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by mysfit
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 337808

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Ok, fine.

Give them the money BUT make it contingent on reinvesting in the employees and not going to shareholders.

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by mysfit
Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 183411

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

I've been thinking - flying itself doesn't seem to pose an extraordinary risk of contracting the disease. There's quite a few members here who've flown frequently of late and none are reporting being sick themselves. There are thousands of flight attendants working in the cabins on tens of thousand...

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by mysfit
Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 183411

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Well now this isn't going to end well. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/09/politics/coronavirus-airlines-white-house-tensions/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486586-airlines-threatened-with-fines-if-they-dont-provide-foreign-passenger-data%3f...

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by mysfit
Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Idaho Airports and Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 95
Views: 7559

Re: Idaho Airports and Aviation Thread - 2020

OK. So this isn't aviation related per se. But I've google mapped BOI and Boise, and there seems to be quite a few interesting places to visit. Never been to Idaho and would like to knock that off my "All 50 States" list. Only 7 to go. So to any BOI locals, is it worth my time, like 3-4 d...

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by mysfit
Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020
Replies: 1740
Views: 191440

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Lawyers representing families must be salivating over those emails. Dripping with contempt, arrogance and intention.

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

It was a tragic accident. I don't think anyone has room to be throwing stones. The region is tense and missiles have been fired. While it seems incomprehensible they shot down their own civilian plane, I would remind people catastrophic failures, like this, are a chain of events. It isn't as simple ...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

smokeybandit wrote:
So let's suppose for a minute it's a missile. How do you confirm that based on wreckage?

Shrapnel punctures....CVR.

I think.

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

So, missile?

Ouch

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Anyone remember that plane at the gate in ChiNa which rapidly burned from the cargo hold straight up through the top? As mentioned above numerous times that fire only started when the aircraft was on the ground, the fuel flow from the leaking tank dripped on the exhaust of the engine. . No. Not the...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Pentagon official, a senior U.S. intelligence official and an Iraqi intelligence official told Newsweek that the Ukrainian airliner that crashed in Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile. https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313?amp=1 A missile would...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/08/artic ... -bln-yuan/
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This China flight, not the same one referenced above. This one was apparently tied to lithium batteries.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/08/artic ... -bln-yuan/

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

I don't believe those missile fragments are at the crash site. Per numerous news articles previously linked, al Jazeera's and cnn, and the investigation website, the plane had turned back. Per PixelFlights back of the envelope calculation, the aircraft crashed about 2 min post LOS. The video is 30 s...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Still to be verified, it's just my own evaluation. Note: the video was taken from a location about 10 km from the position of the ADS-B loss, so if any noticeable sound was generated at that moment, it would still take about half a minute to reach the guy that have take the video. We don't know yet...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

I think it's a mistake at this point to base assumptions of cause on various government reactions and our expectations of them. That's all such a cluster and can send you down all kinds of rabbit holes. I'd stick to facts. Video and physical evidence in proper perspective. Like timing. And yes there...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

As far as the video, there's no way of knowing how long the plane was in trouble BEFORE filming started. I evaluate that the time between the ADS-B loss and the ground impact is about 2 minutes, based on the fact that this is about the same distance from the airport and the loss of ADS-B, and that ...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ ... 48656.html
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Let me repost the link. It would seem some people quoting my post with the link didn't read it very carefully.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ ... 48656.html

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Also, doesn't the CCV camera indicate more shallow, horizontal velocity? I could have sworn someone mentioned that, in support of some limited late control.

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Seeing multiple reports now that the plane HAD turned back but no radio call. Unknown if the problem resulting in the turn was what brought the plane down. A rapid fire which cut off communication? If so, could that cut off the black boxes? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/iran-ukraine-plane-...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Seeing multiple reports now that the plane HAD turned back but no radio call. Unknown if the problem resulting in the turn was what brought the plane down. A rapid fire which cut off communication? If so, could that cut off the black boxes? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/iran-ukraine-plane-c...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Viper911 wrote:

Smfurthermore the missile theory is denied so far.

Viper911


Not by everyone.
However unlikely, it remains a viable option.

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

[photoid][/photoid] Yes but I wouldn't rule out a pilot or steward being involved in some kind of terrorism on board Yes but that would be an intention act as opposed to pilot error. That's why I agreed with you but didn't want to rule out a pilot being involved in another way Hope that makes sense...

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Interested wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
mysfit wrote:

I think the only thing we can remotely agree on is it not being the result of pilot error.


Yes but I wouldn't rule out a pilot or steward being involved in some kind of terrorism on board

Yes but that would be an intention act as opposed to pilot error.

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Hmm

Now what country in the ME could possibly benefit by taking down a civilian aircraft especially if they could pin it on someone else?

(And no I don't mean Iraq, Iran or the US)

Yes, I know. I read too much fiction.

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by mysfit
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2728
Views: 296806

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Based on the information so far, it would seem the aircraft suffered a rapid, explosive event resulting in a fireball on the way down That leaves a number of blanks to fill in. We all are making assumptions trying to fill in those blanks. Without much in the way of hard facts. And statistics and pro...

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by mysfit
Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
Replies: 1923
Views: 451191

Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Went back and re-read the threads here and on PPRUNE. WSJ had the events correctly in mid March. Posters were repeatedly incredulous that very experienced pilots could possibly make the errors alledged. Experience was based on hours flown. Maybe that number needs to be broken down in terms of flown ...

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by mysfit
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
Replies: 1923
Views: 451191

Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

I thought somewhere on this thread it was stated he was hired by HR over objections....to avoid legal action.

Sounds more like he could respond to canned responses and push buttons rather than being a pilot.

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by mysfit
Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
Replies: 1923
Views: 451191

Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

He panicked, I agree.

The TO/GA gets pushed.
PF says WHOA followed by WHAT'S MY SPEED then he says STALL.

Nose up, he thinks they are in a stall. Did he even see the increased speed at that point? I'm not sure he was able to find it.....

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by mysfit
Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
Replies: 1923
Views: 451191

Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Trying to understand.

The plane was in go around with increasing speed. The PF thought they were in a stall so pitched down? Basically flying the aircraft into the ground at high speed?

And the jumpseater was emphatically calling out pull up?
Jaysus

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by mysfit
Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 746152

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

The notion that the FAA is simply being spiteful and punitive at this point is right up there with the best, or worst, conspiracy theorists. Everyone wants the plane back in the air as quickly as possible so long as it's safe. It isn't just the FAA that has to sign off. Boeing did this to themselves...

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by mysfit
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 746152

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

It's not just the FAA though, right? EASA etc all have to recert.

So the notion it's a move to pressure the FAA doesn't really hold up.

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by mysfit
Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: PC-12 Crash in Chamberlain NTSB Preliminary released
Replies: 117
Views: 4510

Re: PC-12 crash in Chamberlain leaving 9 dead

The youngest on the flight was 7 years old. Articles have confirmed that the one person on the flight who was a pilot was Kirk Hansen. The names of all aboard have been released along with the information so it's public domain. A lot of things could have gone wrong and yes there will be an investiga...

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by mysfit
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: PC-12 Crash in Chamberlain NTSB Preliminary released
Replies: 117
Views: 4510

Re: PC-12 crash in Chamberlain leaving 9 dead

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/12/h ... sed-kyani/
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They were hunting pheasants. There is a picture out on some of the news articles showing the group post hunt. 4 generations. Just devastating for that family.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/12/h ... sed-kyani/

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by mysfit
Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: PC-12 Crash in Chamberlain NTSB Preliminary released
Replies: 117
Views: 4510

Re: PC-12 crash in Chamberlain leaving 9 dead

The weather is bad enough to delay the investigators.

Now, I'm not saying it DID happen but incoming worsening weather might have factored into the decision to go when they did. Trying to beat the worst of it rather than delaying.

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by mysfit
Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: PC-12 Crash in Chamberlain NTSB Preliminary released
Replies: 117
Views: 4510

Re: PC-12 crash in Chamberlain leaving 9 dead

What the plane was designed to carry and the number it was carrying legitimately raises the question of load, arm chair pilot or not.

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by mysfit
Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: PC-12 Crash in Chamberlain NTSB Preliminary released
Replies: 117
Views: 4510

Re: PC-12 crash in Chamberlain leaving 9 dead

The pilot was part of the family. From what everyone is saying, it sounds like the plane was overloaded. I've read elsewhere there is no deicing equipment there. They flew in fine under better weather. Normalization of deviance. Got away with it at least once. Given the weather, it seems like a bad ...

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by mysfit
Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: PC-12 Crash in Chamberlain NTSB Preliminary released
Replies: 117
Views: 4510

Re: PC-12 crash in Chamberlain leaving 9 dead

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/11/k ... rk-hansen/
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Returning from a hunting trip. Founders of Kyani and family. Very tragic.......

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/11/k ... rk-hansen/

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by mysfit
Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended
Replies: 5670
Views: 746152

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

I keep reading where people think the egregious behavior of the SIM was due to the SIM not being programmed correctly. But what if it was correct and Boeing missed the issue because they didn't believe the data? A lack of imagination. My experience in development and manufacturing tells me that cutt...

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by mysfit
Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:33 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Impeachment: for real this time?
Replies: 609
Views: 79442

Re: Impeachment: for real this time?

It's always the cover up.

If the GOP doesn't want to run an impeached president candidate they better reinstate all those primaries they cancelled.

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by mysfit
Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 373524

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Of course there are unknown unkowns.
A bit of hubris to think otherwise.

Complicated systems and interactions. Not to mention what we can measure and characterize is limited by current metrology. Unknown unknowns exist and we currently do not have the metrology to measure them.

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by mysfit
Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 671799

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Boeing probably doesn't like having folks looking over their shoulder and demanding specifics.

The ham handed way they rolled this out and responded has resulted in a lack of trust by their customers. Apparently it hasn't occurred to Boeing that they have to work to regain that trust.

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by mysfit
Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta announces employee pay increase effective October 1st
Replies: 10
Views: 6244

Re: Delta announces employee pay increase effective October 1st

Not sure why there is so much angst towards unions.

It's no coincidence that with the decrease in union participation the economic gap has widened. Pay has been flat and the middle class has shrunk.

As others have pointed out, this puts pressure on their competitors.

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by mysfit
Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA FA Helps Boy With Autism
Replies: 24
Views: 5136

Re: Non-power tripping FAs - Newsworthy

Can we just please enjoy a simple, feel good story without it devolving into the same old battles?

Shame on you people always looking to piss and moan when it just isn't called for.

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by mysfit
Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Atlantic Tackles MH370 Final Conclusions
Replies: 177
Views: 30299

Re: The Atlantic Tackles MH370 Final Conclusions

The issue I have with the pilot suicide idea. Is it wasn't JUST suicide but also mass murder.

And that really isn't very common. That speaks to a more complicated pathology.

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by mysfit
Sun May 19, 2019 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 416788

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

It's lousy engineering and safety practice to EXPECT pilots to successfully counteract emergency which is caused by a single point failure resulting in a software fix for a mechanical issue going haywire during a heavy workload portion of flight. Argue all you want about how pilots, with all hell br...

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by mysfit
Sun May 19, 2019 2:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 416788

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

It Frankly pisses me off to see people, and Boeing, try to pass the buck on training when they hid this new system in order to avoid having to train and inform crews about a system. AA pilots were pretty hot about it so please don't play that garbage about 3rd world training. Boeing management and ...

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by mysfit
Sun May 19, 2019 3:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 416788

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

What way, other than the wheel, is a manual attempt to trim? The thumb switch is referred to as manual trim even though it is electric. It is manual in the sense that it isn't an automatic function like autopilot. If a light bulb is on a timer then it turns on automatically. If you use a light swit...

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by mysfit
Sun May 19, 2019 3:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 416788

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

It Frankly pisses me off to see people, and Boeing, try to pass the buck on training when they hid this new system in order to avoid having to train and inform crews about a system. AA pilots were pretty hot about it so please don't play that garbage about 3rd world training. Boeing management and b...

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by mysfit
Sun May 19, 2019 3:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 416788

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

What way, other than the wheel, is a manual attempt to trim?

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