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by JamesCousins
Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 773
Views: 112250

Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration

https://siteapps.caa.co.uk/g-info/ shows the new owner of ERJ175 G-FBJE as FLYBE LEASING CAYMAN 1 LTD https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-fbje Shows it as now at Lisbon. Does anyone know if this company is owned/controlled by Flybe. If so, how does this fit in with the bankruptcy process?...

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by JamesCousins
Wed May 13, 2020 10:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

To achieve higher yields, airlines like BA, LH, KL, AF, DL, AA, UA will have to cut frequency and capacity. The money they have in the bank is not to fly empty planes but to keep empty planes parked. I don't really understand what you are arguing about. You don’t really seem to understand that the ...

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by JamesCousins
Wed May 13, 2020 10:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

When the revenue is 5% of what it used to be and your fixed costs continue to be largely the same because you have hundreds and hundreds of expensive jets to pay for while they are on the ground for 1 to 3 years, how long do you think their reserves are going to last for? For the record, I never cl...

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by JamesCousins
Tue May 12, 2020 1:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Herein lies the greatest misconception folks here have about VS and airlines in general. The largest weak spot of any airline is its huge fixed costs which in times of difficulty are hard to maintain as the fixed costs are there but the revenue isn't. Now you tell me between BA and VS which one has...

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by JamesCousins
Tue May 12, 2020 10:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Herein lies the greatest misconception folks here have about VS and airlines in general. The largest weak spot of any airline is its huge fixed costs which in times of difficulty are hard to maintain as the fixed costs are there but the revenue isn't. Now you tell me between BA and VS which one has...

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by JamesCousins
Thu May 07, 2020 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: IAG and EY interested in creating a hub at VIE
Replies: 118
Views: 21524

Re: Rumor: IAG and Etihad interest in taking over OS

Is it just me that finds this (if true) utterly insane. While IAG is being bailed out on the Spanish side by the Spanish government, and BA is propping up the group with Union-busting contracts and 12,000 redundancies, IAG are considering expanding the group by BUYING an entire airline? I understan...

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by JamesCousins
Thu May 07, 2020 7:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: IAG and EY interested in creating a hub at VIE
Replies: 118
Views: 21524

Re: Rumor: IAG and Etihad interest in taking over OS

Is it just me that finds this (if true) utterly insane. While IAG is being bailed out on the Spanish side by the Spanish government, and BA is propping up the group with Union-busting contracts and 12,000 redundancies, IAG are considering expanding the group by BUYING an entire airline? I understand...

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by JamesCousins
Tue May 05, 2020 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Many airlines seem incapable of learning the Southwest fleet simplicity lesson. I cannot see how Virgin Atlantic survives this crisis. I don't think reliance on one fleet type will on the top of Virign's wish list after their issues with their 787s, or after the MAX situation which I'd hasten to ad...

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by JamesCousins
Tue May 05, 2020 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

The press release phrase 'From today, Virgin Atlantic will no longer use 'all' of its seven 747-400s,' is not very clear It could mean that they will use 'some' of them I agree, but it's an easy thing for them to say because no one else is going to want them and the leases aren't finished on the fr...

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by JamesCousins
Tue May 05, 2020 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

What is the possible future for a KLM-Air France deal with Virgin Atlantic? KLM is still one of my top picks for UK regional airlines (e.g. Flybe-style). since flights over the North Sea and Norwegian Sea to isolated areas in Scandinavia and the islands of the Atlantic Ocean are still very much nee...

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by JamesCousins
Tue May 05, 2020 3:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Let's not forget that this must be an awful time for the Virgin Atlantic & Virgin Holiday's staff, especially as Virgin Atlantic were on a route to modest profitability after years of mismanagement (European Holiday Routes, Expensive Leases, Vanity PR Projects, Little Red and ofc more recently b...

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by JamesCousins
Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

He did, and my guess is that he won't let VS collapse. Virgin founder Richard Branson giving $250 million to help employees https://www.wesh.com/article/virgin-founder-richard-branson-giving-dollar250-million-to-help-employees/31905226 Actually he did not. He put $250 million into the Virgin Group....

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by JamesCousins
Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

and walking away from a new Virgin Trains operator contract because of his unwillingness to underpin the staff pensions scheme associated with the West Coast line franchise renewal. I'm by no means the biggest Branson fan, but this disingenuous. They said it was not financially viable to bid for a ...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

This opinion is popular but a little grating. While SRB had a before crash net worth of £4bn, it is certainly significantly less now. It’s also mostly tied up in assets, it’s not like he has a literal pile of money on which he sleeps on Necker island as you imply. SRB doesn’t have anything like the...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Is corporate traffic still relevant for VS? if it even was at any point in time? Why keep fighting at LHR and not concentrate on MAN or secondary UK airport, which BA completely abandoned? Yes - on a weekday, term time particularly their UC cabin is dominated by it. Virgin have been putting an incr...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic seeks restructuring; files for BK in US Court
Replies: 1455
Views: 175669

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

and walking away from a new Virgin Trains operator contract because of his unwillingness to underpin the staff pensions scheme associated with the West Coast line franchise renewal. I'm by no means the biggest Branson fan, but this disingenuous. They said it was not financially viable to bid for a ...

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by JamesCousins
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DY Financial Discussion - 2020
Replies: 584
Views: 146944

Re: DY about to go bust?

They were actually expecting a profit in 2020 if it wasn’t for the corona virus with a lot of measures implemented over the last 1,5 years. So the model isn’t “failing”. It has nothing to do with Norwegians business model that the Trent 1000 engines have been causing ongoing troubles. Neither is it...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 773
Views: 112250

Re: Flybe News and Discussion Thread

Well now we know why Virgin wasn't over keen to slap on its branding just yet. I think it will be pretty disgraceful if the inevitable scooping up of assets by Virgin, Stobart, Cyrus or whoever else happens at rock bottom prices, but equally I don't agree that the Connect consortium should just pump...

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by JamesCousins
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's
Replies: 110
Views: 24329

Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

I was hoping to be able to fly to TFS on a new A321 on 18th July but it looks like it will be a 737-800 from a seating plan, 33 rows but the wing root starts at row 9-10. I am totally confused - how many seats does have the A321 for Jet2?! And is Jet2 sub-leasing any other A321 this summer?! I was ...

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by JamesCousins
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's
Replies: 110
Views: 24329

Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

The first photos of the first full-liveried A321 are now out and I have to say it looks pretty good! I bet Jet2 are pleased they held off on a MAX order at this point. It will be interesting to see if they like the performance of their first in-house (aka non ACMI lease) Airbus narrowbody and if the...

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by JamesCousins
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft, UPDATE: HNA group revealed as buyer
Replies: 271
Views: 64648

Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

I'm seeing a split-China order being likely, with United and Delta also likely contenders. United needs to replace its 767s somehow, and in some cases the 787 is just too much metal. AA have clearly signaled a commitment to the 787 in terms of 767 replacement already. Time was ticking on the MOM 2 y...

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by JamesCousins
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft, UPDATE: HNA group revealed as buyer
Replies: 271
Views: 64648

Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

For arguments sake, could it not be on a less obvious underdog, like Jet2 or Wizz I'd love it to be the case, but in short no. While Jet2 have grown rapidly in recent years, they have been pretty conservative in terms of aircraft acquisition. Aside from a slow and steady stream of new 737-800s whic...

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by JamesCousins
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread
Replies: 278
Views: 69423

Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

pugman211 wrote:
First one is the certification example
2nd is the first in service.
3rd is halfway or more through assembly phase last time I saw it.


Does anyone know what the timetable is on the first one produced entering service? I take it this is freed up now the certification has been completed?

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by JamesCousins
Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: British Airways To Launch Long-Haul Flights From Manchester
Replies: 176
Views: 28612

Re: Rumor: British Airways To Launch Long-Haul Flights From Manchester

priority will still likely be LHR/LGW for VS, with MAN providing an opportunity to extract value from another market’s O&D and some hub connectivity opportunities. Manchester isn't just an add-on opportunity for Virgin, it's just as much (if not more) of a focus as Gatwick. VS has cut a number ...

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by JamesCousins
Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: British Airways To Launch Long-Haul Flights From Manchester
Replies: 176
Views: 28612

Re: Rumor: British Airways To Launch Long-Haul Flights From Manchester

Looked at ba finances vs that of vs. ba has plenty of resources to wack the yields of a competitor to stop them from gaining traction. It did the same against dy. Why not against vs getting out of line. VS looks to be getting closer to profitability (though the next set of financial results will gi...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 111
Views: 33180

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

I think they need to raise the output to burn through the order book until A350 NEO and then A330 really has no viable future. The A350neo is some way off yet - while it has certainly been rumoured, the engine technology simply isn't here yet. And even when it is, you've got at least of 5 (public) ...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin still flies to PVG but gave up NRT - why?
Replies: 36
Views: 8076

Re: Virgin still flies to PVG but gave up NRT and HKG - why?

VS these days are a shadow of its former self, with routes being lost left right and centre (especially Caribbean and east asia). Sadly if it had stayed as it's 'Former Self' it would have hemorrhaged so much cash it likely wouldn't exist today. Allow me to be pedantic for a second here, also. Virg...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Please help me to understand aircraft routes
Replies: 45
Views: 10281

Re: Please help me to understand aircraft routes

An easy solution I see here would be to fly out of Heathrow if possible exclusively with British Airways - a controversial statement, I know! The reason behind this is as follows: - BA don't fly European short haul out of Manchester - BA have a fleet of narrowbody planes that are based almost exclus...

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by JamesCousins
Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Status on London Heathrow's 3rd Runway?
Replies: 141
Views: 16753

Re: Status on London Heathrow's 3rd Runway?

I bet BA are regretting not ordering more A380s now... and for the avoidance of doubt I'm fully serious here. The A380 has been a failure for many airlines who operate it, but the only way for BA to significantly increase capacity long haul in the 2020s is with bigger planes. Admittedly this can be ...

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by JamesCousins
Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LOT to get more A320s, 20% fleet is not flying
Replies: 48
Views: 14525

Re: LOT to get more A320s, 20% fleet is not flying

Avión Express, I don’t really know much about them. They're a Lithuanian charter airline, do a lot of work for Jet2, TUI and historically Thomas Cook in the Summer peak seasons over here in Europe. Aircraft tend to be 2nd hand planes from large carriers, and many are fitted out with slimline seats ...

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by JamesCousins
Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LOT to get more A320s, 20% fleet is not flying
Replies: 48
Views: 14525

Re: LOT to get more A320s, 20% fleet is not flying

Who is operating the A320 for them??? Avión Express, I don’t really know much about them. They're a Lithuanian charter airline, do a lot of work for Jet2, TUI and historically Thomas Cook in the Summer peak seasons over here in Europe. Aircraft tend to be 2nd hand planes from large carriers, and ma...

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by JamesCousins
Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 773
Views: 112250

Re: When can we expect an announcement for the Virgin Atlantic/Virgin Connect plans?

I had heard April for the branding reveal (in terms of uniform, colour scheme, new website etc) and then go live in Sept 2020 for 'first flight'. But obviously that's not official so could change. Oh really? I thought it would be much sooner than that. I thought (hoped!) the reveal would come in Ja...

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by JamesCousins
Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific News and Discussion thread
Replies: 252
Views: 87782

Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

^^^ Interesting. Have two trips to Hong Kong coming up for tourism/fun. Haven’t had a single concern or thought once about not going. It’s interesting what scares people these days - or, perhaps, let’s them justify their own fears. Love the city and the food, can’t wait to go back. I'm travelling t...

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by JamesCousins
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019
Replies: 711
Views: 139498

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Indeed but the point I was making was that there is no longer the distinction that only VS can fly a route and that there could well be a mix. In time, I could foresee a situation where DL serve BOS/ATL/DTW/SEA and VS serve the non-main hubs of MCO/LAS/SFO/LAX and JFK (JFK obviously a main hub but ...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019
Replies: 711
Views: 139498

Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

8herveg wrote:
TurnaroudUK wrote:
I hear Delta are looking at Seattle


Where did you hear that from? I would have thought VS would operate it rather than DL. DL don’t even operate to LHR from SEA.


Depends if VS have the metal

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by JamesCousins
Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019
Replies: 25
Views: 3960

Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

TheOldDude wrote:
How much will Easyjet's actions change global temperatures going forward?


How much will every airlines following suit impact the environment is the bigger question here, surely? I don't think just 'carbon offsetting everything' is the solution, but it's better than the rest currently do.

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by JamesCousins
Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019
Replies: 25
Views: 3960

Re: Every Easyjet flight is carbon neutral starting today 19/11/2019

+ How much is tax deductible ? In the UK works out at whatever corporation tax is, so like 19%. But even then, why does this matter, every business expense is taxable - Airbus or Boeing hosting clients in 5 star hotels or dining clients in Michelin star restaurants is tax deductible, but you're not...

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by JamesCousins
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why don't Air China codeshare with Virgin Atlantic on LGW-PVG and LHR-CTU?
Replies: 9
Views: 1200

Re: Why don't Air China codeshare with Virgin Atlantic on LGW-PVG and LHR-CTU?

The answer lies here possibly: https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/uk-china-airlines-virgin-atlantic-to-join-af-klmchina-eastern-jv-501750 Virgin Atlantic joins AF/KL/China Eastern Joint Venture!! The Virgin jigsaw is starting to look more complete by the minute - fair play to VS & p...

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by JamesCousins
Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Virgin Atlantic to Fly A340s Into Summer 2020
Replies: 10
Views: 5522

Re: Rumor: Virgin Atlantic to Fly A340s Into Summer 2020

I know which murmurings you are referring too, and these stem from a poster saying that Virgin was asking internally for pilots to volunteer to stay longer on the A340 fleet. Within just days of this, though, Virgin has withdrawn a further A340, taking their fleet down to just 3 frames. While I agre...

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by JamesCousins
Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346
Replies: 76
Views: 15609

Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now. It’s not quite dead yet! Do you have a source for this? The last flight I can see penciled in is the 29th of December Internal memo asking for volunteer crews to stay rated on it rather than take A350 courses as it’s ‘likely’ to oper...

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by JamesCousins
Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 1187
Views: 532591

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Does anyone have an update on MSN 71, the A350 test frame ear marked for Virgin Atlantic? Is this still heading their way, and if so how far into the rework is it/what tasks need performing prior to it being a VS frame?

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by JamesCousins
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346
Replies: 76
Views: 15609

Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Kato79 wrote:
The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now.
It’s not quite dead yet!


Do you have a source for this? The last flight I can see penciled in is the 29th of December

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by JamesCousins
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346
Replies: 76
Views: 15609

Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Withdrawn Virgin Atlantic A340-600 G-VWEB, which has been under decomissioning at London Gatwick since 22nd October, positioned London Gatwick – Lourdes Tarbes for storage this morning as VS834P. Only 13yrs :confused: There's now 4 frames left, of which only 2 are seemingly operating full schedules...

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by JamesCousins
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346
Replies: 76
Views: 15609

Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

It’s probably up for its second D-Check and with carrriers’ general aversion of 4-engined birds nowadays VS must have decided that it’s not worth investing in heavy maintenance on it. All were scheduled to be retired by this month, but this has been pushed back to the year end, with all gone from t...

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by JamesCousins
Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic A340 at CVG
Replies: 8
Views: 3516

Re: Virgin Atlantic A340 at CVG

Side note, ever since VS has been part owned by DL they've been doing a large number of US sport charters. http://thevssource.com/ is a great resource for seeing the many Virgin have been doing as of late!

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by JamesCousins
Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Titan adding an A330
Replies: 6
Views: 3490

Re: Titan adding an A330

The 757s are on their way out too since they are moving to an all Airbus fleet. Perhaps Jet2 will take them since they are expanding and used 738's are getting scare due to the MAX grounding ? From what I've read, they picked it for it's strong premium seats and config for long haul missions. The l...

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by JamesCousins
Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: NK Announces Upcoming Order of 100 Airbus A320neo Family Aircraft plus Purchase Options for a further 50
Replies: 217
Views: 56384

Re: Spirit Airlines to announce major Airbus order

Correct me if I'm wrong but an MoU is basically: "We will buy 150 aircraft from you and the agreed prices for each subframe type are: A319: XXX A320: YYY A321: ZZZ We have options for a further AAA aircraft, if we take those options they will be priced at the agreed rates above" Which mea...

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by JamesCousins
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:19 pm
Forum: Aviation Photography
Topic: AMS panorama deck is open again!!
Replies: 3
Views: 6133

Re: AMS panorama deck is open again!!

Amazing, thanks for the heads up - I was waiting to book flights to AMS for this exact reason!

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by JamesCousins
Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe to become Virgin Connect in 2020
Replies: 151
Views: 41145

Re: Flybe to become Virgin Connect in 2020

It seems Flybe training have just gotten a 737-800 simulator. https://twitter.com/flybe/status/1186643465813319681?s=21 Are they offering training to other Airlines (Yes, they do that anyway with their Dash8 and ERJ Sims), or is this a hint at a plan to seriously upgauge some feed at LHR? There rea...

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by JamesCousins
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe to become Virgin Connect in 2020
Replies: 151
Views: 41145

Re: Flybe to become Virgin Connect in 2020

There's a lot of people who rely on these flights for 1 day / 2 day business travel, and they surely must be profitable otherwise why would they operate so many flights? Sadly this logic often doesn't stick with heavily in-debt airlines that have been around for a long time. I'm not saying there is...

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