Interesting LOPA from KLM for the A350s. Seems like they're responding to the Schiphol flight caps. If we treat the 787-9 as an A330-200 replacement and the 787-10 as an A330-300 replacement, looks like we have an upgauging trend. And a long-term trend towards just two widebody families means a very...
Jump to postIs there any chance that JAL will use their 25 A350-900 options to buy an international subfleet of A350-900s? Think about it: 1. The options are there for them to do it and they already operate the type domestically. 2. The jet could reach Miami, unlike a 787-10. 3. JAL currently have no internatio...
Jump to postI see this as an easy win for the A350-1000
CI already have 787s on order (appeasing Boeing). They also are taking deliveries of A350-900s at the moment. And the -1000 means more fleet simplification.
Non-Sunrise A35Ks will have no F. I'd guess the config will be 46J 40W 258Y, with all of J being between Door 1 and 2. https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-a330-replacement Going by the articles, you're correct, but are you absolutely sure that all non-Sunrise A35Ks will lack F? From what...
Jump to postI assume the non-Sunrise 35Ks will eliminate the wellbeing zone and reduce the pitch of the Economy cabin to 32". This would allow them to fit at least an extra 45 economy seats into the non-Sunrise jets. So presume 6F 52J 40W 195Y as a fair estimated LOPA. I think the seat count will be highe...
Jump to postVery curious how QF configure their 350K and their 78X PS 350K will be 6F 52J 40W 140Y I wonder if their 35K will be three or four class I assume the non-Sunrise 35Ks will eliminate the wellbeing zone and reduce the pitch of the Economy cabin to 32". This would allow them to fit at least an ex...
Jump to postI fully expect QF will soon make a widebody order to replace the A330s. And I think it will be a fleet of 787s in a less-premium configuration (think 28 to 30B/21PE). As a bonus, these could theoretically do TPAC from Brisbane and even Sydney with relative ease during high season, so yay for flexibi...
Jump to postNot sure if this is the right place to ask this, but will Korean Air take delivery of the A350s that were ordered by Asiana, after the Korean-Asiana merger is complete? I have no idea, but the A350-1000 would clearly be exceptionally useful for KAL... From ICN, that jet can reach anywhere in the wo...
Jump to postThese 787-9s replace the longhaul 747-400s (increasing frequency by decreasing size), but I think more 787-9s will be ordered to replace the A330s (which, alongside the A321XLR, will address a wide variety of south-east Asian routes from more ports). I'd expect these 787-9s to be like 28 to 30 Busi...
Jump to postThese 787-9s replace the longhaul 747-400s (increasing frequency by decreasing size), but I think more 787-9s will be ordered to replace the A330s (which, alongside the A321XLR, will address a wide variety of south-east Asian routes from more ports). I'd expect these 787-9s to be like 28 to 30 Busin...
Jump to postI don’t think AA would be that interested in going all-787-widebody fleet. They’ve always kept at least two types of widebodies in their fleet. That doesn't mean the benefits of fleet simplification (cost reduction on maintenance and pilot pools, staff training more easy, product consistency) aren'...
Jump to postThere's a lot to unpack here. 1.) AA is absolutely 100% moving toward mega-hubs, not away from them. The most growth in the system is happening in DFW CLT & MIA, and that is not going to change anytime soon. That's an interesting point. I should add that I'm not suggesting AA will abandon hubs ...
Jump to postI hate to get all random-speculation-y, but I was wondering if AA's longterm direction in fleet planning has changed as of late. Let me point out some trends overall and we can work from there: 1. The longterm trend is away from mega-hubs and towards more point-to-point operations on smaller jets at...
Jump to postI wouldn't count Airbus out. There are still several airlines with large 777-300ER fleets that will eventually need 1:1 replacement (Air France is an obvious case), and the A350-1000 is the perfect choice there. We need to wait for that replacement market to kick into gear before we'll see what happ...
Jump to postAirbus order to lose unless Boeing makes them an unbeatable deal. ....there is nothing to suggest Airbus has an edge. For one, no reason to think QF won't do a split order. For two, given QF has already gotten 20 A321XLRs on order, I think that means Airbus is guaranteed on the narrowbody side, esp...
Jump to postWith the new wider cabins I absolutely see JAL doing this. 9 across economy at 18" seats (possible under the new wider cabin) 8 across PE at 20" seats Not sure how they'd do business. Possibly Safran Versa? 7-abreast Apex Suites probably won't fit. First? 2 rows of 1-1-1, for 6 total. Also...
Jump to postAny chance NZ will drop NRT in favor of HND airport?
HND has more business traffic, as well as better domestic Japanese connection opportunities with ANA than NRT does.
I know HND slots aren't cheap but I can see a rationale for NZ wanting to get back to HND.
I think UA will go 787s... the -8, the -9, the -10 and perhaps the rumored -10ER could replace some 767s, and pretty much all of the 777-200/200ER fleet. Would really do a great job in terms of fleet simplification too. Of course UA want to keep Airbus happy (and presumably use the A350 deposits) to...
Jump to postTo me the perfect A333 replacement is the 787-10. Its sweet spot is roughly 4000-4500 nmi which is virtually every intra-Asian route in QF's network. ICN is 4498 nmi to HKG which is 3982 nmi. Everything else is between those two in terms of distance. Plus, QF can go out at or close to MTOW on virtu...
Jump to postI doubt the A321XLR will be ordered as one of the options for the A330 replacement - this RFP is going to be a mix of Boeing and Airbus widebodies. 20 A321XLRs have already been ordered, and I highly doubt QF will use them principally for domestic/transcon/trans-Tasman routes since they have much m...
Jump to postI find this whole thing to be a bit odd. None of the airlines that I know of makes the aircraft order process into a publicised contest. I don't mind airlines and manufacturers using air shows as an opportunity to flaunt orders. The options are finite, make the best decision based on what makes bus...
Jump to postThey also have around 70 cheap options (or something along those lines) on 787s. 20 options 50 rights The rights would have time expired, been over 15 years (December 2005). Thank you for the information. Exercising those 20 options would be perfectly reasonable. 20 x 787-9 would more than effectiv...
Jump to postIt'll only be a temporary route. You can expect QF to can it once the Sunrise A350s arrive. Agreed. This route is best thought of as a "preview" of Project Sunrise. Drums up excitement. I don't think New Zealanders are the target market here although I'm sure QF will price the route reaso...
Jump to postI agree with several previous posters that this is almost certainly a 787 order. QF already have 787s. They also have around 70 cheap options (or something along those lines) on 787s. The 787-9 is roughly the same size as the A330s, but it can also do longer routes when Qantas needs them even if in ...
Jump to postHopefully the extra width will be used by airlines to widen A350 armrests (most A350s have 1.5" armrests, not the standard 2"). That would at least give consistency between the A320, A330 and A350 in economy class.
Jump to postOn one hand, Spirit + Frontier = a larger ULCC with more economies of scale and thus lower prices in the lowest end of the market. On the other hand, IF JetBlue and Spirit operate basically in different segments of the market within the same group (basically with Spirit being the Jetstar and JetBlue...
Jump to postMy predictions for daily Project Sunrise routes SYD - LHR SYD - JFK SYD - CDG SYD - FRA MEL - LHR MEL - JFK I think the A350s will also be used from SYD & MEL to HND, LAX, SIN and SFO. I would've once said HKG too but I think geopolitical factors are getting in the way of such a situation eventu...
Jump to postI think QF will replace the A330s with A321XLRs and a smaller less-premium subfleet of 787-9s (say 30J/21PE). The 789 subfleet could also do additional TPAC North American routes when seasonally necessary.
Jump to postI think the product looks *extremely* sexy but the issue is comfort. I am a side sleeper and fine squirming around but I think this kind of design probably requires Finnair to introduce PJs on many flights (the comfort of squirming around is greatly increased in PJs). That said the cost savings from...
Jump to postI wonder if SQ would be interested in A350-1000s. They have a lot of 777-300ERs, and whilst SQ are going very big on the 777-9 the A350-1000 is both one size category smaller and has longer range. Not only that, but SQ's A350-900ULRs can be reverted back to standard A350-900s, and SQ could get some ...
Jump to postI'm surprised that QF seem to be pushing for the use of the A321XLR on domestic routes. That said they may just be placing orders early, and QF's deal with Airbus does give them flexibility to order normal A321neos as well. I suspect the 20 A321XLRs will be used for Transcon/Trans-Tasman initially r...
Jump to postThe 777-300ER is the back bone of their fleet and they're a 10 abreast user, 777-9 is a natural successor to it. More 787 to maybe replace their A330 would make sense too. I agree there. They're also a 747/777 Cargo user so I can see Saudia making a substantial 777X order covering both passenger an...
Jump to postMy guess is 737max8/10 on a 1 for 1 replacement with the NG. I can’t see any reason why you would go thru the complexities of retraining and entire mainline pilot group. Remember that JQ operates A320/A321neo aircraft, and QF is already getting up to 36 A321XLRs. So going to the A321neo family make...
Jump to postI see QF going for A320neo/A321neo to replace the 737s, A321XLRs already on order will replace most of the A330 fleet, and E2-195s to replace the Fokkers/717s. As much as I love the A220, I think the Embraer jet allows QF to have a more consistent in-flight product (seat widths etc). Not to mention ...
Jump to postIf QF go for 321neo/XLR for thinner routes into Asia I would hope they would at least consider putting a couple of rows of Y+ in. 3-3 in economy on a 8 hour flight doesn't sound like much fun, especially for single travellers or couples. I agree with you to an extent, but I'd like to point out two ...
Jump to postQuestion for the Qantas-watchers in this thread... Any thoughts on Qantas and the A321neo/XLR? Apparently the A321XLR is a candidate to replace QF's A330-200s. On paper this seems a compelling possibility. A321neos could (in a standard 2-class configuration) replace the 737-800s with both an improve...
Jump to postSQ have 8 abreast in their W cabin on their A350s. I can't imagine that QF will not follow SQ's lead on this. I think QF are likely to go 2-3-2, just as China Airlines and Lufthansa do. The basic reason is that these jets are being very specifically designed for ULH flying, and Joyce has acknowledg...
Jump to postAccording with what you guys said I updated the layout seating 276 Pax . F 6 (EK game changer 777 suite ) J 60 W 42 Y 168 [photoid] https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50854745301_536c681eea_k.jpg Projet sunrise by FLY GUY , no Flickr[/photoid] I find this very believable but with caveats. Firstly,...
Jump to posthttps://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton1/2020/08/28/air-new-zealand-mulls-dreamliner-only-fleet-to-meet-covid-horror-for-long-haul-travel/?sh=55c06fa152fb NZ is also saying the 200ERs will not come back and they will essentially shrink and then have the -10s replace the 300ERs. I'm not quite learne...
Jump to postAlso, I am curious as to whether or not QF would want first class on these planes---it would definitely be way less than 368 seats, probably in the realm of 290-300 seats. Internet access would be a must as well. I'm looking at QR's seat map... https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Qatar_Airways/Qatar_...
Jump to postWe should also keep in mind that the A350-1000 can do very long range routes (Project Sunrise being the proof). Also, SQ's A350-ULRs are in a 2 class config (Business and Premium Economy). Before COVID hit, I was expecting SQ to go with A350-1000s to replace the 777-300s, and with the A350-ULRs to e...
Jump to postThe 787-8 is an excellent plane for new longhaul routes as well as thin longhaul routes. Its been a great success even though Boeing made some initial blunders on it. If it weren't for the blunders it would be even more successful. In addition, the 787-8 is getting improvements from the 787-9, which...
Jump to postThis makes sense. The 787-8 can replace the A330-200 (they have similar, albeit not identical, capacities), and AA does have new-build 787-8s on order from Boeing. So it seems like AA are just bringing forward something which would've eventually happened anyway.
Jump to postHonestly given the geopolitical shift regarding HK, combined with COVID, I am surprised this isn't a cancellation.
Swapping to a 787-10 perhaps would make some sense, and additional A350-1000s could be ordered as a First Class subfleet.
That said, who knows? Let's see how things play out.
The AA 77W is very young. Why would they be replacing it? My post was made very much as an "in the very long term" speculation. AA will use those 777-300ERs as long as it is practical to do so, and if they were to go for 787-10s as a replacement that would likely happen very late in the l...
Jump to postWho needs a 787-10ER when the A350-900 already does basically that? An Airline that already operates the 787? I agree. Especially for an airline like AA, a 787-10ER, if it ever came to be, could be potentially ideal to replace their 777-300ERs. I do believe AA will be ordering more 787s to replace ...
Jump to postSome 787 operators could do with a 787-10ER, NZ is a case in point. After the 787 gets the PIPs that NZ require, are there any operators who need a 787-10ER but cannot get A350-900s instead? I don't know of any. American Airlines maybe, if they want to replace the 777-300ERs with PIP'd 787-10s in t...
Jump to postWith the ending of the 747, ditto with the 777 and the 777X probably being 3-5 years too late, it would seem that, for the time being, the 787 will be Boeing's mainstay widebody. As the type is now well established, what are the future prospects of the aircraft in terms of updates and future varian...
Jump to postThis makes complete sense to me. The more commonality the better, and the 788 is well-sized for the COVID-recovery era. Cutting production costs should permit lower sales prices, thus selling more 788s, and airlines which buy 788s will naturally be inclined to buy 789s and perhaps 78Xs as the recove...
Jump to postZK-NBT wrote:
Presumably may be right, I didn’t think QF had announced mainline were getting any? At least yet.