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by bspc
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Where are the DL frames if they don’t take delivery of them? I haven’t seen any pictures of brand new DL A321 just sitting around. They’re here https://aibfamily.flights/customer/Delta-Air-Lines Maybe I just don’t see it, but the link doesn’t show undelivered planes? Maybe this makes it easier. Eve...

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by bspc
Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Intersting to see that Frontier Airlines is still taking delivery of new A320s, more than can be said for DL which hasn't had an A321 delivered since March 12. It's been well reported of course that DL has said that they wouldn't be taking any new aircraft for awhile. (Courtesy of skyliner-aviation...

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by bspc
Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

I’ve been looking around and couldn’t find an answer, Is there a way to find out when a test flight/ taxi test and RTO is going to happen at least 48 hours before then at BFM? Unless you know somebody who works there, probably not. The Flight plan even never gets picked up on FlightAware and those ...

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by bspc
Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

With the news that the German Air Force is getting 2 A321LR with deliveries in August and October 2021. Thus this means they are taking over the production slot from someone else or are they sourcing the aircraft from someone else than directly from Airbus? Cannot find this order in Airbus order bo...

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by bspc
Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

SAS A340 wrote:
I might have missed it, but is the raccon mask painted last, or is it a option?


Its an option. Some airlines choose it when they get NEO's or introduce new liveries.

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by bspc
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 112
Views: 33668

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

The white fuselage is a clear sign that this aircraft will be a NTU. White fuselage can also be a sign of long term storage conditions. When was the last A339 delivered? I see much discussion on movements. When was the last A330NEO was delivered? Lightsaber Does this help? https://aibfamily.flights...

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by bspc
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Wow, thanks @qf789 for all the updates. :)

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by bspc
Thu May 21, 2020 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Does anyone know what the registration/ tail numbers will be for the jetBlue A220s? Sorry, but this is far to early. Tomorrow, 20-May-2020, first flight of the first in Mobile assembled A220-300 shall be performed according rumors. So 55070 for Delta shall perform the first flight. Source is: "...

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by bspc
Thu May 07, 2020 5:13 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Luftwaffe A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019-2022
Replies: 26
Views: 11771

Re: Luftwaffe A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019-2022

https://aibfamily.flights/A350/416
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The first A350ACJ is now Delivered to Lufthansa Technik and arrived in Hamburg today - https://aibfamily.flights/A350/416

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by bspc
Wed May 06, 2020 12:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1464
Views: 280301

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

Hello! Long time 'lurker,' first time poster. I've been tracking the development of the 777-9, and also have made a spreadsheet for it as well that I think would be helpful to some on here. The spreadsheet also has some additional info, but for sake of discussion I'll mainly focus on the 777-9 here...

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by bspc
Fri May 01, 2020 1:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Also noted on that website that the Mobile flight number for 55070 test run up on the 29th was AIB070, not ABK370. Exactly, because ABK is only used in Canada, since it stands for Airbus Canada. I had believed the aircraft produced in Mobile are also Airbus Canada products. They will fly test fligh...

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by bspc
Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

The guy who runs the AIB Family Flights website pointed out on his Discord that Airbus now uses a new callsign for A220 Flights. Not sure if this user is here on Discord but the user pointed out that as of this week the A220 Test Flights now have a new callsign: "ABK". ABK is now followed...

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by bspc
Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

The guy who runs the AIB Family Flights website pointed out on his Discord that Airbus now uses a new callsign for A220 Flights. Not sure if this user is here on Discord but the user pointed out that as of this week the A220 Test Flights now have a new callsign: "ABK". ABK is now followed ...

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by bspc
Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:46 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Update Thread 2020
Replies: 82
Views: 10838

Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Luxembourg's only ordered A400M has flown and will be tested before delivery later this year. It will be operated in a joint unit with Belgium's aircraft. Luxembourg’s A400M completes 5h debut flight Luxembourg’s lone A400M tactical transport made a 5h flight debut from Airbus Defence & Space’s...

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by bspc
Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

I'm still pretty sure they will fill the 9600-9999 MSN's. It's not uncommon a few MSN's in a range won't be used, but why should they skip the 9600-9900 range completely? Beside that. I'm not sure where you see that more and more 10000-10200 MSN's is filled. I haven't seen any new MSN's filled for ...

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by bspc
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 45
Views: 10397

Re: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Given the mess of things that COVID made, what are our thoughts on how many of these units actually see the light of day? I don't think that Delta will back out of it's orders as it still needs to replace older frames with its purchase. Its reasonable to expect China to take the A319s and A320s the...

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by bspc
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Rostock airport (RLG) is getting use as parking lot for A320's that can't be delivered during this crisis. https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/mecklenburg-vorpommern/Coronakrise-Flughafen-Laage-als-Airbus-Parkplatz,laage302.html 9 aircraft are there already, 6 more could find room. The video in this art...

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by bspc
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Anyone knows the status of the FALs (Toulouse, Hamburg, Mobile, Tianjin) if they are to temporarily close down? Tianjin closed for a while but they're now operating under skeletal force. I mean how can an aircraft delivery happen if the operator's designated team is unable to travel because of the ...

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by bspc
Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Anyone knows the status of the FALs (Toulouse, Hamburg, Mobile, Tianjin) if they are to temporarily close down? Tianjin closed for a while but they're now operating under skeletal force. I mean how can an aircraft delivery happen if the operator's designated team is unable to travel because of the ...

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by bspc
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Are Mirabel and Mobile still running or are they shut down? They are still running... https://aibfamily.flights/airport/ymx https://aibfamily.flights/airport/bfm Nothing has been announced by Airbus anyways. They only places where Airbus announced shutdowns where Tianjin (last month) and in France ...

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by bspc
Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 372
Views: 126796

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

UAEflyer wrote:
Will it be only for VIP use or the army can use it for different missions.


its supposed to be the replacement fleet for Germany's Head of State (i.e. Chancellor of Germany).

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by bspc
Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

If you read some posts back, you will see that MSN9600-9999 is going to be filled, but a bunch of birds were build with 5 digit MSN numbers in order to verify that delivery systems could handle MSN numbers above 9999. That used to be the case, but I think it has changed. Its quite obvious that ther...

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by bspc
Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Hi guys. Does anyone know why Airbus will not produce A320s between LN9600 to LN9999? If you read some posts back, you will see that MSN9600-9999 is going to be filled, but a bunch of birds were build with 5 digit MSN numbers in order to verify that delivery systems could handle MSN numbers above 9...

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by bspc
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 372
Views: 126796

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wzfg


My guess is going to be none. It will likely just be painted in all white.
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audidudi wrote:
MSN 338 flew to XFW for paint on Thursday...the question is "Which airline's colours is it going to re-appear in?"

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wzfg


My guess is going to be none. It will likely just be painted in all white.

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by bspc
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 112
Views: 33668

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Did anyone notice this pink A330neo? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49590719238_3d640b48ac_z.jpg F-WWYO / PR-ANV Airbus A330-941 msn 1952 Azul by DigitalAirliners.com , on Flickr Yep! The airline also has this pink livery on a A320neo and Embraer. Its in support for Breast Cancer Awareness.

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by bspc
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircr ... n#23ffb3db


She flew the 11am to Calgary this morning. Very cool to see it get pressed right into service.


That is what happened to the other ones as well ;)
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wrongwayup wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
MSN 55078, C-GJXN and the 3rd to Air Canada seems to have been delivered


http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircr ... n#23ffb3db


She flew the 11am to Calgary this morning. Very cool to see it get pressed right into service.


That is what happened to the other ones as well ;)

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by bspc
Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020
Replies: 110
Views: 23710

Re: AC A330 Fleet News and Updates Discussion Thread - 2020

Rumour has it that Air Canada is about to place an order for A321LR/XLR and A330neos, only a few of them.

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by bspc
Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 45
Views: 10397

Re: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Someone83 wrote:
Next for Delta delivered

Airbus A321 -211 9057 N389DN Delta Air Lines delivery 21feb20 XFW-KEF-YYR-MCI


Actually it flew XFW-KEF-YUL-SAL. Completely bypassed the U.S. anybody have any idea why? Maybe because of the tariffs?

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by bspc
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 45
Views: 10397

Re: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Antaras wrote:
Which one (MSN, type) will become the last ever CEO rolls out of the FALs?


Likely a Delta A321, but the MSN is still to far out to know.

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by bspc
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, February 2020
Replies: 708
Views: 95465

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Is there a site where one can see the total number of test Flight hours for the 737 MAX test Aircraft in relation to its Grounding? Similar to what the AIB Family Flights sit oes to Airbus Aircraft?

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by bspc
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-gjxe), their first one ferried back to YMX (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-grov). Anybody know why?
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Although Air Canada received their 2nd A220 yesterday (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-gjxe), their first one ferried back to YMX (https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-grov). Anybody know why?

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by bspc
Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 372
Views: 126796

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

There is a Delta A350-900 flying Toulouse to YYZ tomorrow (15th of Feb.) Not sure the reg though. Except there is no A350 from Delta active at TLS for nearly a year. Yeah seems to be an error or something. It’s not an error. I asked in another delta related thread why delta seems to do that and ins...

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by bspc
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 372
Views: 126796

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

jumbojettony wrote:
There is a Delta A350-900 flying Toulouse to YYZ tomorrow (15th of Feb.) Not sure the reg though.


Except there is no A350 from Delta active at TLS for nearly a year.

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by bspc
Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72293

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Anybody have any idea what this Flight is all about? (DAL9977 TLS-YYZ). There hasn't been any A350 Flight Testing for Delta at TLS for nearly a year. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9977 This is not the first time we have seen weird Delta 'Scheduled Flights' out of Final Assembly Airpo...

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by bspc
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72293

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Anybody have any idea what this Flight is all about? (DAL9977 TLS-YYZ). There hasn't been any A350 Flight Testing for Delta at TLS for nearly a year. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9977 This is not the first time we have seen weird Delta 'Scheduled Flights' out of Final Assembly Airpor...

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by bspc
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 112
Views: 33668

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

PepeTheFrog wrote:
I'm still shocked Airbus went ahead with the A330-800.

Even the A350-800 got far more orders and got axed.


How are you "shocked"? There are Test Flight almost every day from F-WTTO.

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by bspc
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 372
Views: 126796

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Well, the first A350 for Angela Merkel has arrived! Has arrived where? The picture has been taken at TLS, correct? And sorry for nitpicking: by the time this A350 will be delivered (cabin outfitting will not be done by Airbus but by one of the specialized contractors in HAM, BSL or wherever), Merke...

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by bspc
Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 372
Views: 126796

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

StTim wrote:
I wonder what cold weather testing it is doing?


New Rolls Royce Engines.

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by bspc
Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pegasus Airlines Flight PC2193 Runway Overrun at Istanbul (SAW)
Replies: 290
Views: 49482

Re: Pegasus Airlines Flight PC2193 Runway Overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

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zeke wrote:
No such feature on the 737, only Airbus call their pilots retards every landing, sometimes multiple times if they deserve it.


Best reply in this topic :lol:

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by bspc
Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Does anybody have data on where the 9xxx sequence of c/ns will finish, as 95xx are in production and 10xxx aircraft are already being built? I believe there are a lot of 9xxx series Airbus numbers which were used internally for test rigs and mock-ups etc, and that they will not be duplicated, which...

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by bspc
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

They are probably just stored in Montreal until they find a new owner I suppose. There is plenty of space at YMX.

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by bspc
Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

MSN 55072 and 55073 for STLC have been delivered according contract but seems to be still parked in Montreal. So delivery flights are still pending. Besides pointing out exactly what I said :P there is a good chance at this point that the STLC Aircraft are actually stored at YMX, instead of MST lik...

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by bspc
Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

https://aibfamily.flights/Airbus-A220
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gokmengs wrote:
Any more delivery/ies before January ends? Awfully quiet here.


The 2nd A220 for Air Canada has been online for a few days now. It already completed 2 Flights so far. Its the only candidate for last minute January Delivery.

Source: https://aibfamily.flights/Airbus-A220

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by bspc
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52781

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

https://aibfamily.flights/customer/Swiss
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DALCE wrote:
Any signs of the first 320NEO's for LX? Are they already seen outside?


This link might also help you keep track of all activities at SWISS - https://aibfamily.flights/customer/Swiss

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by bspc
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A380 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 59
Views: 16109

Re: Airbus A380 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Obviously it still has to be transferred to TLS but does anyone have an estimate on when MSN272 will fly? I would like to know as well. I am thinking of making a quick turnaround trip to see the plane at TLS before delivery to the airline and the ferry flight to NRT. I suspect there will be more su...

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by bspc
Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A380 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 59
Views: 16109

Re: Airbus A380 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Latest update at https://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html ⋅  3 undergoing outfitting in XFW (MSNs 261, 264, 266 (ANA)) ⋅ 1 waiting for first flight in TLS (MSN 267) ⋅ 1 on the final assembly line in TLS (MSN 268) ⋅ 1 in body join in TLS (MSN 269) ⋅ ...

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by bspc
Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 372
Views: 126796

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

I don’t know if this is off topic, but dose anyone have any word of Airbus making an assembly line in North America for the A350? There’s been talk that since demand is high for planes, like the A350, they might need more FALs. Its been thrown around, primarily by Fliegerfaust, but its all speculat...

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by bspc
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 372
Views: 126796

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Airbus has white tails too, they both got stuck with them. Some of HNA’s 787s are actually GECAS planes iirc. Delivery was delayed while the lessor found a new customer. Do you happen to know the white tail A350 MSNs? You mean this? https://aibfamily.flights/search?airline=Hainan+Airlines&fligh...

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by bspc
Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 25
Views: 4501

Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

If there will still be A330MRTTs then the A330-200 airframe will still be available so why would the A330-200F not still be? Yeah eventually the A330-200 will be pretty much only for the MRTT's. Although its unlikely at the moment that new orders for the -200F will take place, there are some second...

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by bspc
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 178
Views: 43252

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Does someone know why are there some Egypt Air A220-300 not being painted with the airline's livery? They are meant for the EgyptAir subsidiary Airline (called Air Sinai) to be used between Tel Aviv and Cairo because of the history between those countries. There are only a few of them, newer Delive...

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