. What to think about this.. :scratchchin: Fliegerfaust is usually well informed on BBD. [i] The New Airbus A100 Airbus would be acquiring for free the CRJ program in whole or in part according to what I was told. Really? Airbus commitments would be to further push the sales and including the CRJ i...Jump to post
Airbus is currently negociating with suppliers to shave costs (in exchange for more volume).
Absolutely no points in investing $ to increase production while those suppliers stick with those uncompetitive conditions.
Wow, this whole tread will soon disappear without a trace Too much show of loveJump to post
There were also tweets "supporting" Quebec's independence... But they used the wrong flag - morons!
I don't believe the Parti-Quebecois (the separatist party in Quebec) are really trilled to have those new supporters.
While some extol the virtues of the Q400, it is clear airlines in the USA don't want them and I am sure they put a lot of research in making selections for regional aircraft. I would venture to say that the USA don't want turboprops , period! If the Q400 would be such a terrible aircraft, how come ...Jump to post
In the end the problem for the Q400 is that on routes where it can really make use of the better performance over the ATR passengers start to prefer a jet due to better comfort and it is even faster os flight time goes down as well. It makes sense if you are operating a smaller fleet that needs to ...Jump to post
VSMUT, you wrote: "Yes, the Q400 does indeed fly faster, but: Your typical ATR flight is something like 40-50 minutes max. On a flight of that length, a Q400 will save a mere 5 minutes. On the return leg to the hub, say CDG, you will get caught up in congestion, meaning that you likely won't be...Jump to post
I figured I could post a portion of what a Q400 driver wrote on PRRuNe... (handle: "Fuel-Off") ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Q400 is a beast of a machine. Speed is the main point. Makes those longer regional sectors just that...Jump to post
On the other hand, they may have gotten wind that a 'competitor' was looking into acquiring or partnering with Aeroplan. By making an offer, they are ensuring the competition would have to pay full price for Aeroplan. My guess is that this is exactly what is going on. The best thing Aeroplan could ...Jump to post
ATR with 68 seats: 600/68 = 8.8 kg/pax/hr ATR with 78 seats: 600/78 = 7.7 kg/pax/hr Q400 with 90 seats@800kg/hr: 1000/90 = 8.9 kg/pax/hr Q400 with 90 seats@1000kg/hr: 1000/90 = 11.1 kg/pax/hr Q400 with 90 seats@1200kg/hr: 1000/90 = 13.3 kg/pax/hr Those are extremely valuable numbers, thank you. Now...Jump to post
This 90 passengers version has now equivalent CASMs to the ATR72 No, no it doesn't. Says whom? I'm genuinely interested to know your source. (comparing similar configurations, ie @ same 28in pitch and @ same payload/passenger) much safer one engine out performance. This should be irrelevant. If you...Jump to post
NameOmitted wrote:Do we know this? 90 pax. is going to be heavy.
Perhaps BBD should look into a lighter/slower version to compete directly with the ATR. Actually, it's the other way around. BBD is taking advantage of the overpowered engines, sturdier frame and longer interior space to fit in 90 passengers. This 90 passengers version has now equivalent CASMs to t...Jump to post
Where are the extra seats? On the roof? Actually, BBD found a way to lengthen the interior space - including moving further back the bulkhead I believe. It's actually pretty amazing they could reach 90 seats while maintaining a "respectable" :duck: 28in pitch. You can't do that with an AT...Jump to post
oldannyboy wrote:At this point in the thread would people perhaps agree to say that after all the Q400 is not underrated?...
Directly from the Airbus site, the financial impact of the A220 integration was calculated as follow: "The A220 integration is expected to reduce Free Cash Flow before M&A and Customer Financing by an estimated € -0.3 billion." Above projections only represent half a year. That put int...Jump to post
SteelChair wrote:Jump to postAlso, the Canadian government would not allow such a Boeing/Embraer tie up. Ok, just kidding on that part, but trying to illustrate how ridiculous it is that some feel that the US government has to bless an Airbus/Bombardier tie up. The arrogance.
The demands being made on Canada by the US in NAFTA negotiation such as the dismantling of supply management in the dairy industry, auto parts and car manufacturing to support protectionist trade policies are considered non starters in trade negotiations. There is no tolerance for unrealistic deman...Jump to post
Personally I think hell will freeze over first before Boeing even get a sniff of a deal with BBD. It's just not going to happen :shakehead: So true! Especially when considering BBD deliberately withhold sensitive information during the US Commerce Dept hearings, to ensure that nothing gets to Boein...Jump to post
If Airbus is getting an awesome deal, it is because BBD is not getting one . BBD was pressed against the wall and settled for it could get out of Airbus. As we speak (1h30 EST), BBD share prices are up 17.37% , Airbus 4.83% and Boeing is down 0.5%. Somehow, BBD shareholders see value in this transa...Jump to post
I hope the top folks at Boeing who thought this was a good idea get fired. #1 because it was purely a dick move. #2 it just backfired even if considering only the narrowbody market #3 it's going to cost them in other areas, like defense contracts with Canada and simple bad PR. Stupid. Stupid. Stupi...Jump to post
In light of the Bombardier/Airbus deal how will this affect the stalled F/A-18 Super Hornet negotiations? This procurement of new SH was just a total / monumental waste of money to begin with. A few weeks ago, "ThePointBlank" explained extremely well that this capability gap was a just a ...Jump to post
Well, this is not an happy ending to Boeing. The CSeries it hoped to destroy just got stronger. And thanks to Airbus supply chain/economy of scale, the CSeries will sell for even cheaper in the future. If a CS500 is eventually launched, it would probably be a simple stretch with less range (ie with ...Jump to post
I wonder how Airbus will market both its A319NEO and the CS300.
I hope differently than the way Boeing marketed the B717...
Airbus acquiring majority stake in C-Series http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2017/10/airbus-bombardier-cseries-agreement.html Congrats to Boeing; you now have a real solid competitor! Airbus will leverage it's own supply chain economy of scale to lower the CSereis construction costs...Jump to post
When you learn about Quebec pride/stubbornness/politics then you’ll understand why they won’t let Boeing anywhere near it. The rest of Canada rolls its eyes when it comes to Quebec. They threaten to separate when they don't get their way and so the Liberal Party funnels money to keep them happy. In...Jump to post
Ok, lets talk about the Q400 and why would anyone want it when even on BBD's website they admit they cannot beat ATR economics, instead BBD wants one to believe the difference can be made in one or two more turns, other words speed. http://commercialaircraft.bombardier.com/en/q400/Economics.html Th...Jump to post
... the IAM751 tie in is interesting. Interesting indeed. As a whole, the IAM represents about 600 000 workers in North America, including Boeing's AND BBD's machinists. What triggered my attention is the analysis IAM must have made in allowing this Canadian IAM video: https://www.youtube.com/watch...Jump to post
Not anymore, the Alstrom/Siemens merger will be larger than Bombardier Transportation. I also believe that China's CRCC is now bigger than Bombardier Transportation as well. I was not referring to BBD Transport as being still the most powerfull; the Chinese CRRC Corporation Ltd is now the largest r...Jump to post
Well they’ve already shared design cues http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/newsList/details.33466-comac-and-bombardier-sign-definitive-agreement-to-establish-commonality-opportunities-between-c919-and-cseries-aircraft.bombardiercom.html Not sure how that particular one ended up. The initial idea wa...Jump to post
No deal imminent: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-bombardier-airbus/bombardier-pursues-options-for-aerospace-division-no-deal-imminent-sources-idUSKBN1CL21J As part of that process, the Canadian train-and-plane maker has held informal talks with Chinese companies among others in recent months, bu...Jump to post
FWIW, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, Canadian side (In Canada, it represents about 40 000 workers) just published the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPV-yHvR_ys That union is part of the same family that represents Boeing's machinists (I guess 17 000 o...Jump to post
...but what is odd is that Bombardier with all of their biz jet expertise, to my knowledge, have not offered a CSeries biz jet. They're probably leaving at least a couple dozen CSeries orders on the table without such a "CS1/3 BJ" that comes in just under a BBJ/A319CJ. We might learn very...Jump to post
From what I've heard, the issue is, let's say, very tiny. It will be solved very easily (if it's even required). And it has nothing to do with BBD or Pratt. (And as everyone noticed, Swiss is definitely not impacted).Jump to post
(Jumbojet) "in fact, I am positive the statement that EB said holds merit. ...will not spend a dime on a product if its an inferior product" Another way to say it is: the savings brought by operating the superior product (let's say over 10 years) can be the determining factor. Over the lif...Jump to post
Nicely made BBD site here.
I guess part of the debate will happen a bit more openly (not sure if it will change anything, but at least more people will know the real Boeing...)
From BBD: Statement on Commerce Department Antidumping Duties Preliminary Decision We strongly disagree with the Commerce Department’s preliminary decision. It represents an egregious overreach and misapplication of the U.S. trade laws in an apparent attempt to block the C Series aircraft from ente...Jump to post
Exactly, make a RFP for a future MPA, exactly tailored to a CS500. (I proposed that a few days ago, in the military forum)
FWIW, the last homegrown MPA was a Canadair designed and built CL-28 Argus. Was among the best in its time. With about 23hrs loitering time...
It was a lost cause at the USDOC anyways. Historically, 90% of their preliminary decisions always sided with the (US) original complaint. USDOC even helps those US firms in their complaint filing / writing to ensure a win. There was no points for BBD revealing any confidential information to the opp...Jump to post
Apparently the decision will only be known tomorrow, Friday.Jump to post
Slug71 wrote:Not sure how true, but I read somewhere (maybe this forum) That it could go about 3 days.
Post #2 in this old thread: viewtopic.php?t=1023741
If that is what I take it to be, then it's a miracle it didn't go off like a bomb. What would be the typical fuel loading for these planes I wonder, and how is it distributed across the tanks the plane has? There are indeed fuel tanks ("deposito") in the variable portion of T-22Ms wings (...Jump to post
"Maybe US policy makers/enforcers should stop strictly listening to the loudest big corporate lobbyists and think more about national economic interests, and win - win trades with its allies"
Hey, that one is mine...
washingtonflyer wrote:Just wait for the dumping finding.....
washingtonflyer wrote:Maybe BBD could stop thinking about violating international obligations and agreements....