Delta outlines reconfigured 767-400ER service from Nov 2019: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285025/delta-outlines-re-configured-767-400er-service-from-nov-2019/ On a separate note, DL is delaying A330 debut on SEA-ICN/NRT: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285024/...Jump to post
I hope they decide to keep F on routes where it hasn't been removed. KE doesn't have the best F product but it has the merit of actually having it. And it was easy to redeem miles for it. The latter is why they abolish First. No reason to have it just for redemption of FF miles and possible upgrade...Jump to post
Korean Air has a lot more loyal and deep-pocketed customer base compared to Asiana. They certainly has had F customers. But those chaebols are now succeeded by their children which are less sensitive to chemeyon (social face), and are more practical. They'll probably stick with C. So I do think they...Jump to post
MIflyer12 wrote:ITSTours wrote:
Yes, KE/DL is way stronger than JL/AA. UA/NH is very slightly stronger than KE/DL but after 2019 Q2 (when KE starts ICN-BOS and DL does MSP-ICN) KE/DL may surpass. I don't know.
Would you care to define stronger here?
Is it Boeing doing well on cost reduction, or is it Airbus doing badly?
I just hope KE FF wont just become DLs toys now. The program does need an overhaul but there are so many ways it could go wrong, and seeing how Flyingblue went I fear what could become of Skypass... Korea Fair Trade Commission heavily regulates the FFP so I don't see a Skypeso-like devaluation in s...Jump to post
We are really seeing the formation of a new SkyTeam from the inside-out with Delta as King and peripheral airlines like Aeroflot and Saudia locked out. I expect Delta to take a lot more control than the stake implies. I disagree this is just keeping up with JL/NH, I think they will leapfrog them. T...Jump to post
Japan (or Shinzo Abe) also desperately needs Chinese visitors as they want to reach 40 Million international visitors in 2020. China is really the only driving force at this point. Korean visitor growth is now slowed. I see why the bilaterals were expanded.Jump to post
I think Delta here is trying to create its own empire by getting closer to many airlines in their JVs, !!! I wonder if the future of this industry will rely on such practice! those who don't belong to any groups wouldn't survive the competition! We are really seeing the formation of a new SkyTeam f...Jump to post
I don't know 251T A330neo can fly SLC-ICN, its performance is to be seen.
Which market does SLC serve that SEA and MSP do not serve or serve with large circuity? I don't see a lot of them. That being said, when MSP load factor saturates and Delta wants another connection point it may be SLC.
Really is an interesting equity stake reminiscent more of the United Avianca stake than Delta’s prior equity stakes (into a holding company rather than directly the airline itself). The stake doesn’t appear to be in KE directly but rather in the chaebol, Hanjin. Does anyone know if it’s even possib...Jump to post
Well, here we go: http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investor-relations/press-releases/2019/06-20-2019-162857598 Exciting! JetBlue Converts 13 Aircraft in Existing Order Book to the Xtra Long Range Version of Airbus’ Newest, Fuel-Efficient Aircraft to Expand Transatlantic Options JetBlue Also Exercises I...Jump to post
What does the open sky entail? How about ASEAN carriers' another ASEAN country-EU, and EU carriers' another EU country-ASEAN 5th/7th freedom? But will they allow it? Will Singapore allow another ASEAN airlines to operate SIN-LHR, for example? Probably not... Or will it be just a simple, unlimited 3...Jump to post
This is BIG. This is Delta exhibiting a very strong confidence to Korean Air and the new owner Cho Won-tae. Note Delta did not buy Korean Air stock, they bought Hanjin KAL stock. Hanjin KAL is the parent company for Korean Air and Jin Air. There is an ongoing ownership dispute over Hanjin KAL betwee...Jump to post
Actually the realistic flying range of the A321Neo-XLR from majority of Tier 1 USA city airports is 3400-3500 nautical miles in a standard dual class configuration of about 175-180 seats along with 23kg baggage allowance. This means for AA out of JFK it can fly nonstop to LIM, CDG, TXL, AMS and BCN...Jump to post
What does the open sky entail? Can EU carrier operate EU-ASEAN-ASEAN 5th freedom route? (e.g. KLM'S AMS-SIN-DPS) And can ASEAN carrier operate ASEAN-EU-EU 5th freedom route? (e.g. SIA's now-defunct SIN-MUC-MAN) How about ASEAN carriers' another ASEAN country-EU, and EU carriers' another EU country-A...Jump to post
The A332 had the legs, it was the altitude at SLC and the fact that Pratt only delivered 68k on the engines. Not the promised 75k. The payload restrictions were too detrimental to potential profit. An 11-12hr route is the sweet spot for a 332. Not at 4500ft AMSL and 99F I thought I read the load fa...Jump to post
I think Delta is at an advantage with the KE ICN hub. They actually serve more cities in China than any other carrier and also serve holiday cities in SE Asia that are missing from the Tokyo hub (HND/NRT) of ANA (HKT-Phuket, Thailand & DPS-Bali, Indonesia). What industries in SLC have demand to...Jump to post
This is sarcasm right? I laughed out loud. If not then... well... Nope. Lounge access (with showers) is a big deal for me, especially if you're connecting from a long haul flight. Premium classes in the US gets you a wider seat with more recline and legroom, but it doesn't come with lounge access (...Jump to post
That's a bit underwhelming in terms of time savings versus the subsonic flights which are currently blocked around 9.5 hours. I'd hope a flight at Mach 2.2 would take under half the time. Agreed. If SFO-TYO takes 5.5 hours then pretty impressive but TYO-SFO with 5.5 hours isn't very so. But at leas...Jump to post
Is there any reason to believe A330neo has any effect on A350 orders? I don't think so, as A350-900 sales are healthy. A350-1000 is more problematic but this is too large to be affected by A330neo. But then it might be just because 777-300ER sales were so good and the replacement cycle is years awa...Jump to post
Safe to say the 787 and A350 families both have a bright future ahead 787 for sure but 350 is in hot water. orders (almost) stop coming in once the first aircraft was delivered. Also reports of performance dissatisfaction are plenty. 350 is a fine plane, too late and too pricey for what it can offe...Jump to post
Also KE configures its VLA less packed. 407 seats for A380, 368 seats for 748, 277 seats for 77W. Good point ITSTours! The CEO is on record stating that they do not wish to make the economy cabin cramped like many competitors just for the sake of squeezing more pax. Seems KE understands they can ea...Jump to post
500 seats in a A330, who are the passengers, Dwarfs ? Just because it can be done should it be done ? 9 seats per row in an A330 is insane. Average filipino is about 5 feet tall and weight around 100 pounds. Average american is about 6 feet tall and weight in excess of 200 pounds. This is actually ...Jump to post
Also KE configures its VLA less packed. 407 seats for A380, 368 seats for 748, 277 seats for 77W.
Even if they bring 777-9X into their fleet it will be around 340 seats I guess? Not that large.
Let see...Lufthansa should qualify (Do they serve meal on intra-Europe flight? Of course, the OP can always complain about Eurobusiness) Eurobusiness is not bad at all. Flew LH eurobusiness last year, and really appreciated having lounge access at MUC and a very nice cold meal on a 50 minute flight...Jump to post
... when time comes to replace their 77Ws, 748s and A380s, the only thing that comes close to pax capacity of those aircraft is the 779 and I tend to think there is more chance of KE ordering the 779 than not in the future. Which long-haul KE routes can sustain VLAs? ICN-LAX, ICN-JFK, ICN-CDG, ICN-...Jump to post
BaconButty wrote:SPREE34 wrote:1989worstyear wrote:
Do you know when the conversions are being delivered?
The post you quoted says "2025".
It's a bit ambiguous, it reads like the last 20 are to be delivered from 2025.
Delta's ICN connecting % was almost 40% right before the JV. I guess it is now even higher. But it is only Delta. The Korean government wants higher connecting % to really become the Schipol of Asia but the airlines focus on O&D which is of course more profitable. Especially LCCs do not care abo...Jump to post
Asiana begins selling cigarettes at the inflight duty-free shop. (Of course you still can't smoke inflight)
Sounds minor but actually significant; Asiana was the world first airline to prohibit smoking on board.
They are now really chasing profits.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/british-airways-parent-company-delivers-a-massive-vote-of-confidence-in-the-boeing-737-max/ "Boeing said the deal is worth just over $24 billion at list prices. The real value of the planes after standard discounts in the industry, accordin...Jump to post
By the way, South Korea makes the MTOW of each registered airplane public, so we will definitely know what Korean Air gets when it is delivered...Jump to post
Agreed. KE have always operated VLAs while also having a good number of 77Ws to be replaced (a long way out). As this was probably their last chance of getting A350s, 777X seems to be the only thing that can replace those 77Ws. Disagree about the A350. This order was about replacing aging 777-200s ...Jump to post
Can the -10 reach BOS? The 787-10 can reach and LAX anything in between from Amsterdam. The 787-10 can fly about 6,500 miles, a 787-9 can do about 8,000 miles. He is talking about from ICN. Remember this thread is about KE. It might, but KE will not place 787-10 on BOS anyway. We can talk about tha...Jump to post
Kinda assumed by most of us. A very reasonable order and I think 787-10 can do a lot for Korean Air.Jump to post
Korean air orders 787-9 and 787-10 ten of each.Jump to post
It's now 7AM in Paris. Will there be more orders today? Let's see. AA XLR order? The day hasn't really started. At least give them time to eat their croissant and have their coffee You just made me crave Paris Croissant! Seems Cebu's announcement is scheduled for 10:30, so maybe no AA today? https:...Jump to post
It's now 7AM in Paris. Will there be more orders today? Let's see. AA XLR order?Jump to post
If I were an undergraduate then I would have definitely applied for Aviation Management Masters.
But I'm stuck with a PhD program
KE's CEO have said in the past that 781 isn't sufficient for them since it can't do ICN-LAX. The 781 certainly is capable of doing ICN-LAX-ICN leg with full cabin, so one would think he had heavy cargo loads in mind when he pointed out insufficient range. In fact, they do have big cargo operations,...Jump to post
Congrats to Airbus. I predict it will fill its niche for a relatively small investment. Worth the gamble. Leeham news (https://leehamnews.com/2019/06/13/how-useful-is-an-airbus-a321xlr-part-2/ ) figured that A330-800neo is very slightly more expensive than A321XLR per seat basis. A330-900neo thus w...Jump to post
So is this the tally for today?
A220-300: 50 (ALC)
A321neo: 23 (ALC)
A321XLR: 31 (27 ALC, 4 MEA)
A330-900neo: 8 (Virgin Atlantic)
Among these, 8 A330-900neo and 4 A321XLR are the firm orders.
Given these new numbers on per-seat fuel burn, how does the XLR compare to modern widebodies on comparable routes? Could it even be more effective to fly two A321XLRs with 140-150 pax each than one A330neo/789 on the same ~4000nm route? Leeham news (https://leehamnews.com/2019/06/13/how-useful-is-a...Jump to post
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-airshow-cebu-idUSKCN1TI1UZ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d07dc5cb1a3150001dd6f74&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter Cebu to buy over two dozen Airbus jets: The deal involves 16 A330neo wide-body jets and around 10 ...Jump to post
Curious, does this really help underwater biodiversity? I do see the tourism aspect but I am concerned about pollution. Generally, yes. Especially with coral reefs around the world in such decline, artificial reefs are proving important. THey are usually cleaned of anything toxic before being dumpe...Jump to post
Will Boeing lose a lot when they concede the so-called lower-end MoM to Airbus? I don't think so. Despite the disaster the 737 MAX backlog is strong and 787 also sells very well. XLR will sell, quite a lot, but will not surpass a 1000. One way is just to sell a derated regional 787-8/9 for the highe...Jump to post