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by Scorpius
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:58 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Politics and the 737Max
Replies: 193
Views: 11352

Re: Politics and the 737Max

Oh no, it's a miracle the plane didn't rip apart! The 737 is only the most popular jet airliner produced. Do you think they are just held together with super glue and prayer? Furthermore, why did you get on it if you felt your safety might be in jeopardy? I hope you never get a look at a Stearman o...

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by Scorpius
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:18 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Politics and the 737Max
Replies: 193
Views: 11352

Re: Politics and the 737Max

I'm sorry, are you trying to say that this is an acceptable level of quality? Then I'm not surprised that Boeing planes fall so often. However, if you want to give up the Airbus market or someone else, then continue to do so. Fall so often? What does that even mean? The 737NG/Max has an accident ra...

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by Scorpius
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Politics and the 737Max
Replies: 193
Views: 11352

Re: Politics and the 737Max

I would like to note one more thing. In January I flew 737-800 (if I'm not mistaken, this generation NG). The plane of the airline "Pobeda", they are all new, the oldest less than 5 years. And here is a photo of the state of the seam rivets I made on my smartphone. Do you think it is norm...

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by Scorpius
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Politics and the 737Max
Replies: 193
Views: 11352

Re: Politics and the 737Max

I would like to note one more thing. In January I flew 737-800 (if I'm not mistaken, this generation NG). The plane of the airline "Pobeda", they are all new, the oldest less than 5 years. And here is a photo of the state of the seam rivets I made on my smartphone. https://cdn.discordapp....

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by Scorpius
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Politics and the 737Max
Replies: 193
Views: 11352

Re: Politics and the 737Max

I would like to note one more thing. In January I flew 737-800 (if I'm not mistaken, this generation NG). The plane of the airline "Pobeda", they are all new, the oldest less than 5 years. And here is a photo of the state of the seam rivets I made on my smartphone. https://cdn.discordapp.c...

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by Scorpius
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Politics and the 737Max
Replies: 193
Views: 11352

Re: Politics and the 737Max

You forgot one thing: suspicions about the reliability of the 737 MAX appeared AFTER TWO ACCIDENTS, WHICH KILLED 346 PEOPLE.
The decision to suspend the operation of this type of aircraft is a reasonable precaution.

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by Scorpius
Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

As far as I'm concerned, all of the PAK-FA airframes right now are just part of a proof of concept for something that will never be mass produced. ;) As far as I know, you're wrong. The first serial contracts for the su-57 are already at the signing stage. For example, in 2020 it is planned to sign...

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by Scorpius
Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:19 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

All I need to say is “prove to me the Su-57 will ever enter mass-scale production.” As far as I'm concerned, all of the PAK-FA airframes right now are just part of a proof of concept for something that will never be mass produced. ;) As far as I know, you're wrong. The first serial contracts for th...

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by Scorpius
Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:53 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

...ouch yeah, that's the intake of a Boeing X-45 UCAV omg, do you seriously equate an X-45 with a takeoff weight of 3.5 tons to an apparatus that has a takeoff weight of 25-27 tons? And what about the shape of the air intake-do you think that in Soviet Russia the air has some other properties compa...

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by Scorpius
Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

We'll see if the Su-57 will be as good as it could have been without the help and money of the Indians. Good luck with this drone, we'll also see how many will be purchased by Russia and perhaps by other countries. The only thing we can say now is that the contribution of India in the programme of ...

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by Scorpius
Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:04 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

Yes, and very funny to listen to your statements about the "superiority of the US" in light of the fact that the development of the F-35 was used by the Soviet development programme of the YAK-141. Sorry for the double post, but this is factually incorrect. If you want to be taken serious...

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by Scorpius
Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

FIFY You write nonsense. The engine of the second stage - "product 30" is currently being tested. The first batch of aircraft for the army has already been ordered, and the first two aircraft should be delivered in 2019. In 2020, announced the purchase of another 13 units of su-57, some o...

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by Scorpius
Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Update: Adria Airways (JP) cancels LOI for 15 Superjets
Replies: 55
Views: 12442

Re: Adria Airways (JP) signs LOI for 15 Superjets

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by Scorpius
Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:33 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

That jet engine nozzle sticking out like that must not be very stealthy. This engine is for initial testing only. The production model will have a different engine. The engine is of course a stealthy design capitalist pigs won’t notice but also we ran out of money but hey this will make Trump fear ...

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by Scorpius
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

That jet engine nozzle sticking out like that must not be very stealthy. This engine is for initial testing only. The production model will have a different engine. That's what they said about the SU-57, 2x giant ugly engine nozzles bolted to a "stealthy" plane. "It's just a prototyp...

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by Scorpius
Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Ukraine crisis - 5 years on
Replies: 111
Views: 8912

Re: Ukraine crisis - 5 years on

Aren't you tired having to write that nonsense day in and day out? List of known dead russian soldiers in Ukraine: http://gruz200.net/ This "list" is BS. The first three people: 1. Толстых Михаил Сергеевич (кличка «Гиви») - born in Ilovaysk, served in the Ukrainian army in 2000-2002 2. ПА...

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by Scorpius
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:44 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

Re: С-70 russian UAV

Aesma wrote:
That jet engine nozzle sticking out like that must not be very stealthy.

This engine is for initial testing only. The production model will have a different engine.

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by Scorpius
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:27 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: С-70 russian UAV
Replies: 26
Views: 2798

С-70 russian UAV

http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20190123/154825182908535057.jpg http://forumimage.ru/uploads/20190131/154896235912022398.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zk2my15.jpg https://i.imgur.com/q4Pc98q.jpg All photos are taken from paralay forum: http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2683&start=180&...

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by Scorpius
Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: All about Russia
Replies: 28
Views: 1887

Re: All about Russia

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by Scorpius
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:15 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: All about Russia
Replies: 28
Views: 1887

Re: All about Russia

As an American, Russia and it's history fascinate me. I'd love to visit someday. Здравствуйте из США! Currently, up to 31.12.2018 of the year in Russia has simplified the mode of entry for foreigners. This was introduced for the 2018 world Cup, and until the end of this year for all foreigners who ...

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by Scorpius
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:08 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: All about Russia
Replies: 28
Views: 1887

Re: All about Russia

Are there adventure vacations westerners can take in Siberia/other parts of Russia during the summer? It seems those would be super popular with tourists. I'd love to do a rafting/hiking trip like that. In Russia there are three very popular destinations for Hiking and water tourism. Karelia, Altai...

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by Scorpius
Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:47 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: All about Russia
Replies: 28
Views: 1887

Re: All about Russia

https://cdn.jpg.wtf/futurico/93/70/1544706243-9370b114410f5bdad1011406600131ab.jpeg Last week there were two unique events in the history of cosmonautics. 1. A unique complex operation was carried out as part of the investigation of the incident with the depressurization of the Soyuz MS-09 spacecra...

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by Scorpius
Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:52 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

There somewhere was recently an article about the Kerch bridge, where a reporter told how he got into a winter storm on the bridge, and how there was paralyzed movement. Only here at the specified date, there was no storm. And the traffic on the bridge went without a hitch. Shame on you. https://ww...

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by Scorpius
Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:22 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

I lived in Russia and I know what to expect from any kind of Media there. Just watch Rossija1 and you know what I am talking about. Just Putin propaganda. And what is there on the channel "Russia 1"? Basic airtime it employs series, or any talk show. In which of them there is "just P...

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by Scorpius
Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:18 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

And you dare to speak after such statements as if you have an independent opinion? LOL. Your reporters lie in almost every "review" - distorting the facts or openly misrepresenting. There somewhere was recently an article about the Kerch bridge, where a reporter told how he got into a win...

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by Scorpius
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:45 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

I lived in Russia and I know what to expect from any kind of Media there. Just watch Rossija1 and you know what I am talking about. Just Putin propaganda. And what is there on the channel "Russia 1"? Basic airtime it employs series, or any talk show. In which of them there is "just P...

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by Scorpius
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:57 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Why would I want to follow Russian media? It is all Putin's Kremlin-run, so can't be trusted by definition. Now and then we get some reporter giving us an abstract of what the Russian media is reporting and it is hilarious. Russia just isn't that important, small economy for its population size and...

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by Scorpius
Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:54 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

we have dekoder: https://www.dekoder.org/ Much less information. And I also see that most of the references to the articles of Meduza and Novaya Gazeta are opposition, Pro-Western media (they are financed from the West). Where reviews of such publications as TASS, "Rossiyskaya Gazeta", &q...

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by Scorpius
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:30 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Unlike you, Dutchy, I don't trust any media by default at all. Because I know that the media everywhere write and show only what is beneficial to their beneficiaries. And most of all lie, by the way, it is the Western media. And what you here dragged - this is only technical mistake, when the plot ...

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by Scorpius
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:06 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Brilliant joke, performed with such seriousness and played out so well that it was almost intended to be real :lol: It is not clear exactly who misled the audience: the organizers of the event, or the authors of the plot . During a performance of Boris in the forum no one said that this is a real r...

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by Scorpius
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:24 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Hilarious and this is national Russian television :lol: you don't get jokes and humor in general, do you? Brilliant joke, performed with such seriousness and played out so well that it was almost intended to be real :lol: It is not clear exactly who misled the audience: the organizers of the event,...

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by Scorpius
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:45 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What's going on in France??
Replies: 46
Views: 2597

Re: What's going on in France??

Good for France, time to drag the guillotines out from storage! Hopefully they take their country back by any means necessary. Nah, the Mirage, order the Russian ambassador over and let him know that France considers encouraging violence and speeding fake news in its support and act of war. Best re...

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by Scorpius
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What's going on in France??
Replies: 46
Views: 2597

Re: What's going on in France??

It's a strange protest though, only on Saturdays, then on Sundays they recover, and on Mondays they go back to work, or on roundabouts for those without a job. It's not a great situation for the country, but it's not how the current French political system will end either. Macron's support has erod...

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by Scorpius
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

1. Your assurance means nothing. As said many times before, it is the Russian brigade here that talks of war, aggression etc. yourself included. The rest is against aggression. The same goes for the government-level, Putin regime = aggression. Western regimes try to de-escalate. 2. Like I said many...

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by Scorpius
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:19 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Why did the F117 have a relatively short servive life ?
Replies: 41
Views: 6314

Re: Why did the F117 have a relatively short servive life ?

I think the answer is simple - F117 was a failed development. The attempt to focus on stealth technology was too rash - it was not necessary to neglect the aerodynamics of the machine, which should fly. Also, the F117 was quite low level of technology-an example of that: the crash at the air show in...

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by Scorpius
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

If you read article 19 of the 1982 UN Convention on the law of the sea, you will see that the actions of Ukrainian military boats did not fall under the definition of "peaceful passage". Thus, Russia had the full right to use the provisions of article 25 of the UN Convention on the law of...

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by Scorpius
Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Could you name a specific rule of international law according to which "Ukraine has full navigational freedom" in that place? Because Russia refers just to the norms of international law, justifying the detention of Ukrainian military boats. 1. Торговые суда и военные корабли, а также дру...

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by Scorpius
Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:06 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Russia on the other Hand.... well, if the Russian government signs something you can almost put money on them violating that in short order. Thomas I wouldn’t rush to put money. It’s not Russia that is exiting misfile treaties. So you also don´t know the difference between quitting a treaty and vio...

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by Scorpius
Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

No, they are not. Tugg Did you even read my post? In this context, your opinion on whose the territorial waters are is secondary. What matters - who controls and protects them. It’s Russia - they believe they are theirs, are in control over them and are patrolling them. And yes - they will take ste...

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by Scorpius
Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

We know you must earn your rubles somewhere, but I hope you realize: nobody believes any of the Russian propaganda anymore. After all the lies and deceptions about MH17 and the Crimea invasion, no thinking person believes anything from liliPutin's disinformation campaigns. There little handbook: ht...

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by Scorpius
Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:26 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

So, it's time to analyze the incident in detail. The border service of the Federal security service of the Russian Federation holds a briefing on the Ukrainian provocation in the Kerch Strait. Two boats followed to the North-East in the direction of the Kerch Strait. At 21:30 24 November to 8 miles ...

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by Scorpius
Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:34 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

There has to be a balance. If the west wasn't playing this game worldwide I would totally agree that Russian influence and Russian interests should remain within our borders. Problem is you guys aren't playing by these rules, so here I totally agree with Russian foreign policy that neither should w...

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by Scorpius
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:08 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

That would be a couple of weeks where Russia doesn´t harass Ukrainian naval units in their own territorial waters. best regards Thomas Is it serious? And what will prevent them? The Russian navies tail between its legs. Like every single time they face push back. They never ever punsch in their own...

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by Scorpius
Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:39 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

That would be a couple of weeks where Russia doesn´t harass Ukrainian naval units in their own territorial waters. best regards Thomas Is it serious? And what will prevent them? In case of further attempts to violate the territorial borders of Russia, Ukrainian ships will also be delayed. Or what, ...

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by Scorpius
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:44 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Who knew Trump read A.net to utilize its foreign policy expertise? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/us-navy-black-sea-russia-ukraine/index.html I am guessing the Russia "hardliners" did a lot of convincing; he and his man-friend Putin must be on the outs... ;) Lol, another stup...

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by Scorpius
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:28 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Future of western fighter production lines
Replies: 58
Views: 9222

Re: Future of western fighter production lines

Do not forget that some part of the market will be interpreted by Russia, as SU-30, SU-34, MiG-35, SU-35 may be preferred for some of these countries. In addition, there is the Yak-130 and SU-25. The combination of the aircraft I have listed can cover most of the combat aviation needs. Usually coun...

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by Scorpius
Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:19 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Hey, long time no talk! Been very busy, might take a while to read and digest your post (and it seems like the conversation has moved on quite a bit already.) Guess I have the same question for you... Do Russians actually think NATO has any interest in invading Russia? (Outside of Crimea actually, ...

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by Scorpius
Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:09 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

as Russia is and always has been so desperate to get hard currency that we can just buy whatever you have and we want for much, much, much cheaper than taking it. best regards Thomas Not everything in the world is measured in money, Tommy. And I didn't see listings for the type of "sell a litt...

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by Scorpius
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:44 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Future of western fighter production lines
Replies: 58
Views: 9222

Re: Future of western fighter production lines

Do not forget that some part of the market will be interpreted by Russia, as SU-30, SU-34, MiG-35, SU-35 may be preferred for some of these countries. In addition, there is the Yak-130 and SU-25. The combination of the aircraft I have listed can cover most of the combat aviation needs.

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by Scorpius
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:05 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?
Replies: 331
Views: 11602

Re: Should US Navy park several ships in Ukraine waters near Kerch Strait ?

Where is tu204? We didn't see eye to eye on a lot but he was willing to criticize Russia when he saw fit and didn't treat Russia as some flawless country. We have posters that say they don't treat Russia as flawless yet they will predictably justify every Russian action and further crazy conquests....

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