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by panamair
Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United suspends ORD-HKG
Replies: 64
Views: 11022

Re: United suspends ORD-HKG

The challenges in the Hong Kong market have been around for a while now and the recent tensions have certainly contributed to them but are not the only cause of it. Yields have not been great even before recent events. Few noticed that in Q4 2018, United actually took an asset impairment charge on t...

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by panamair
Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL
Replies: 266
Views: 42327

Re: Rumor: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL

Over the last 4 years they have cut routes. BKK was one that made me shake my head. Now I don’t fly Delta at all when I go there. Air China has been my choice. As has been repeated in multiple threads, that TPAC network needed restructuring and we’re in the middle of it now. And BKK? UA, the top do...

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by panamair
Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs
Replies: 133
Views: 13930

Re: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs

The DL-AF-KL-VS JV shares profits so the cost element matters to all participants. I believe the UA-LH-AC-LX-and others JV is a revenue sharing one. That’s why you see more of an effort by DL/AF/KL/VS to switch things up when necessary in terms of operating carrier and aircraft type to each route. Y...

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by panamair
Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL, VS boost summer flying between U.S. and U.K. in 2020
Replies: 69
Views: 14188

Re: Delta international announcement later today

Looks like the new flights have all been loaded and available for booking. Which VS flight is being cut between LHR-JFK? I wish Delta operated more afternoon departures from EU. I understand why they want their planes back but as long as DL flyers get more benefits flying DL metal, we need options. ...

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by panamair
Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs
Replies: 133
Views: 13930

Re: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs

Agreed. Around 2007 Delta was running tons of flights to Europe from ATL, JFK, and CVG. We had a lot of nonstop options to secondary cities. Now they are doing everything they can to force passengers through AMS and CDG. What nonsense. Sure, CVG has been replaced by DTW post-merger but DL metal sti...

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by panamair
Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 835
Views: 162008

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

N709DN is now scheduled to do a regular NRT-MNL-NRT rotation (subbing for the regular 76Z) on Aug 17-18 after it arrives in NRT.

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by panamair
Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to Gatwick again
Replies: 18
Views: 2618

Re: Delta to Gatwick again

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Being discussed in this thread started yesterday:

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by panamair
Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL, VS boost summer flying between U.S. and U.K. in 2020
Replies: 69
Views: 14188

Re: Delta international announcement later today

The Delta news release also provides more info such as schedules and aircraft types. Both BOS-LGW and BOS-MAN will be with the 75S - the international 757s equipped with 16 flat-bed D1 seats up front; VS will use the A332 on JFK-LGW. Also interesting is that the new DL LHR-JFK flight will be at 0730...

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by panamair
Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Skyteam TATL 2020?
Replies: 61
Views: 7595

Re: Skyteam TATL 2020?

Maybe boost their new "focus cities" at BNA/AUS/SJC with a Euro-link. RDU to either AMS or CDG to start. Maybe both eventually. DL already flies RDU-CDG today with the 763ER; route started a few years back with a 757 and has since been upgauged to a 767. Also wouldn’t be surprised if we w...

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by panamair
Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL
Replies: 266
Views: 42327

Re: Unconfirmed: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL

So its confirmed. Delta closes NRT-MNL effective April 2020 https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285771/delta-closes-tokyo-manila-bookings-from-april-2020/ They have zeroed out inventory for the NRT-MNL/MNL-NRT segments but the flight is still bookable as part of a MNL-U.S. or U.S.-MNL...

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by panamair
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Pan Am and TWA to Istanbul
Replies: 19
Views: 1981

Re: Pan Am and TWA to Istanbul

At some point during Pan Am’s round the world service (PA001/PA002), IST was a regular stop so there was same plane 747 service to/from IST and JFK but with at least two stops (FRA and LHR). Later after the RTW service was abandoned, Pan Am continued operating to IST but always with a change-in-gaug...

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by panamair
Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM
Replies: 1013
Views: 147733

Re: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM

DL had it as 5 weekly once the busy winter rush ended in January. So don't think the 5X happened because of something not originally planned (like because of tension or poor bookings).. I believe that is correct. The weekend the flight went on sale, I checked for dates in March and April 2020 and t...

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by panamair
Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL
Replies: 266
Views: 42327

Re: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL

I guess they went with the cheapest operating cost option of running probably a 763ER ICN-MNL instead of launching which what would be revolutionary A339neo SEA-MNL. ICN-MNL won’t be with a 763ER since there won’t be any DL 763ERs into ICN by March 2020.. DTW-ICN is an A359 SEA-ICN will be an A339 ...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 835
Views: 162008

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

What cabin upgrades will the 763 receive? A subset of the 76Z fleet (probably the 76T fleet also eventually) is going from C26W29Y171 (226) to C26Y+18W21Y151 (216) starting this fall. I believe 3x by S20 and 14x by 12/31/20. I believe only airframes from 186 and younger will see this premium econom...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22085

Re: Delta A220 route additions

tphuang wrote:
Can't speak for rest of the country, but at least here in NYC, DL isn't regarded as some luxury airlines that's been build up on a.net.


I know you like to speak for the financial firm corporate traveller, all Asians who fly transpacific, but now you represent NYC too? :roll: :roll:

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by panamair
Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Q2 2019 US Carriers Financial Performance
Replies: 47
Views: 5844

Re: Q2 2019 US Carriers Financial Performance

Thanks. If you have the time and the inclination, I think seeing YTD would be interesting too as one quarter can be deceiving. Here are the YTD 2019 figures: RPMs (traffic) - in millions AA: 117,460 UA: 116,098 DL: 114,790 WN: 65,232 AS: 27,087 B6: 26,516 ASMs (capacity) - in millions AA: 138,996 U...

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by panamair
Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Q2 2019 US Carriers Financial Performance
Replies: 47
Views: 5844

Q2 2019 US Carriers Financial Performance

Some folks have asked for a summary of the Q2 2019 financial performance of the various US carriers....here's a comparison across various financial and statistical metrics of AA, DL, UA, WN, AS, and B6: Before getting into the financials, here are some traffic/capacity figures to give you an idea of...

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by panamair
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:56 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airlines and Routes from the old Dhahran Airport
Replies: 17
Views: 2048

Re: Airlines and Routes from the old Dhahran Airport

Pan Am had nonstop JFK-DHA service with the 747SP in the late 70s/early 80s (flight numbers PA024 / 025)

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by panamair
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United to expand premium 767s to Switzerland
Replies: 60
Views: 10707

Re: United to expand premium 767s to Switzerland

UA carries a lot of premium traffic up front. The coach cabin varies wildly. On some days, it is packed. Other days, it is less than 50%. That in general is the profile of the Swiss (Switzerland, not LX) market - carriers need to serve it for the premium up front demand but the back is difficult es...

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by panamair
Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/21/2019: AA Reduces MYR;WC Adds DAL;MAX Cuts
Replies: 69
Views: 9098

Re: OAG Changes 7/21/2019: AA Reduces MYR;WC Adds DAL;MAX Cuts

Wow, AA seems to be really struggling in SEA. They cut SEA-JFK entirely just a few weeks back.. Now SEA-PHL just has a single redeye left. Actually, JFK-SEA hasn't (yet) been entirely cut. They have a bizarre schedule where it comes back on 3 Nov 2019 and runs for up to two flights a day until 20 N...

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by panamair
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 702
Views: 87009

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019

My United Airlines flight attendant neighbor just told me that United is opening a flight attendant base here at SAN! "I'm one of the lucky 125!" were her exact words. Has anyone else heard anything about this? And which airlines have a flight attendant base here? Yes, UA is opening a sma...

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by panamair
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 702
Views: 87009

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019

Hold on there a minute pardner. I don't know that SAN-JFK is cancelled permanently ; the MAX grounding, per AA, is extended now up THRU November plus someone on that thread mentioned that the runway work at JFK is scheduled to go thru October. (Today's edition of the OAG thread shows AA JFK-SAN can...

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by panamair
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Zurich Airport’s hub status is “at risk”, Lufthansa CEO warns
Replies: 20
Views: 8170

Re: Zurich Airport’s hub status is “at risk”, Lufthansa CEO warns

And I agree with the OP; at first glance I fail to see how adjusting flights by 25 minutes will reduce LX long-haul destinations from 45 down to under 10. I am sure there is some hyperbole in there but his comments aren’t entirely out of line. Currently LX has some late night long hauls at 2240-224...

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by panamair
Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at LHR
Replies: 63
Views: 12023

Re: Delta at LHR

Seems Delta is pulling the A330 out of LHR and reverting to the smaller B767-400 from the end of the summer? What’s the rationale on that one? Most of the A330s to LHR today are the A330-200 which seat 234 pax total; the refurbished 764s going to LHR starting this winter will seat 238 in total, so ...

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by panamair
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Air Lines posts better-than-expected June quarter results
Replies: 40
Views: 7130

Re: Delta Air Lines posts better-than-expected June quarter results

During the Q and A they mentioned that BOS will be expanded to about 200 daily flights. Didn't realize they were going beyond 170 or so. Can terminal A handle that many flights in a single days worth of ops or will they have to start using hard stands and busses? Mike Linenberg Yes. Hey. Good morni...

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by panamair
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 835
Views: 162008

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

The fleet section of the Delta app states that the D1 Suite on the 339 has a seat width of 29 in, while the D1 seat on the refurbished 764 has a seat width of 20 in. Comparing photos, the D1 Suite on the 339 appears to be the exact same seat as the new D1 product for the refurbished 764, but with s...

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by panamair
Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1681
Views: 209706

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

On today's Delta Q2 2019 Earnings call, Glen Hauenstein indicated that Delta's medium term target is about 200 flights a day out of BOS, targeted to be achieved in the next 18-24 months...beyond that, it will depend on how the market grows, etc.

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by panamair
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATH and AA will it grow?
Replies: 58
Views: 9083

Re: ATH and AA will it grow?

Some load factors in the NYC-ATH market based on T100 data in 2018: FULL YEAR 2018 EK EWR-ATH 79.6% EK ATH-EWR 80.5% EK both directions: 80.03% WINTER months (Jan, Feb, Mar, Nov, Dec) EK EWR-ATH 73.1% EK ATH-EWR 69.2% EK both directions: 71.1% SUMMER months (Apr - Oct) DL JFK-ATH 92.8% DL ATH-JFK 89...

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by panamair
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 835
Views: 162008

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Looks like SEA-PVG on the A330NEO is starting tomorrow. About five days early. I saw that! I can't believe that no one has done a cabin reveal on this, considering the reconfigured A330 will be the most common international ride for the next 20 years at DL. Has anyone seen anything? Some pics of th...

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by panamair
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta adds JFK - IAH
Replies: 36
Views: 7364

Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Nice find, OP! Looks like it will be 2x daily on the A220 starting with the new winter schedule on Oct 27, 2019:

DL2395 JFK 0800 IAH 1119
DL1921 JFK 1455 IAH 1814

DL2395 IAH 1158 JFK 1622
DL1921 IAH 1822 JFK 2245

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by panamair
Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 21098

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

So there will still be a salad course and the pre-meal full bar service with beverage snack? Not sure how the drinks will run but I was referring to the main meal service. Today, there is only a salad serving as the 'appetizer' on the tray, not both an appetizer and a salad. So there will still be ...

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by panamair
Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.
Replies: 95
Views: 11124

Re: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.

And for those who have been criticizing Delta for not cancelling flights but delaying them significantly, one side benefit of that is that it provides extra capacity/option for disrupted passengers especially in these periods of 90+% load factors. When airlines are running such high load factors, a ...

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by panamair
Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 21098

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

Currently they hand out a full-size bottle of water just after takeoff. Perhaps the welcome cocktail is replacing this? That would be a mistake in my opinion, since even though there is frequent water service throughout the flight, it's nice to have the bottle for in between. Full-size water bottle...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 21098

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

I'll give it to Delta, that's some masterful marketing. Delta is just the latest airline to adopt the meal service pioneered by Qantas about 5 years ago and since adopted by several others, most recently Etihad. It's a passenger unfriendly move as it reduces the amount of food. What I find particul...

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by panamair
Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders
Replies: 50
Views: 14682

Re: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders

I think this is a bad situation for KLM, though they are most likely in favour of it now. The KLM fleet and their seating offering makes them outsiders in the TransAtlantic partnership. (?Alitalia, Air France/KLM, Delta and Virgin Atlantic) AF/KLM is really making KLM the budget Airline of the grou...

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by panamair
Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 835
Views: 162008

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Is the rest area on the 76T for the flight attendants or a second pair of pilots? On the 76T, the pilots have their own rest bunks in the cabin in the forward Y section while the flight attendant bunks are below deck at the tail of the aircraft. Because the pilots have their separate rest area on t...

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by panamair
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Completes First Boeing 767-400 Cabin Refurbishment
Replies: 66
Views: 15879

Re: Delta Completes First Boeing 767-400 Cabin Refurbishment

Delta put out a press release today about the refurbished 764s and mentioned other routes which will be getting this reconfigured plane. It also looks like almost all of them will be done by Q2 2020 since the flights/routes mentioned pretty much account for the 21 frames: https://news.delta.com/delt...

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by panamair
Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 835
Views: 162008

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Dang! I wouldn’t be surprised if LHR goes all-764 by S20. I would be. I'm not sure they need the added capacity into MSP/SLC/PDX. I could expect DTW-LHR to be featured in the next batch of routes for the new 764. It’s currently served by the A332. The A332 has 234 seats, while the new 764 has 238 s...

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by panamair
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Completes First Boeing 767-400 Cabin Refurbishment
Replies: 66
Views: 15879

Re: Delta Completes First Boeing 767-400 Cabin Refurbishment

The photos in the linked article are the same artist renditions from a few months ago when they first announced LHR would be the first market; hopefully we will get some real photos soon with the return of N828MH stateside.

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by panamair
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 455
Views: 86521

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Yep. JFK-LHR and BOS-LHR start in November. Well they just loaded the refurbished 764s into the schedule; currently it looks like: DL001 JFK-LHR start Nov 1 DL058 BOS-LHR start Nov 20 DL408 JFK-ZRH start Dec 8 DL003 JFK-LHR start Jan 10 Oops, my mistake, DL001 JFK-LHR is starting Nov 16, not Nov 1.

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by panamair
Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 455
Views: 86521

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

NateGreat wrote:
Yep. JFK-LHR and BOS-LHR start in November.


Well they just loaded the refurbished 764s into the schedule; currently it looks like:

DL001 JFK-LHR start Nov 1
DL058 BOS-LHR start Nov 20
DL408 JFK-ZRH start Dec 8
DL003 JFK-LHR start Jan 10

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by panamair
Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL CEO Says SLC-ICN "On Our Drawing Board"
Replies: 69
Views: 7726

Re: DL CEO Says SLC-ICN "On Our Drawing Board"

Wasn't that more than a decade ago -- at least for Kiev, Bucharest and Cairo? Didn't Delta acquire those routes when it purchased Pan Am? No, Pan Am never flew to Kiev and was not flying to Cairo when the Delta acquisition happened In 1991. OTP was served but only from FRA; Delta later started JFK-...

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by panamair
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Buys a 4.3% Stake in Korean Air
Replies: 43
Views: 6176

Re: Delta Buys a 4.3% Stake in Korean Air

Why? China is excluded from the KE JV. There is still significant value to the Chinese market with China Eastern. Plus China Eastern is the dominant carrier in the most lucrative Chinese market - Shanghai - and is about to become the second largest carrier at the new Beijing Daxing airport, thus gi...

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by panamair
Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 6/9/2019:AC PSP-YYC Out;AS PAE-PSP Add;DL JFK-KEF Cut;NK EWR-RSW/TPA Add,MCO-PTY Out;SY LAS-LAX/PHX Add
Replies: 66
Views: 11059

Re: OAG Changes 6/9/2019:AC PSP-YYC Out;AS PAE-PSP Add;DL JFK-KEF Cut;NK EWR-RSW/TPA Add,MCO-PTY Out;SY LAS-LAX/PHX Add

Thanks as always for your Sunday post always look forward to them. For DL I’m surprised they are making there JFK-KEF route seasonal especially since WOW Air ceases Operations. I’m curious as to why they are going this route. Tangentially related, unnoticed in last week’s update was DL going from s...

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by panamair
Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 484
Views: 74029

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Ishrion wrote:

JFK-ATH seems feasible. Are there any other carriers on the route? Delta I think?


Yes, DL has 2x daily A333 during the peak summer

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by panamair
Sun May 19, 2019 3:44 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?
Replies: 111
Views: 13519

Re: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?

FlyBitcoin wrote:

I think PEK, SIN, MNL are all on the chopping block..


Beijing should be fine as the new airport in Daxing - PKX - will be a large MU hub.

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by panamair
Sat May 18, 2019 11:24 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?
Replies: 111
Views: 13519

Re: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?

Any potential return will not happen for at least another few years unless there is a dramatic change in the market dynamics etc. They don’t just close up a station without having considered the alternatives already (e.g., a flight from LAX or JFK or another hub). All you need to do is to look at ot...

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by panamair
Thu May 16, 2019 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 786
Views: 137866

Re: US-Japan agree on additional Haneda slots; DOT to allocate

Order to show cause is out! https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2019-0014-0079 Tentative allocations: AA: DFW (1x), LAX DL: SEA, DTW, ATL, PDX, HNL (1x) HA: HNL (1x) UA: EWR, ORD, IAD, LAX Surprised that PDX got service and not MSP Delta already flies HND-MSP now with the 777. It also op...

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by panamair
Tue May 14, 2019 5:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 835
Views: 162008

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

A lot of historically 767 routes will be getting the A330 next year: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/284311/delta-s20-long-haul-changes-as-of-12may19/ A330's being freed up as refurbished 764's come online. DL has already hinted (around the time of the JetBlue TATL service announc...

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by panamair
Sun May 05, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM
Replies: 1013
Views: 147733

Re: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM

The difference is between a bus service and airline service at its best in Y. Some things to note on EK - superlative flight entertainment system, multilingual crew (on a typical flight that are flight attendants that speak a combined at least 10 languages -- they mention all the languages on take ...

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