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by Noray
Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:43 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 19
Views: 3870

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

I guess that adds to my confusion on the subject, the aircraft was designed and built for a mission it wasn't ready to do upon entrance into service. There is really no reason to add the side doors and spoiler to an aircraft unless you intend to drop paratroops from that door. Unless I am missing s...

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by Noray
Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:46 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 19
Views: 3870

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Grizzly410 wrote:
Given the quietness of the Flight Test fleet these days I'd think it's job done. We'll see.

Adsbexchange shows lots of EC-400 flights from Toulouse in the recent months, often low level in the Pyrenees or Massif Central.

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by Noray
Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:06 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 19
Views: 3870

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/06/03/airbus-a400m-cleared-to-drop-more-paratroopers-through-its-side-doors/ This has probably already been posted, but I cannot believe I missed this. I had erroneously assumed that paratroop deployment was part of the initial development of the aircr...

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by Noray
Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:47 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement
Replies: 1679
Views: 239849

Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Some commentary from the German Air Force Chief on the Tornado replacement. Seems like the GAF is pretty keen on going for the SH/Growler combo although that will have to survive some strong Airbus lobbying at the political level. He simply echoes the selection decision that Germany’s defence minis...

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by Noray
Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:44 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: How do you move an AFV in 2021?
Replies: 40
Views: 2062

Re: How do you move an AFV in 2021?

I think you're right the pricing for a new customer is difficult. Germany says they cost 175M Euros each, so I didn't pull a number from the air. See Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A400M_Atlas What export customer paid $150M? I'm curious. (Also, the difference is only 25% or 33%.) ...

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by Noray
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:56 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: How do you move an AFV in 2021?
Replies: 40
Views: 2062

Re: How do you move an AFV in 2021?

Both the C-2 and A400M cost about $200M each. Discussions based on fictitious prices aren't really useful. I don't think that you or me know how much a new costumer would pay for any of these aircraft. It would depend on negotiations about the extent to which a new customer would have to contribute...

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by Noray
Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:13 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: How do you move an AFV in 2021?
Replies: 40
Views: 2062

Re: How do you move an AFV in 2021?

Both the C-2 and A400M cost about $200M each. Discussions based on fictitious prices aren't really useful. I don't think that you or me know how much a new costumer would pay for any of these aircraft. It would depend on negotiations about the extent to which a new customer would have to contribute...

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by Noray
Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:05 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion
Replies: 98
Views: 14890

Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Suppose some nation wanted to buy a good sized fleet of C2s. Any guess what the production rate could be, and what they might cost? It seems unreasonable that a c2 could cost about $136M, which is about half an A400! I also wonder if Japan would sell to nations like India or Saudi Arabia or Indones...

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by Noray
Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:24 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Hypothetical Scottish Military
Replies: 82
Views: 5065

Re: Hypothetical Scottish Military

With the reduced population to draw on, the UK military would have even a smaller pool to draw on. Right now, the RN has 2-3 frigates/destroyers tied up to the pier because they are short of men. The Irish join because their own military is sh+t as far as equipment and opportunities go. The Scottis...

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by Noray
Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:20 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Hypothetical Scottish Military
Replies: 82
Views: 5065

Re: Hypothetical Scottish Military

Money: Right now Scotland is spending $0 on military Are you trying to say that nobody in Scotland pays their taxes? Scotland will start with 0, and go from there. This also ignores the military history of Scotland and the Scottish units in the British Army . The Scottish parliament don't pay anyth...

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by Noray
Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:39 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Hypothetical Scottish Military
Replies: 82
Views: 5065

Re: Hypothetical Scottish Military

kitplane01 wrote:
Money: Right now Scotland is spending $0 on military

Are you trying to say that nobody in Scotland pays their taxes?

kitplane01 wrote:
Scotland will start with 0, and go from there.

This also ignores the military history of Scotland and the Scottish units in the British Army.

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by Noray
Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:15 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Navy NH90 order approved
Replies: 86
Views: 4488

Re: Germany Navy NH90 order approved

Deployments or not, they’ve also had customers just give up. LOL @ the German rationales and defensiveness here... It’s still mired around 50% in France; https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/french-navy-nh90-caiman-availability-rates-improving The Belgians are scaling back due to...you gu...

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by Noray
Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:34 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: FCTM: A CN-235 & C-130H successor to be designed by Airbus?
Replies: 91
Views: 5387

Re: FCTM: A CN-235 & C-130H successor to be designed by Airbus?

On a twin you need extra power per engine to meet single engine take-off performance requirements. If one engine fails just before lift off, too late to abort, e.g. a C130 has 3x5000shp left, an A200M just 11.000shp, to clear the fence at the end of the runway. You are talking about twin engine jet...

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by Noray
Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:27 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Navy NH90 order approved
Replies: 86
Views: 4488

Re: Germany Navy NH90 order approved

Please please please -- can you please keep Trump out of this? On this side of the pond the elections are barely over (or not, according to some) and we come from months and months of yelling and screaming. How about discussing the technical merits of the decision? I tend to follow the helicopter p...

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by Noray
Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:14 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Air Force A350 non-stop to Australia
Replies: 31
Views: 3923

Re: German Air Force A350 non-stop to Australia

The German A350s can even be used for troop transport. There are 76 premium economy seats in the back and 30 business class seats available in addition to the VIP seats. It's also planned to utilize them in the MedEvac role. https://www.bundeswehr.de/bw-de/organisation/luftwaffe/aktuelles/der-neue-a...

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by Noray
Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:54 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: FCTM: A CN-235 & C-130H successor to be designed by Airbus?
Replies: 91
Views: 5387

Re: FCTM: A CN-235 & C-130H successor to be designed by Airbus?

This to me signals the death of the A400M, Maybe. Just like the C-27J marked the death of the C-130J. Oh wait, wishful thinking from Lockheed country ... they have basically acknowledged by going after this market segment that the A400M is too big for most operators. They have acknowledged that the...

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by Noray
Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:55 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: FCTM: A CN-235 & C-130H successor to be designed by Airbus?
Replies: 91
Views: 5387

FCTM: A CN-235 & C-130H successor to be designed by Airbus?

According to a parliamentary report written by the French deputies Benjamin Griveaux and Jean-Louis Thiériot in July 2020, Airbus is working on a project that the French military calls "Future Medium Tactical Cargo aircraft" (FCTM). It's supposed to replace the CN-235s and C-130Hs of the F...

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by Noray
Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:49 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Embraer KC-390 News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 214
Views: 56090

Re: Embraer KC-390 News and Discussion Thread

Congrats to EMB on the Hungary sale. That happened very quickly since things sort of split from Boeing (I think Boeing is still involved on the military side). Plausibly, on partnerships, I could see Airbus as a good fit in addition to India, as the A400M production is ending. They have lost piles ...

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by Noray
Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:19 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US no longer a member of Military Open Skies treaty
Replies: 58
Views: 7845

Re: US no longer a member of Military Open Skies treaty

Actually, its NATO itself that internally self-determines who is and who isn't meeting that 2%. NATO itself released a report on or about October 20th, 2020, outlining the GDP contributions of each member nation. Apologies, but it seems to be NATO that itself determines this, and it was NATO itself...

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by Noray
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:05 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Switzerland Restarting Fighter Competition
Replies: 124
Views: 23880

Re: Switzerland Restarting Fighter Competition

According to Aviation Week , Airbus is offering a new final assembly line for the Eurofighter in Switzerland where all 40 aircraft could be produced. I wonder what weight is given to 'cooperation between the armed forces ... of Switzerland and those of the supplier country'. I presume that, due to t...

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by Noray
Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:36 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion
Replies: 98
Views: 14890

Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

The C-2 performance seems to be extremely impressive. It has the lowest empty weight as a percentage of the maximum takeoff weight of any airlifter on the market. For instance the C-2 has the same 141t MTOW of the A400M yet the A400M weighs a massive 25% more. This weight saving in the C-2 allows f...

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by Noray
Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:10 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement
Replies: 1679
Views: 239849

Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

mxaxai wrote:
The 38 aircraft will cost EUR 5.5 billion (USD 6.54 billion), or USD 172 million each.

The price includes an unspecified range of ground equipment and spare parts to increase combat readiness, so you can't really deduce a price per unit.

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by Noray
Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BER News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 668
Views: 111850

Re: BER News and Discussion Thread - 2020

I don;t know why but it reminds me of the Kanzleramt.. Me neither. Completely different design language. Are you both sure? I mean, the BER is rather inspired by the old chanceller bangalow style, here is a loyalty-free pic from wiki: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Bundesarchiv...

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by Noray
Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:35 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How can turboprops like C-130 and A400M cruise at the same height and speed as jets?
Replies: 34
Views: 5082

Re: How can turboprops like C-130 and A400M cruise at the same height and speed as jets?

How can turboprops like C-130 and A400M cruise at the same height and speed as jets? Can they? While the A400M cruises at the same height and only slightly slower than many jets, the C-130J is clearly slower and can rarely be found at 30,000 feet or above. There are pages listing world records for ...

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by Noray
Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BER News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 668
Views: 111850

Re: BER News and Discussion Thread - 2020

Looks very nice to me. Simple and understated. Elegant not showy. https://www.archdaily.com/950522/berlin-brandenburg-airport-willy-brandt-gmp Photos only show check in area, that is fine. However in videos at the gates areas/shops it looks worse. Low ceiling and those rectangular columns looks lik...

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by Noray
Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Netherlands C-130H replacement
Replies: 20
Views: 3163

Re: Netherlands C-130H replacement

In terms of range requirements, the Carribean countries of the Netherlands should play an important role. After Hurricane Irma in 2017, the Netherlands requested German A400Ms to supply and evacuate Sint Maarten. The SAC has only three C-17s, which is insufficient in case of a major disaster. Remem...

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by Noray
Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:05 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Netherlands C-130H replacement
Replies: 20
Views: 3163

Re: Netherlands C-130H replacement

In terms of range requirements, the Carribean countries of the Netherlands should play an important role. After Hurricane Irma in 2017, the Netherlands requested German A400Ms to supply and evacuate Sint Maarten. The SAC has only three C-17s, which is insufficient in case of a major disaster. There ...

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by Noray
Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:34 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 260
Views: 78230

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

I know the Americans provide this kind of data publicly. I would be stunned if the reason the Germans stopped is to avoid giving the Russians intel. Wouldn't you? Who said it's because of the Russians? I guess they're getting the data sooner than the German minister of defence ... "Potential e...

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by Noray
Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:46 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 260
Views: 78230

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

I'm not mocking. Not once. The problem is not the CH-53s. They get the same 25% readiness for A400s, Typhoons, submarines, etc. The problem is not the CH-53s. CH-53G is at the end of the bathtub curve . A400M was at the beginning of that curve. Typhoons and submarines: During the Bundeswehr reforms...

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by Noray
Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:47 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 260
Views: 78230

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

Why would the CH-53 have a parts problem? "This has changed over the last year. The USMC initiated a ‘reset’, aimed at bringing the aging CH-53Es back to full readiness. This means full depot level maintenance for every Sea Stallion, stripping them down the bones and building them back up agai...

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by Noray
Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:15 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: F-35B & KC-130 Mid Air
Replies: 28
Views: 5519

Re: F-35B & KC-130 Mid Air

They turned back to attempt a landing somewhere, yes. When they impacted the ground they were well into a stall. The hard impact caused the breakup and fire of the aircraft. The right wing never struck any of the power pylons...you just think that because you looked at a picture. Try researching it...

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by Noray
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:47 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Update Thread 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 17726

Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

The Airbus press release adds some more info on the state of the A400M program: The A400M recently achieved additional capabilities such as simultaneous paratrooper dispatch for a maximum of 116 paratroopers using the side doors, automatic low level flight in visual meteorological conditions (the on...

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by Noray
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:13 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Update Thread 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 17726

Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Luxemburg has received its only A400M, the first aircraft of a joint unit that will also comprise seven A400Ms ordered by Belgium.

Luxembourg welcomes lone A400M Atlas airlifter - Flightglobal

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by Noray
Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: F-35B & KC-130 Mid Air
Replies: 28
Views: 5519

Re: F-35B & KC-130 Mid Air

What always baffles me with these military transport crash-landings is the significant damage to the aircraft on landing. The KC-390 suffered major damage to gear and fuselage in a runway overrun. The A400M was completely destroyed while landing on a relatively flat, open field. This KC-130J either...

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by Noray
Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:54 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 260
Views: 78230

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

Seems the Germans are learning from the Chinese! :biggrin: No. What the German requirements aim at is independence from foreign made spare parts that may not be available in a conflict, and the ability to introduce their own modifications even without the manufacturer's support. Of course it would ...

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by Noray
Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:42 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 260
Views: 78230

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

This article (https://augengeradeaus.net/2020/09/zu-teuer-verteidigungsministerium-stoppt-vergabeverfahren-fuer-neuen-schweren-transporthubschrauber-neufassung/) suggests that the german government expected significant IP transfer Seems the Germans are learning from the Chinese! :biggrin: No. What ...

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by Noray
Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:03 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 260
Views: 78230

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

I think a Chinook fits in a A400M (you got to seperate the tail) a CH53 not. Advantageous for the Chinook I think. Way to make up a requirement... The current CH-53G does not fit in the A400M either. Obviously if transporting the heavy lift helicopter was a requirement it would have been written in...

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by Noray
Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:40 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Update Thread 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 17726

Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

A Bundeswehr release (in German) on the new Multinational Air Transport Unit (MNAU) adds two points: The unit is open for A400M operators from other nations. It's not just about military transport, but aerial refuelling as well. The A400M will soon be certified to refuel the Gripen . So the MNAU cou...

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by Noray
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:12 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Greece Getting 18 Rafales
Replies: 39
Views: 7448

Re: Greece Getting 18 Rafales

mxaxai wrote:
Honestly, they could. At the current low rates, plants in Germany, Spain and France have more than enough capacity to take over those workpackages.

It's not just about work hours. Intellectual property (parts developped by Turkey), work experience and contracts should play a role as well.

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by Noray
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:30 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Greece Getting 18 Rafales
Replies: 39
Views: 7448

Re: Greece Getting 18 Rafales

Ha why would France talk to Germany and the UK about selling Rafales? A better sign to Erdogan would be to cut off parts for the A400M and thereby stop Turkey running guns down to Libya with the aircraft… German companies have been criticized for supplying A400M parts to Turkey. The problem is that...

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by Noray
Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:56 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The C130 and CH47, obsolete proof ?
Replies: 42
Views: 5297

Re: The C130 and CH47, obsolete proof ?

It's easy and sometimes justifiable to cite the Military/Industrial Complex Eisenhower warned of, however in these cases the responses above highlight why. Interestingly, Donald Trump wants to punish Germany for its weak defense spending by moving US troops to other countries -- and moves them to c...

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by Noray
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:53 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A400M / TP400 (down between the) engines questions
Replies: 11
Views: 3132

Re: A400M / TP400 (down between the) engines questions

Can someone explain why DBE allows the horizontal stabilizer to be shrunk? I get why the vertical stabilizer can be smaller, since having 4 turboprops turning in the same rotational direction is akin to an out-of-alignment automobile that tends to turn slightly in one direction instead of moving st...

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by Noray
Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:43 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Update Thread 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 17726

Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

A Flightglobal piece about How A400M Atlas spanned the globe during coronavirus response The ongoing crisis in particular has marked a coming of age for the Airbus Defence & Space A400M, with counter-Covid-19 flights having been conducted by all its current operators: France, Germany, Malaysia, ...

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by Noray
Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:35 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Update Thread 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 17726

Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

At least two A400Ms have been at Gatwick this morning, with ZM419 on finals now, from Brize Norton. Is there an exercise underway? Pilot training, I guess. RAF Brize Norton usually announce these flights on their Twitter account . In this case they wrote: This am/pm, our A400M aircraft will be oper...

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by Noray
Thu May 28, 2020 11:24 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Update Thread 2020
Replies: 93
Views: 17726

Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

The certification of automatic low-level flight under visual meteorological conditions has now been achieved. Automatic low-level flight under instrument meteorological conditions is expected to be certified in the second quarter of 2021. A400M wins certification for automatic low-level flight Inher...

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by Noray
Mon May 11, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Dumps MQ-4C Triton drones for Bombardier Global 6000's
Replies: 17
Views: 3853

Re: Germany Dumps MQ-4C Triton drones for Bombardier Global 6000's

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mxaxai wrote:

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by Noray
Fri May 08, 2020 7:32 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Spanish Air Force A400M damaged following a bird strike
Replies: 4
Views: 2329

Re: Spanish Air Force A400M damaged following a bird strike

Here it says it was at landing. https://defence-blog.com/news/spanish-a400m-atlas-suffers-bird-strike-while-landing.html They say "according to the Breaking Aviation News". But all the Twitter account Breaking Aviation News actually says is "Spanish Air Force A400M damaged following ...

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by Noray
Fri May 08, 2020 6:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Berlin Tegel (TXL) to Remain open until end of October at least
Replies: 99
Views: 17656

Re: Berlin Tegel (TXL) to Close from June 1

Here's an aspect no one has thus far mentioned: is it safe to be in this new terminal? Given the multitude of items that were such a disaster from the design phase of the airport, and given how numerous the MAJOR items to be fixed were, and given how long the building sat empty while seemingly no o...

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by Noray
Fri May 08, 2020 6:10 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Spanish Air Force A400M damaged following a bird strike
Replies: 4
Views: 2329

Re: Spanish Air Force A400M damaged following a bird strike

According to this Spanish news report, the aircraft was hit by a vulture during takeoff in Zaragoza. Remains of the bird were found inside the sponson. The military hope that repair won't take more than a few days.

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by Noray
Fri May 08, 2020 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Berlin Tegel (TXL) to Remain open until end of October at least
Replies: 99
Views: 17656

Re: Berlin Tegel (TXL) to Close from June 1

Here's an aspect no one has thus far mentioned: is it safe to be in this new terminal? Given the multitude of items that were such a disaster from the design phase of the airport, and given how numerous the MAJOR items to be fixed were, and given how long the building sat empty while seemingly no o...

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