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by JustSomeDood
Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: India shuts down aviation completely
Replies: 45
Views: 12780

Re: India shuts down aviation completely

No carrier in India has the balance sheet to realistically withstand shutting down all of their operations if it goes on for a while (which is likely). I can see Air India and maybe Indigo being able to survive through this, for everyone else, it won't be pretty unless Tata is willing to inject some...

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by JustSomeDood
Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 337585

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cathay-pacific-aicrafts-boc-aviation/hong-kongs-cathay-pacific-to-sell-six-boeing-aircrafts-to-boc-aviation-idUSKBN2131OI Good news for CX, BOC Aviation just injected 700 million USD of their cash into purchasing/leasing planes to CX that would have an incredibly ...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 337585

Re: Lufthansa Asks for Bailout from EU/Germany

In times like these, where everyone is going to be asking for state aid to survive, traditional measures of liquidity and balance sheet won't matter, all that matters is whether the countries oblige.

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 337585

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

frmrCapCadet wrote:
The FAA and White House need to facilitate repatriation of those in Europe. To do otherwise simply demonstrates they are buffoons.


If nothing else they could pay stupid $$ for the flights to backdoor subsidy the US airlines for their tanking revenues...

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by JustSomeDood
Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sale-leaseback on 788s for American
Replies: 42
Views: 11785

Re: Sale-leaseback on 788s for American

And what makes anyone think with all that’s happening in China that BOC won’t go the way of HNA group? Not that I think it’s likely but there may be other ‘safer’ lessors. Assuming the money has already changed hands, how's a lessor defaulting gonna be bad for AA? Best case scenario they don't pay ...

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by JustSomeDood
Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus considers A330neo production rate cut
Replies: 161
Views: 24723

Re: Airbus considers A330neo production rate cut

Dude, this is an aviation forum. We like planes. Some more than others. Just as there are fans of the 717 and the 764, the A338 will have at least one cheerleader. Nothing wrong with that. Thank you. :smile: In any case, PR isn’t very likely to get the A338 as they’ve done the long-and-thin thing w...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus considers A330neo production rate cut
Replies: 161
Views: 24723

Re: A330neo - 2020 not so great a year?

Do you think they'll cut production or build a bunch of white tails for a year? That's a fair question considering the fact air travel could bounce back quite quickly toward the end of the year or next year. In the same Bloomberg article, Scherer said that after SARS, air traffic bounced back with ...

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by JustSomeDood
Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter
Replies: 139
Views: 22826

Re: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter

An A35KF is going to weight maybe 5T more than a Frankensteined 319T A359F. Those are numbers you have just made up. I cannot see where an additional 5t would come from if you were to marry the -900 front and after sections to the -1000 centre section. The engines are 272 kg heavier (source TCDS) e...

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by JustSomeDood
Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airasia X (D7) in trouble - looking to return 5 leased aircraft early, sell 2 aircraft to raise cash
Replies: 118
Views: 17868

Re: Air Asia-X Defers A330NEO's

I think the tenuous links being drawn are nothing to the reality. A330s are the backbone of most airlines in Asia. Which still doesn't make replacing 24 A330ceos with 78 A330neos + 30 A321 XLRs within 8 years (quadrupling fleet size) any more sustainable or sound a business plan with all the capaci...

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by JustSomeDood
Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airasia X (D7) in trouble - looking to return 5 leased aircraft early, sell 2 aircraft to raise cash
Replies: 118
Views: 17868

Re: Air Asia-X Defers A330NEO's

THe size of the A330neo order always seemed rather questionable since Air Asia X hasn’t appeared to strategically need a large widebody fleet with all the variability in their long haul route network. The order has changed many times. Given the bribery allegations, it does appear that the order may...

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by JustSomeDood
Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Altavair to buy 38 aircraft from Etihad: A330s, 777s
Replies: 45
Views: 13345

Re: Altavair to buy 38 aircraft from Etihad: A330s, 777s

I am surprised that Etihad couldn’t convince Altavair to take the A350-1000s off their hands. Different target segment, Altavair is doing this deal as a way to get cheap freighter feedstock for future P2Fs. They aren't actually getting the 77Ws until a few years down the line when the conversion pr...

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by JustSomeDood
Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Altavair to buy 38 aircraft from Etihad: A330s, 777s
Replies: 45
Views: 13345

Re: Altavair to buy 38 aircraft from Etihad: A330s, 777s

I am surprised that Etihad couldn’t convince Altavair to take the A350-1000s off their hands. Different target segment, Altavair is doing this deal as a way to get cheap freighter feedstock for future P2Fs. They aren't actually getting the 77Ws until a few years down the line when the conversion pr...

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by JustSomeDood
Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter
Replies: 139
Views: 22826

Re: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter

It can be interesting to compare the A350F to the 77L when both are carrying more denser cargo (of which the 77L is optimized for). With the 77L having a higher payload it can fly further when both aircraft volume out. This will still becthe case with a p2f 777-300ER ..and this will be the issue fo...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter
Replies: 139
Views: 22826

Re: Cargo facts: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter

You won't get a 777-300ER conversion for 80 mio. In the topic when it was launched, most estimates was that it would cost 100 to 120 mio just to convert. It only makes sense in the light that the 747 is going out of production, and it will be the only similar sized product available. Where are you ...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter
Replies: 139
Views: 22826

Re: Cargo facts: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter

Converting an 777 is all but cheap. I understood replacing the floor beams is an expensive job. It’ll be great for FX but as always it comes down to cost. A350s are not cheap and a A350F won’t change that. You can still get great deals on the 77F and FX still has 15 on order (for a total fleet size...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter
Replies: 139
Views: 22826

Re: Cargo facts: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter

Sounds expensive, lots of cheap 777s are going to be available soon. Converting an 777 is all but cheap. I understood replacing the floor beams is an expensive job. While that capability may be useful, by far the biggest operator of the 77F is FedEx who, we are often told, max out on volume well be...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020
Replies: 475
Views: 29719

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Multiple airlines may shut shop worldwide cos the "almost" pandemic. Wonder which ones in India may not make it. I suspect 1 or 2 may stop flying if this continues. Indian carriers, even with how terrible their financials usually are, have probably been among the least affected carriers i...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Environment campaigners win Heathrow runway ruling
Replies: 170
Views: 13707

Re: Environment campaigners win Heathrow runway ruling

People who actually care about the environment would see that a third runway at Heathrow is a good way to address the severe holding/congestion problems (I.E lots of planes burning fuel waiting to land) currently plaguing LHR. Unless they can propose other solutions to address this (they won't), en...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Environment campaigners win Heathrow runway ruling
Replies: 170
Views: 13707

Re: Environment campaigners win Heathrow runway ruling

People who actually care about the environment would see that a third runway at Heathrow is a good way to address the severe holding/congestion problems (I.E lots of planes burning fuel waiting to land) currently plaguing LHR. Unless they can propose other solutions to address this (they won't), env...

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by JustSomeDood
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DY Financial Discussion - 2020
Replies: 603
Views: 149694

Re: DY about to go bust?

Poor Norwegian has the 737 MAX issue and the 787 RR engine issue to deal with as it struggles to stay in business. Agree. Had they only gone for Airbus 320Neo and A350 it could have been a different story. Oh well. They'd be dead at this point with the A320neos instead of MAXes. All those extra del...

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by JustSomeDood
Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:00 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: KPMG postulates a 22yr aircraft economic life +/-3yrs newTech/oldTech
Replies: 9
Views: 2245

Re: KPMG postulates a 22yr aircraft economic life +/-3yrs newTech/oldTech

While its a start, to divide aircraft economic life between current tech and old tech is way too simplistic IMO. At the very least, it would be essential to divide between narrowbodies and widebodies, with the former having longer useful economic lives as they have a wider operator base. An A320neo ...

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by JustSomeDood
Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1387
Views: 211630

Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

At this rate many of South Korea's remarkably fragmented, financially precarious airlines will be culled, who wants to take a gander at the carriers there which won't survive?

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by JustSomeDood
Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:51 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What are advantages/ disadvantages of A330-200 versus B787-8?
Replies: 22
Views: 4788

Re: What are advantages/ disadvantages of A330-200 versus B787-8?

Advantages for A330-200 (vs 787-8) - Ridiculously cheap to lease up, a combination of lease returns and airline bankruptcies means that its just not difficult to get 6-8 year old A330s for like ~$200-250k/month, which is on par with what similar age 737NGs/A321s are going for these days. - Likely be...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Domestic Widebody Subs from Suspended China Service
Replies: 58
Views: 12706

Re: US Domestic Widebody Subs from Suspended China Service

Unexpected windfall for the guys up front then, must be quite an upgrade from domestic business to getting flatbeds intended for long-haul.

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft, UPDATE: HNA group revealed as buyer
Replies: 271
Views: 64820

Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft, UPDATE: HNA group revealed as buyer

Counting an order by HNA as a "real order" might be grounds for breach of fiduciary duty at this point, there's still a good amount of widebodies sitting in TLS that are supposed to deliver to HNA's airlines but can't because HNA can't pay for the things.

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by JustSomeDood
Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:25 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: NMA/MOM/797 variant performance analysis
Replies: 151
Views: 13613

Re: NMA/MOM/797 variant performance analysis

Really interesting stuff here, just want to ask a couple of things: SFC has been set to 0.49 in all scenarios, this is obviously a fuel consumption/thrust figure of some sort but how does it compare to other contemporary A/C? (A320neo/B787/A350/777X et al) What assumptions, if any, does this model m...

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by JustSomeDood
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bamboo Airways Plans To Buy 12 Boeing 777Xs Worth $5 Billion
Replies: 89
Views: 12696

Re: *Triggered*: Bamboo Airways plans $5 billions order for 12 777Xs

If they really wanted to try their hand at ULR flying it would probably be cheaper and more prudent (in the short term) to source some used -200LRs for cheap (not exactly hot product) rather than convince lessors/financiers that an airline founded in 2017 will be fine with financing/leasing 12 rathe...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Winter 2020
Replies: 97
Views: 20206

Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Winter 2020

If an airline was flying a say 20 year old 737-800, its cheaper to own now then lease?? If said airline had MAXs on order or in service? Very much so. Any operator that counted on MAXs to gradually replace older NGs (15+ years old) returning to lessors now faces the prospect of having to extend the...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Winter 2020
Replies: 97
Views: 20206

Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Winter 2020

It will be interesting to see how A321ceo values and rents hold up over the next few years, at current fuel prices its likely very competitive CASM-wise to A320neo, albeit at bigger trip cost with more seats to fill (which should be fine assuming travel growth holds up and slots scarcity starts driv...

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by JustSomeDood
Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus redesigns A350 control panel to resist liquid spillage
Replies: 169
Views: 30173

Re: A350 engine shutdown incidents linked to cockpit drink spills

So will this force airlines and the FAA to look at the military practice of assisting their crews with medication / pills? I'd imagine replacing Coffee with say, Modafinil in the A350 cockpit just because the engines could shut down with an errant spill is a great way for pilots to not want to fly ...

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by JustSomeDood
Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Could Amazon order new freighters ?
Replies: 52
Views: 7417

Re: Could Amazon order new freighters ?

Doubt it, every leasing company with 777-300ERs is going to pitch their planes as relatively low-cycle feedstock for P2F to Amazon. And that's something which makes more sense to Amazon than every current new-build freighter bar maybe the 767F.

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by JustSomeDood
Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019
Replies: 103
Views: 28598

Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Amazing thread. Any info on A330-900 and 787-10? Assuming an aircraft is factory fresh. A330-900: 800-900k/month 787-10: 1.1-1.2m/month 800-900k/month is very high for the 330neo currently 3 years ago Azul airlines signed a deal to lease 5 a339 for 783,000$ only , at the present the cost should be ...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1387
Views: 211630

Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

https://weibo.com/1699540307/Is0Jd1ECn?from=page_1002061699540307_profile&wvr=6&mod=weibotime&type=comment#_rnd1580443193387 Upon requests of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs PRC, Xiamen Air is sending out 2 planes today Jan 31 to Bangkok and Kota Kinabalu to bring back home Wuhan pax wh...

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by JustSomeDood
Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM buys a used 777-300 ER and 2 AMS slots for $23M
Replies: 104
Views: 28990

Re: KLM buys a used 777-300 ER and 2 AMS slots for $23M

Even needing a D-check, KLM just got a nice deal on a 77W, which can hang around few years for pax work before getting converted to a cargo plane. The book values are low enough such that this would be a valid route from the get-go.

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by JustSomeDood
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:40 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Future VLA Market?
Replies: 91
Views: 5228

Re: Future VLA Market?

Cathay Pacific will have 21 in all by 2024. The government-controlled airlines probably will avoid buying another american plane as long as they can after the MAX fiasco, and most of the world is waiting on EASA's word on the 777X since it's insisting on a joint certification this time. And the VLA...

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by JustSomeDood
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:45 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Future VLA Market?
Replies: 91
Views: 5228

Re: Future VLA Market?

A350s for China and 787s for India are already packed to the damn gills I stand corrected. You haven't made zero arguments; you've partially made at least one transparently stupid argument. To complete this bad argument, your next step would be, "given that these [fish, apparently] have no gil...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's the difference between Worldwide fleet and Mixed fleet at BA?
Replies: 54
Views: 10682

Re: What's the difference between Worldwide fleet and Mixed fleet at BA?

Is Mixed Fleet BA's way to lower costs with new crew? Simple answer: yes. Worldwide only fly longhaul routes, Eurofleet only fly short haul routes. Mixed fleet fly a mix of both. There are differences in scheduling agreements, allowances, pay structure and CSM (senior crew member) and the CSL/forme...

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by JustSomeDood
Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sir Tim Clark to step down
Replies: 66
Views: 16422

Re: Sir Tim Clark to step down

STC did an amazing job no doubt. But it is a lot easier to do a amazing job if you have a lot - a lot of cash and a new growing city like Dubai. Wish them the best for the future (both STC and Emirates, and look forward to fly them again) Without EK being such a dominant titan of an airline linking...

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by JustSomeDood
Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Boeing 787-10 range: how far can it stretch its wings ?
Replies: 126
Views: 21600

Re: The Boeing 787-10 range: how far can it stretch its wings ?

We will see won’t we, I bang my head to, what will NZ replace the 77W with? Luxon is no longer CEO I don’t think things will change to dramatically, the 787 wasn’t in the running to replace the 77E, that was between the 77X and the A350, the 77X dropped out of the running, guess what, they ordered ...

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by JustSomeDood
Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Boeing 787-10 range: how far can it stretch its wings ?
Replies: 126
Views: 21600

Re: The Boeing 787-10 range: how far can it stretch its wings ?

This is how United sees it. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXJfUmnW4AAra_y.jpg All of course depends on how much cargo you need realistically on long flights (Asia?) Longer term I see Boeing investing in a higher MTOW 787-10. That won't be for free, significant wing beef up, but definitely a good inve...

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by JustSomeDood
Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Boeing 787-10 range: how far can it stretch its wings ?
Replies: 126
Views: 21600

Re: The Boeing 787-10 range: how far can it stretch its wings ?

Clearly NZ considered cargo demand when replacing the 777-200ERs, and they concluded the A350-900 was Too Much Plane for them. But the 787-10 cannot replace the top-end of 777-200ER performance, so only airlines which don't need the 777-200ER's full performance but do need its capacity will want to...

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by JustSomeDood
Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Narrowbody Portfolio Development 2020-2030
Replies: 68
Views: 9341

Re: Airbus Narrowbody Portfolio Development 2020-2030

Not to forget that the majority of flights are shorter than 1000 nm (80 % of intra-European flighths, according to https://aviationdevelop.com/assets/content-library/Does-Europe-need-more-smaller-aircraft-1.pdf, average distance being 1000 km). Hence the next narrowbody is to be a turboprop for 100...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential orders for A35KULR?
Replies: 91
Views: 12179

Re: Potential orders for A35KULR?

155t OEW + 120t fuel leaves enough lift on the 321t A35k to carry 15t of cargo with 90ist % loadfactors up top, ~10t with every seat filled. No giantantic MTOW bump or PIP needed. best regards Thomas Which would be a ~5t payload improvement over a 316t A35K, not 15t. Yes, so? if you don´t see the d...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential orders for A35KULR?
Replies: 91
Views: 12179

Re: Potential orders for A35KULR?

The ULR gives them Cargo on top, some 15t or so. Zeke can probably weigh in on that. A higher MTOW version and a removable ACT hardly qualifies as "subtype" fleet wise.... A 15t payload improvement at range over the existing high MTOW A35Ks implies either a gigantic MTOW bump or an Engine...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential orders for A35KULR?
Replies: 91
Views: 12179

Re: Potential orders for A35KULR?

You can not compare the A359ULR and the ULR A351. The former trades payload to carry enough fuel to do its mission and hence can not carry all that many passengers and no Cargo. It is tailor made for essentially a hand full of routes for essentially just that one customer. On the ULR A351 an airlin...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential orders for A35KULR?
Replies: 91
Views: 12179

Re: Potential orders for A35KULR?

Potential customers: How many airlines did order the A350-900 ULR after Singapore Airlines? Zip. So there's you're answer. Ultra long haul remains a niche, no matter how efficient new generation aircraft are. You can not compare the A359ULR and the ULR A351. The former trades payload to carry enoug...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential orders for A35KULR?
Replies: 91
Views: 12179

Re: Potential orders for A35KULR?

Keep in mind how high JNB is. NZ is likely off this list since they have already announced AKL-EWR on the B789, which would be the longest RR-powered B789 route in the world. Even ignoring that SAA is in no shape to be buying anything, the altitude at JNB limits payload by restricting MTOW flying o...

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by JustSomeDood
Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential orders for A35KULR?
Replies: 91
Views: 12179

Re: Potential orders for A35KULR?

I’m still not clear which current A350 platform can handle Delta’s 4 longest routes ATL-JNB, ATL-PVG, JFK-Mumbai, and LAX-SYD. The routes are being flown by 777LR All shorter than current longest CX A350 routes (IAD-HKG) except ATL-JNB. Keep in mind how high JNB is. NZ is likely off this list since...

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by JustSomeDood
Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: JAL longhaul LCC ZIPAIR discussion
Replies: 255
Views: 39874

Re: ZIPAIR's 787-8 Features Lie-Flat Seats But No PTVs

The problem is that now you HAVE to bring your own device. I probably wouldn't fly them in J because I work on a laptop, which means I would have to bring that AND a tablet (phones are too small for general viewing IMHO). That's 2 devices that need power, 2 that need connecting to WIFI, 2 that I ha...

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by JustSomeDood
Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: JAL longhaul LCC ZIPAIR discussion
Replies: 255
Views: 39874

Re: ZIPAIR's 787-8 Features Lie-Flat Seats But No PTVs

I have no problem with seats not including PTV as it can reasonably be expected Pax will have their own phones/tablets/laptops to look at in J. But the seat should then include appropriate phone/tablet holders so that said passenger doesn't have to hold their phone/tablet up all the time, especially...

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