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by Phosphorus
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Ukraine internation airlines - NTU 772
Replies: 1
Views: 265

Re: Ukraine internation airlines - NTU 772

I'll give you a link to a summary article, and Google translate is your friend from that point on: https://cfts.org.ua/news/2019/05/13/v_mau_rasskazali_o_sudbe_chetvertogo_boeing_777_kotoryy_dolzhen_byl_popolnit_ee_flot_53201 The gist of it is simple -- this particular frame was NTU, as condition wa...

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by Phosphorus
Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alitalia bankruptcy and selling process discussion thread
Replies: 945
Views: 231374

Re: Alitalia bankruptcy and selling process discussion thread

Supposedly the business plan of the new Alitalia, developed by Ferrovie dello Stato (Italian railways) and Delta Airlines (in Italian): https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/alitalia-ecco-piano-compagnia-piu-piccola-che-vola-piu-ACeqkFY Inviato dal mio Redmi Note 7 utilizzando Tapatalk Delusional busines...

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by Phosphorus
Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Belavia B733 runway excursion in Kyiv (IEV/UKKK)
Replies: 14
Views: 2648

Re: Belavia B733 runway excursion in Kyiv (IEV/UKKK)

The story of IEV and runway excursions, if you think of it, is quite fascinating. IEV, in essence, was a city commuter airport, and its destiny was to fly An-24's and Yak-40's until closure and redevelopment. Then, two things happened. First, Yak-42 came. The airport and the manufacturer and the ope...

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by Phosphorus
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Belavia B733 runway excursion in Kyiv (IEV/UKKK)
Replies: 14
Views: 2648

Re: Belavia B733 runway excursion in Kyiv (IEV/UKKK)

Belavia seems to have a bit of a habit for runway excursions over here. In December 2017, they had a runway excursion in KBP. In December 2018, they had another runway excursion in KBP. Now, their runway excursion in IEV shut down the airport (IEV is a single-runway operation) I am actually not sure...

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by Phosphorus
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:09 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: B-36 Question
Replies: 25
Views: 3286

Re: B-36 Question

I loved the sound, it is so distinctive that even with an unexpected fly over I think I could still identify it by sound alone. If there are there any flying models left! Alas, per avgeekery, none flying. The “D” model also had 4 jet engines, 2 on each wing which I understand were used primarily to...

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by Phosphorus
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:22 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: B-36 Question
Replies: 25
Views: 3286

Re: B-36 Question

A reference to the origins of B-36 pusher design: as early as 1942, it was already shown as a future of air power. For example, this Walt Disney movie, featuring Alexander de Seversky as proponent of air power, has bombers in six-engine pusher configuration on a mission https://archive.org/details/V...

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by Phosphorus
Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA
Replies: 35
Views: 11202

Re: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA

"The final five aircraft to come off the assembly line, L-1011-500s, were without buyers and stored at the Palmdale plant. During an internal employee presentation, TWA President Ed Meyer told how Lockheed’s chairman Dan Haughton had called him to propose the airplanes for TWA at bargain rates...

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by Phosphorus
Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Angara Airlines An-24 crashes on landing
Replies: 11
Views: 3260

Re: Angara Airlines An-24 crashes on landing

Heard in news engine fail at/after touchdown and so they failed to stay on runway Apparently an engine failed just after takeoff. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-russia-plane-crash-least-17263586.amp And yes, the author of the article called the AN24 a jet... He is partly correct....

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by Phosphorus
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA
Replies: 35
Views: 11202

Re: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA

Didn't they also try selling them to the Soviet Union? USSR wanted also a production license. As well, Rolls-Royce was uninterested in giving USSR access to RB211, unless Soviets bought a large quantity (a few hundred). Rolls-Royce remembered too well the RR Nene debacle, when Nene copies (called K...

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by Phosphorus
Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1754
Views: 178101

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Resolution Professional meets Jet Airways management, fast tracks process Chhawchharia also implemented a complete moratorium of all claims, proceedings, cases and notices to Jet. No properties or assets of Jet either in custody or with the airline can be attached by any entity. There was an evicti...

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by Phosphorus
Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History of American's St. Louis Hub
Replies: 46
Views: 5104

Re: History of American's St. Louis Hub

From what I read at the time, there was a ring-fence around STL pilot base in AA-TWA transaction. Technically, TWA pilots were stapled at the bottom of AA seniority list, but STL pilot base was walled off. I don't remember the exact wording, but the sad joke of that era was along the lines "the...

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by Phosphorus
Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 1986 Eastern sale to Texas Air
Replies: 3
Views: 760

Re: 1986 Eastern sale to Texas Air

... Merger between Eastern and Pan Am would be a good one. The book Skygods painstakingly reconstructs the search for merger options at Pan Am. They looked at everybody. Eastern was ruled out simply because Eastern was large, and that would mean somewhat of a "merger of equals". And Pan A...

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by Phosphorus
Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: De Havilland Aircraft of Canada Returns to the Skies
Replies: 86
Views: 12025

Re: De Havilland Aircraft of Canada Returns to the Skies

As someone who enjoys flying the 300 series ( and tolerates the 100 series) I sadly don’t see a resurrection of either... 50 seats isn’t appealing, especially a slow turboprop and if you upgrade the engines it gets heavier. So what precisely are airlines who operate small sector regional routes to ...

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by Phosphorus
Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates to Retire A380s by Mid 2030s
Replies: 31
Views: 7631

Re: Emirates to Retire A380s by Mid 2030s

EK has a whole terminal dedicated to the A380, I guess by the time they will retire the A380's the terminal also hits around 20 years + and will be closed down for a major renovation. ... Well, maybe that's the master plan now? Retirement of A380 coinciding with retirement of the terminal, and the ...

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by Phosphorus
Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:41 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline
Replies: 51
Views: 4776

Re: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline

An-28 is another interesting case -- it was operated by multiple militaries (USSR, GDR, Bulgaria, etc.), but also by only one airline -- Aeroflot. Nope, it's also operated by SILA (Siberian Light Aviation) out of Irkutsk. I flew on one about 6 months ago. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Thank ...

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by Phosphorus
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:07 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline
Replies: 51
Views: 4776

Re: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline

..... Maybe some Soviet aircraft when Aeroflot was the only airline there. Besides the already mentioned Tu-144, most (if not all) 'Soviet' types were also operated by the other Soviet bloc countries, central Asian, African and other alligned countries (like Cuba). An-10 is another Soviet type that...

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by Phosphorus
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:25 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline
Replies: 51
Views: 4776

Re: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline

Pan Am Clippers of 1930's come to mind. All were ordered by Pan Am alone, but there were variations in the operational destinies of these flying boats. Martin M-130 -- these were bought by Pan Am, and ever flown only by Pan Am Sikorsky S-40 -- these were bought by Pan Am, and all of them were presse...

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by Phosphorus
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1754
Views: 178101

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Jet Airways Fleet Update (Entire Fleet) Update 2 Broken down into fleet type and ordered by MSN 737-700 (3/4) of 3 re-registered aircraft, 2 currently placed VT-JGX - 34805 - De-Reg Complete - Stored VT-JGY - 34806 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYU VT-SIZ - 33025 - To SpiceJet as VT-SYO VT-SJA - 33026 - Stor...

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by Phosphorus
Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:39 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Gender Wage Gap in Airlines
Replies: 48
Views: 1976

Re: Gender Wage Gap in Airlines

Isn't pilot compensation the largest single labor expense of a typical airline? And pilots being the best-paid airline employees, with exception of executive echelon of management? If yes, then the elephant in the room suddenly will be noticed. If a gender pay gap is to be closed, you would need 1) ...

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by Phosphorus
Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ukraine issued grounding request for 5 Volga-Dnepr An-124
Replies: 17
Views: 5926

Re: Ukraine issued arrest warrant for 5 Volga-Dnepr An-124

... Come on, that is a bit thin. The Russian administration Rosaviazija advised maintenance for Russian Antonovs according to a maintenance program by Russian institutions/companies without involving Antonov, claiming lack of support from Antonov. Antonov now sues the companies following that order...

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by Phosphorus
Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ukraine issued grounding request for 5 Volga-Dnepr An-124
Replies: 17
Views: 5926

Re: Ukraine issued arrest warrant for 5 Volga-Dnepr An-124

To paraphrase the article as I understood it: Volga-Dnepr contracted An-124 maintenance to a German company, and Antonov is saying that company isn't properly certified to do the work. So Ukraine, at request of the manufacturer, is taking action against the airworthiness of the aircraft. This could...

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by Phosphorus
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Russian SST
Replies: 97
Views: 11069

Re: New Russian SST

Grandstanding: to seek to attract applause or favorable attention from spectators or the media. Russian: показных Putin's favorite hobby. oh dear... first, the word is показуха second, no, Putin's favorite hobby is looting and embezzlement grandstanding is a very distant second, maybe even an uncom...

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by Phosphorus
Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Uzhorod in Ukraine
Replies: 28
Views: 4320

Re: Uzhorod in Ukraine

One full week since restart of Motor-Sich service between Uzhgorod and IEV has passed. Operated, for now, three times a week: Mo, We, Fri. The flight has been operated by Yak-40 UR-MSX (1975 vintage; 1975 was the peak year for Yak-40 production -- drawdown began next year, and manufacturing was all ...

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by Phosphorus
Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: Mitsubishi Heavy Industries to Acquire CRJ Program from Bombardier
Replies: 309
Views: 30452

Re: Updated: Mitsubishi finalising deal for acquisition of CRJ programme according to FlightGlobal

Good, but they can “nickel and dime” you and, for the bizjet line, nearly the only game in town. Different market than airlines. GF Is Bombardier the "only game in town" on bizjet? :banghead: Plenty of other manufacturers: Gulfstream, Cirrus, Embraer, Honda, Dassault, etc. I guess, the me...

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by Phosphorus
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands repayment from woman after ticket scam
Replies: 116
Views: 14001

Re: Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands repayment from woman after ticket scam

... It is buyers be aware and unfortunately, buying stolen goods makes you part of the crime. She must have known somehow in regards to comparing fares, and anything that says NOEND (non endorsable), NORFND (no refund), NOCHG (no change), NORRTE (non re-routable), Valid only this carrier, dates sho...

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by Phosphorus
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Russian SST
Replies: 97
Views: 11069

Re: New Russian SST

Pipe dreams of Soviet Grandeur like the first SST and Space Shuttle knock off. Nothing but another failed attempt that will A-Be DOA, or B- sell 2-3 frames to Aeroflot that will fly a year or two before being inefficient, unreliable, grounded and then mothballed. Soviet engineers were very much aga...

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by Phosphorus
Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:57 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Stratolaunch Discussion Thread
Replies: 276
Views: 67423

Re: Stratolaunch‘s Carrier Aircraft Production

Interesting aircraft, but even if Paul Allen were still with us -- this Stratolaunch concept would have gone nowhere. Air launched satellite boosters have proved both technically and economically infeasible... ...Sorry Pegasus, you will be gone soon too, Pegasus worked, but also should never have b...

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by Phosphorus
Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Stratolaunch shutting down. Fate of Stratolauncher unclear.
Replies: 13
Views: 3231

Re: Rumor: Stratolaunch shutting down. Fate of Stratolauncher unclear.

Well, if Stratolaunch closes down, and all assets are auctioned off, then Northrop Grumman seems like the most natural bidder for the "Roc" airplane: 1) they've built it, so they know all there is to know about it 2) they will eventually need to replace their L-1011, the last of a kind, in...

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by Phosphorus
Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:54 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types developed specifically for one carrier
Replies: 71
Views: 7725

Re: Airline types developed specifically for one carrier

All Soviet types, predictably, were developed to Aeroflot requirements. Well, this is quite far from the truth. The weakness of Soviet/Russian aviation was always engines, until very recently. More often than not, Soviet designers were taking engines they had (2 or 4), and built an airframe around ...

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by Phosphorus
Fri May 31, 2019 6:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Spot market” for new Boeing and Airbus planes
Replies: 7
Views: 1274

Re: “Spot market” for new Boeing and Airbus planes

"Spot market available" aircraft are not a new concept. They are called "whitetails". Historically, their existence is a bane for aircraft builder's finances, reputation and the way they run business. To turn whitetails into something desirable, along the lines you describe, woul...

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by Phosphorus
Mon May 27, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Remaining 737-200s in service
Replies: 32
Views: 5715

Re: Remaining 737-200s in service

A bit of a bind there. If you want a good runway in permafrost conditions, cheapest way to do it, and often the only practical way, is to have a gravel airstrip. Which means you need a gravel-capable airplane. Cannot speak of A320 series, but 737 Classic engines are too low - which means gravel inge...

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by Phosphorus
Mon May 27, 2019 6:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1754
Views: 178101

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

... Naresh Goyal is under investigation for siphoning Jet Airways funds. ... That's the question -- is he? Or rather, was he, before he showed up at the passport control desk? could it be a last-minute, knee-jerk reaction from a passport control official, who realized that such a high-profile figur...

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by Phosphorus
Wed May 22, 2019 6:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 816
Views: 139711

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

Just how much training did the pilots have in using direct law? I suspect the answer will be "not a lot" which is on Aeroflot however that will probably be swept under the carpet unless the pilots are lucky. Some pages before, I was quoting a rumor in Russian aviation circles -- that Aero...

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by Phosphorus
Wed May 22, 2019 6:19 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Are we approaching world where there´s only twin-engined jets?
Replies: 15
Views: 2601

Re: Are we approaching world where there´s only twin-engined jets?

With the end of the 747, A340 and A380 approaching are we approaching a world with only twins? On the business jet side, Falcon production line by Dassault Aviation will continue to deliver three-engined models like Falcon 7X and 8X for some time to come. Militaries will not give up their quads eas...

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by Phosphorus
Wed May 22, 2019 5:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1754
Views: 178101

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Jet's lenders face a dilemma. Do they pony up 200 crore to EXIM bank to take control of 6 aircraft worth 2,000 crore with the possibility that those planes could be caught up in legal limo? https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/jet-airways-lenders-weigh-pa...

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by Phosphorus
Tue May 21, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1754
Views: 178101

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Just to clear "vendor" means airports, oil companies, GHAs, caterers. Doesn't include banks or lessors. Correct. Vendors might include MRO's, who hold on to assets (parts, engines, other items that were being fixed). Vendors might include airports, who hold onto whatever assets they might...

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by Phosphorus
Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types developed specifically for one carrier
Replies: 71
Views: 7725

Re: Airline types developed specifically for one carrier

In Britain, VC-10 specs were tweaked around BOAC demands, AFAIK. To the point where many other airlines were no longer interested, as BOAC wanted performance from hot and high airfields, to the detriment of operational economics. So BOAC tweaked the specs to suit their needs, and then the same airl...

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by Phosphorus
Tue May 21, 2019 1:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1754
Views: 178101

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Are there any estimates on how much is vendor debt? Anywhere between Rs 7k to Rs 12k crore Thanks! That's more than 1 billion USD, anyway. Even if banks accept 99% writeoffs, and even if suddenly lessors will stop claiming back debt, this is a lot of money, for an AOC, traffic rights and slots that...

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by Phosphorus
Tue May 21, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Travelling down Ukraine in a Yak-40, December 2018
Replies: 12
Views: 9777

Re: Travelling down Ukraine in a Yak-40, December 2018

... The aircraft waiting at the remote stand was UR-88310, having been manufactured at Yakovlev’s Saratov factory in February 1980, the aircraft is by no means young; however it is the most recent example in Motor Sich’s fleet... Thank you for the excellent trip report! Not to nitpick -- indeed, th...

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by Phosphorus
Tue May 21, 2019 6:56 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types developed specifically for one carrier
Replies: 71
Views: 7725

Re: Airline types developed specifically for one carrier

In Britain, VC-10 specs were tweaked around BOAC demands, AFAIK. To the point where many other airlines were no longer interested, as BOAC wanted performance from hot and high airfields, to the detriment of operational economics.

All Soviet types, predictably, were developed to Aeroflot requirements.

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by Phosphorus
Tue May 21, 2019 6:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1754
Views: 178101

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Looks like one last meeting for investors. https://wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/companies/jet-airways-revival-etihad-hindujas-set-for-abu-dhabi-meet-on-may-23-119052100035_1.html .... Lightsaber A question -- is there enough slack within Etihad (parked frames, underutilized frames, all tha...

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by Phosphorus
Mon May 20, 2019 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Uzhorod in Ukraine
Replies: 28
Views: 4320

Re: Uzhorod in Ukraine

What's wrong with an An-24 out of Uzhorod ? Earlier in the spring this year, Motor Sich were using them on some days between Uzhorod and Lviv - and load factors were not exactly high The main claim I keep hearing is that the local authority neglected to enforce building codes, and thus eastward dir...

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by Phosphorus
Mon May 20, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Uzhorod in Ukraine
Replies: 28
Views: 4320

Re: Uzhorod in Ukraine

Motor Sich is back on IEV-UDJ route, thrice weekly, direct: https://flymotorsich.com/en/news ( I don't see a way to link directly to the news release, only to the news feed itself. Please look for release of May 20) For fans of rare types -- the route is announced to be flown with Yak-40. And, June ...

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by Phosphorus
Mon May 20, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 816
Views: 139711

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

Just how much training did the pilots have in using direct law? I suspect the answer will be "not a lot" which is on Aeroflot however that will probably be swept under the carpet unless the pilots are lucky. Some pages before, I was quoting a rumor in Russian aviation circles -- that Aero...

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by Phosphorus
Mon May 20, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP
Replies: 38
Views: 8171

Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

BA is crap and the market knows it , simples British Airways remains the most profitable legacy airline in Europe. It's the market, not the airline that's crap. KBP growth: 2017 10,554,757 Increase 22.1% 2018 12,603,300 Increase 19.4% Do you still think it's the market? I think there are enough pas...

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by Phosphorus
Mon May 20, 2019 7:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Asiana starting ICN-ULN starting 7/9/2019
Replies: 19
Views: 2243

Re: Asiana starting ICN-ULN starting 7/9/2019

Isn't there also a Korean minority in Uzbekistan? I remember hearing something about it. They emigrated there decades ago. Yes there is. Koreans in Uzbekistan are a sizeable and economically important minority. They are largely absent from local politics, often described as clan warfare. This is pa...

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by Phosphorus
Sun May 19, 2019 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP
Replies: 38
Views: 8171

Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

What advantage did BA actually have in KBP? They no longer have a service to differentiate them from the competition. They have a good intercontinental network but there are so many other hubs between Kiev and London where passengers can connect. On top of that, PS seems to be expanding quite aggre...

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by Phosphorus
Sun May 19, 2019 7:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did the Soviets never try making a domestic twin IL-96 using the Lotarev D-18T engine similar to the A330 and A340?
Replies: 25
Views: 5012

Re: Why did the Soviets never try making a domestic twin IL-96 using the Lotarev D-18T engine similar to the A330 and A3

The Polet freighters would simply be Il-96T. That would be before conversion, while still equipped with PW engines. After conversion to PS-90 in the last decade, at least one frame got both new factory number, and designation Il-96-400. Another frame was directly built as Il-96-400T late last decad...

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by Phosphorus
Sat May 18, 2019 8:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did the Soviets never try making a domestic twin IL-96 using the Lotarev D-18T engine similar to the A330 and A340?
Replies: 25
Views: 5012

Re: Why did the Soviets never try making a domestic twin IL-96 using the Lotarev D-18T engine similar to the A330 and A3

Surely you mean the modernized M version? The -400 already exists and is flying, same with the -400T which is the freighter variant. I know, I was talking about the M version or whatever new version Cubana has on order since god knows how many years now. FYI, the original Il-96 stretch is just Il-9...

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by Phosphorus
Sat May 18, 2019 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1754
Views: 178101

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

weren't most of the widebodies owned by Jet? Some are owned, Some other are leased. Are you saying these are valid lessors? Never heard of them. MOORGATE AIRCRAFT 2007 LIMITED FLEET IRELAND AIRCRAFT LEASE 2007-A LTD FLEET IRELAND AIRCRAFT LEASE 2007-B LIMITED JIHB LIMITED JIHBTWO LIMITED BISHOPSGAT...

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