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by panamair
Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A333 flying DL295 ATL-HND today
Replies: 9
Views: 3002

Re: A333 flying DL295 ATL-HND today

Tangential, but this raises an interesting question: How exactly are they blocking seats (for COVID) on a 2x4x2 configuration? I can't imagine they're doing 1x2x1, but I don't know that for fact. Could it be that the resultant payload reduction from that alone, is sufficient to allow this variant (...

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by panamair
Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

jplatts wrote:
panamair wrote:
LAX nonstop to
CDG
Suspended: AMS


While DL has suspended LAX-AMS nonstop service, KL still has plans to serve AMS nonstop from LAX in Summer 2021.


Yes, I was only counting DL metal here. In fact, KL has been operating AMS-LAX almost continuously during the crisis.

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by panamair
Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Still waiting for details on what this new, smaller DL will look like. Well you can already get a glimpse of what S21 would look like for TATL with the schedule changes from this weekend. Of course S21 is a long time away and schedules will be continually modified, but it does give you an indicatio...

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by panamair
Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Still waiting for details on what this new, smaller DL will look like. Well you can already get a glimpse of what S21 would look like for TATL with the schedule changes from this weekend. Of course S21 is a long time away and schedules will be continually modified, but it does give you an indicatio...

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by panamair
Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Still waiting for details on what this new, smaller DL will look like. I suspect these changes will be more evolutionary (in reaction to the pandemic and rate of recovery in various parts of the world) rather than revolutionary. In the meantime, here are the latest DL's Winter, 2020-21 schedule red...

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by panamair
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Just wait. There's going to be a lot of secondary Europe cut with the 767 being retired. The A330 is way too big. Gotta wonder if there’s going to now be a niche for the 321XLR. Delta will already have an A321neo fleet, so XLR isn’t a whole different beast, and it’ll nicely slot in to replace Intl ...

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by panamair
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I was surprised to see ATLDUS closed indefinitely. I thought ATL-DUS and ATL-STR both were probably dependent of contracts with the German car companies (Mercedes and Porsche) basing their American headquarters in Atlanta. I wonder if this means those companies have told Delta to expect considerabl...

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by panamair
Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA & B6 announce Northeast Partnership
Replies: 323
Views: 40504

Re: AA & B6 announce Northeast Partnership

What B6 and AA had a decade ago was nothing like what they are now proposing. There were only a select number of city pairs you could purchase on AA's website (and not all had to do with JFK, like DCA-BOS). They were all sold as B6 flights. And you earned a flat 500 miles per flight. There was no a...

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by panamair
Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 8/4/2020:SEPTEMBER SLIDE;AA Drops LAX-YVR;AM Drops AUS;AS Adds SAN-SBA;
Replies: 68
Views: 14562

Re: OAG Changes 8/4/2020:SEPTEMBER SLIDE;AA Drops LAX-YVR;AM Drops AUS;AS Adds SAN-SBA;

Thanks as always for your work on this! DL JFK-MEX SEP 1.0>3[2] OCT 1.0>3[2] DL LAX-MEX SEP 1.0>3[4] OCT 1.0>3[4] This feels somewhat bullish given DL's trends..? Am I missing something? I don't see anything that AM filed this week that would point to those locations shifting traffic to DL's metal....

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by panamair
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am questions
Replies: 51
Views: 8080

Re: Pan Am questions

Between 1971-1975 I'd say was Pan Am's height. It is interesting you seem to mention Pan Am’s peak was during the fuel crisis, when the world was over the barrel and at the mercy of OPEC. I like to think of Pan Am at its peak with the merger of National. It’s just a shame PA was never able to profi...

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by panamair
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

LGA - This is the interesting one. Northeast demand is way down. I mean way down. They are non-existent for these places close by. They were at 54 departures yesterday. And they are regularly at close to 270. They'd need probably at 240 to meet their slot usage requirements. When is slot waiver goi...

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by panamair
Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Just went through DL's international long-haul schedule for August; rather interesting to see what other destinations have popped up in August in addition to the usual AMS/CDG; also, hardly any 767s flying long-haul international, with the A333 as the main TATL workhorse: Transatlantic (Europe/Israe...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Q2 2020 Earnings Thread
Replies: 17
Views: 3620

Re: JetBlue Q2 2020 Earnings Thread

Looks like they are just waiting to capture demand when it comes back while their competitors cut back in NYC. But even JetBlue can't make non-existent demand appear. DL and UA chopped their schedules too much during the April/May timeframe which gave AA, WN and B6 an opening. But both DL and UA ha...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/28/2020:SLOW BLEED;AA Cuts LAX-EUG/FAT/MFR/RDM/SAN/SDF,LGA-TYS,ORD-SCE;DL Drops HAV/TGU/BOS Shrinks
Replies: 117
Views: 20493

Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2020:SLOW BLEED;AA Cuts LAX-EUG/FAT/MFR/RDM/SAN/SDF,LGA-TYS,ORD-SCE;DL Drops HAV/TGU/BOS Shrinks

I don't mean to be critical, but checking the B6 and DL changes, these are mostly September figures. And AA's numbers are also somewhat out-of-whack. For example, AA LGA-MIA showing at 9x for August - is actually 4x. Also, a lot of the AA LGA and JFK drops for August don't seem to be showing up; for...

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by panamair
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1101
Views: 171961

Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020

Taking a look at how many flights they are running right now for Today after these recent cancellations. JFK - 90, DL - 38, AA - 23 BOS - 77, DL - 28, AA - 41 EWR - 24, UA - 124 FLL - 40, WN - 42, NK - 53 Taking a look at late August. JFK - 87 BOS - 83 EWR - 28 So basically running about same numbe...

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by panamair
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1101
Views: 171961

Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2020

Taking a look at how many flights they are running right now for Today after these recent cancellations. JFK - 90, DL - 38, AA - 23 BOS - 77, DL - 28, AA - 41 EWR - 24, UA - 124 FLL - 40, WN - 42, NK - 53 Taking a look at late August. JFK - 87 BOS - 83 EWR - 28 So basically running about same numbe...

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by panamair
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1452
Views: 204858

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

From JonNYC on twitter on August cuts, It's like NYC demand is heading back to April level, makes me sad. Look at the hot spots. Look at the states from which NY State has set arrival quarantine. Drop that demand off from typical NYC demand: The full, updated list of states on the travel advisory i...

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by panamair
Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 261
Views: 45314

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
I find it interesting DL is continuing to fly LAX-SYD, considering QF isn't flying to the US and it's damn near impossible for anyone other than an Australian citizen to get into OZ right now.


It's primarily for the cargo; pre-crisis, the flight was already a good cargo performer anyway.

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by panamair
Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 261
Views: 45314

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

rjbesikof wrote:
What Intl routes is Delta reinstating in August?
I know Atlanta and LAX to HND. Any others?


So far, 1x daily JFK-LHR and 3x weekly JFK-MXP as well.

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by panamair
Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19
Replies: 337
Views: 40915

Re: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19

As I mentioned earlier in the week, close-in bookings are climbing back to late June levels, hence the reason there have been no July schedule cuts: Actually, there are some going on right now in some of the weaker markets. AA has started chopping some NYC and LAX flights starting next week (from 2...

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by panamair
Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Q2 result
Replies: 22
Views: 4661

Re: WN Q2 result

Ooops. Yes, I meant quarter. I hear what you are saying about lack of international exposure, but the Big 3 weren't running many international routes in Q2. Looking back at Delta's Q2 earnings call transcript, they did break out their cash burn of $27m/day in June to be $17m domestic and $10m inter...

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by panamair
Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 2020 Q2 results
Replies: 56
Views: 11421

Re: AA Q2 results

The revenue breakdown by geographic region for the quarter was also interesting: Domestic: AA: $1.026 billion DL: $564m UA: $542m Atlantic: DL: $64m UA: $57m AA: $42m Pacific: UA: $34m DL: $32m AA: $6m Latin: UA: $48m AA: $34m DL: $18m - Latin is interesting in that UA collected more revenue than th...

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by panamair
Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 2020 Q2 results
Replies: 56
Views: 11421

Re: AA Q2 results

Am I mistaken (or) Is it true that AA’s loss is smaller than DL’s for Q2 even after excluding special items (like investment/fleet writedowns)? $2.7B vs $3.9B. The $2.7B you have for AA is the GAAP pre-tax Loss. If you look at Adjusted (Non-GAAP) losses (i.e., taking out the investment and fleet re...

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by panamair
Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 2020 Q2 results
Replies: 56
Views: 11421

Re: AA Q2 results

Their average cash burn for Q2 seems high IMO @ $55M. IIRC, it was $40M for DL and $30M for UA. I think you may have mixed up some of the metrics here. There are two types of cash burn numbers being reported: 1) Average daily cash burn for Q2 (so this is the average across the 3 months Apr - June):...

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by panamair
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1452
Views: 204858

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

ZRH and Switzerland in general is a small and specialized market; it is a difficult market for most non-Star Alliance carriers due to the strength of the home carrier as well as the 'boutique' nature of the market. The back is usually difficult to fill on a year-round basis as it is an expensive tou...

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by panamair
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175594

Re: Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

It was always a bit of a risky strategy to be so dependent on the US market. Before they used to be more diversified, with flights to Hong Kong, Shanghai, Cape Town etc. It's a shame they didn't keep that up. How is having flights to HKG, PVG and CPT now in a Covid world going to help VS? You reali...

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by panamair
Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - July 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 8225

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - July 2020

This kind of slipped through a few days ago. I don't know how big the impact is, but apparently the US is now relaxing the Schengen/UK/Ireland travel ban a little by allowing in certain student visas, academics, specialists, senior business leaders/execs etc: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/us...

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by panamair
Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175594

Re: Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

Also, a big immigration message there, with suspending current visa for highly skilled workers. This kind of slipped through the last few days, but apparently the US is now allowing some students (on certain types of student visas), specialized workers, academics, senior business leaders and execut...

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by panamair
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 261
Views: 45314

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

LGA ~90 departures Looks like LGA is getting back nonstops to MKE, MEM, MSY, CHS, ORF and SDF. Also reductions to Florida, and frequency increases for CLE, CMH, CVG, IND, RIC, ORD, DFW, IAH and CLT. JFK appears to get DCA, BNA and JAX nonstops back, with some frequency reductions to Florida as well.

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by panamair
Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA & B6 announce Northeast Partnership
Replies: 323
Views: 40504

Re: AA & B6 announce Northeast Partnership

B6 is the big winner here; they didn't have to give up a thing and got a lot more out of this than AA. IMO, for AA, this is a last ditch attempt to salvage what they have left in NYC and not be completely cast out of the lucrative market. The benefit for AA is that their FFers in NYC can (presumably...

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by panamair
Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

so how was the fleet before the pandemic and how its going to be after this retirements ? B717: YE2019: 91 Current: 47 in-service, 44 in temp storage Projection: With the exception of a few owned frames, the fleet is leased. Unverified rumors circulated several months ago about perhaps making a dea...

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by panamair
Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Delta published their Q2 2020 10Q today and it looks like the 'partial retirement' of the 763ER and A320 fleet includes 7 763ERs and 10 A320s. The impairment charges for these 17 planes were already accounted for in the Q2 results: ".....In the June 2020 quarter we recorded impairment charges o...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta airlines Q2 2020 earnings thread
Replies: 128
Views: 14641

Re: DAL Q2 2020 earnings thread

Some notes from the earnings call and Q&A: - expect Q3 2020 revenues to be 20-25% of Q3 2019; compared to Q2 2020 at around 10% of Q2 2019 - June average daily cash burn rate of $27m; July is around the same number and expect this to continue into August at this $20-30m level despite adding more...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175594

Virgin Atlantic secures rescue package

Looks like Virgin Atlantic has managed to secure a US$1.25bn rescue package through private funding: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/virgin-atlantic-set-1-25-111352881.html Both Branson’s and Delta’s equity holdings (51% and 49% respectively) will not be diluted. Delta did not contribute any cash tow...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - July 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 8225

Re: Airlines practicing social distancing in their cabins

Just a reminder that the middle seat is 22 inches and you still have people front and back. Social distance in a commercial airplane is an oxymoron in my opinion.. As it bears repeating many times, none of these measures is intended to work alone to reduce or eliminate risk. It’s all these layers (...

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by panamair
Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - July 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 8225

Re: Airlines practicing social distancing in their cabins

In the US currently, four airlines have policies to block middle seats and impose seating capacity limits: Delta, Southwest, JetBlue and Alaska.

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by panamair
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/12/2020:EVOLUTION;NK Cuts Aug;AA Reshapes PHL;B6 LAX Swap;DL Closes YEG;EI Out of MSP;DE Cuts SEA-MUC
Replies: 114
Views: 24295

Re: OAG Changes 7/12/2020:AFTERMATH;NK Cuts Aug;AA Reshapes PHL;B6 LAX Swap;DL Closes YEG;EI Out of MSP;DE Cuts SEA-MUC

People keep saying that, but I think it has more to do with the U.S. infection rate making EU countries unwilling to allow entry. There are probably 30+ countries not allowing Americans where there is no reverse ban. Actually the US implemented a ban on all non-US citizens residents coming from the...

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by panamair
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/12/2020:EVOLUTION;NK Cuts Aug;AA Reshapes PHL;B6 LAX Swap;DL Closes YEG;EI Out of MSP;DE Cuts SEA-MUC
Replies: 114
Views: 24295

Re: OAG Changes 7/12/2020:AFTERMATH;NK Cuts Aug;AA Reshapes PHL;B6 LAX Swap;DL Closes YEG;EI Out of MSP;DE Cuts SEA-MUC

People keep saying that, but I think it has more to do with the U.S. infection rate making EU countries unwilling to allow entry. There are probably 30+ countries not allowing Americans where there is no reverse ban. Actually the US implemented a ban on all non-US citizens residents coming from the...

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by panamair
Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 2590
Views: 467700

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

So United supposedly warned about needing to potentially lay off up to 45% of the workforce today: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/united-eyes-mass-layoffs-that-may-impact-up-to-36000-workers-150451961.html They say that 3,700 have taken the packages, but they may still need to let go of up to 15000 ...

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by panamair
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am questions
Replies: 51
Views: 8080

Re: Pan Am questions

Yes, they had JNB-GIG mostly with the 707. When was this? My research of 60s and daily 70s timetables only showed JNB via Africa. Thanks. Composite map representing late 60s here: http://www.simairline.net/panamerican/routemap_global.gif Here’s an example from W77/78 (scroll quite a bit down in the...

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by panamair
Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am questions
Replies: 51
Views: 8080

Re: Pan Am questions

Some interesting insights here from 1977. (The height of Pan Am?) https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/261647/197778-panam-routes/ Looks like all Australia services were via Fiji/Hawaii/New Zealand. I do remember my grandmother, in the mid 1970s, flying PA MEL to NAN vv, so they must h...

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by panamair
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am questions
Replies: 51
Views: 8080

Re: Pan Am questions

With their numerous fifth freedom route authorities I wondered if PAA ever flew scheduled non stop service between cities in S America and NZ or Australia, what about between S Africa and S America ? Perhaps with the 747SP ? Yes, they had JNB-GIG mostly with the 707. Other out of the ordinary route...

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by panamair
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1944
Views: 337326

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Coexstud wrote:
Surprised no one mentined it Delta closing inflight bases HNL, CVG no suprise tbh and SFO.


Just look upthread...btw, HNL, CVG, and SFO are being transitioned from full FA bases to AFP (or 'satellite') bases. In turn, there are some AFP bases that are actually closing (e.g., SAN).

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by panamair
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 2590
Views: 467700

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Just reading some of the comments here about onboard social distancing. If you really think having a middle seat free between you on a flight makes it oh so much safer, then i really don't understand where you have been for the last few month, but it clearly wasn't listening to any of the science. ...

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by panamair
Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020
Replies: 182
Views: 18361

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

https://www.businessinsider.com/europe-travel-ban-americans-eu-coronavirus-final-2020-6 Well, it's confirmed. We will see if any member countries go ahead and lift the ban on Americans. I kind of doubt they will since most leisure travel demand still comes from fellow EU countries. So, I think some...

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by panamair
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72181

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Interesting one-off DL A359 routing: 25 Jun 2020 DTW - SOF DL8963 A359 N504DN 26 Jun 2020 SOF - KWI DL8962 A359 N504DN 27 Jun 2020 KWI - SOF DL8822 A359 N504DN 28 Jun 2020 SOF - NUE DL8823 A359 N504DN 28 Jun 2020 NUE - SVN DL8962 A359 N504DN 28 Jun 2020 SVN - DTW DL8824 A359 N504DN https://www.flig...

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by panamair
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Question about Pan Am's A310-200s
Replies: 77
Views: 10342

Re: Question about Pan Am's A310-200s

When specifically are you talking about? At the end their focus was basically MIA and rebuilding from there. Before that is was primarily JFK and Europe. Someone referenced a 1990s fleet plan What was the 1990s network supposed to look like if they didnt meltdown in 1991 Depends on what is your sta...

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by panamair
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: American Airlines, Air Canada and Westjet end COVID-19 seat blocking
Replies: 20
Views: 1270

Re: American Airlines, Air Canada and Westjet end COVID-19 seat blocking

It’s simple common sense. Blocking middle seats and not selling to capacity means fewer pax on the plane. Fewer people on the plane means fewer chances of catching something!

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by panamair
Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 2590
Views: 467700

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Leaving the middle seat open is just optics anyway. If you’re willing to fly, you’re ok with the risks.. Sorry but I don’t agree. Every single one of these measures by itself is not a 100% solution to avoid catching the virus; however, they all help towards reducing the risk of infection and/or ris...

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