[photoid][/photoid] A hey guy you state Swoop when title is Flair... He was referencing the other "ULCCs" in Canada. Swoop (WS) keeping their ground and growing, Tim Morgan at Enerjet attempting Indigo financing and Jetlines, which is officially now paying for 2 A319s that they can give ta...Jump to post
Flair is arguing that, due to the Max-8 grounding, their wet-lease partner Smartwings has pulled some clause in the contract requiring their aircraft return back to recover Smartwings lost flying. Seems somewhat of an odd clause to have, and what does that leave Flair, their aged fleet of -400s? Unt...Jump to post
I guess this would mostly rely on connections? Can't really see a demand between Toronto and Muskoka when the drive takes roughly two hours. Although something might escape me, only looking at it from afar... The drive can easily be double that on long weekends. Perhaps there will be some connectin...Jump to post
The Canadian dollar is going to be the biggest thing that dictates the 763 and 788 in the winter season. I agree, seeing the 763s out of YYZ to do Caribbean flying and maybe some MCO/FLL. Would be increased competition to what the capacity Rouge puts on those routes (and has the fleet flexibility). ...Jump to post
I want to buy VDB and YVR tech stop futures on YEG-HNL. Heavy winter winds will make me wealthy. AC operated the 738M from YYC this past season, at 80 miles less in length. And WS has operated the 738M from YYC-HNL/OGG in the past as well. The Q400 reduction is slightly surprising but eludes to wha...Jump to post
BTW, do WS staff above-the-wing handle Swoops or is that contracted out to a vendor?
Contracted. On a Friday, WS staff were welcoming guests YEG-YXX. Saturday, contractors were at the same gate to welcome Swoop (Tango level fare) customers YEG-YXX. And this was a legacy route.
My understanding is they are taking the approach of cycling them through the paint shop when Type B/C checks are due. MRO's in Canada and U.S. are rather busy these days, which may explain a partial delay to the 737NG repaint. Q400s are pretty new and would be surprised if they aren't the last to ge...Jump to post
I don't think that this assessment is fair. WS has the Business Class cabin because they are going for the premium market. They've kept those cabins small in order to lower the risk of that. This video still focuses on their core customer (leisure flyers), without driving away corporate flyers. Bus...Jump to post
You can write this off as an emotional post. Whatever. But I think there is a small minority in this thread who have their priorities massively wrong. You're not wrong, and your post is rational. There is a subset of users here who love airplanes (not aviation, airplanes ) pathologically. One poste...Jump to post
flight152 wrote:Swoop? Flair? I think we should thank the Canadians for coming up with the dumbest sounding airline names.
Enerjet (and their new commercial name) will come out the winner in this 4-legged race. Swoop is WS's version of Zip and Tango. A marketing tool to benefit the overall corporation and shareholders profitability. It will most likely cease once the commercial benefit cedes. . If you want to make that...Jump to post
Not too sure where anyone heard about YQB? Maybe you're thinking of the pipe dream of an airline Jetlines, which is spending investors money via an IPO much to the tunes of Baltia in the U.S. Enerjet (and their new commercial name) will come out the winner in this 4-legged race. Swoop is WS's versio...Jump to post
AA's market in, at least Western Canada, can be attributed to the HP/US/AA merger. Back in the 2000s, AA only operated DFW-YYC and LAX/DFW-YVR. HP meanwhile was operating YEG/YYC/YVR-LAX/LAS-PHX and, depending on the economy, were multiple departures a day. I never understood Flair's Florida thinkin...Jump to post
And it begins...not surprising given that some of the routes were ridiculous to begin with, and most recently some flights have been consolidated via other cities. This airline is running on fumes. Buyer beware.. Flair Airlines suspending flights to Florida, Palm Springs: ‘Expect the unexpected http...Jump to post
Was YVR Western's only Canadian destination? Or did they ever serve YYC or YEG?
Seem to recall the only write off of one their "Spaceships" was the landing accident in MEX.
Crazy to think what was then served with w/ a DC10 widebody is now served with a Q400! (SEA-PDX).
Not to be that guy, but can we edit the title? The way it's written sounds like a killing contractor was exploded by a LA jet bridge.Jump to post
KF tends to service smaller air carriers (and particularly specializes in 727/737/757/767, CV580 and MD80 series). Their biggest customer to date is most likely WestJet. They also serve many smaller domestic carriers who fly 737s. At one point NWA would send their 757s to YLW for their winglet insta...Jump to post
WS started in 1996 (sort of technically '95) with almost $30 million CAD in the bank AND they owned their first 3 B732s. They flew between 2 provinces and to airports where AIF's were just slowly being introduced, and at the time, a meager $5pp. Jetlines wants to fly internationally from the get go,...Jump to post
I'll sit back and wait for longhauler and Jimbo to duke it out :-) On the domestic side of things, AC has announced YQT-YYZ will move from QK (AC Express, Q400) to Rouge A319 service starting this Spring. 6 flights at 74 seats to 3 flights at 136 seats and saving 20m flying time to YYZ. Another move...Jump to post
Congrats to Barry, Tracy and the rest of the KF team on their continued success! Crazy to think this little OK Valley business that started out of a wine cellar at YLW has organically grown to what it is today. The tenure of many of their employees alone speaks volumes as to the type of company they...Jump to post
I wonder if they have even begun to wonder why Porter has never bothered with YHU to YTZ flights? If there was ever a demand from YHU, to the GTA, it’d be to Toronto Island. YHU to YHM? Good luck with that. That's a good point. If there was ever reasonable commercial validation, PD could have easil...Jump to post
A few items to note: 1.) An airline goes far beyond branding. If you follow this airline at all, you will appreciate how dismal their customer service and overall operation has been. Examples include: marketing focused on social media, yet lack social media support. Contracting out every possible po...Jump to post
Sort of reminds me of the old British airline, "Go-Fly". I don't understand what the dot represents? Their marketing video does little to explain why they've chosen the colors and brand that they did. They just repeat they are starting over (again) and focusing on customer service and repe...Jump to post
See what? WS can't sustain year-round YUL-YYC/YVR/YEG service so what makes you think Jetlines can win with YHU-YVR? They will have 2 airframes to start. Probably a good idea they put them on routes that will extract the highest premiums. YHU is not one of those nor is anything in QC. Their new (and...Jump to post
A new livery and branding is not going to solve any of their problems. Yes, it gives them some positive(?) publicity for a few days and perhaps the perception of a fresh new airline. Unfortunately, the little $$ they have needs to be spent on maturing their markets instead of throwing darts on the m...Jump to post
Doesn't appear they are doing so well in turning around their customer service experience. Apart from their fleet issues, a huge impact is the limitations of their I.T. system. If you read some of the reviews, there is a clear disconnect, lack of I.T infrastructure and/or funding that is needed for ...Jump to post
Solely a commercial decision on the part of AC. They are stream lining their express/regional services. If I'm not mistaken, they dropped EVAS and the B1900s awhile back and more recently axed all B1900 flying East of Alberta. The pilots at Georgian are the real winners here. They are eligible to ke...Jump to post
Ugh... Although I respect jimbo (sometimes it's hard), and almost everyone on here, I don't enjoy breaking out 3 new tabs to decipher this argument. I do find it slightly humorous that a pilot (whom I have nothing but the utmost respect for), provides more facts than someone with your background, ji...Jump to post
Swoops network avoids overlapping WS’s network, and focuses, generally speaking, on lower cost airports, few as they are, in Canada. Claiming to be “low cost” and operating out of YVR, YUL, YOW, YYC, YYZ etc is an oxymoron. Swoop has taken flying away from WS. Find it slightly odd from someone who ...Jump to post
Nice to see the expanded route network. I cannot imagine YEG-OAK lasting beyond the summer. YEG has a very hard time keeping transborder service, and with the economy, will be a very hard to to support. Also, OAK in the summer? And the Bay area in general is not cheap once you get there. Interesting...Jump to post
I find Air Canada is quite open to suggestions from its frequent flyers about meal choices. If you send them your comments, you will defintely get a response. It is interesting you mention breakfast, as I always seem to see the same hot casserole. The omelet you mention or maple waffles. Other than...Jump to post
You have to listen and watch at least 2 full-length adverts on AC J class before getting your free entertainment. Much like YouTube, I simply mute or ignore, so if companies are willing to pay - good on Sun Country for trying to increase profits / stem losses.Jump to post
To think what the original CR2 did for aviation - specifically in North America, and now to see this. I can still remember the joy the Comair fliers expressed when Comair went to "all Jet". We all remember how some fliers wanted nothing to do with the turbo-props (not me) so when Comair w...Jump to post
Good read, and although aware of their international ownership, was somewhat shocking to see the percentages side by side. A far cry from what's allowed here (even with the temporary 50% foreign ownership approval by the government). 20 years ago you could fly AC or CP YEG-YVR and get a breakfast me...Jump to post
Perhaps spill some SEA/YVR/YYJ feed to help support an A359? DL has started to create itself a small problem. Support a LAX hub which can support whatever, while building a SEA hub which dilutes connections and demand from SLC. While SEA can perhaps support a B764 to Asia, SLC would need to demand t...Jump to post
Although potentially too soon to tell the lasting effects of this, am curious if there's been any short-term affect so far on YVR traffic? Their vision is to become a connecting hub between Asia and South America, and with Chinese Executives getting arrested in-transit at the behest of U.S. official...Jump to post
Like you said, introductory fares. WS has a long and hard battle ahead of them. They didn't get those 787s for the same price as AC, and their labour costs are creeping up there. Business people in Canada quite frankly simply prefer AC or even PD before WS - for now, and the last +12 years. It will ...Jump to post
At company HQ as of now.. A snowy welcome to YYC but nonetheless a pretty remarkable date to mark for the airline. Wish WS nothing but success with their new toy..
That said, flying YYC-CDG/LGW won't pay for them, but I'm sure they'll find a way
Am a regular flyer on AC but I have to admit am getting a bit tired of their J-class meal offerings on domestic runs. I honestly feel likes its been 10 years with the only option being their parsley omelet or maple pancakes. Is it just me and the routes I'm taking? Anyone at AC know why they would s...Jump to post
To think what the original CR2 did for aviation - specifically in North America, and now to see this. Wrecked former turboprop routes, leaving many communities disconnected and discouraged further development of sub-30-seat props as they weren't sexy enough? I'll be glad to see the back of the CRJ,...Jump to post
These news announcements seem purely to keep spinning the news media cycle... and keep what few potential investors there still are, slightly interested. Seriously, what airline, with no aircraft for 5 years+ goes on about deals they've made with airports (YXX,YHM,YHZ,YHU). They've posted countless ...Jump to post
To think what the original CR2 did for aviation - specifically in North America, and now to see this. In the last year or so, BBD has been pretty adamant where they want to be in the market - and it's not commercial aviation. The CRJ could have a much longer lifespan (still can) if the program was g...Jump to post
That Encore upgauge ends at the end of February. Albeit in the future there is an opportunity to up gauge to any Link operated route, this gauge change was due to crewing and equipment scheduling. If YQL could support a Q400, AC would have easily placed it on the market earlier. It doesn't and they ...Jump to post
YEG-SEA has lost a lot of it's connection potential (Hawaii, SoCal, LAS, PHX) over the years as WS and AC have grown their YVR/YYC/YEG-Transborder routes. In fact, coupled with the economy and poor CAD$, all U.S. carriers serving YEG have slowly been reducing service and/or capacity. It's as cyclica...Jump to post
It takes new Airlines years to turn a profit normally and Flair in Canada isn't any different. They are going thru some growing pains, but if they stay the course and build up their Network and long term investments in themselves, they can become a solid airline and a solid product. Flair is not a ...Jump to post
According to their CEO, the airline lost $10 million during their summer months, which they touted as being at a 90% load factor and an "excellent summer".
Opined by their own lawyer in a national newspaper: When unions aren't necessarily the best support for employees In the case of Flair Airlines, the company gave union members improvements and new workers competitive wages. But CUPE wants them to strike: Howard Levitt https://business.financialpost....Jump to post