I wonder with DL announcing BOS as a hub will BUF, ROC, SYR and ALB get service on Delta. If I am reading the schedule correctly BUF-BOS currently only has 1 daily on B6. ROC-BOS is 3 daily on AA using an E145. I wonder if this will deter DL from starting this route? ROC can probably support DL non...
Jump to postI see airports saying they have announcements Tomorrow could it be breeze tomorrow is one year since the first flight ? Which airports are you seeing? OKC I saw BUF but that seems to be Sun country so we wi see if others pop up. Today's announcement was AA adding LGA-AVL/EYW/LIT/TUL and JFK-BDA/MTY...
Jump to postAA has announced LGA-AVL/EYW/LIT/TUL nonstop service, which is being discussed at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1468675&view=unread#p23320199. Here are the Q4 2021 PDEW's out of NYC of the top remaining within-perimeter domestic destinations without nonstop service to LGA: NYC-...
Jump to postThere are some more adds (in addition to LGA-AVL/EYW/LIT/TUL) that AA could make out of LGA if AA still has enough slots, including LGA-BHM/DSM/GRR/GSP/MSN. BHM also doesn't currently have any nonstop service to EWR, whereas DSM has less-than-daily nonstop service to EWR on G4 and GRR/GSP/MSN have U...
Jump to postAlso, will WN ever expand? Do they have the slots to? WN has already ramped LGA back up to pre-pandemic levels on weekdays and Sundays, even with the cuts that WN has made at most of its other stations due to the operational issues that WN is currently facing. WN has more than enough room at LGA to...
Jump to postN292UX wrote:Maybe the launch of NYC service? AA to LGA may be in the cards considering their larger presence in TUL
If things were better at AS, I would have guessed AS, considering they serve OKC. AS SEA-TUL was my first guess also, but we iniw what a mess AS is right now. I agree that tomorrow's upcoming announcement is unlikely to be AS announcing service out of TUL with the operational issues that AS is curr...
Jump to postBut in CA this strategy isn’t practical with the likes of NK, F9 and now Avelo and Breeze all trying to expand there through opportunistic real estate openings (BUR, SNA, LAX, ONT). I had previously mentioned the possibility of WN making a few defensive adds out of OAK against possible MX adds out ...
Jump to postSpirit - Just has not gained traction ever since the meltdown last year. Although it was a decent jump from January LAX 68.5% - Continues to be best performer, even if this month wasn't great LAS 67% RSW 66.5% MCO 64% PHX 60.5% TPA 57.5% FLL 57% One issue that NK had in the STL market is that NK ST...
Jump to postI think that the upcoming announcement might be UA or MX adding TUL-SFO nonstop service with the lack of TUL-SFO nonstop service being one of the biggest holes in both markets.
Jump to postThere are more adds that WN could make at STL in order to provide additional connecting feed onto existing routes out of STL, including (a) the resumption of WN STL-ABQ/BHM/BDL/SDF/ORF/PBI nonstop service, (b) the addition of WN STL-CVG/IAH nonstop service, and (c) increased frequencies on WN STL-We...
Jump to postCVG-ORD/DFW/IAH/SFO/PHX/CUN/YYZ/PHL/CLT/RDU/BWI/BDL/STL/MCI will not be coming back on DL unless crew staffing issues are resolved, even if demand is getting stronger. DL is running significantly reduced schedules out of DTW/MSP and does not have the mainline capacity to backfill missing regional c...
Jump to postSince MIA and PHL have been added to the list. My 2 cents is AA is the best possibility here. PHL would be great for simple connections to a lot of east coast cities and Europe. Problem is any road warrior will tell you if there is a storm cloud within 10 miles of PHL, the delays can extend out hou...
Jump to postCVG-ORD/DFW/IAH/SFO/PHX/CUN/YYZ/PHL/CLT/RDU/BWI/BDL/STL/MCI will not be coming back on DL unless crew staffing issues are resolved, even if demand is getting stronger. DL is running significantly reduced schedules out of DTW/MSP and does not have the mainline capacity to backfill missing regional c...
Jump to postHere are the Q4 2021 PDEW's of the top contiguous U.S. markets traveled to from SAN that don't currently have WN nonstop service out of SAN: SAN-NYC - 1220 (WN previously served EWR nonstop from SAN, EWR no longer served by WN) SAN-SEA - 1125 (WN previously served SEA nonstop from SAN) SAN-BOS/PVD/M...
Jump to postHere are the Q4 2021 PDEW's of the top markets traveled from the San Francisco Bay Area that don't currently have WN nonstop service out of SFO/OAK/SJC: SF Bay Area-NYC - 3718 (WN previously served EWR nonstop from OAK, EWR is no longer served by WN) SF Bay Area-IAD/DCA/BWI - 1291 (WN previously ser...
Jump to postThis has been mentioned in previous earnings calls prior to serving Hawaii (so pre-2019). CA has always been one of WN’s “protect at all costs” markets. Their strategic decisions there support this (vying for as many slots at SNA and LGB, adding flights and/or expanding real estate at SJC/SMF, addi...
Jump to postDeltaRules wrote:What does any of this have to do with CVG-SFO?
It's long been discussed here that DL will likely wait to relaunch CVG-SFO until summer 2023 (similarly, they took the route off the schedule during 2021 and later reloaded it for June 2022). UA (or any other carrier) is well aware DL will relaunch the route the moment they try it (see AA/AS on CVG...
Jump to postryanrap1 wrote:Is anyone able to help with load factor information on F9 from LAS to SAT on June 11th?
Here are the Q4 2021 PDEW's of the top contiguous U.S. markets traveled to from AUS that aren't currently served nonstop out of AUS by AA: AUS-SFO/OAK/SJC - 906 (AA codeshares on AS AUS-SFO/SJC, WN serves OAK/SJC nonstop from AUS, UA serves SFO nonstop from AUS) AUS-ATL - 520 (DL/WN serve ATL nonsto...
Jump to postDTW might be able to support WN nonstop service to AUS with (a) NK no longer serving AUS nonstop from DTW, (b) DTW being one of the top remaining markets in the U.S. without WN nonstop service out of AUS, and (c) WN already serving AUS nonstop from a few other DL hub/focus cities such as ATL/LAX/MSP...
Jump to postIs 130 PDEW enough for a long route like that? I know it's an average and Q4 is not the busiest quarter. It seems a little light to me, not like Delta will get 100% of that even with a nonstop and even if a nonstop would stimulate demand. For comparison, CMH-SFO/OAK/SJC had a PDEW of 148 passengers...
Jump to postWhile MX doesn't currently serve CVG, CVG can likely support nonstop service to SFO on an airline other than DL with DL having already completely dropped CVG-SFO nonstop service and with the PDEW of CVG-SFO/OAK/SJC being 130 passengers/day in Q4 2021. MX adding CVG-SFO nonstop service is a possibili...
Jump to postDL has already completely dropped CVG-SFO nonstop service and pushed back the resumption of CVG-ORD/DFW nonstop service to 4/10/2023. Is DL likely to drop CVG-ORD/DFW nonstop service with DL having continued to push back the resumption date of these two routes and with DL having been off of these 2 ...
Jump to postDL has already completely dropped CVG-SFO nonstop service from its flight schedules and pushed back the resumption of CVG-ORD/DFW nonstop service to 4/10/2023. CVG can support the return of UA CVG-SFO nonstop service with DL having already completely dropped CVG-SFO nonstop service. The PDEW of CVG-...
Jump to postThere are a few more nonstop routes that WN could add out of SAT such as SAT-IND/PDX/RDU/SMF once WN has more staff.
Jump to postAlmost all of those flights are priced under $70, with many as low as $49. Given these crazy low fares in the current fuel environment and WNs operational issues and other cuts across the system, how is this remotely justifiable? Seems like way too much capacity? Similar shuttle type flights in the...
Jump to postRIC and ORF can probably support nonstop service to AUS on at least a less-than-daily basis with RIC and ORF being two of the top remaining markets in the contiguous U.S. that don't currently have any nonstop service to AUS. Here were the Q4 2021 PDEW's of AUS-RIC/ORF: AUS-RIC - 66 AUS-ORF/PHF - 53 ...
Jump to postBDL-AUS is one of the CAA (Connecticut Airport Authority) targets for non stop service. If Breeze begins service in AUS I could see them fly the route or potentially, B6 or NK. I'm not sure about that. 61 PDEW doesn't suggest a sustainable route. AUS-BDL is within the range of E-175 regional jets a...
Jump to postLet’s hope they keep rebuilding their network throughout the year as opposed to only California. LAX is still below 2019 levels, though. There are a few more markets such as BHM and CMH that could probably support WN nonstop service to LAX with WN having fewer nonstop flights to LAX from MDW, DEN, ...
Jump to postF9 still feels like a dartboard airline. They drop CVG-DFW and then restart for the umpteenth time CLE-DFW. Don't get it. WN can likely make CVG-DAL nonstop service work with the stronger point of sale that WN has in the Dallas/Fort Worth market and the connecting opportunities that would be there ...
Jump to postI think it becomes fair to ask, “What becomes of Frontier, should the Spirit merger not succeed?” Good luck to all the employees of these 3 airlines, because mergers do not always go as planned or succeed. Post 9/11 there were failures. As pointed out by the Midwest Frontier one. MERGERS ARE NOT (o...
Jump to postWhy does AA not offer service to FLL from DCA? I know they have the big hub in MIA, but they serve all their other hubs from FLL and AA serves tons of random outlying destinations with far less demand than FLL from DCA. AA also doesn't currently serve its PHX hub nonstop from FLL, even though AA ha...
Jump to postAgree, but I definitely think a 15-20 gate terminal is what is likely to happen. Especially if DAL continues to be gate constrained, it just makes sense for WN to have both HOU and AUS as options to flow connections. Here are the Q4 2021 PDEW's of the top contiguous U.S. markets traveled to from AU...
Jump to postWith the schedule update this weekend, DL has AZO, LAN, & MBS all down to 2x daily to DTW on CRJs for most of July and August. At some point, do those services become too infrequent that they no longer make sense? Bigger picture, should DL consider contracted bus service (like AA/UA)? For a pas...
Jump to postStations where WN carried more passengers in February 2022 than in February 2020 include AUS, CHS, DEN, ECP, ELP, GSP, HNL, KOA, LGB, LIH, OGG, ORF, PHX, PNS, RIC, RNO, and SLC.
Jump to postLooks like a few routes were taken out of GDS: LAX-SAP, IAH-ONT, and ORD-TUS. In addition to UA dropping ORD-TUS nonstop service, WN has also already reduced MDW-TUS nonstop service from daily nonstop service to Saturday-only nonstop service through the end of its flight schedule. AA is the only re...
Jump to postAnd some do have some service: for example, NK flies OAK-FLL seasonally, and in season there are three other carriers operating SFO-FLL. Also, NK flies PNS-FLL, so I don't know why that's on the list. I didn't check them all. While NK had previously operated FLL-OAK/PNS nonstop service, no nonstop ...
Jump to postHere are the Q4 2021 PDEW's to MIA/FLL the top remaining contiguous U.S. markets without nonstop ULCC service to the MIA/FLL market: SFO/OAK/SJC-MIA/FLL - 877 PHX/AZA-MIA/FLL - 594 SEA/PAE-MIA/FLL - 414 SLC-MIA/FLL - 367 SAN-MIA/FLL - 348 JAX-MIA/FLL - 285 SAT-MIA/FLL - 237 PDX-MIA/FLL - 177 CHS-MIA...
Jump to postApologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but is there any information or informed opinion about what AA will do if the NEA goes away, either on appeal or as part of a divestment that JetBlue makes in its pursuit of Spirit? It seems like AA has sufficient slot holdings at LGA and JFK to run a d...
Jump to postExample: TYS to IAD is, anytime I'm on it, a CR2. If UA wants to build IAD as a hub (which I believe has been their goal), it seems to me hard to do if you're going to start cutting flights into it. UA needs to pick one - serve the market and support the hub or don't. To continue with TYS as an exa...
Jump to postWhile capacity remains higher than some other airports, IND getting hit hard as of late on these smaller routes: G4's IND-LAX taken completely off the schedule, G4's IND-BOS ends in early August. For G4 specifically, they're the unfortunate punching ball between AA and DL. Me thinks they might make...
Jump to postAVLAirlineFreq wrote:Is F9 out of JAN permanently?
Here are the top remaining markets in the contiguous U.S. not currently served by any ULCC's (by number of domestic passengers in 2019): BHM*, MAF*, CAE, ECP*, JAN*, LBB*, TLH, BTR, CHO, DAB, AGS, MOB, ASE, AVP, GNV * (markets already served by WN) Is MX likely to add service to any of the above mar...
Jump to postYou think there’s not a portion of the ATL-STL market who doesn’t wanna pay WN or DL prices? There definitely is and seeing Spirit on it eventually wouldn’t surprise me. I just am not convinced that portion is big enough to fill a plane to ATL. But I guess we will see how it does. NK already serves...
Jump to postThere isn't a realistic way to decrease the number of pilots needed. The largest single-pilot ops aircraft to my knowledge is a 9 seat caravan. This isn't the same type of operation that has any place replacing 50 seat jets. I agree that there will always be a need for a co-pilot on commercial flig...
Jump to postNon-Tokyo-US routes have consistently not done well (AA ORD-NGO, NW DTW-KIX, AA DFW-KIX, UA SFO-NGO, UA LAX-OSA in the 90s, etc.), outside of maybe DTW-NGO which is supported by the auto industry, SFO-KIX (which has yet to resume), and LAX-KIX. NGO is only feasible from one market in North America:...
Jump to postF9 has already dropped CVG-DFW nonstop service from its flight schedules after 6/7/2022 (apart from CVG-DFW nonstop flights on 11/16/2022). CVG can likely support nonstop service to DAL on WN in addition to AA nonstop service to DFW, especially with the cuts that F9 and DL have made on the CVG-DFW r...
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