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by Cactusjuba
Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1961
Views: 342719

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Keep in mind, the payroll support was derived from 2019 Q2-Q3 labor expenses. In 2020, labor costs have lowered with reduced hours, monthly minimum salaries, zero overtime, and 45k employees taking variable lenghts of unpaid leave. The CARES act funds will be stretched beyond OCT 1, because the 2019...

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by Cactusjuba
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1961
Views: 342719

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Last I heard today it was over 1900. I am not gonna be surprised to see over 2200 sign up for it. Question remains as to how many will back out though. I'd expect the number of pilots who sign up for the retirement package and then retract it before the deadline will be quite small. They've likely ...

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020
Replies: 317
Views: 25058

Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Just a question out of pure curiosity. When a plane is removed from storage say at BHM or MCI or any storage location that actually has scheduled service on Delta (unlike VCV or SBD), is the aircraft towed to a gate and the crew boards from a jetbridge at the main terminal or do they use air stairs...

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by Cactusjuba
Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates wants to partner with a US3 airline.
Replies: 92
Views: 15513

Re: Emirates wants to partner with a US3 airline.

Ed Bastian was specifically asked today in a townhall if DL has interest in a ME3 joint venture, citing news of EK having interest. He gave an emphatic no. Reasons being, their home nations aren't markets they are trying to tap into, he didn't think they had like minded goals needed to work as a par...

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by Cactusjuba
Sun May 17, 2020 3:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall
Replies: 176
Views: 23759

Re: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall

Junior pilots by-and-large have listened to the village elders who have seen furloughs multiple times over the years. In fact, many of these junior pilots spent over a decade flying for other airlines, and have endured furloughs themselves. The consensus seems to be this: voluntarily taking cuts to ...

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by Cactusjuba
Thu May 14, 2020 7:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall
Replies: 176
Views: 23759

Re: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall

7000 pilots will not be removed for OCT, just like 9000 wouldn't be removed for JUL, or 11000 for this MAY. The 2500-3500 number is the important number to watch. 7k is just used to illustrate the staffing recovery timeline. It makes no sense to furlough for <12 months. The cascade of training takes...

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by Cactusjuba
Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1961
Views: 342719

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

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by Cactusjuba
Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 5.7 Earthquake Near SLC
Replies: 41
Views: 7688

Re: 5.7 Earthquake Near SLC

Part of the reasoning for the new terminal build, was to upgrade to withstand a strong earthquake as SLC is near the Wasatch fault line that emergency managers have been warning for decades is capable and due for a strong earthquake.

From DL internal memo: 50 diversions.

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by Cactusjuba
Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020
Replies: 317
Views: 25058

Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Ed Bastian announced via internal memo parking 40% of total airline capacity for a duration of months, up to 300 aircraft, as well as deferring new deliveries. No further specifics to what airplane or how soon.

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 30062

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020

There are 28 ceos being delivered this year, with the last 3 next year. There are 16 neos scheduled to be delivered this year, 36 neos scheduled to be delivered next year and another 48 neos scheduled to be delivered in 2022/2023. Your numbers are old. In 2020: all of the remaining 321CEOs will be ...

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by Cactusjuba
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Unveils Special A321 Livery With All 90,000 Employee Names On It
Replies: 49
Views: 12456

Re: Delta Unveils Special A321 Livery With All 90,000 Employee Names On It

Meaning the pilots get Delta’s contribution whether they contribute or not? Is there a NQDC plan that the pilots are eligible to participate in? Yes, no pilot contribution required. The pilots can receive the IRS max limit of $37.5k in company contributions, and if they hit the limit, the 16% compa...

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by Cactusjuba
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Unveils Special A321 Livery With All 90,000 Employee Names On It
Replies: 49
Views: 12456

Re: Delta Unveils Special A321 Livery With All 90,000 Employee Names On It

Putting it all in your 401k/ Roth is a good idea, but be careful to not max out your 401k contributions before the end of the year. If you max out before the last paycheck you miss out in the company 401k match. Hate to miss out on the free money! The pilots don't have a 401k match. They have a def...

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by Cactusjuba
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Unveils Special A321 Livery With All 90,000 Employee Names On It
Replies: 49
Views: 12456

Re: Delta Unveils Special A321 Livery With All 90,000 Employee Names On It

People like me in 2007 had a value built up to $507000 taken away and given $ 80000 in a 401 to rebuild. I will do great but 1/2 of the value calculated by Delta when I was hired. So ALL of my PS goes into 401/Roth and some type of retirement to rebuild what the airline took. Putting it all in your...

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by Cactusjuba
Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020
Replies: 317
Views: 25058

Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

TTailedTiger wrote:
Is Delta still bound to the distance agreement on the A220 they had with Bombardier?

Nope.

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DOT fines Delta for discriminating against Muslim passengers
Replies: 22
Views: 7362

Re: DOT fines Delta for discriminating against Muslim passengers

Please note this event happened about 4 years ago. Lessons have been learned. When these sort of situations occur, the captain is now trained to contact a representative specially trained to deal with these matters. Kind of like how pilots contact doctors on the ground to handle diversion decisions ...

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by Cactusjuba
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: St Elmos fire
Replies: 13
Views: 4004

Re: St Elmos fire

Most aviators refer to this as St Elmos fire. However, this phenomena is technically not. It's a static discharge, no different than when you shock your fingertip touching a doorknob, a spark plug arcing, or simply a bolt of lightning. As airplanes fly through highly ionized storms (usually near the...

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL A321neo delivery. When?
Replies: 16
Views: 4840

Re: DL A321neo delivery. When?

The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 tails numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected NOV 2020, Second expected in JAN 2021 with service commencing March 2021. New pilot base for A320 expected in SE...

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL A321neo delivery. When?
Replies: 16
Views: 4840

Re: DL A321neo delivery. When?

The A321neo will have 194 seats (20F, 42E, 132Y), 3 more total than current A321ceo. First 20 ETOPS. Ships 1-100 tails numbered 5001-5100. Wireless IFE like the A220s. First NEO expected NOV 2020, Second expected in JAN 2021 with service commencing March 2021. New pilot base for A320 expected in SEA.

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by Cactusjuba
Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat. Just as soon as the MD88/90 to get parked and they add them into the 717. Then yes, definitely. Has it been confirmed that the 717s will be getting PTVs? I've heard senior leadership say it's going...

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by Cactusjuba
Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

MIflyer12 wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.


There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat.

Just as soon as the MD88/90 to get parked and they add them into the 717. Then yes, definitely.

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

It is interesting to watch DL continue to hone the 100ish seat operation as they renew the fleet. They are now able to take advantage of the A220's low cruise fuel burn by putting it on many routes in the 2-3 hour range. Then they move the 717s to the Eastern and Midwestern hubs on mostly sub-2 hou...

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by Cactusjuba
Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

17 -100s will arrive in 2020 completing the total of 45. 6 -300s scheduled for delivery in 2020, all from Mobile.

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by Cactusjuba
Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 734
Views: 204227

Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Someone83 wrote:
Next for Delta delivered yesterday according to Skyliner

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50047 N128DU Delta Air Lines delivery 21nov19 YMX-ATL

Last one for DL in 2019.

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

319/320 and 220 have higher net promoter scores than the 717's. Delta wants consistent, best product on mainline out west. Also part of why Compass is getting pushed off property. Lower quality scores, worse operating metrics vs SkyWest. One important change I have noticed with the ongoing fleet up...

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by Cactusjuba
Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Interesting observation. What are the 717 bases at present? Should we expect 717s to be clustered at ATL the way MD-88/MD-90 have been? 717s certainly have useful range out of DTW/MSP/LGA, too. Yep, as of late September or so all the 717s are gone from SEA, LAX, and SLC. I expect the 717s to contin...

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta opens Concourse G at LGA
Replies: 39
Views: 11269

Re: Delta opens Concourse G at LGA

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'...... Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago? That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing. Not to mention MSY's new termina...

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chinese airlines hit 3.1 billion USD loss in 2018 on international service
Replies: 50
Views: 12228

Re: Chinese airlines hit 3.1 billion USD loss in 2018 on international service

Given that many of the routes are subsidised, it’s unlikely that the actual losses to the airlines are that large. One thing that is interesting though is the hypocrisy of the US3 when it comes to Chinese carriers and the ME3. Such loses in a market that is a big driver of potential growth, yet it ...

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ending contract with GoJet, Compass
Replies: 174
Views: 40248

Re: Somewhat confirmed: Delta ending contract with GoJet, Compass

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

So you're telling me there's a chance!

What was all that "one-in-a-million" talk?

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by Cactusjuba
Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250170

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Take it for what it's worth, but an A&P who works for TechOps told me at a career fair in the last couple weeks that the rumor is DL may hold onto a few MD-88s for smaller charter ops (college teams) much as they did with the subfleet of 757s. Any truth to that? Yes. This is happening now. 4 MD...

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by Cactusjuba
Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Doug Parker Interview DMN
Replies: 71
Views: 12920

Re: Doug Parker Interview DMN

it's not 2010 anymore. My 6.8in QHD OLED phone, with literally the best screen in the world at that size, is faaar better than any ife system on any plane. Have fun watching a movie on a shitty 720 lcd panel. Good for you, how many are in your position? Not many. Most prefer IFE. Including myself a...

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 1159
Views: 248080

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

I have read somewhere on Anet that DL. Would modify 6 767s for NFL charters to be used next season. Is there any substance to this ? I had also heard that they were going to modify and dedicate a portion of the 767 fleet for transcons. Again, any substance to this ? I find both very interesting... ...

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 1159
Views: 248080

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

I have read somewhere on Anet that DL. Would modify 6 767s for NFL charters to be used next season. Is there any substance to this ? I had also heard that they were going to modify and dedicate a portion of the 767 fleet for transcons. Again, any substance to this ? I find both very interesting... ...

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Makes Changes to 757 TATL Routes
Replies: 49
Views: 15539

Re: Minor Delta TATL improves

It seems like they are moving the A350s from LAX to MSP. Any reason for this? Also, LAX has a 777 pilot domicle. No need to DH LAX & ATL 777 crews in and out of MSP. And it's shorter distance to deadhead 350 pilots to MSP vs LAX from DTW. Huge savings in credit time/usable days from a crew staf...

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by Cactusjuba
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

4 MD88s that we're planned for retirement will fly through the winter for dedicated NCAA charter ops, then they'll retire. Same story-line planned for the following year.

Also, starting next season, 4 767s planned for retirement will be reconfigured for the NFL on a 5-year deal.

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by Cactusjuba
Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Delta increases stake in Korean Air parent
Replies: 90
Views: 17081

Re: Updated: Delta increases stake in Korean Air parent

Wow.... Where to start. OK, Pilots were hired to fly the planes! Nowhere was there ever any promise, either written or implied, that you are entitled to “primo destinations.” Your employer is in business to make a profit. End of story. Overall a rather weak and disappointing argument based on fear ...

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by Cactusjuba
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Delta increases stake in Korean Air parent
Replies: 90
Views: 17081

Re: Updated: Delta increases stake in Korean Air parent

People (cough, cough.... pilots) need to open themselves to the idea that there are alternate ways to define successes within the scope of airline JVs. Many people forget that the USA is considered a mature air travel market. That's not to say that there will not be growth, but it is already except...

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Given that this anticipated six month delay happens, will we see any revisions to the MD88/90 retirement schedule? Yes, 7 MD88s/90s that had previously been scheduled to be parked will fly through summer 2020. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but this is unlikely to affect the final retirement date....

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by Cactusjuba
Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD
Replies: 114
Views: 17617

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

maps4ltd wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


In the same vein as LAS-LGB, LAS-SAN, LAS-SNA, and LAS-SEA. DL's built up a nice little west coast operation.


Don't forget LAS-SJC too.

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

The first 321NEO target delivery has moved from spring '20 to NOV '20. Delays due to cabin interiors/3rd party vendors. Given that this anticipated six month delay happens, will we see any revisions to the MD88/90 retirement schedule? Yes, 7 MD88s/90s that had previously been scheduled to be parked...

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Robot with a pilot licence
Replies: 9
Views: 1392

Re: Robot with a pilot licence

It had it's FAA practical test, then took its first flight? Yeah right. I'm assuming it performed practical test maneuvers is all. Sounds more like catchy journalism. Your telling me an FAA inspector sat in the other seat as sole occupant and examined as this robot performed tasks that he instructed...

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by Cactusjuba
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

SXDFC wrote:
What will the registrations be for the next 321 batch and the 321NEO?


N1XXDN, with a few ending in X/Y/Z/Q.

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by Cactusjuba
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

What will be the next tail number sequence for the A321s once the 30** numbers run out? How about the 321NEO?I’d imagine DL has almost used up all of the 3*** tail numbers. After 3098, the next CEO will be 1001-1029. So, no 3099 or 1000. First 321NEO will be 5001. The first 321NEO target delivery h...

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by Cactusjuba
Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 173238

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

global1 wrote:
After the refurbs on the 764 and 777, which fleet is next, the A330ceo or 763?

330ceo. I've heard no plans yet on 763s.

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by Cactusjuba
Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Private Jets...aborts takeoff...catches fire....
Replies: 56
Views: 14136

Re: Delta Private Jets...aborts takeoff...catches fire....

The crews that fly Delta Private Jets are not Mainline Delta crews.

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs
Replies: 180
Views: 31635

Re: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs

Indeed, seeing as only one of us provided facts or corroboration here, and it certainly wasn't you. Since I was discussing the theory of the scenario, I don't need any empirical facts to support factual economic theory. On the other hand, you do need relevant facts to support a statement that doesn...

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by Cactusjuba
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Autistic Passenger’s Family Claims Delta, SkyWest Discriminated Against Them
Replies: 64
Views: 7781

Re: Autistic Passenger’s Family Claims Delta, SkyWest Discriminated Against Them

Nobody is just walking off the job. They'd probably be fired. You can bet the captain had discussed the matter with either his chief pilot, operations control center, security coordinators, etc. They likely instructed the captain to deplane, and crew scheduling changed their schedule. Delays potenti...

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Italy Reports Losses Of €164 Million in 2018
Replies: 78
Views: 15214

Re: Air Italy Reports Losses Of €164 Million in 2018

It's OK, they have a rich Qatari boyfriend. This business model isn't about being profitable on it's own merits. It's about QR gaining TATL market share. Long game.

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs
Replies: 180
Views: 31635

Re: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs

DL flies 47.5% of the EASKs in the DL/AF/KL/AZ JV. In other words, one carrier flies almost half of a 4 airline JV. As much as I want more international flying for my fellow DL pilots, this JV is in our favor already. Just a correction: the EASK is 46.5%, not 48% nor 47.5%. And destinations aren't ...

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by Cactusjuba
Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs
Replies: 180
Views: 31635

Re: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs

If your airline claims to be an international carrier and only flys 48% if it’s international commitment, there is issues...... Unless you are an airline employee, your comment is worthless. Don’t even try......, Airline employees, put yourself in these shoes..... DL flies 47.5% of the EASKs in the...

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by Cactusjuba
Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs
Replies: 180
Views: 31635

Re: Delta pilots file objection to expanded JVs

There is so much drama on here. What the pilots and DALPA are pushing for, is equitable growth. Not elimination of JVs. There can indeed be benefits to all involved. The AF-KLM, VS scope agreements have a mechanism to capture the share of flying, as mentioned before as EASKs. All the other JVs do no...

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