Boston on them. Would have made the trip so much easier if we did this because now we have to spend an expensive getting from bergen to oslo. I think that there is a small market for this in the summer

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by planes112
Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2017
Replies: 1559
Views: 195173

Re: Boston Aviation - Part 13

I'm have a few questions on the BOS- MAN flights on Condor/MT. - is this a condor O&D flight or an MT flight for vacation packages? Their website seems a bit ambiguous but i think it is a condor flight - the ITA matrix shows there being a first/business class section. MT's website says that all...

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by planes112
Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2017
Replies: 1559
Views: 195173

Re: Boston Aviation - Part 13

I'm have a few questions on the BOS- MAN flights on Condor/MT. - is this a condor O&D flight or an MT flight for vacation packages? Their website seems a bit ambiguous but i think it is a condor flight - the ITA matrix shows there being a first/business class section. MT's website says that all ...

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by planes112
Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/5/2017: AA Drops LGAYYZ,3M out of Cuba?,DL Adds DTWSNA, UA Cuts Flights
Replies: 86
Views: 11207

Re: OAG Changes 3/5/2017: AA Drops LGAYYZ,3M out of Cuba?,DL Adds DTWSNA, UA Cuts Flights

That's weird because Google is showing me $1322 every Wednesday and Saturday April-September. The VS website is also showing me $1322. What dates are you seeing anything less than a grand? edit: Condor is way cheaper. VS is $1322 but Condor is about $260. It looks like Condor is using a leased A330...

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by planes112
Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/5/2017: AA Drops LGAYYZ,3M out of Cuba?,DL Adds DTWSNA, UA Cuts Flights
Replies: 86
Views: 11207

Re: OAG Changes 3/5/2017: AA Drops LGAYYZ,3M out of Cuba?,DL Adds DTWSNA, UA Cuts Flights

I'm wondering how this MAN operation is going to work out for VS/DL. Fares are fairly low in coach especially with MT on both routes (the most underrated deal to Europe btw) but it does appear the low J fare buckets are sold out for the start. A DL 757 would have been perfect for BOS with daily or ...

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by planes112
Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/5/2017: AA Drops LGAYYZ,3M out of Cuba?,DL Adds DTWSNA, UA Cuts Flights
Replies: 86
Views: 11207

Re: OAG Changes 3/5/2017: AA Drops LGAYYZ,3M out of Cuba?,DL Adds DTWSNA, UA Cuts Flights

VS BOS-MAN OCT 0.2>0 VS SFO-MAN OCT 0.4>0 I'm wondering how this MAN operation is going to work out for VS/DL. Fares are fairly low in coach especially with MT on both routes (the most underrated deal to Europe btw) but it does appear the low J fare buckets are sold out for the start. A DL 757 woul...

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by planes112
Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TAP return to profit in 2016
Replies: 6
Views: 1841

Re: TAP return to profit in 2016

i've been searching long and hard for any sign of how profitable their TATL flights to Boston/JFK/EWR/MIA. Preferably, i would like to know on a route level but i can also work with the overall picture. Does anyone know where i can find it?

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by planes112
Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 2/17/2017:AC Moves YOW to EWR,VX Shrinks DAL,NK Cuts Some Markets
Replies: 71
Views: 10969

Re: OAG Changes 2/17/2017:AC Moves YOW to EWR,VX Shrinks DAL,NK Cuts Some Markets

VX upping BOS-SFO. This is getting to be quite the crowded market. I think UA is at 7-8x daily, B6 I think is 3x, DL is starting 2x daily and now VX is going 4x daily. That's 17 daily flights!! Impressive for a route of that distance. Come this summer, it looks like there will be more nonstops betw...

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by planes112
Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2017
Replies: 1559
Views: 195173

Re: Boston Aviation - Part 13

Domestically, B6 starts ATL and have already started LGA, however I don't know how much that will increase ridership vs a market shift, time will tell.. Missed this discussion on the increase in pax... I wonder if we tend to discount the impact of domestic routes on overall numbers. With Delta addi...

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by planes112
Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: List price of 737 MAX 8 vs 737 MAX 200
Replies: 13
Views: 4085

Re: List price of 737 max 8 vs 737 max 200

Seats are not included in list prices for any major OEM. As the prior posters said, the extra door adds extra costs. there are a few other things, but the door is the biggest one

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by planes112
Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MadMax vs MOM: Now A Third Proposal, a simple stretch
Replies: 615
Views: 70932

Re: MadMax vs MOM: Now A Third Proposal, a simple stretch

frmrCapCadet wrote:
[quote="keesje"

Boeing knows how to a high degree of accuracy how much a new wing (and MLG?) will cost, they just have about completed such a product for the 777.



Boeing really has no idea on the cost structure of the 737 -10x or NMA. The confidence intervals on the estimate are absolutely out of this world.

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by planes112
Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation - Part 12
Replies: 293
Views: 33180

Re: Boston Aviation - Part 12

I believe that they are moving to Terminal B. American will vacate some space when they consolidate on the legacy USAIR side of the terminal. Terminal B WN will take gates B30,31,32,33,34&35. The gates will be rezoned as all 737MAX8 gates. WN will add an additional gate with the rezoned gates a...

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by planes112
Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Announces Cost Cuts, Teases Europe
Replies: 143
Views: 21981

Re: JetBlue Announces Cost Cuts, Teases Europe

I really wish b6 focused on expanding the midwest rather than to the carribean. I know my firm would switch in a heartbeat to jetblue if they served more of the midwest cities from Boston like MSP, MCI, IND, or STL. Jetblue has a huge network hole in the middle of the country and i think they would ...

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