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by Kilgen
Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2024
Replies: 203
Views: 14517

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Copa Airlines will start its commercial 737 MAX-8 operations on July 5 and has outlined where is going to deploy it. I didn't get their intended plans. CM currently has 29 [737 MAX 9s]. That means a drastic change into their current fleet. Regards. I think this announcement is similar to the one th...

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by Kilgen
Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2024
Replies: 203
Views: 14517

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

Most likely they could not compete with CO and then UA via IAH. This is precisely the unsolved mistery about why AA DFW-PTY hasn’t worked succesfully. We can actually find at least one daily flight bound for DFW from either BZE, SAL, GUA, SJO and LIR. Furthermore, all these Central American station...

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by Kilgen
Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2024
Replies: 203
Views: 14517

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

When did AA last try DFW-PTY? They weren’t doing it when I went to PTY in 2019. I think the last time AA tried DFW-PTY was in mid 2015 to 2016. I think it was a seasonal flight with at most 1 or 2 fx per week. AA has tried that route since mid 2000's with mixed results. First it was permanent, then...

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by Kilgen
Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2024
Replies: 203
Views: 14517

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

CM to TQO was unexpected. I know that last year CM made an announcement about taking a look at the airport.

I wonder if TQO is similar to NLU. A flight to appease the Mexican Government?

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by Kilgen
Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Copa to launch Florianópolis (FLN), Tulum (TQO), and Raleigh (RDU)
Replies: 32
Views: 3053

Re: Copa to launch FLN, TULUM and RDU

The announcement for Tulum was a surprise. Last year there were some rumors https://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2023/11/24/sigue-copa-airlines-el-desarrollo-del-aeropuerto-internacional-de-tulum, but I thought it was mostly political declarations, to appease the Mexican Government. I wonder if this is jus...

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by Kilgen
Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2024
Replies: 203
Views: 14517

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

The last press release states how Brazil is the second main market for Copa Airlines. I had always thought about Colombia instead. The USA is of course the main source for them. I wonder if it is the second main market in South America for Copa. Because from their 2022 Annual Report it looks like t...

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by Kilgen
Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2024
Replies: 203
Views: 14517

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

I’d like to hear CWB’s reaction to CM to FLN. CM reason as of why FLN before CWB might have to do with CWB’s runway length. I wouldn't be surprised at all. CM since 2017 has been looking into destinations in Brazil, and I believe CWB was one of them: https://www.transponder1200.com/copa-airlines-pr...

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by Kilgen
Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Brazil Aviation - 2024
Replies: 59
Views: 6056

Re: Brazil Aviation - 2024

I think CM will start Florianópolis in June/July. They will make an announcement on Monday Feb 5 at Florianópolis airport. https://twitter.com/GovSC/status/1753431358465032463 Next Monday, February 5th, representatives from Copa Airlines will participate in an event at Florianópolis International Ai...

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by Kilgen
Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2024
Replies: 203
Views: 14517

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

I think CM will start Florianópolis in June/July. They will make an announcement on Monday Feb 5 at Florianópolis airport. https://twitter.com/GovSC/status/1753431358465032463 Next Monday, February 5th, representatives from Copa Airlines will participate in an event at Florianópolis International Ai...

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by Kilgen
Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2024
Replies: 203
Views: 14517

Re: Central America Aviation - 2024

https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/ ... 3310217665
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PTY moved 17,825,465 passengers in 2023. It surpassed the number of passengers transported in 2019 which was 16,582,601 or an increase of 7.5%.

https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/ ... 3310217665

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by Kilgen
Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COPA looking to expand in Brazil
Replies: 5
Views: 1406

Re: COPA looking to expand in Brazil

gatibosgru wrote:
All great options for CM. I always wondered why they didn't fly to VCP.
They tried, but they cancel that route in 2015.

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by Kilgen
Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2023
Replies: 286
Views: 47007

Re: Central America Aviation - 2023

CM flight 393 to Tampa had to return back to PTY due to bomb threat: https://twitter.com/aacivilpty/status/1712871188307808413 https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cm393#326c036f They found a suspicious object in the lavatory of the plane, thus they returned to PTY: https://twitter.com/tvnnot...

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by Kilgen
Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Canadian Airports & Smaller Canadian Air Carriers - 2023
Replies: 263
Views: 48016

Re: Canadian Airports & Smaller Canadian Air Carriers - 2023 Thread

Canada & Panama sign an expanded bilateral. Each nation's airlines can both operate a combined 14x weekly pax services and freighters become unlimited ops: https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/10/ita-airways-announces-seven-new-destinations-for-summer-2024/ The new bilateral is still a joke. 14 fx...

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by Kilgen
Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Canadian Airports & Smaller Canadian Air Carriers - 2023
Replies: 263
Views: 48016

Re: Canadian Airports & Smaller Canadian Air Carriers - 2023 Thread

Canada & Panama sign an expanded bilateral. Each nation's airlines can both operate a combined 14x weekly pax services and freighters become unlimited ops: https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/10/ita-airways-announces-seven-new-destinations-for-summer-2024/ The new bilateral is still a joke. 14 fx...

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by Kilgen
Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Canadian Airports & Smaller Canadian Air Carriers - 2023
Replies: 263
Views: 48016

Re: Canadian Airports & Smaller Canadian Air Carriers - 2023 Thread

Canada & Panama sign an expanded bilateral. Each nation's airlines can both operate a combined 14x weekly pax services and freighters become unlimited ops: https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/10/ita-airways-announces-seven-new-destinations-for-summer-2024/ The new bilateral is still a joke. 14 fx...

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by Kilgen
Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:27 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Small cities with multiple airports. Why?
Replies: 42
Views: 3057

Re: Small cities with multiple airports. Why?

In Panama City it's a bit of a different story, as initially the Panama Canal and it's banks were considered American soil. After all the canal was built by the Americans. Only in 1999 it was returned to Panama. PTY is the big airport serving Panama City. It's quite some distance from the canal, th...

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by Kilgen
Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2023
Replies: 286
Views: 47007

Re: Central America Aviation - 2023

cybergus wrote:
Good for CM but very shocked BRM came before PZO or PMV.

I am not that surprised, as Venezolana already flies from BRM to PTY. So there is already a known existing market for CM at BRM.

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by Kilgen
Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation June 2023
Replies: 153
Views: 26187

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2023

According to https://twitter.com/HavaSosyalMedya/status/1668250325399085059 and latter checking on TK's website, TK is adding 1 fx on Oct 29 to PTY and 1 more on Dec 26. So it looks like IST- PTY will move from 10 fx to 12 fx per week by the end of the year. 5 of them will be direct and 7 will have ...

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by Kilgen
Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2023
Replies: 286
Views: 47007

Re: Central America Aviation - 2023

https://aviacionaldia.com/2023/06/copa- ... zuela.html
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CM will start flying to BRM (Barquisimeto, Venezuela) starting on October 17. 3 fx per week: Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.
PTY 9:13 BRM 12:17
BRM 13:28 PTY 14:32

https://aviacionaldia.com/2023/06/copa- ... zuela.html

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by Kilgen
Wed May 24, 2023 4:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network - 2023
Replies: 4642
Views: 975419

Re: United Airlines Network - 2023

Copa should be considered a UA franchisee for all intents and purposes. They sold most of their share of Copa a few years ago. They still have a close partnership, but just like they do with AC, LH and some others. Not the same. UA has JBAs with LH and AC which gives them government-approved immuni...

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by Kilgen
Sun May 14, 2023 12:04 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Smaller cities with 2 commercial airports
Replies: 21
Views: 2712

Re: Smaller cities with 2 commercial airports

CrookedBill wrote:

Or what about Panama City, which has PTY, PAC and ECP?


I think you meant PTY, PAC and BLB. ECP is in Panama City FL.

But Panama City has a population over 1 million, so it would not be a small city.

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by Kilgen
Sat May 13, 2023 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2023
Replies: 286
Views: 47007

Re: Central America Aviation - 2023

https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/a ... c4ea80e81c
From it, they are expecting to receive 8 B737-8 next year and 10 more B737-9 this year (they have already received 2 B737-9).
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CM published its new fleet plan for next year: https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/a ... c4ea80e81c
From it, they are expecting to receive 8 B737-8 next year and 10 more B737-9 this year (they have already received 2 B737-9).

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by Kilgen
Wed Apr 05, 2023 1:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Caribbean Aviation - 2023
Replies: 1599
Views: 202104

Re: Caribbean Aviation - 2023

Looks like the Arajet issues are due to an issue of missed payments : In response to Aviacionline’s inquiry, the company confirmed that there was an issue stemming from an approach fee payment that was not being automatically charged to the Arajet account since the beginning of operations in Septemb...

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by Kilgen
Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Caribbean Aviation - 2023
Replies: 1599
Views: 202104

Re: Caribbean Aviation - 2023

Sunrise Airways will fly from PAP to PTY from April 19. 2 fx per week on Wed and Sat. From Twitter: https://twitter.com/carelpedre/status/1628899590740094976 There’re reasons keeping CM from returning to PAP, but the market Is there. Not sure if Sunrise might still have the loads to keep PAP-PTY wh...

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by Kilgen
Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Caribbean Aviation - 2023
Replies: 1599
Views: 202104

Re: Caribbean Aviation - 2023

https://twitter.com/carelpedre/status/1 ... 0740094976
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Sunrise Airways will fly from PAP to PTY from April 19. 2 fx per week on Wed and Sat. From Twitter: https://twitter.com/carelpedre/status/1 ... 0740094976

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by Kilgen
Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Copa will fly PTY to AUS
Replies: 41
Views: 7155

Re: Copa will fly PTY to AUS

Not sure if Phoenix is next, but according to https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/02/copa-airlines-expects-delays-in-the-delivery-of-new-boeing-737-max-9s/, CM will open at least 2 more destinations at the end of the year: Asked where the estimated 12-14% capacity growth will come from, whether from a...

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by Kilgen
Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Copa will fly PTY to AUS
Replies: 41
Views: 7155

Re: Copa will fly PTY to AUS

https://twitter.com/AUStinAirport/statu ... 3654198272
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PR is out. Via Twitter: https://twitter.com/AUStinAirport/statu ... 3654198272

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by Kilgen
Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOR: Copa Airlines to SAT
Replies: 112
Views: 15342

Re: RUMOR: Copa Airlines to SAT

SEA YVR are also rumored to be added this year I don't think they will fly to YVR. The Canadian government has denied several times renegotiating the existing bilateral with Panama or allow extra fx to CM. Otherwise CM would have been flying daily to YYZ and YUM and not the current 5x and 4x per we...

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by Kilgen
Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOR: Copa Airlines to SAT
Replies: 112
Views: 15342

Re: RUMOR: Copa Airlines to SAT

It's odd, CM has a page dedicated to dates for relaunching previous destinations that were suspended in Covid, yet at the same time are launching all-new destinations beforehand. Does make one wonder how dedicated they are to the former... Most of the pending destinations were destinations with les...

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by Kilgen
Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2023
Replies: 286
Views: 47007

Re: Central America Aviation - 2023

https://twitter.com/jptrampuz/status/16 ... 7962946561
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Looks like CM will launch a new route: PTY-MEC
https://twitter.com/jptrampuz/status/16 ... 7962946561

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by Kilgen
Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2023
Replies: 286
Views: 47007

Re: Central America Aviation - 2023

https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/a ... c4ea80e81c

CM will receive 1 B737-8 and 12 B737-9.

1 B737-800 is leaving the fleet.
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avi8 wrote:
Does anyone know how many MAXs Copa is getting this year?

According to https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/a ... c4ea80e81c

CM will receive 1 B737-8 and 12 B737-9.

1 B737-800 is leaving the fleet.

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by Kilgen
Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2023
Replies: 286
Views: 47007

Re: Central America Aviation - 2023

https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/01/panama-air-france-klm-moves-its-operations-to-tocumen-airports-terminal-2/ I guess more will come on next months From previous interviews, the CEO of Tocumen, said the the other tenant of the T2 is UA. They have not said anything else about the other airlines. B...

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by Kilgen
Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central America Aviation - 2023
Replies: 286
Views: 47007

Re: Central America Aviation - 2023

The flight attendants told us that the baggage claim was only available at T2 for those passengers arriving to Panama. I guess that was temporarily. All of CM baggage claim is on the T2, regardless in which terminal you arrive. The same is for the check in. All CM check in is on the T2. Starting on...

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by Kilgen
Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hp-9919cmp#2dfd7b95 HP-9919CMP delivered :) :) That is great 19 MAX9 for Copa and soon HP-9920CMMP will be delivered. Does anybody know when will they start receiving MAX8 ? According to their fleet plan: https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/ad254597-dde...

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by Kilgen
Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/ ... 3781900289
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TK will add 3fx with direct flights to IST (no BOG stop from IST to PTY) starting October 30 on Tues, Fri and Sun.
https://twitter.com/tocumenaero/status/ ... 3781900289

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by Kilgen
Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

Looks like no one has posted this yet. Wingo Panama received its AOC on Aug 12. Via Tweeter: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425936619811581958 Wingo is planning to fly to DAV in 2023, 7fx per week. It is opening HAV and SDQ in Sept and Oct of this year from BLB, 2fx weekly each. https://www.prens...

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by Kilgen
Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

https://twitter.com/MondolQuijada/statu ... 2378938368
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Looks like CM painted one of their Max in the colors they had in the 90s. Picture in the tweet: https://twitter.com/MondolQuijada/statu ... 2378938368

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by Kilgen
Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

They have updated their fleet plan: https://copa.gcs-web.com/static-files/ad254597-dde8-4a2d-9d03-28c4ea80e81c . If they don't renew leases on some B737-800 they will finish with 108 planes by the end of 2023, otherwise it would be 111. thanks for sharing. A couple of notes; 1 - slide shows only on...

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by Kilgen
Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

They released the transcript of the Q2 2022 earnings call for Copa: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4530921-copa-holdings-s-cpa-ceo-pedro-heilbron-on-q2-2022-results-earnings-call-transcript Lots of interesting tidbits in the earnings call. They will reach 100% of pre pandemic capacity en Q3 2022. ...

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by Kilgen
Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Case/Niche for 737-MAX10 ?
Replies: 78
Views: 12789

Re: Business Case/Niche for 737-MAX10 ?

Look at Copa´s layouts. On their Max9s the configs are: C16W24Y126 (166 ttl) and C12W24Y138 (174 ttl). These configs are definitely designed to help achieve necessary range in their network. The 166 seat config vs United´s C20Y159 (179) does count. But UA probably does not need it. And will probabl...

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by Kilgen
Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Colombia's Wingo authorized to operate to Argentina
Replies: 4
Views: 924

Re: Colombia's Wingo authorized to operate to Argentina

https://www.boletinoficial.gob.ar/detal ... 5/20220718, the flights requested are Colombia-PTY-EZE. The Colombian cities requested are MDE, CTG, CLO, BAQ, ADZ, PEI, BGA.
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The only thing is that the flights are not direct. According to https://www.boletinoficial.gob.ar/detal ... 5/20220718, the flights requested are Colombia-PTY-EZE. The Colombian cities requested are MDE, CTG, CLO, BAQ, ADZ, PEI, BGA.

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by Kilgen
Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

Can someone take now the metro from Panama City downtown to get at Tocumen international airport ? The Ministerio de Seguridad Pública de Costa Rica has sent at least three flights linking David and San Jose to rescue some stranded Costa Rican travelers. These flights were operated on the DH6 - Twi...

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by Kilgen
Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

Tomorrow the T2 at PTY will officially open. Today CM opened its newest Copa Club at the T2: https://www.tvn-2.com/nacionales/Copa-Airlines-Aeropuerto-Internacional-Tocumen-video_0_6154634534.html Convenient if you are in T2 or the upper gates of T1. A serious hike if you are leaving from T1 1-10.....

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by Kilgen
Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

https://www.tvn-2.com/nacionales/Copa-A ... 34534.html
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Tomorrow the T2 at PTY will officially open.
Today CM opened its newest Copa Club at the T2: https://www.tvn-2.com/nacionales/Copa-A ... 34534.html

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by Kilgen
Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mexico City new Airport News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 351
Views: 90376

Re: Updated: Mexico city's new airport to be improved Santa Lucía Airport

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537859606130606086
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Looks like CM will start flying to NLU 3 times a week starting September 26.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537859606130606086

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by Kilgen
Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537859606130606086
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Looks like CM will start flying to NLU 3 times a week starting September 26.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537859606130606086

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by Kilgen
Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

I'd have thought there'll also be a mention for TUC, CBB and AQP coming from those meetings. With the current Argentinian Gov. I don't see TUC. Also, because Salta has not restarted, I don't see opening a new destination in Argentina. Although before SLA was opened, they were also talking with TUC....

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by Kilgen
Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 418
Views: 63900

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2022

CM had this week meetings with several government groups due to Fiexpo Latinoamérica and some new potential destinations have been mentioned. I doubt all of them will happen, but here is the list: Punta del Este (PDP), Uruguay https://www.portaldeamerica.com/index.php/pda/entrevistas-y-reportajes/it...

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