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by evank516
Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Major security delays at MSP
Replies: 9
Views: 2221

Re: Major security delays at MSP

Just flew out of MSP today. Went through at around 9 AM, Pre-Check line was not bad at all. The regular line, on the other hand, didn't look so good.

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by evank516
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 50
Views: 5551

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2019

Trying to fly to MSN in November via DTW, over $1,000 round trip. Robbery. Anyways, I heard something about CWA getting new jetways installed?

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by evank516
Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ending contract with GoJet, Compass
Replies: 151
Views: 20715

Re: Somewhat confirmed: Delta ending contract with GoJet, Compass

Skywest isn't going to be getting out of DTW & MSP, they are heavily entrenched within the core operations of these hubs. The intent is to get OO out of JFK/LGA/BOS. Actually, I have heard the 175's will be leaving those airports soon. That would make sense, but the OO CR2s aren't going to be l...

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by evank516
Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Polling On Which City To Send A380 To (ORD, SEA, TPA, DFW)
Replies: 92
Views: 10829

Re: Lufthansa Polling On Which City To Send A380 To (ORD, SEA, TPA, DFW)

Maybe the "losers" in this poll are the cities being considered for the 2 new MUC routes and possible Eurowings routes that LH is going to be announcing. Maybe ORD for the A380, SEA and DFW get Munich, and TPA for Eurowings. DFW and SEA being the two new routes doesn't sound far fetched a...

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by evank516
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Destination 225
Replies: 8
Views: 1617

Re: Southwest Airlines Destination 225

Waiting for DL to start something for people off the street, but how does one financially support themselves while in training?

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by evank516
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

That way of thinking presumes there's incremental demand at fares DL is willing to chase. DL operates (tomorrow) LGA-MCI with 5x E75/CR9. WN has 2x LGA-MCI. UA is the only carrier EWR-MCI with 3x E70 and 1x 319. Both DL and UA going to want to maintain frequency to promote hub connections. ITA Matr...

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by evank516
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United forms partnership with Clear
Replies: 34
Views: 4546

Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Hopefully it goes into T2 in ORD since UA Express flies out of there. It'll help me when I fly in and out of there.

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by evank516
Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: (Rumor) FI not returning to MCI in 2020?
Replies: 25
Views: 3808

Re: (Rumor) FI not returning to MCI in 2020?

KMCI will probably always have issues attracting a TATL carriers as there are so many options to connect on the way to Europe such as ORD, YYZ, NYC, PHL and others. Even though DL and WN both serve LGA nonstop from MCI, MCI is located in one of the largest markets that doesn't currently have any no...

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by evank516
Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 270
Views: 33668

Re: WN to close EWR

The problem with WN closing EWR is that they will have no way of getting back in down the road unless they make an acquisition or something. It's a big deal for any station outside of perimeter or even places like BNA where they are attempting to build up. Yup, no more ability to serve AUS, LAS, PH...

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by evank516
Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History of UA at JFK
Replies: 32
Views: 3563

Re: History of UA at JFK

If UA were to re-enter JFK, where would they do it from? SFO? Definitely SFO and LAX and probably nothing else. That was all that was left in the last few years, and those are probably the only markets that would matter for UA. Dropping JFK didn't mean too much for many of UA's NYC frequent flyers,...

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by evank516
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL
Replies: 189
Views: 13702

Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on. I'm always amazed at how smokers...

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by evank516
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL
Replies: 189
Views: 13702

Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on. I'm always amazed at how smokers...

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by evank516
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL
Replies: 189
Views: 13702

Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

AirKevin wrote:
evank516 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Then, how did us non-smokers learn to have calm nerves?

By going to the bar

And what about the non-smokers and non-drinkers. :duck:


You mean .0001% of the population?? :lol:

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by evank516
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL
Replies: 189
Views: 13702

Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

As a smoker I'm disappointed. This made connecting in ATL a lot less of a headache. I get the reasoning behind it, but I never notice the smell leaking out of the rooms at all. Don't see why they need to get rid of them. People smoke, they're going to keep smoking whether the rooms are there or not...

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by evank516
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL
Replies: 189
Views: 13702

Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

As a smoker I'm disappointed. This made connecting in ATL a lot less of a headache. I get the reasoning behind it, but I never notice the smell leaking out of the rooms at all. Don't see why they need to get rid of them. People smoke, they're going to keep smoking whether the rooms are there or not,...

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by evank516
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

LGA-MCI, MKE, STL, BNA, IND, RDU are probably next in line. Secondary might be LGA-MSN, OMA, RSW, JAX, EYW, and MAYBE DSM? From SLC I can see the 220 going on SLC-BUR and LGB. I don't see those being that important to add, other than RDU, and maybe STL and BNA. LGA-MCI/IND/MKE/e.t.c have weak compe...

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by evank516
Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Disney launching their own airline?
Replies: 168
Views: 23951

Re: Disney launching their own airline?

santi319 wrote:
And flying to LGA using what slots exactly? #fakenews


This. It's as if they automatically assume they'll gain access to LaGuardia with no problem.

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by evank516
Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019
Replies: 61
Views: 4893

Re: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019

Came into DAB tonight and DL has relocated from Gate 2 to 6 (still at 4), which appears to be tied to the upcoming renovation. I still can't believe Silver skipped town so quickly. They painted a PLANE to promote the service and left in 6 months. Works out since Sunwing is on Hiatus. I'm pretty pis...

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by evank516
Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019
Replies: 61
Views: 4893

Re: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019

Came into DAB tonight and DL has relocated from Gate 2 to 6 (still at 4), which appears to be tied to the upcoming renovation. I still can't believe Silver skipped town so quickly. They painted a PLANE to promote the service and left in 6 months. Works out since Sunwing is on Hiatus. I'm pretty pis...

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by evank516
Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B6 to move from HOU (Hobby) to IAH on Oct. 27th
Replies: 55
Views: 8231

Re: B6 to move from HOU (Hobby) to IAH on Oct. 27th

This is probably B6 trying to salvage their presence in Houston before they give up on flying there altogether. They've shown us that they're not afraid to close stations, and I personally don't see Houston in general lasting much longer for them.

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by evank516
Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New EWR Airtrain, New LGA AIRTRAIN, New EWR Terminal 2
Replies: 10
Views: 2374

Re: New EWR Airtrain, New LGA AIRTRAIN, New EWR Terminal 2

The LGA airtrain is nearly pointless. Goes to Willets Pt, the opposite side from Manhattan, only served by one LIRR line and the 7 train. A bus is still probably going to be faster for 95% of pax. In a perfect world it should have been planned for Woodside, but unfortunately nothing's perfect with ...

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by evank516
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possible Rumor: B6 ending CLT-JFK
Replies: 30
Views: 5831

Re: Possible Rumor: B6 ending CLT-JFK

Just to bring some facts here. This is from Q4 CityPair Dist CarrierBoard AvgFare NSFare ConnFare% NS PerFlight # Flights LF Yield JFKCLT 541 9E 18918 141.95 141.87 153.65 99.35% 76.00 298 83.54% 118.52 JFKCLT 541 AA 131410 162.65 161.88 242.21 99.05% 151.0 1016 85.66% 138.67 JFKCLT 541 B6 30123 15...

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by evank516
Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: JetBlue orders 13 A321XLR and 10 A223
Replies: 58
Views: 13996

Re: JetBlue In Talks for A321XLR

Well, here we go: http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investor-relations/press-releases/2019/06-20-2019-162857598 Interesting to see a top-up order for 10 A220's included in the press release. Yeah, I think it's more or less keeping in stride with supporting Airbus during the show in Paris. Frankly I'm a ...

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by evank516
Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 in Chicago 6/19/19
Replies: 49
Views: 7373

Re: Delta A220 in Chicago Today

I wouldn't be surprised to see LGA-ORD become a mix of A220s and 717s in the future. Like LGA-DFW/IAH it's a route with heavy competition from UA and AA, and with ORD being a hub for both of them, DL will probably want to use an upgraded product once they have enough in the fleet. In the meantime, I...

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by evank516
Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!
Replies: 140
Views: 17016

Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

Delta's Atlanta service is starting in 3 weeks. What gate are they planning on using for teir 73Gs? Can they use the gate they usually use for their RJs? I'm also wondering if SLC-BUR may see A220s in the future??

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by evank516
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Upgauges DFW-Key West to A319
Replies: 45
Views: 6831

Re: AA Upgauges DFW-Key West to A319

Yea but how many will be weight seats, DL just barley makes the 737 work to ATL with any kind of weather requiring an alternate, I can’t imagine how much DFW will take with the longer stage length... Not to mention the diversions to Miami whenever the runway is wet..... I can’t remember the last ti...

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by evank516
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Upgauges DFW-Key West to A319
Replies: 45
Views: 6831

Re: AA Upgauges DFW-Key West to A319

Both LUS & LAA 319s rotate throughout the system. There is no LAA or LUS base any longer. There are actually more LUS 319 movements in DFW each day than there are LAA. Internal system shows it is currently planned as a LAA 319. There are reportedly some planned improvements at EYW that made thi...

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by evank516
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Upgauges DFW-Key West to A319
Replies: 45
Views: 6831

Re: AA Upgauges DFW-Key West to A319

Should be LAA, these are the -115 models fitted with sharklets and the largest thrust producing CFM engines. They're also the only A319 fleet based in DFW. Both LUS & LAA 319s rotate throughout the system. There is no LAA or LUS base any longer. There are actually more LUS 319 movements in DFW ...

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by evank516
Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Upgauges DFW-Key West to A319
Replies: 45
Views: 6831

Re: AA Upgauges DFW-Key West to A319

I don't see how they are going to pull it off for the return flights. The -175 are weight restricted by 15 seats as it is. Even with CFM engines, sharklets, and ideal conditions, does the A319 have the performance? Doing a dummy booking for March, which I don't think anyone has bought tickets for t...

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by evank516
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Silver Airways to Suspend Service at DAB
Replies: 27
Views: 3715

Re: Silver Airways to Suspend Service at DAB

No you did say bookings, bookings does not equal load factors No, however strong bookings can imply that loads were decent. Sort of a logical inference. Hard numbers tell the truth .. nothing else matters ... what were the load factors .. I'd wager anemic I'd love it if someone could produce those ...

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by evank516
Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Silver Airways to Suspend Service at DAB
Replies: 27
Views: 3715

Re: Silver Airways to Suspend Service at DAB

crjflyboy wrote:
evank516 wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:

I've seen nothing regarding their load factors to FLL ... ANYWHERE

Sorry, should be bookings.


No you did say bookings, bookings does not equal load factors


No, however strong bookings can imply that loads were decent. Sort of a logical inference.

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by evank516
Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Silver Airways to Suspend Service at DAB
Replies: 27
Views: 3715

Re: Silver Airways to Suspend Service at DAB

Is Delta the only one to fly mainline into DAB? AA does it very selectively around the Daytona 500 in February. Sunwing's flights are technically mainline too. When AA doesn't even fly DAB-MIA to take advantage of Latin American and Caribbean destinations you have to accept that DAB-South Florida i...

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by evank516
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019
Replies: 61
Views: 4893

Re: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019

I heard PHL-MLB is going year round starting in December as well. Willing to bet LGA-DAB will follow suit.

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by evank516
Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Silver Airways to Suspend Service at DAB
Replies: 27
Views: 3715

Re: Silver Airways to Suspend Service at DAB

Is Delta the only one to fly mainline into DAB? AA does it very selectively around the Daytona 500 in February. Sunwing's flights are technically mainline too. DAB just can’t keep any airlines not named American or Delta! When AA doesn't even fly DAB-MIA to take advantage of Latin American and Cari...

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by evank516
Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 6/2/2019:3M Drops DAB-FLL;AA Adds DCA-AGS/ECP;DL Adds LGB-LAS;ET Suspends Routes?;WN Update
Replies: 56
Views: 8758

Re: OAG Changes 6/2/2019:3M Drops DAB-FLL;AA Adds DCA-AGS/ECP;DL Adds LGB-LAS;ET Suspends Routes?;WN Update

-DAB lost B6 to JFK but almost immediately picked up weekend AA to LGA. -The customer was meant to be cruise traffic, at least in part. The southbound flight got in around 10am and the return left at 8pm. It was also highly plausible that they could've drawn connecting traffic to the Caribbean/Lati...

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by evank516
Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 6/2/2019:3M Drops DAB-FLL;AA Adds DCA-AGS/ECP;DL Adds LGB-LAS;ET Suspends Routes?;WN Update
Replies: 56
Views: 8758

Re: OAG Changes 6/2/2019:3M Drops DAB-FLL;AA Adds DCA-AGS/ECP;DL Adds LGB-LAS;ET Suspends Routes?;WN Update

These cities had it coming; a loss of that size is not really as impactful as an airline loss at an airport of 4 airlines. That flight is one of ten year-round flights at the airport. Plus DAB just lost B6. IMO FLL-DAB was doomed to fail from the start due to the aircraft overnighting in DAB. Maybe...

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by evank516
Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 5/26/2019:AA Exits CLT-GDL,PHL-EYW/SRQ/MLB to daily;AV Exits MIA-SAL;SY Extension;UA Tweaks
Replies: 98
Views: 13730

Re: OAG Changes 5/26/2019:AA Exits CLT-GDL,PHL-EYW/SRQ/MLB to daily;AV Exits MIA-SAL;SY Extension;UA Tweaks

Winners for this week: EYW: 5 daily flights to CLT!!! (It’s about time). When is the mainline 737-700/A319 coming??? MSP: never seen this much growth from SY in one thread. JAN and SFB: not for gaining anything, but for being the only airports that could keep Via Air’s services. Losers for this wee...

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by evank516
Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 6/2/2019:3M Drops DAB-FLL;AA Adds DCA-AGS/ECP;DL Adds LGB-LAS;ET Suspends Routes?;WN Update
Replies: 56
Views: 8758

Re: OAG Changes 6/2/2019:3M Drops DAB-FLL;AA Adds DCA-AGS/ECP;DL Adds LGB-LAS;ET Suspends Routes?;WN Update

DAB is on a cold steak lately *3M DAB-FLL JUL 1.0>0.0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0] OCT 1.0>0[0] NOV 1.0>0[0] DEC 1.0>0[0] JAN 1.0>0[0.5] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] How poorly was that route doing for them to go through all that effort to brand a plane and sponsor the local baseball team only to ...

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by evank516
Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019
Replies: 61
Views: 4893

Re: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019

3M dropped DAB-FLL. That's a lot of effort to sponsor the Tortugas and paint a damn plane only to yank the route after 6 months. When? I should've said "is dropping". It hit the OAG today. When are they dropping it? This is just like them to do this. Pretty sure they pulled the same (or s...

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by evank516
Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019
Replies: 61
Views: 4893

Re: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019

DeltaRules wrote:
3M dropped DAB-FLL.

That's a lot of effort to sponsor the Tortugas and paint a damn plane only to yank the route after 6 months.


When?

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by evank516
Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

Imho i think it's easy to figure out where it's going by concentrating on the NYC, slc, sea routes that have jumbo RJs on them. Look at west coast routes with 717s. Start and stay there. Out of Atlanta we need upgauging not down. Dtw and msp will get the displaced 717 flying. LGA-MCI, MKE, STL, BNA...

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by evank516
Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

Imho i think it's easy to figure out where it's going by concentrating on the NYC, slc, sea routes that have jumbo RJs on them. Look at west coast routes with 717s. Start and stay there. Out of Atlanta we need upgauging not down. Dtw and msp will get the displaced 717 flying. LGA-MCI, MKE, STL, BNA...

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by evank516
Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

Vectoring back on-topic, does anyone here at Delta know what equipment will eventually replace all those MD-88s and 90s on the ATL-CLE route? With all the LCCs at CLE it's not a premium-heavy destination but the A220 would be equipment with the right capacity. It's almost eerie to fly to ATL aboard...

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by evank516
Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

I work at MKE for Delta and a few months ago we got 220 parking marking painted at the delta gates so maybe a MKE 220 route is possible in the future. Perhaps you'll see MKE-LGA/JFK? Or MKE-SEA... LGA-MKE seems realistic to me. I'm more surprised that the A220 hasn't been deployed on more routes ou...

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by evank516
Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

I'm more surprised that the A220 hasn't been deployed on more routes out of LGA/JFK that has an extensive portfolio of long, thin large RJ routes like LGA-STL/OMA/MCI. I thought they planned to use cities like those to route aircraft between east and west coast hubs? Even with 11 aircraft they have...

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by evank516
Fri May 31, 2019 3:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019
Replies: 61
Views: 4893

Re: North Central/East Coast Florida Thread - 2019

Runway 7L-25R was closed last week. Had to land on runway 16 this past Friday when I went down to visit. They actually warned us ahead of time of an abrupt landing which I've never witnessed before on flights to DAB when 7L-25R was closed. The only time I heard a short runway/abrupt landing warning ...

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by evank516
Fri May 31, 2019 3:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

If you think FAT-DTW is coming, you probably also believe in the Easter Bunny. DTW should, obviously, have service to every single commercial airport on the planet! If FAT-MSP and FAT-ATL can be brought up why not FAT-DTW Why should it be omitted as a suggestion ? Because FAT-DTW is not a logical a...

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by evank516
Fri May 31, 2019 12:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 344
Views: 22015

Re: Delta A220 route additions

I'm more surprised that the A220 hasn't been deployed on more routes out of LGA/JFK that has an extensive portfolio of long, thin large RJ routes like LGA-STL/OMA/MCI. I thought they planned to use cities like those to route aircraft between east and west coast hubs? Even with 11 aircraft they haven...

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by evank516
Sat May 18, 2019 10:42 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?
Replies: 111
Views: 13517

Re: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?

alfa164 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Of course it is. :roll:

He's actually right about this one. SEA didn't work and DTW is their other Asian gateway.


That doesn't make DTW "their best option" though...


But a logical one. He's right that DL does funnel a lot of passengers to Asia via DTW.

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by evank516
Sat May 18, 2019 10:30 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?
Replies: 111
Views: 13517

Re: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?

Of course it is. :roll: He's actually right about this one. SEA didn't work and DTW is their other Asian gateway. DTW is, but they arent flying it. Which means premier hub or not, DL does not currently feel that either a. They can make HKG work (and they have ample data) b. Deploying equipment on t...

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