I find it amazing that DL chooses to fly to MAF and MFE which are small niche markets and not to DFW with a population of 6 million. I would think Delta could find other creative ways to burn money. WN has flown AUS-MAF since the 70s so there's clearly some demand on that route. MFE is a bit more o...
Jump to postMSN or RSW feel like the top two candidate all things considered. Decent brand recognition in both markets and already having a handful of p2p routes out of both airports. If it's not one of those I would assume some other medium sized airport in the midwest or Florida. Places like CLT/IAD/SFO woul...
Jump to postMSN or RSW feel like the top two candidate all things considered. Decent brand recognition in both markets and already having a handful of p2p routes out of both airports. If it's not one of those I would assume some other medium sized airport in the midwest or Florida. Places like CLT/IAD/SFO would...
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Jump to postI don't think it'll be BA taking over the LHR flight. Probably won't be a European route. Aer Lingus to DUB is a possibility but far from the most likely route. Same goes for Copa.
It'll almost certainly be WestJet.
IAD-ANC seems like a smart add for UA, especially with the 7M8 being able to make that trip. Certainly seems possible that this was partially a move to keep AS off that route considering the fact that when AS added IAD-SAN, UA immediately added 777s and more frequencies on said route.
Jump to postLAS will probably remain a very large spoke much like MCO but also have several p2p routes. I could see a couple of more p2p routes being added, maybe LAS-SNA, a route which they ran up until the pandemic I believe. However, I also assume a lot of the p2p adds in the near future will largely be cent...
Jump to postForgot about Tulum in all of this. There's a good chance that SY will add at some point this year. With a possible DL response as well.
Jump to postMSP-NAS has been served by NW/DL and SY in the past, I think it was run seasonally up until the pandemic but hasn't been served since. Maybe it was in 2021 but not sure about that.
Jump to postSome 2024 predictions: -The DL/SY cold war of sorts will continue. Expect a few new routes from SY with DL responding. SBA/GSP/RDM could be some places to watch. -AA/B6/NK will likely be stagnant for the most part. UA is a similar story but I wouldn't be surprised to see IAD get mainline service aga...
Jump to postHi, Does anybody know how IAD-AMM is doing? I was wondering if it is supposed to serve the Arab population in DC, Because there aren't that many Jordanian Americans and UA lacks the connections at AMM side. It was actually doing pretty well before the Israel conflict. Not yet sure how much that has...
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Boeing has had a solid bounce back (especially in Europe) after losing out on the AF/KL deal. Have gotten firm orders from both IAG and Lufthansa group since then. My guess is a good chunk of the 737s will go Discover and Edelweiss, and while I wouldn't be shocked if either Austrian or Brussels ends...
Jump to postI *am* a bit surprised that IAD hasn't grown more. UA talked a lot about shifting connecting flows there from EWR, but it hasn't really materialized. Not sure what happened to that plan. IAD's biggest setback at this point is their facilities, at least for UA. Their ~5pm bank is pretty much totally...
Jump to postThere's a couple of Greek island airports with runways shorter than 5000' that effectively eliminate the possibility of any jet service and limit service to primarily Athens and maybe Thessaloniki. That being said, several of those airports have or are getting runway extensions to allow expanded ser...
Jump to postBNA has a decent shot of sticking but MAF/MFE? I'd give them a 50% chance of performing decently if they were 1-2x daily on an EMB-120 or something. But a CRJ-900? Slim chance. They're also going to be going up against WN on AUS-MAF, a route they've been flying since the 70s. Not saying building AUS...
Jump to postDelta to start service between MSP and ILM on May 8, 2024. https://www.wect.com/2023/11/29/delta-announces-nonstop-flights-wilmington-minneapolisst-paul/ I read that as "service between MSP and LIM" for a split second and was about to ask many questions :lol: I don't think MSP-ILM has eve...
Jump to postIn the past DL has tried ELP-MEM/MSP and more recently tried SLC-ELP. All of them failed and didn't last long. We can be lucky ATL-ELP works once daily, yet alone twice daily.
Jump to postI have to image that the A321 is the largest regularly scheduled commercial aircraft TVC has seen unless NW, UA or someone else regularly scheduled 757s to TVC at some point. But I don't that has happened.
Jump to postI assume Vueling will get a good chunk of the 737s. Betting BA also gets some - mostly for LGW ops. Air Europa has their own 737s on order already so I'm not sure if they'll get much of the first batch of 50 but we'll see. IIRC this order had 50-100 options (correct me if I'm wrong) along with the 5...
Jump to postA focus city at SLC would make absolutely zero sense for UA. You have your largest hub at DEN just a couple hundred miles away and pretty much all of the p2p routes UA would presumably add would effectively cannibalize DEN to some degree. On top of that, DL completely dominates the SLC market and th...
Jump to postDL’s re-adding MSP-ORF and MSP-TYS next year. Both are in the schedule once daily with CR9s. Nice to see the interior hubs slowly building back their networks. Jeremy ORF-MSP on a CR9? Isn’t that a bit longish for the CR9? That is not going to be pleasant. Wish they could’ve done E75 at the very le...
Jump to postMSP-GSP is probably the most likely of those four routes. Wouldn't be surprised to see that added at least in the summer at some point in the future. I think MSP can get back to 400 departures/day within the next couple of years - though probably not S24. Pretty sure that figure was about 320 this y...
Jump to postIAD-AMM has been an extremely strong performer for much of its existence. I doubt they cut that route unless they have to for safety reasons - which is possible. But yes, the TLV routes are most likely not coming back any time soon. Could definitely see UA adding a couple more TATL routes for S24 if...
Jump to postAnyone have an idea about how much smaller DL is today at ORD versus the combined NW/ DL in the period five years following the merger? I seem to recall NW having a larger ORD operation. DL's considerably larger today. In the first half of the 2000s, NW/DL operated as many as 50+ flights per day (n...
Jump to postI guess FPR's best bet is probably G4 with a couple of weekly flights to one or two colder weather destinations. Don't see many other takers at the moment.
Jump to postZero surprise with NAP being added. More surprised to see 757s back on TATL routes. Though I believe it's the second shortest TATL route in the DL network excluding KEF. Pretty sure BOS-DUB is just a little shorter distancewise. Honestly though ATL-ZRH was already being flown but evidently I was wro...
Jump to postWhere is SBS?!
Edit: Typo for SBA. ATL-SBA is a very interesting add
OK. How many 330neos and 359s are due between now and the start of the S24 schedule, please, and how do you expect them to be allocated across TATL, TPAC and deep SA? Please, read this ! Some Notes and Expectations on DL's Int'l Network, lots of which has already been discussed upthread. ... Summer...
Jump to postWe knew LX was a matter of time given their 2020 intentions to fly to IAD + LH Group's strong presence at IAD, but still it's thrilling to see it announced. Spotting the Sabena and Swissair A330s at IAD in the late 90s/early 00s until the bankruptcies was so exciting for me as a pre-teen, and I rem...
Jump to postGuessing DL will announce FRA-MSP within the next couple of weeks considering how territorial they've been at MSP when it comes to new airlines entering the market
Jump to postA 737 wasn't going to do well on RDU-MEM regardless of the timing/frequency. An E-175 is a much better fit for the route and if anyone else were to add RDU-MEM in the future, it would probably be AA if they decide to add some more p2p routes out of RDU.
Jump to postI think the point was saying that DXB is where UA will route some African connections on EK, particularly where LH doesn't fly. I don't see IAD getting larger than EWR departures or traffic wise. The airport needs new facilities to do that, and also would need to double down on domestic traffic and...
Jump to postThere will probably a couple new TATL adds from DL for 2024 but not a ton. Maybe 1 new destination in Europe.
Wouldn't be all that shocked DL decided to go for the new hot market and add JFK-NAP. Maybe a new route to CDG or AMS to go with it. Not much more though.
What's going on with CVG? Handful of regional jets to some important corporate markets and mainline to strong local demand markets like Florida, DEN, etc. WN is obviously smaller in CVG versus some other midwest stations and with Delta's large base in CVG, makes sense why they still serve some of t...
Jump to postI saw the leaning tower of Pisa front and center on one of those patches, so my bold guess is one of them is PHL-PSA. Keep in mind AA tried PHL-BLQ in 2019 so PSA is not out of the question. Feel like ORD-KRK may be the Chicago themed route, was supposed to launch in 2020 but never did for obvious r...
Jump to postSo based off the AA thread and jonnyc's tweets, there's some rumor swirling of imminent TATL routes, mostly out of PHL with 'a wild card destination'. He mentions Eastern Europe which AA developed quite well, but I think the wild card is going to be IST. Regardless of what winds up, 2024 is looking...
Jump to postHonestly surprised DFW-PSC didn't come first. Though I assume if PHX-PSC does even somewhat decently, DFW-PSC won't be too far behind.
Jump to postI imagine there will be some top ups of 789s to replace the A330s eventually.
The 350 will eventually replace the A380.
LX/UA pretty much have a monopoly on NYC-GVA, it'll be hard for anyone, including DL to be competitive on that route. Is it the same reason they don't fly NYC-MUC ? That one feels like a huge hole to me. Correct, UA/LH will run the show on NYC-MUC for the foreseeable future. Even outside of NYC, US...
Jump to postDCA-FSD feels like a route we'll see AA add at some point in the not too distant future. Why do you think AA is going to add service from DCA to Sioux Falls, SD sometime soon? Their service to CLT is only seasonal as is DL's to ATL and those are much larger hubs. That route would tie up a plane and...
Jump to postCLE may as well still be a mini focus city for UA, all hubs served plus a bunch of p2p routes to Florida and CUN.
But it would still make zero sense to further add cities out of CLE even if it's targeted strictly at O&D pax.
I’m hoping to see some growth back in the Midwest via MSP or DTW or both. Both hubs took a hit with covid and now seem a bit constrained with growth focused on the coastal hubs at their expense. Compared to the other legacies UA and AA they definitely lack to 3rd place in connectivity for a vast po...
Jump to postAA flew DCA-DAB Saturday only recently for a few weeks, either last year or earlier this year around spring break. Not on the schedule for 2024 yet but still time for them to re-load it into the schedule.
DCA-FSD feels like a route we'll see AA add at some point in the not too distant future.